BS: KKK/Tea Party Day

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:23 PM

Metaphors are obviously just that, Saws... You are really stretching...

Also stretching is taking one or tweo nutballs who hated Bush...

That is a cop-out, Saws and not justification for an entire movement to use "2nd ammendment remedies" as part of their platform...

Not a debate coach/judge in the world would give you points for those arguments to justify the millions of people who have been brainwashed into believing that 2nd ammendment remedies are just fine...

Another bogus Saws argument shot down...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM

Black Tea Party Candidate Says Illinois Democrats are Racist

Cedra Crenshaw, a Republican supporter of the Tea Party, is running for Illinois state Senate for the 43rd District. But her candidacy was challenged on a technicality - Crenshaw's outdated nominating petition forms stated signatures could be collected no earlier than 90 days before the filing deadline, but a new law mandates signatures can be collected no earlier than 75 days before the deadline.

The Will County Electoral Board voted 2-to-1 down party lines to remove her from the ballot, a move that Crenshaw said was racist on the part of the Democrats.

"In essence, they are trying to disenfranchise the voters of the 43rd district," Crenshaw said in a radio podcast. "This goes far beyond me. The Will County Board of Elections waited over six weeks to render this decision on a technicality."

Crenshaw is running in an attempt to unseat Democratic state Sen. A.J. Wilhemi. She is appealing the board's decision and a judge will hear arguments Tuesday.

Speculation about whether racism is actually the root of the issue continues to fly back and forth. Crenshaw's supporters say Democrats don't want to see the black stay-at-home mom succeed; others who disagree with the racism claim say it's simply because Crenshaw is a Republican, not because she is black.

Since July 1, campaign committees controlled by Democrats gave $447,769 to Sen. A.J. Wilhelmi, who's worried about losing his normally safe 43rd District seat to Republican Cedra Crenshaw, a tea party favorite. Republican committees have given Crenshaw $122,789 in the same period.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 02:13 PM

PRINCETON, NJ -- Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large.

That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM

Goon squads are as old as the hills.
GOONS are usually armed which is in direct proportion to their courage. The more cowardly a goon is the more likely they will kill someone.

It is fundamentally wrong to use goon squads but this is what the right accepts as being strong, committed and patriotic.

I knew a goon who joked about the sounds his victim made when he fatally shot black kids who would hide under cars. WHile he is no longer a DC policemen. He will always be a goon. Was he warped by serving in Viet Nam? Sure, but I believe he was goon material before he was sent there.

Is he a terrorist? Not by the language I used for 50 years.
We had a special section in hell for "mad bombers".

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 11:34 AM

"Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism... "

Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"

Uno Hoo "buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them" "the logical thinkin' is that the left better get armed.... And fast!!! Seems the only out now is revolution."

Crazed killer lefty: "I am here to kill Bush, shoot me"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 10:35 AM

Excerpted from: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?_r=1&hp
(emphasis mine)


What made the Tea Party most useful was that its loud populist message gave the G.O.P. just the cover it needed both to camouflage its corporate patrons and to rebrand itself as a party miraculously antithetical to the G.O.P. that gave us George W. Bush and record deficits only yesterday.

Rupert Murdoch's Fox News and Wall Street Journal have been arduous in promoting and inflating Tea Party events and celebrities to this propagandistic end. The more the Tea Party looks as if it's calling the shots in the G.O.P., the easier it is to distract attention from those who are actually calling them — namely, those who've cashed in and cashed out as ordinary Americans lost their jobs, homes and 401(k)'s. Typical of this smokescreen is a new book titled "Mad as Hell," published this fall by a Murdoch imprint. In it, the pollsters Scott Rasmussen and Douglas Schoen make the case, as they recently put it in Politico, that the Tea Party is "the most powerful and potent force in America."

They are expert at producing poll numbers to bear that out. By counting those with friends and family in the movement, Rasmussen has calculated that 29 percent of Americans are "tied to" the Tea Party. (If you factor in six degrees of Kevin Bacon, the number would surely double.) But cooler empirical data reveal the truth known by the G.O.P. establishment: An August CNN poll found that 2 percent of Americans consider themselves active members of the Tea Party.

That result was confirmed last weekend by The Washington Post, which published the fruits of its months-long effort to contact every Tea Party group in the country. To this end, it enlisted the help of Tea Party Patriots, the only Tea Party umbrella group that actually can claim to be a spontaneous, bottom-up, grass roots organization rather than a front for the same old fat cats of the Republican right, from the Koch brothers to Dick Armey's FreedomWorks. Tea Party Patriots has claimed anywhere from 2,300 to nearly 3,000 local affiliates, but even with its assistance, The Post could verify a total of only 647 Tea Party groups nationwide. Most had fewer than 50 members. The median amount of money each group had raised in 2010 was $800.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 10:25 AM

TeaBagger Sharron Angle's Racist Ads:

One article of many here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44246.html

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:30 PM

Exactly, strings... Threatening to shoot people who don't agree with you is terrorism...

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:13 PM

The element of racism is at the core of a group of people who fear the election of an African-American president. It may not be overt so that you'd recognize it but "god, guns and gays" are a big part of the movement.

Libertarians are basically befuddled because the decry government unless it is run by corporations (which today it practically is). The Tea Party shoots itself in the foot because rank and file American citizens are going to be screwed by oligarchic plutocrats and a new corporatocracy that wants to privatize everything such as wars, prisons, education and deregulate everything that helps the wealthy and not the poor.

I have no doubt that the militia movement, gun-toting hot heads and the KKK are involved in the Tea Party though many of its members may not be but they haven't a clue about what they really want. They are being lead by the nose with loud-mouthed pundits such as Palin, Armey and behind the scenes by the Koch Brothers.

"Second Amendment Remedies" is no way to run a government. There are "terrorists"
in the Tea Party.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:46 PM

Sorry, Sawz, but I ain't a member of the, ahhhhh, Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement these days... Man, when they jacked the dues to $35 that was it fir this ol' hillbilly... They said they was gonna quit sending out their newsletter but its been a couple years now an' I'm still gettin' 'um???

$35??? No way... Maybe publish a sexy pic of Mrs Sarah in the centerfold then call me an' we'll talk... Volvo station wagens ain't all that cool...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:22 PM

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) said Monday that it will donate money it had received from a man charged with threatening to kill a top Republican.

A DNC official said it was researching contributions made by Norman Leboon, a Philadelphia man charged Monday with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and donate any money he had donated to charity.

"We are researching the matter, and any donations made to the DNC or the Obama campaign by Mr. Leboon will be donated to charity," a DNC official said.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:42 PM

Bobert's people:

The Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement is calling on all radicals. anarchists and communists, Mexican and Black nationalists, Third Worldists and Indigenists, students, social critics and anti-racists to come out and oppose this vile, hateful message [that being the message the tea party crashers have injected] in the midst of the Tea Party Movement. Bring signs, bullhorns, props, a hat and sunglasses, etc. Cut loose and let these racist crackers know they are opposed.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:25 PM

Obama makes a speech and gets 20 seconds, if he's lucky, on the 7:00 news... Compare that with the 35 or so attack ads against ther Dems in the same evening on that smae channle and at the end of the night the Repubs are ahead 700 to 20... How much more media do you think your guys deserve, bruce???

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:37 AM

"overt propaganda going out over the publocly owned airwaves"



Like Obama's VERY partisan speeches.

Or are you sayoing that "Some animals are more equal than others."?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM

No, bruce, I would require that broadcaters folow the spirit of the broadcasting laws that go back to the 1920s when we fully understood that a free country doesn't provide room for overt propaganda going out over the publocly owned airwaves...

But nevermind those American values and traditions if you and yer buds can game the system that favors getting yer crooks elected... Seems that is waht you are interested in rather than protecting tha airwaves for US all...

Normal Repub thinking tho... Ya'll also don't like the federal government being used to protect out air, or land or our drinking water if it inconiences Boss Hog's mean to gouging even more wealth for himself at the expense of everyone else... Must be nice to be in that upper 5% where you think everything is out there for you to ruin...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:08 AM

Bobert looks down his nose at the red***k Nascar drivers buuut:

From felon to hero to champion to legend to NASCAR Hall of Fame inductee.

That's a quick-hit description of Junior Johnson's remarkable ride through life, a ride to be celebrated justly when he becomes one of the five inaugural inductees into the NASCAR Hall of Fame on May 23.

First off, let's get the felon thing out of the way. Johnson was arrested some years back for his role in a moonshining [ummm Moonshine Bobert, gettin' thirsty?] operation. He served 11 months in prison in 1956. Thirty years later, President Ronald Reagan, perhaps unaware that Johnson was a lifelong Democrat, laid a presidential pardon on old Joonyer No matter your political leanings, that was one good deal. [The gipper had social compassion on the wayward Democrat Redn**k]

In between, in 1965, Johnson was the subject of an epic Esquire Magazine piece by famed author Thomas Wolfe. It called Johnson the "last American hero". A year later, the hero retired from a fine driving career, and went on to become even more successful as a car owner, as his drivers won three NASCAR Sprint Cup championships. He retired as an owner in 1995.

And since, he has remained famous for being, well, Junior Johnson. He also has remained immensely popular with fans and media. Always approachable and always quotable, Johnson's old-school homespun wisdom shines through in virtually every conversation or interview. To listen to him is captivating, as if a history book has come to life right before your eyes.

Now 78 years old, Johnson is involved in a legitimate moonshine venture Best shine ever, he says He also serves as an unofficial [J D Boss Hogg] NASCAR ambassador, popping up here and there at a race track during the season, once again charming everyone he meets.

Accordin to Bobert,"there's redn**ks and then there is the rest of us"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:56 PM

"following the spirit of our laws..."

Including the laws against Moonshine and pot?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:03 AM

"No more using yours and my "punlicly owned airwaves" to spread overt propaganda...
"

What??!! You mean you would prohibit all further Obama speeches???

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:39 AM

Oh yeah, Donuel...

FOX + Boss Hog's secret $$$ = Tea Party...

If I were Obama the first thing I would do after the election is have the Justice Department investigate FOX for violating FCC rules and when found guilty then bust 'um down to a cable only network... No more using yours and my "punlicly owned airwaves" to spread overt propaganda...

That would be a good first step that isn't about 1st Ammendment rights at all but about fairness and following the spirit of our laws...

B~

Subject: Who created the tea party
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:31 AM

Once the Republican brand was destroyed by Bush Cheney torture and Henry Paulson's bank robbery, a new party was needed for a transition to keep the reactionary base that was groomed for decades.

Heritage FOundation, Boldman Sachs FOX and others including DOD folks new a new party was needed.

Dick Army was just a Lobbiest who had a firm to get some of the first gigs going.

It would have been impossible without FOX

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/teacreation.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:09 AM

Well, that's exactly what I'm talkin' about... Heck, most of the progressives I know go back to my Green Party days so they wouldn't exactly have to resign from somethin' they never belonged to in the first place...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:50 PM

Democrat Jason Bauer resigns amid allegations about role in Tea Party

Jason Bauer, former Director of Operations for the Oakland County Democratic Party has tendered his resignation amid allegations about his role in The Tea Party.

A slate of candidates was provided to Oakland County Clerk Ruth Johnson, a candidate for the Republican Party's nomination for Secretary of State, for the November general election.

Johnson's office later discovered two of the candidates were under-aged and one was a resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and had no desire to be a candidate in Michigan.

Bauer had notorized the documents for the candidates, which at least one candidate says he did not sign.

According to the Oakland County Democratic Party (OCDP), "Upon first learning of allegations against one of the organization's staff members, the county party's Executive Board immediately called for a meeting."

"The board swiftly acted to request and accept Jason Bauer's resignation from employment. We are saddened by this situation, but cannot condone his alleged actions. For the sake of the organization, we must part ways effective immediately."

OCDP says they had no role in the situation which would mean that Bauer was acting on his own outside of the party.

The Michigan State Elections Board, on a two to two vote, refused to certify "The Tea Party". A representative for The Tea Party says they will appeal the decision.

Bauer could face charges for improper use of his Notary license.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:02 PM

You'll love this one, Sawz...

I knida been thinkin' about the Tea Party and seems to me that with independent chapters all over the country that folks like me could just get together and attend their local chapter's meetings... I mean, we do have one thing in common with the Tea Party in that both sides see a broken government... Hey, it's a start...

Way I see it is that most Tea Partiers are so undereducated and illinformed about stuff that it'd only take a handfull of us "elitists" (lol) folks who understand stuff to turn the Tea Party around, one chapter at a time...

I mean, yeah, lotta of these folks is rednecks but they the older ones who still remember rooting fir the likes of Cal Yarborurugh and Lee Petty and Fireball Roberts... Hey, lotta us "elitist" remember them good ol' boys, too... That was before NASCAR decided that it was America's sport...

Now the rub is gonna come to those fond memories of the Klan but, hey, most of the current Tea Partiers weren't old enought to be like real lynch mobers... Their daddies and grand daddies??? Different story but...

Now I ain't sayin' that this is what I'm gonna do or ain't gonna do but it is somethin' that has been in my mind lately... I mean, the Republican Party certainly ain't out to protect these il-informed folk's interests, that is fir sure... I mean, if the Tea Partiers actually had to sit down and learn what the federal government does every day of the year and then have to say what they thought the federal government shouldn't be doing then I'd wager that many would figure out that what the Repubs want is counterproductive to the interest of most Tea Partiers...

I donno...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:42 AM

crashtheteaparty.org , The now defunct site had said it was part of a national movement to "dismantle and demolish the tea party by any nonviolent means necessary."

The site encouraged people to infiltrate the tea party, then misspell protest signs, make wild claims during interviews and perform other public actions that would damage the public's opinion of the tea party.

From Jason Levin's MySpace page:

"As a black lesbian trapped in the body of a straight white man, I am able to pass as a member of the establishment wile still maintaining my oneness with the spirit of the Earf Muvah. I'm currently being sued by my inner child for molestation...but trust me, the charges are baseless."
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Beaverton's 'Crash the Tea Party' teacher resigns as his dismissal loomed

Beaverton middle school teacher Jason Levin, who founded the now notorious "Crash the Tea Party" website, is no longer a teacher. Levin resigned Wednesday in lieu of termination, said Beaverton School District Legal Counsel Camellia Osterink.

District officials would not say why Levin was facing dismissal, but that it followed an internal investigation into his use of public resources and time spent at school.

"There was some question whether that conduct occurred during the work day," Osterink said of Levin's work on the website.

Reached today, Levin said, "My attorney has advised me not to comment."

His attorney, Adam Arms of Portland, could not be immediately reached.

Levin, a media lab technology teacher at Conestoga Middle School, drew international attention last spring after creating crashtheteaparty.org. The now defunct site had said it was part of a national movement to "dismantle and demolish the tea party by any nonviolent means necessary."

The site encouraged people to infiltrate the tea party, then misspell protest signs, make wild claims during interviews and perform other public actions that would damage the public's opinion of the tea party.

Hundreds of e-mails and calls streamed into the district in April from as far away as Chile, some calling for Levin's removal and questioning his fitness to teach. District spokeswoman Maureen Wheeler said at the time that Levin's political views were not part of the investigation.

District officials placed Levin on paid administrative leave in mid-April but returned him to the classroom about two weeks later after determining he was not a threat to students, said Sue Robertson, chief human resources officer.

But the investigation continued and concluded the week before school let out for the summer with a recommendation to dismiss Levin, Robertson said. He was placed on paid administrative leave for the final week of classes.

The school board planned to consider his dismissal on Wednesday when they received word that he had resigned. Levin, who has a master's degree in instructional technology education, had just finished his third year with the district.

It's not over for Levin yet. The Teacher Standards and Practices Commission, which oversees teacher licensing, is continuing its investigation into possible neglect of duty, said Melody Hanson, director of professional practices.

Despite his resignation, the agency can revoke or suspend his license, issue a public reprimand or keep him from reapplying for a license in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM

Good one, Donuel...

You still need to hook up with my friend Michael... Ya'll is like two peas in a pod...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 02:10 PM

There is going to be a lot of republican celebrations

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:33 AM

If you have answered it, perhaps you can direct me to it Bobert.

I can't find anybody that has seen it. Are we all blind?

It is not about sides Bobert. It is not about how many are on your side and how many are on the other side.

It is about right and wrong.

But it seems that you want to choose up sides and fight rather than acknowledge the facts.

Now back to Facts, as painful as they are for you.

How many of those "white people" who "hate President Obama" voted for him?

The independent Quinnipiac University poll finds:

By a 28 - 23 percent margin, American voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party, with 49 percent who say they don't know enough about the group to form an opinion.

American voter opinion of the Democratic Party is 48 - 33 unfavorable, with opinion of the Republican Party 42 - 33 percent unfavorable.

While 70 percent of all voters are "somewhat dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with the way things are going in America today, 92 percent of Tea Party members are dissatisfied.

Government does too many things better left to businesses and individuals, 54 percent of all voters say, while 42 percent say government is not doing enough. Tea Party members say 83 - 15 percent that government is doing too much.

"The Tea Party movement is mostly made up of people who consider themselves Republicans," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

Looking at voters who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement:

    * 74 percent are Republicans or independent voters leaning Republican;
    * 16 percent are Democrats or independent voters leaning Democratic;
    * 5 percent are solidly independent;
    * 45 percent are men;
    * 55 percent are women;
    * 88 percent are white;
    * 77 percent voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008;
    * 15 percent voted for President Barack Obama.

Ouch!

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 07:24 PM

Fisr of all, fuck off, Sawz... I've answered you stupid 3rd grader question... Maybe if you get thru 3rd grade this year you'll get it 'cause it ain't rocket surgery... Might of fact, your 3rd grade questions are getting real boring to everyone here but you... And maybe the 2 or three buds you have here...

As for you, GfinS... You don't know shit about growing up and living in the South... I'd guess you never seen a real live Klan rally... Bet you never seen a black church burned to the ground... Bet you don't know anyone who has had a cross burned in their yard... So...

...quit talkin' about stuff that obviously ain't qualified to talk about... Come live where I live for a couple years and then you'll have at least a primer course in racism...

B~
B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 05:01 PM

Here is an organization that believes in freedom of speech - for them selves anyway

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 12:07 PM

5 Tips On Infiltrating The National Tea Party Convention 2/4-2/6


The National Tea Party Convention is taking place February 4th- 6th at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville.

Man, I'd give my whole entire collection of Obama=Hitler signs to infiltrate this event.

INFILTRATION TIP #1: Find a local chapter of the Tea Party Patriots. Email to say you're interested in joining. Get a few emails going back-and-forth.(Easy to do because most of the leaders are old people with way too much free time on their hands.) Bring up the topic of the National Tea Party Convention and mention you have an interest in attending. Register for the event with their stamp of approval. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #2: Find a few names of Tea Party leaders who are attending the event through their individual websites. Get to the convention early and check-in under their names. Those of you in San Francisco can obtain fake ID's on Mission Street. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP 3: See if there's anyway to become a volunteer at the convention. A lot of these events run on volunteers. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #4: Book a room at the Opryland Hotel. Arrive a day early. Note where all employee entrances and exits to various conference rooms. Dress in the employee uniform with a change of clothes underneath. Enjoy the convention!

INFILTRATION TIP #5: Try to snap a photo of an attendee's convention badge. Create a reproduction in Photoshop and laminate the fake badge at Kinko's. Enjoy the convention!

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 10:29 AM

"A new report, backed by the NAACP, has found what it says are efforts by white nationalist groups and militias to link themselves to the tea party movement, even as some tea party leaders have expelled members who have expressed racist sentiment.

The report, called Tea Party Nationalism, uses news articles, visits to white nationalist Web sites and observance of tea party functions to claim that tea party events have become a forum for extremists "hoping to push these (white) protesters toward a more self-conscious and ideological white supremacy."

Its findings cite that members of groups such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, which opposes all efforts to "mix the races of mankind," have become involved in tea party chapters, and that posters on the online white nationalist Web site Stormfront.org have written of "inflitrating" tea party events.

The report was issued by the Kansas City, Mo.-based Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is funded, in part, by the liberal Firedoll Foundation. The paper was authored by Devin Burghart and Leonard Zeskind, both of whom have written widely about white nationalism."

WaPo

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 01:43 AM

KKK/Tea Party Day..is horseshit. It's just another way the 'left' has to smear something they can't grasp!!....or don't like, because they don't have the brain capacity for understanding ANOTHER point of view!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:09 PM

"the rest of us have the right to call them the racists and rednecks that they are"

There's the racist Redn**ks and then there is the rest of us.

Is this the rest of us Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 05:19 PM

I still haven't seen Boberts definition of truth.

Has anybody seen it?

"racist/sexist/ethnocentristicist comments":

"a band of white people"

"The redn**ks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits"

"a bunch of white people"

"Makes me want to puke... Heritage, my butt... Rednecks..."

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:41 AM

Don't know, Roboz... Having grown up in the South and also part of the civil rights movement I have learned about "the code"... Yeah, the KKKers are still very much with US but they have codified their racism... Lotta folks are clueless about it but we are starting to see just how it is done with several Repub/Tea Party candidates usin' code at their rallies with the appropriate laughter from the peanut gallery/lynch mobs...

Of course, when confronted, they deny it and say some really stupid stuff like, Some of my best friends are _______________ as if that lets them off the hook... I mean, the closer we get to this election the more brazen these folks are with their thinly veiled racist/sexist/ethnocentristicist comments...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:47 PM

NBC Reporter To Black Man At Tea Party: "Have You Ever Felt Uncomfortable?"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:18 PM

Myth-busting polls: Tea Party members are average Americans, 41% are Democrats, independents

For upwards of 12 months now members of the so-called Tea Party protest movement have been stereotyped, derogated and often dismissed by some politicians and media outlets.

They've been portrayed variously as angry fringe elements, often inarticulate, potentially violent and merely Republicans in sheep's clothing or disgruntled pockets of conservatives blindly lashing out at a left-handed President Obama and the same side of his Democratic Party finally getting its chance to drive home a liberal agenda after eight years of Republican rule and six under a centrist Bill Clinton.

Alas for stereotypes, they're convenient, often catchy. But not necessarily true.

Now, comes a pair of polls, including Gallup, that paint a revealing detailed portrait of Tea Party supporters in most ways as pretty average Americans. A Sunday poll -- actually three national phone surveys of 1,000 registered voters -- found that 17% of all polled, or more than 500, called themselves "part of the Tea Party movement."

"It's a good sample size," David Winston, polling director of the Winston Group that did the poll for an education advocacy group, told the Ballot Box blog of The Hill newspaper.

The Tea Party adherents broke down 28% independent, 17% Democrat and only 57% Republican. Not coincidentally, this bipartisan breakdown has been the way that Tea Party favorite Sarah Palin has often described movement members as "commonsense Americans" worried and....

...angered by the over-reaching one-party control of Democrats in Washington these last 15 months, rooted initially in opposition to Obama's $787 billion government economic stimulus package.

A new Gallup Poll out this morning of 1,033 finds nothing fringe about self-proclaimed Tea Party adherents; they are slightly more likely to be employed, male and definitely more conservative. But otherwise Gallup's Lydia Saad writes, "their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large."

While economic issues like stubbornly high unemployment rates and declining home values cause widespread worries, Winston found top issues among the self-identified Tea Party followers are jobs/the economy and the exploding federal deficit. A whopping 95% told pollsters that Washington "Democrats are taxing, spending and borrowing too much."

Fully 87% told Gallup they oppose Obama's healthcare legislation.

The Winston poll says 80% of total Tea Party supporters dislike Obama's job performance, a higher negative rate even than the 77% of Republicans who disapprove of the ex-state senator's White House work.

They are, of course, only two polls and a long time politically until November. Given a widespread anti-incumbent environment, some GOP members of Congress might also pay a price come Nov. 2.

While the inconvenient polls may make media generalizers uncomfortable, it could also discomfit both major parties just seven months out from those crucial midterm elections. Congressional Republicans fare awfully in Tea Party minds, too, despite rhetorical efforts to catch up with the movement at times.

And if a sizable chunk of Obama's own party base crumbles away, as it did in 2009 gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey and in the January special Senate election in Massachusetts over healthcare, Nancy Pelosi could soon join the ranks of ex-House speakers. A change of only 40 House seats would shift control to the GOP.

The counter-intuitive good news for Obama in all that is that a Republican House would give him a handy target for any blame in his anticipated 2012 re-election bid, something he wouldn't have if both houses remained under their currently large Democrat majorities that have earned such low approval ratings.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:07 PM

Donuel Greg Bobert:

Where are your numbers? Ya got nothing so personal attacks replace facts.

Personal attacks such as: "The redn**ks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits..."


Show some unsloppy numbers and where they cam from. Got any?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 09:56 PM

Don't Call Him Redneck

James Webb Hates the Expression, But Is Very Proud of the Culture
        
Washington Post October 18, 2006

About a year ago, before he was running for the Senate, James Webb took a colleague to the mountains of southwest Virginia to do some research for a movie they were working on.

Rob Reiner , meet my cousin Jewel and her husband, Buck. Jewel made a home-cooked meal for Webb and his producer-director friend. She pointed across the way to a nearby hollow and said:

"Ah wuz bawn rat ovah theyah." That's Reiner on the phone from Los Angeles, doing a mountain accent.

At night, Webb took Reiner to a rustic auditorium. There was bluegrass and flatfoot dancing.

"Incredible experience," Reiner says.

There may be few places in the country more foreign to Hollywood than Gate City, Va., and much of Webb's livelihood has been to translate one culture for another. His dad's family came out of these hollows, though Webb grew up on military bases all over the country. Over the course of his career, in books and more recently in screenplays, Webb, 60, has been writing about the dignity of his people -- the gun-loving, country-music-singing, working-class whites of Scotch-Irish descent who fight in wars, staff the nation's factories and shop its Wal-Marts.
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"This people gave our country great things, including its most definitive culture," Webb writes in his most recent book.

He knows that some folks might call his people rednecks. We pity those folks if Jim Webb is around when they say that...

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 06:56 PM

Tis the season of the Republican Lie Machine...

Hey, got give 'um credit in observing that the voters ain't fact checkin' 'cause they are too busy trying to find a job or working 50-60 hours to keep the one they have...

And, of course, the corporate media has no particular interest in the truth either 'cause they hate Obama fir having the audacity for trying to bring some regs back into the economy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 03:11 PM

Many here keep posting such fron Liberal sources- and I hear no complaints. I guess they say what many here want to believe.


Too bad some of us look at BOTH sides, and try to determine facts.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 02:54 PM

Oh, OK - a survey by a Republican Party propaganda group. Must be true then.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:50 PM

Donuel


TRY to read the post before you comment- or learn to read.



"Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:44 PM

Survey by who, the National Review?

Poll by who"


"From: Sawzaw - PM
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:11 PM

...according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. "

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:44 PM

Survey by who, the National Review?

Poll by who

Statistics compiled by what

jeez sawz, that kind of sloppiness works on FOX but not here among intelligent people.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:11 PM

Survey: Four in 10 Tea Party members are Democrats or independents

Four in 10 Tea Party members are either Democrats or Independents, according to a new national survey.

The findings provide one of the most detailed portraits to date of the grassroots movement that started last year.

The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. Two-thirds of the group call themselves conservative, 26 are moderate and 8 percent say they are liberal.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:08 PM

The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan wrote Wednesday morning that Williams' statement about fearing Muslims on planes is an example of bigotry. "What if someone said that they saw a black man walking down the street in classic thug get-up," Sullivan wrote. "Would a white person be a bigot [if] he assumed he was going to mug him?'

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: bobad
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM

Tea Party 'founder': Palin, Gingrich a 'joke'

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, October 20th, 2010 -- 10:46 pm

A financial blogger and ex-CEO credited with being one of the original "founders" of the Tea Party has come out against the movement, saying it has been hijacked by the very people it was protesting and is now obsessed with "guns, gays and God."

In a "message" to the Tea Party Wednesday, Karl Denninger declared that he "ought to sue" anyone who uses the Tea Party name "for defamation."

"Yeah, that's a joke," he writes. "But so are you. All of you. Especially Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and douchebag groups such as the 'Tea Party Patriots.'"

Denninger writes: "Tea Party my ass. This was nothing other than the Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with the Republican Party's own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM

Well it has to do with people defending their numbers which you refuse to do.

But you demand that others do so.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:03 PM

"These folks are eat up with hatred..."

"We support our troops when they shoot their officers"

Kill their babies

If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:40 PM

So you are defending your numbers as being all the money that is gpoing into this campaign, Swaz???

How abhout the unreported "Citizens" money??? You been reading about it???

Has nuthin' to do with Haiti...

B~