BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham

Subject: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 12:20 PM

I expect some will wonder why I have decided to respond to the other BNP threads with this new one and tell everyone it is I who stood in Chippenham for the BNP. I wish to give people the choice to continue to be my friend or not.

As far as I'm concerened it shouldn't matter what my political views are. I am still the same me I was before people started to know. My views have not changed, people just know what they are now.

I can understand Mike not talking to me anymore as he is a cllr.

I can no more change the way I feel about things than the next person and if people no longer want to speak to me then I will understand but will of course be upset to lose some very good friends.

George

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 12:33 PM

So what's your point..? if you have one, which I seriously doubt
Rifleman (non - white immigrant)

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 12:56 PM

What is BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Zen
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 01:00 PM

The far-right and anti-immigrant British National Party.

It matters to me what your political views are if you are BNP but I will say no more.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 01:01 PM

so as a member of the BNP,Please enlighten us as to how you intend to solve the economic problems of the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Zen
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 01:04 PM

Perhaps I would just add that I once used to play with musicians who turned out to be members of the Flemish equivalent, Vlaams Blok, and who seriously verbally abused some very good African musicians in my presence. I walked out there and then and never played with them again.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 01:21 PM

Membership of the BNP doesn't change who you are. You were obviously a racist already!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM

are you maggy st george?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:11 PM

What does the (abbreviation?? acronym???) "cllr" stand for?

MBSGeorge, please see my post in the cllr thread. (PM if interested.)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:13 PM

so, mr /ms Simpkins please answer my question.How will your policies encourage multi national investment.
apolgies to MAGGY st GEORGE.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:24 PM

This one?

Chippenham Cepen Park and Redlands

DALE George        British National Party        114 (8.5%)
LLOYD Maureen Frances        Labour Party        171 (12.7%)
PHILLIPS Nina (Elected)        Conservative Party        783 (58.1%)
WOOD June Margaret        Liberal Democrats        275 (20.4%)
Turnout         38.2%

3.25% of the electorate voted BNP. That means 96.75% DIDN'T vote BNP. It's still far too many. I hope you are happier in the company of racist thugs than folk musicians.

Almost two thirds of the electorate didn't vote at all, despite the almost unorecedented publicity.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:29 PM

Fair play for going public, but I'm completely at a loss to understand how any sensible person could embrace the BNP when so much is known about it. The criminal convictions, the hatred, the violence, the racism, the bitterness and hatred - all of that is what has made the BNP what it is today, and all of it is well-documented.
For all the public posturing about 'fairness' and 'reasonableness', the BNP can never escape the stain of the swastika and Griffin's 'White Power' tee shirt, not to mention his holocaust denial, conviction for inciting racial hatred and financial dishonesty. And that's just Griffin. Look into the backgrounds of nearly all the BNP's leaders - are they really the sort of people you would want to turn to?
If you're not in denial, look back over the links in the other thread, and try to answer some of the questions put to 'Daily Mail Reader'.
As for politics and person being different - maybe that is sometimes the case, but when someone has the conviction to want to stand for election and seek public recognition for their beliefs then the politics becomes the person.
As such, I'm afraid I can only see you now as naive or nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:55 PM

I'll not condemn you. You have done what many GUEST-Annonymous people have not and said who you are. I want to ask you some questions though, that you are, of course, free to answer or not - as is you right.
I wondered what convinced you to stand as a candidate for the BNP? Myself, I'm happy with immigration, and have many friends of race and creed many of whom are 2nd and 3rd generation by birth. What would be your stance on these people, and what would be you stance on me considering that I am 3rd. Generation Romany/Scot/Irish/Jew?
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 02:56 PM

Well said George, you have my full respect.

Please take no heed of those above.

Take care and the Best of British to you my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:04 PM

TROLL, TROLL, TROLL.
I feel sorry for you MBSGeorge, if your cowardly fan club still hide behind a GUEST pseudonym. They don't have your convictions nor bottle.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:05 PM

Please take no heed of those above
With friends like you, telling her to stick her head in the sand and ignore reality, who needs enemies?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:08 PM

I suggest you go here: thread.cfm?threadid=121408&messages=15
as DMR has turned up there. Shows you what a total w**nker he/she is.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Cats
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:08 PM

Hi George, it is good that you have 'come out' so to say and I hope you realise that I was trying to give you the chance to come face to face with one of those people who your party tells you you have to hate and actively and publicly denegrate. I am on the red watch list and that means that, all the while you are a BNP memeber, you have to make life difficult for me, up to and including giveing them all my details so they can target my home and family. I was trying to make it easier for you to do what your party says you are obliged to do by saying 'here I am, do it to me, someone you know, rather than any stranger off the list'. It would have been diffcult for you, I am sure, but might have helped to open your eyes to some of the things you are signing up to.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:09 PM

...and, George, although he's more than capable of answering for himself, I believe Mike's reaction had nothing whatsoever to do with his being an elected councillor and more to do with his own beliefs and experience.
He may be too modest to tell you, but he has worked in areas where he has had direct contact with the sort of issues the BNP exploits and with the sort of crimes it commits, and that has had more effect on him than any party-political dogma.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:15 PM

"I can no more change the way I feel about things than the next person"

You could try. You could start seeing people as human beings instead of blacks/whites/immigrants/non-British. You could think back to the shameful ways the Brits/Yanks/Aussies/Kiwis have mistreated native peoples the world over. You could remember how easy it was to exploit minorities when it suited us, steal all their wealth whilst stuffing prayer-books into their hands, then cast them aside as inconveniences when times got harder. You could read your history books and take inspiration from the real Brits, the men and women in the 1930s who saw off Mosley's fascist thugs in the streets, real working-class people who had been through tougher times than any of us have seen but who were still not going to see minority groups victimised. As John Seymour said, the working people of east London may have had little time for the Jews but they were damned if they were going to see them herded into death camps. What your party is doing now is employing the age-old fascist strategy of lying about who's to blame for our woes to the disadvantaged white people in inner-city areas. You can change the way you feel by opening up your mind and thinking things through.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: jeddy
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:19 PM

so DMR you have come out from under your' rock... but only when you have backup!! you are a coward my FRIEND.

GEORGE. how can you possibly think that your' political views have no bearing on personality?   everything we have to talk about and disscuss is due to politics in one way or another.   i don't know what lies you have been told but as (i assume) you are a responsibe adult it is your' DUTY to seek the truth. as JOHN BARDEN has already said, at least you are not a coward but this does not mean you have earned my respect. if you could answer the questions above then maybe we could all at least see where you are coming from.

another question, knowing what you know now about your' chosen party, would you do anything differently?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:27 PM

I was just a kid when World War II broke out.

Why, I wonder, when I read of the BNP and the pronouncements of some of its advocates, do I hear disturbing echoes of The Horst Wessel Song?

After the horrible ordeal of the late 1930s and early 1940s, one would think that anyone who was truly British had had enough of THIS sort of thing!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:35 PM

MBSGeorge:
the sort that starts a contentios thread and then buggers off...ahh look our 'friend' (not really)Daily Stale (sic) REader has resurfaces from the scummy pond inwhich she/he dwells with the rest of the BNP.

"The British National Party would probably make it into a parliament elected by proportional representation, too. It would shine a torch into the dirty little corner where the BNP defecate on our democracy, and that would be much more powerful than duffing them up in the street — which I'm also in favour of."

- Billy Bragg

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:42 PM

well, I never thought I would agree with Steve Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:49 PM

here is one of his previous posts
Excuse me Diane.

If everyone thought like you there would be far fewer people interested in Folk as if they are not excellent at it they would assume they shouldn't participate.

I will be bringing my son up to enjoy all aspects of Folk and if he is interested in learning and joining in with any aspect I will positively encourage him regardless of his ability.

I have performed at several festivals as a booked artist, I am not spectacular but I have never heard anyone complain that as I am not perfect I shouldn't be performing. I do not dumb down and I try to find out origins to the songs which I perform. (something which has to be done now by law)

It is people like me who are bringing up today's and tomorrow's generations to enjoy and appreciate folk and who will contribute to keeping folk alive - at all levels.
I just hope he is not passing on to his son,his political views.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:56 PM

so this candidate is Georgina Simmons,a middle bar SIDMOUTH singer,who is now Georgina Dale.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:02 PM

It's not a him but a her, sadly.
She was lecturing me after I'd been talking about the importance of excellence in the performance of traditional music from whatever culture. Don't think I'd actually mentioned dub reggae and township rap either.
Now I'm getting out of this filthy thread to wash off the fleas.
The Anchor needs fumigating too,

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:06 PM

"Brits/Yanks/Aussies/Kiwis have mistreated native peoples"

You can add Canada to that list, and I should know

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:12 PM

Yep, I was typing quickly off the top of my head and couldn't hope to be comprehensive - sorry.   I know about the native Canadians quite well from a friend over there who teaches them on a "reservation."

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 04:37 PM

Steve here's a little something from 'the colonies' sent to me by my sister a couple of weeks back.
Residential Schools
In 1928, a government official predicted Canada would end its "Indian problem" within two generations. Church-run, government-funded residential schools for native children were supposed to prepare them for life in white society. But the aims of assimilation meant devastation for those who were subjected to physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Decades later, aboriginal people began to share their stories and demand acknowledgement of — and compensation for — their stolen childhoods

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 06:15 PM

Thanks for that. It's humbling at times to realise how little we know of what went on and what goes on in the world. People such as the BNP revel in fact that we are ignorant, and by their lies they intend to keep us ignorant. Ignorance is the best breeding ground for prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 06:36 PM

I see this thread was sitting just above the one about the visit paid by Obama to Buchenwald. Chillingly appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:12 PM

What I wonder, would Georgina's solution to the "immigrant problem" be in my case?

I am of second generation southern Irish stock, and it would bother me exceedingly, if, as I suspect the BNP were to endorse MY right to call myself British, simply because my skin is what we mistakenly refer to as "white".

If continuing to reside in England were as a result of that rationale, I would be on the next boat out, on a one way ticket.

That is an England I couldn't stomach.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:24 PM

Her mates.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:49 PM

Well BNP candidate. It doesn't matter what my political views are then. So let me state. The BNP should be rounded up and exterminated or repatriated to the sewer from which they came. Doesn't sound so good when it comes from the opposite direction does it?. They are not a National party. They are a bunch of racist thugs who sprout ignorance and hatred. Their web site is a disgrace, their leader is a disgrace. Chippenham had 12 BNP candidates, not one got elected. Can't you take a hint?

THIS IS FROM THEIR SITE TODAY. "On this day, we wish to pay tribute to George and his comrades who were prepared to risk everything to defend Britain from foreign invasion."

That must include the Americans of all races that fought and died. That must include all the colonial soldiers that fought and died and continue to do so.Or are they excluded. You dishonour their memory !

I don't know you, I don't want to know you. You don't know me but you and your ilk insultand threaten my friends and colleagues. People I care about. People who work hard for themselves and this country.

Who are you going to start on first? Asians, blacks, catholics, jews, people with black hair, curly hair, dark skinned, the ill, infirm, mental patients, twins etc. What are you going to do when they say "We are not going" or "This is our country as well"? Beat them up,put them in ghettos? shoot them? Because that is what you are going to have to do. Are YOU going to pull the trigger? inspect the corpses? Or just give the orders?

Enlighten us please?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: jeddy
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:59 PM

i suspect that neither DMR or GEORGE will be back to answer any quetsions that we put to them.    it is not in thieir nature to explain things logically, they prefere to stick the boot in then run. as i said before they are COWARDS. you would think that to stand for election GEORGE would be able to handle this pressure, but to me SHE just seems like the rest of her FRIENDS and just says something and doesn't expect an arguement...

she has come to the wrong place!!!!!!!!!!!

i really hope i am proved wrong and hope to read HER replies soon.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: jeddy
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 08:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNsV1hPEyU&feature=


just to remind you all this is what we are fighting.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Lox
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 08:50 PM

"As far as I'm concerened it shouldn't matter what my political views are."


If your political views don't matter then why did you run for office?


Do you believe in them that much or not?


Your political attitude reflects who you are.


You either wilfully scapegoat foreigners or you just don't like em.


Either way, your attitude reflects that you would rather base your views on hate than pay attention to evidence.


Thank God for Britains love of democracy.


Britain can be proud ...


... for shutting you up again.


You should be ashamed of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 12:19 AM

In a democracy isn't it a persons right to stand for any party they like? Whatever you think about the BNP and their policies, and I personally dislike them, they are not an openly nazi party and the manifesto on their website maintains their commitment to democracy. This isn't my opinion, thats just what it says on the tin.

Maybe some are nazis? Others are people just dissatsfied with immigration into this country, which is a valid topic for debate. I believe a lot of immigration enriches this oountry, yet some people such as tradesmen may justifiably feel that their jobs have been undercut by Eastern Europeans working longer hours for less money.

The lining up to bully MBSGeorge on this thread is amazing. She isn't to blame for the nazi gas chambers or the recent ricin discovery.

Maybe if you ask, she will tell you why she stood for the BNP and you can castigate her accordingly?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 12:54 AM

You're right, Steve. There are a lot of reasons to be concerned about massive immigration. The survival of the planet might be one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 01:15 AM

"The lining up to bully MBSGeorge on this thread is amazing."

Indeed it is. But it's typical.

Given the fact that she has had the courage to openly state what amounts to absolute heresy here, you would think someone would at least want to know why she holds the opinions she does? And maybe discuss the actual issues?

Naww....better to just gather in a snarling mob and "burn the witch". Soooo emotionally satisfying.

(I might add that I am not in any way a BNP supporter or sympathizer. I know little about the BNP other than the fact that virtually everyone here goes ballistic whenever they are mentioned. Evidently they equate to modern day "Nazis" in people's minds. Since I know very little about them at this point, I'm not really in a position to offer much opinion about that.)

Democracy, however, allows all shades of opinion to be expressed, does it not? Or do we get to decide what opinions should be shouted down and silenced because we are "the good people"? Shall we excommunicate MBSGeorge for joining the BNP and daring to say so? Should I call the inquisitors and the executioner in now?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 02:23 AM

I had no wish to re-enter this reeking flea-pit, but feel I must in the face of the blinkered apologism displayed above.

Even if you were to place to one side the racist thuggery, the xenophobia, the colour-coded divide-and-rule strategy towards the proletariat, the holocaust denial and clear echoes of "Kinder Küche Kirche associated with this latest incarnation of fascism in Britain, there remains the BNP's policy of annexation of English music to further their vile purposes,

As this is a forum dedicated supposedly to traditional music from all cultures, it is not only repugnant but contradictory to include someone spouting violent, racist discrimination and opposition to multiculturism among its membership. In Germany, indigenous trad music is still ashamed to show its face outside university libraries, so tainted and damaged is it still by nazi associations. Our music and musicians deserve to be spared that sort of fate.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:14 AM

The core teaching [of the BNP] of course is the old nazi lie of the Jewish conspiracy.

It is extremely similar to that, I agree, but I find it hard to believe the BNP attitute to Asians is really just a cover for hating Jews. While not downplaying the horrors that were inflicted on Jews over the centuries (York in 1190 as well as WWII for example), I think the reason we need to fight the BNP is on behalf of all the persecuted groups, and the Jews are relatively far down on the BNP's list of groups to attack. For now, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:16 AM

Well played sir!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:47 AM

Little Hawk,guest Steve.
I have asked her [twice]to explain her economic solution,no reply.[HOW DOES THAT CONSTITUTE BULLYING]
I too would not be hear if the fascist parties had won world war 2.
I wholeheartedly endorse Diane Easbys comments.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Cats
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:53 AM

Think this just about sums up the whole argument...


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:53 AM

Well played sir!
Why, thank you. Always nice to have another one on board the good ship Reason. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:54 AM

Bold Herrings.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 04:57 AM

Yes, there has been some strong emotion expressed in the thread. But there have also been questions asked. But it's often easier to post something without the chore of actually reading what's already been written, eh?
I would, genuinely, like to see some answers to those questions. I doubt we'll get them however - it seems to be a trait of the BNP and other far right groups to make absurd assertions ("They're going to build a mosque in your suburb" being a favourite) and then never providing the facts to back them up.
So I won't hold my breath for George's rationale of her BNP support.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 05:10 AM

Well, George, you believe what you believe and I am pretty certain that I cannot change that. I wish that I could, though.

I do find the existence of BNP as a party abhorrent, as its messages are mainly negative, being based on exclusion. But I also see it as useful - I 'd rather see what I am up against than have it permeate society invisibly.

I do wish, like Diane said so well, that BNP would stop hijacking the country's traditions for their own purposes. Things like that should be way above politics. I think we can help stop that, and I certainly intend to try.

Meanwhile, if you fall I'll pick you up, and if you're stranded I will give you a lift. In a singaround I will sing with you. I don't have to be your friend to do those things.

But if you move next door to me I'll sell my house, together with Mujeeb, my neighbour and friend.