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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Stu Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:32 AM DML reader leaps to the defence of the BNP by trotting out the same hate disguised as fact that we've come to expect from their deluded members. I'd like to see a scrap of evidence to support a single one of the statements you make in your post DMR.* Post links to back up all those accusations and 'facts'. Searchlight reveals much of the BNP's true nature in an article here. * The odd thing is, DMR's rant is the same turgid propagandist bullshit he so professes to hate from the other parties. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Penny S. Date: 09 Jun 09 - 06:06 AM Back to the bottom of the page, and to the point a bit. On a van belonging to a firm of builders. "You've had the cowboys. Now try the Indians. J Singh and Sons" (Name may be wrong, but not the source.) Hope you don't mind, Kat. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: greg stephens Date: 09 Jun 09 - 06:32 AM I have steeered clear of this thread, anything I would have to say would be so obvious it isn't worth saying. But now I would like to say, with Backwoodsman above, that it is great to see Sir jOhn back among us, and in a good cause.He has always been our most eloquent poster, and I would just like to back what he said 100%, there's nothing I could add to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Tug the Cox Date: 09 Jun 09 - 07:18 AM Little Hawk wrote Tug the Cox, I think you are either willfully misunderstanding me in order to score some bogus points that have no real basis...or you have a need to have something to get upset about....or you're honestly failing utterly to understand what I posted in the first place. Probably the last option, but not intentionally, have PH' you. Cheers. Jeff |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: greensue Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:11 AM I have read only the first 50 or so of the posts on this subject and totally agree with Little Hawk, How can all of you spitting fire and disgust hope to persuade a nieve girl that she is wrong. Those of you who will not talk to her, would ban her from singing with you and want to beat her up in the street, how does that show you up? How does it re educate her? All you needed to say was that you were supprised at her declaration, and would not have chosen that party to stand for yourselves. Oh and I have never heard her sing any of these racist songs that have been refered to. I shall continue to speak to her and listen to her singing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Tug the Cox Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:45 AM Jeddy. Your name only appears in purple to you. We all see it as blue. Don't get paranoid though, I see my name in purple, you see it in blue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:46 AM From the 'Folk Against Facism' Facebook page: "The UK folk scene is a welcoming and inclusive one...." I'm not sayin' nuthin'..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: greensue Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:52 AM Gervaise Webb, sorry if i've misspelt your name, icant seem to flick backwards and forwards on these pages yet. I do believe George will be around in August, please sit down with her and ask the questions personally. I for one would be interested. I have very little politics myself, but I do realise that the BNP is a hated organisation ( yes I do understand why)even though their modern political statements seem a lot gentler than the old ones. I wouldn't think of the right questions to ask. I spend a lot of time in a wheelchair and so far she has not tried to push me off the pier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Stu Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:26 AM "I spend a lot of time in a wheelchair and so far she has not tried to push me off the pier." Probably because you're not black, Asian or Jewish. Truth is, I can't see anyone who wants to beat her up on the street (which is what most anti-BNP people want to avoid and should be thundered against), but people are well within their rights to express their disgust and disapproval of the BNP. Any of us with black and Asian friends, or who have relatives that saw the holocaust at first hand and understand a little of the effect of that particular episode of history has had might well feel pretty strongly about the attitude of these people. In Germany in the 1920s Nazism started as a movement of political dissent and ended up with an atrocity being committed that will take an age to recover from. You want reasons why people want to stop Griffin, the BNP and the ignorant fools or who vote for them? There are 6 million reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Ruth Archer Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:40 AM Someone up the thread named a black singer and morris dancer who frequents the Middle Bar (I won't name him again because I don't think he posts here and I would not want to embarrass him). How is he, or the people who like and respect him, meant to feel when there is someone in the room who openly represents a party calling for the voluntary, and ultimately involuntary, repatriation of everyone who isn't ethnically British? yes, this man now represents Britain in Europe |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:03 AM Well, If George wants to turn up at Sidmouth. Fine After all it's a free country (!) She can go where she likes. Lucky her. Shame that one can't say the same for the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Dissidents, et al, that didn't have that right in Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's. (Not to mention the millions that were moved to work camps like Buchenwald and Auschwitz and Sobibor, and Belsen.........) These people never had that right to freedom. Just Death. So George, If you are reading this. I will be at Sidmouth. I will not enter a dialogue with you. I will send you to Coventry. (You know, that English city that your Lord and Master destroyed?) Have a Lovely Summer. Ralph PS Yes and It's great to see jOhn of Hull back on line!! Wonderful! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Stu Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:04 AM Quasimodo the White and the odious Nazi Brons have just been egged outside Parliament. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:12 AM Thanks to Mr Grundy for posting the You Tube Link. In One and a half minutes, It states all that the bnp represent. I Quote from Nick Griffin. "This nonsensce that there were gas chambers is a total lie" You couldn't make it up could you? Hasn't he seen the films? Oh so thousands of emaciated actors allowed themselves to be bulldozed into pits full of Lime for fun pretending to be dead? Yeah Right... Beyond belief. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: The Borchester Echo Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:22 AM a nieve girl What in the name of Jesus Mary & Joseph is this? If you are attempting to refer to the BNP candidate, the phrase is "female fascist". Naivety is imagining falsely that the BNP's political statements are "a lot gentler than the old ones". First re-educate yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Ruth Archer Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:37 AM The reason why the BNP's current statements are "a lot gentler than the old ones": The BNP teaches the KKK how to "sell" their ideas Tha's right - in his first few sentences, Nick Griffin says to the White Supremacists/KKK, "The British National Party isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your ideas too, but we are determined now to sell them..." "Which are your ideas too." Think about that. The party hasn't changed - it's repackaged the old ideas to make them more palatable to people like you, greensue. Please don't be apologists for them, or anyone who stands for office as their representative. Naivete is no excuse - the evidence is there for anyone who cares to look for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Stu Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:15 AM Here they are relaxing. Great way to bring up your kids. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:17 AM AS and A2 Law |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:21 AM ooops...forgot this.. " or those who can only oppose it by lies, smears, intimidation, harrassment and outright violence..." Sounds EXACTLT like to BNP to me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: jeddy Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:29 AM GEORGE, is that all your mind can come up wth? the same as you said at the start of this thread? i can see now why you think the bnp are the party for you!!!!!as non thinking people, you seem to have no idea as to how to answer these questions, so why are you sticking to your guns? i don't think anyone ever said that bloodymindedness was a virtue. you have dissapointed me more than you already had, which i thought was IMMPOSSIBLE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: jeddy Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:59 AM hang on, someone is messin with me i could have sworn that the first post from george was just there, has someone deleted it or was i imagining things? i think i need help!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:08 PM Subject: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: MBSGeorge - PM Date: 06 Jun 09 - 12:20 PM I expect some will wonder why I have decided to respond to the other BNP threads with this new one and tell everyone it is I who stood in Chippenham for the BNP. I wish to give people the choice to continue to be my friend or not. As far as I'm concerened it shouldn't matter what my political views are. I am still the same me I was before people started to know. My views have not changed, people just know what they are now. I can understand Mike not talking to me anymore as he is a cllr. I can no more change the way I feel about things than the next person and if people no longer want to speak to me then I will understand but will of course be upset to lose some very good friends. George YOU MEAN THIS ONE? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: jeddy Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:24 PM yes that one. was it my imagination or was it there a miniute ago? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:26 PM It's still there, on my screen... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 01:36 PM Geeze Louise! If this thread had legs it would be able to step right over the Atlantic Ocean in a single bound. (a lot of posts in a short time, I mean) Got your PM, Tug the Cox. Thanks. Sir jOhn - Hey! Great to see you posting again. Tell the parrot to quit swearing so much and go easy on the fig newtons. The neighbours are beginning to complain. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM Daily Mail Reader.... Just to let you know.... There's an excellent double page spread about the BNP and what racist scum they are, followed by another article about them, in the....er.....Daily Mail, today. Thought you might like to hear about it. If you'd like, I can type it out for you. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Fred McCormick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 03:52 PM A major demonstration, on Merseyside, against the BNP is being planned for the near future. At the moment I know no more than that, but I'll post further details as I get them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Nick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 03:57 PM Weirdly George got in touch with me privately. As she won't engage here and I don't choose to talk privately I thought I'd post it here. >>That picture is more than 10 years old and I look totally different now. You do. Who knows we might have stood next to each other in Sidmouth. Horrible thought. Should your political views be ignored by your 'friends'. Sure they should. I dare say Harold Shipman was probably a pillar of the community (local doctor, smiling face etc etc) until the unfortunate fact that he killed off a large chunk of the community he served. Would I have stood next to him and sang a song and drank a beer and smiled and had fun? Strangely, no. Fred West and his wife were probably dab hands at playing spoons until some unfortunate things slipped out. Hitler could have probably been a great ukulele player if he hadn't got sidetracked. I choose the company I keep. If latterly I discover that the person behaves or holds a view that is so loathsome as you do I can't see how I could possibly ignore it. We have choices. I'm surprised that you aren't engaging on the thread that you started. What you support is abhorrent in every possible way I can possibly conceive it and the almost total lack of support here to your coming out - apart from the expected random, nameless troll that usually hang round these type of threads - fills me with joy that most of the human race are fundamentally decent people regardless of race, creed or religion. You were a good looking woman in that picture. Your looks now reflect the ugliness your views. It was the point of my post as I'm sure you realise. I'll post these on the thread as I have no interest in engaging with you privately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:04 PM Nick, in the total absence of any goodwill or mutual respect nothing useful can be achieved. You are demonstrating a total lack of goodwill and respect toward someone who sent you a PM. You should not print the text of someone else's PM in a public forum, and you should have the decency to respond to a PM if someone sends you one, regardless of their political views. I don't judge people on their beliefs (political or otherwise)...I judge them on their personal conduct. Their personal conduct toward others is the best and only reliable indication of their character. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Nick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:06 PM Little Hawk I did respond to her privately and also told her of my intentions. I can live with myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Fred McCormick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:10 PM Could somebody tell me who MBS George is. I've no wish to deprive her of the right to sing, or whatever it is she does. But I would wish to reserve the right to walk out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: The Sandman Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:11 PM georgina dale[nee simmons] |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Peace Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:12 PM mbs means 'middle bar singer' |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Peace Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:14 PM This is gonna throw a real damper on "Darkie Day", huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:17 PM Okay then, Nick. Fair enough. ***** Fred - I might walk out if I really didn't like the song, I guess. I'd go to the kitchen and make myself some tea. But I'd come back for the next song. I have done that on occasion at a song circle, because I find some songs just downright annoying. On the other hand, if she sang the song well and I liked it...I'd stay and listen. What the hell do I care what political party she belongs to? A song circle isn't about fighting over politics, it's about playing music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Nick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:19 PM Little Hawk The opposite also applies. If you post something in an open forum I respond to it in an open forum. I wouldn't post my reply as a private message. I could send this to you privately but engage at the same level. If you send me a PM I'll reply to you as a PM. If you post on here and engage in conversation we stay here unless we bore the bits off people or are asked to go elsewhere. Liberalism, free speech and the defence of liberty in all it's senses are interesting bedfellows but I don't think are the subject of this thread. If you want to start one I'll happily chat about it. If the triumph of liberal thinking is to allow and encourage the spread of views that are diametrically opposed to the freedoms that liberalism seeks then that is a little confusing to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Peace Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:20 PM Yeah. Nothing like a rousing chorus of "Die Fahne hoch". |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Peace Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:22 PM Youtube--BNP song |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:26 PM I posted this a couple of days ago, Little Hawk, but obviously you skipped right over it. So I'll post it again. You say, ". . . what I judge individuals on is their character and their personal behaviour...not their beliefs."I repeat: People ACT on their beliefs. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:43 PM People may or may not act on their beliefs, Don. Many do not act on their beliefs, they just talk. They blow off steam. When they have an anti-social belief, however, and DO act on it, then I judge them by their actions, not by their beliefs. This is what the police also do in a free society. They do not prosecute people for having a belief (except in a dictatorship). They prosecute them for taking actions that are unlawful. You keep asking me rhetorically if it's all right for people to take negative actions (based on some beliefs they have). No, of course it's not all right, and I never said it was. I said that I judge them by their actions. Period. I am not a member of the Spanish Inquisition or the Gestapo or the KGB. I do not arrest, condemn, and otherwise persecute people on the basis of their stated beliefs. If their stated beliefs worry me, then I may watch them closely...and the moment they DO commit unlawful actions, I would charge them for those actions. The law is meant to control actions, not beliefs. If you want to control beliefs, that's mind control. If you are in favor of mind control, then you must be eager for some Big Brother to take over and make society "safe" for the "good" people such as yourself (those who see it your way). I wish you no luck in such an endeavour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:46 PM This is rather entertaining, under the circumstances...from their 'comments' page.. Taken from here Please note before posting comments:- We receive a large volume of comments and not all will be published. The British National Party reserves the right to reject comments for reasons such as: a. Encourages illegal activity. b. Legal risk (libel/defamation/other). c. Threatening or abusive tone (including personal attacks, racism, sexism, bias against age) d. Contains or links to copyright material. e. Foul language. f. Spamming. g. Excessive length. h. Is very off-topic from the original discussion. Moderation is applied to maintain standards, and the moderators decisons are final. nb - Opinions expressed here are those of the writers and do not reflect those of the British National Party. The British National Party accepts no responsibility legal or otherwise for their accuracy. Many thanks for your support - Web Team |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:51 PM Goodness, but that Youtube clip is scary, Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:56 PM Sounds like a sensible set of rules for any forum or "comments" page to me, Lizzie. What if we tried that here? We'd virtually ALL have to alter our posting habits from time to time, wouldn't we? ;-D What if the political talking heads on TV stopped interrupting others in debate constantly and stopped trying to shout others down, and instead waited calmly to present their own views when their turn came? What if they all acted like grownups for a change? So many hypotheticals.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Lox Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:56 PM "Could somebody tell me who MBS George is. I've no wish to deprive her of the right to sing, or whatever it is she does. But I would wish to reserve the right to walk out." Why should you have to walk out? You have done nothing wrong! An alternative is just to have a loud conversation with somebody sitting next to you about how she supports the BNP and is looking for support to advance her career as a BNP politician, advancing their views and trying to convince people to blame foreigners and non whites for their ills.. She should be the one to feel she has to walk out. LH, Don is absolutely 100% right on this. The fact that somebody would hook up with the BNP, let alone stand as a BNP candidate in an election tells you plenty about their character. As I have said before, some mothers are forced to accept that their children have turned into criminals. They may love their kids and want the best for them, but they may have to admit that their children should not be allowed into society. MBSGeorge, may be loved by her friends, but as you can see they have painfully had to swallow and digest the fact that their friend is someone who is an active campaigning member of a white supremacist group with a history of violence whose whole raison d'etre is to blame and victimize people whose skin colour does not fit. people whose sexuality does not fit and people who are disabled. In other words, to stoke up resentment and hatred agains the most vulnerable in society. Someone like this is a danger to society and should be challenged every time she has an audience rather than allow her to endear herself to any potential supporters and then once she has their trust, infect them with her malignant ideas about people that don't fit in her utopia. Her Utopia is our hell - be under no illusions. You can see it, I can see it, she knows as much as we do and yet she SUPPORTS it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Gervase Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:05 PM Youtube--BNP song Hmm - maybe a candidate for a standing chorus in the Middle Bar. Not! Watching Goering trying to mouth the words, I was reminded of John Redwood's attempt to sing Hen Gwlad fy Nhadau at some Tory do in Wales once - equally risible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:05 PM Until she has done something harmful or behaved badly to people, Lox, I have no problem with her. If extreme self-righteousness were gold bullion, there are a bunch of you here who could retire immediately, buy yourself an island and a yacht in the Mediterranean, and entertain people like Paris Hilton and the Agha Khan for the rest of your lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:10 PM Now, mind, I have a song circle to go to tonight. I must be on my way soon. Carry on in my absence by all means and see if you can get it to 300 posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Gervase Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:15 PM I dunno - for some people the mere fact that the BNP is present in their neighbourhood is enough to fill them with fear and unease and that, to me, is harm. But I'm still waiting to hear George's version of events, and her answer to some of the points made here. For someone who was willing to stick her name on a ballot paper and stand for the county council in the name of the BNP, she does seems strangely shy when it comes to leaping to its defence. I know one shouldn't make assumptions, but to me silence signifies assent - in that she knows and understands what the BNP stands for, and assents to that. Bloody sad, really. It's easy to loathe a pasty-faced, strutting buffoon like Nick Griffin, but when it's someone you've actually met, it's not loathing; it's bafflement and a something akin to pity. What can have f*cked someone's life up so much that they see the BNP as something worth clinging to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: bobad Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:15 PM "Until she has done something harmful or behaved badly to people, Lox, I have no problem with her." By aligning herself with an organization that espouses racial discrimination and perpetrates violence against others, she has behaved badly and has done something harmful. Some white people of British heritage may not think so but I'll bet a lot of people who don't share that heritage do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: Nick Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:17 PM Little hawk So as I understand. I write an inflammatory piece encouraging racism, acts of violence and hatred against groups in society. Some mindless moron reads this goes out and kills someone fired up by the ideas I have stirred up in his mind. He has done something so is bad. I on the other hand have no responsibility because I haven't done anything. That is ridiculous. (And yes it would be difficult to prove causality etc etc) The pen is pretty mighty you know. Did Hitler actually physically kill anyone? Does that make him blamless if he didn't actually DO anything? I'm not sure most people would take that view. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham From: jeddy Date: 09 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM hello again all, i thought that song was very moving and nearly joined in, but i don't know the words!!!!!! yeah right. so everyone who doesn't think that politics and music should not be confused were you singing????????????????? i went to that link for the bnp forum and wrote a message asking for the truth about them but was too cowardly to post it as i am afraid of being in contact and they might start emailing me. i wanted to know how and why they supported them. little hawk,why can't you see that in every historical revolt or revolution that ever was started becuse a few people got together and discussed their dreams and goals for, in thier minds a better way. it always starts that way, however it very rarely stays that way. which is why we are trying to tell the truth about the bnp now. i have always said that freedom of speech and thought is a wonderful thing ONLY as long as the information you have been given to base your decision on is the TRUTH and full of evidence to support it. especially when it comes to politics. right where is that link again as i feel the need for a singalong. |