BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:59 AM

Dutch downhill skiing, Norwegian surfers, Jamaican skaters, English cricket...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 09:05 PM

we will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:35 PM

Bit of laughter in Brisbane, Melbourne, etc. too.

I think the Poms are short a few Jappies.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:10 PM

Unfortunately England performed a near miracle this afternoon and then lost three wickets for fifty three runs. I think only England can do things this farcical. England can now bat as slowly as they like. They just have to make sure that Australia are not given over two days with the bat and less than three hundred runs to score. There will be a lot of laughter in Sydney if that happens! All the pressure the Aussies were under must have evaporated when the Australians took three cheap wickets.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:58 PM

Yup, another boring uneventful afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:26 PM

Don't knock this series WAV, we could win this one and win the series! England have a 172 run lead on the first innings!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:57 AM

...not long now until the one-dayers...but shouldn't the Welsh be an independent cricketing nation?..

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:28 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 05:03 PM

Remember the Australian fast-bowler Geoff "Henry" Lawson, TV? He was also a qualified optometrist, who at least once took the liberty of removing and inspecting an umpire's glasses!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM

I still see the same old problem from umpires. Not giving the benefit of the doubt to batsmen.
Is it that difficult.
Send all umpires to Specsavers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:56 PM

Three things astonished me:

1 The decision not to play Freddie, even if only as a batsman.

2. The decision to bat, when all Strauss had to do was send Australia in and let them worry about when to declare. A draw would have done the trick

2. The appaling England bowling when thay had only to emulate the Australian policy of bowling a good length at middle and off stump all day ...amazing !

Still, the last day was all good fun and holly hocks


AD 1943...and an Australian who played cricket for 47 years

It is still the paragon of games my friends

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:13 PM

I thought I just did........

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

both Sidebottom and Rashid should play.
Collingwood should bat no 3, Bopara should be dropped.
I see no one is complaining about bad umpiring decisions this time?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:40 PM

Will Leg Before Inside Edge be recoed in the next Wisden?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM

I am prepared to back England in the next match

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 12:09 PM

It has been said before that England are strong when Yorkshire make up a proportion of the team. Anyone (apart from Boycs)think Sidebottom should have played? Cut his teeth at Headingly I believe. But I'm glad Broad rewarded faith in him, and hope he continues form in the next PROPER cricket match, at the Oval.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Alan Day
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:37 AM

I really cannot understand Strauss decision to bat first, He has in his team probably the best swing bowlers in the World and swing being linked to weather conditions,we had the muggiest period of weather known for some time, ideal for swing. It can only be his worry over Prior's injury just before the start, or just muddled thinking.
The final test looks to be a decider. One for Freddie to be a hero?
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 03:47 AM

This very nearly was a premature start to the one day series, wasn't it? The match will be over by tea time today, if not by lunch time. I had thought they could at least string it out for a fourth day, but there is only a remote chance of that happening now. England will lose by an innings and ca. 200 runs. Where does this stand on the list of all time whackings of an England cricket team? Am I right in believing that there were some even more ignominious disasters against Australia and the West Indies in the eighties? I do not like to see England humiliated like this, but to some extent it is a result well deserved by the bastards who booed Ponting the other day. I despise that scum. Well done Australia.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:48 PM

Ah well, TV - for those, like you, who do like their test-cricket, at least it's all to play for in the final test match it seems, before the ONE-DAY SERIES.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:47 PM

I just wonder why England decided to bat after being woken up by a fire in the hotel at 4:00 this morning and then having to stand outside for some 20 minutes or so.
Surely their concentration was bound to be affected by lack of sleep.
I think I would have fielded and then hoped for a good nights sleep.
I actually think that Strauss was worried about the Auusies batting first and rattling up a big score and therefore fell into the trap of batting first.
As they say, it was a good toss to lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

...either way, A., less than a month until the one-dayers!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:54 AM

England at 84-6. It looks like Australia will be batting by tea time and will have this wrapped up by Monday at the latest. I do not like to see England taking this sort of hammering, but I am not unhappy that the bastards, who booed Ponting the other day, are having their boos stuffed back down their throats.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 04:35 AM

Poem 115 of 230: SUNDAY CRICKET AND BERRIES - SUMMER 2000

From a bus (ninety-eight -
    Bury to Manchester),
I got off at the gate
    Of Hamilton Road Park,
Where in situ I ate
    Several blackberries
(The taste too good to wait),
    Before making my way
To a further park-gate,
    From where briefly I watched
How Stand's cricketers rate.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 12:27 PM

Caught a bit of the day 1 (rather than the 1 day!) highlights and wondered why they didn't keep playing to make up for the rain delay - there seemed plenty of light left..?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:47 PM

No TV-but just over sixteen hours to the next proper cricket match!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:24 PM

No TV - but just over a month to the first one-day international!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 08:27 AM

Anybody seen anything on who will play next week?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 07:16 AM

OOps I think I am going to change my mind after reading this article about the Edgebaston pitch. Leave Panesar in and bring Bell in for KP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8164751.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 10:04 AM

Indeed Dick, its very fishy.

Thank goodness somebody has made Pieterson have an operation and hopefully he will get a full recovery. I just cannot see what injections can do, other than hide the problem.

Bring in Ian Bell and Harmison and drop Panesar.

Pieterson is out, lets get on with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 08:06 AM

it is just not cricket ,Les.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:17 AM

Benefit of the doubt.

The principle employed by umpires in cases of uncertainty concerning a batsman possibly being out, in which the decision must be in the batsman's favour.

Time after time top class umpires give decisions against the batsman and IMHO go against the Benefit of the doubt ruling.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 07:50 AM

Ihave probably been over critical of them myself in the past,but with the greatest respect,Les,I doubt if you or I could do better,perhaps they should intrioduce a system where every decision is replayed,or have a system similiar to wimbledon where each side is allowed three replays.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 06:25 AM

not a collision course at all.
it is a question of getting everything in perspective,why should umpires be criticised for making a tiny proportion of errors,and not given praise for all the good decisions,and I am talking about all umpires here and also football referees.
soon no one will want to do the job,if people carry on criticising.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 05:47 AM

Captain

I said "I hate bad umpiring "

I didn't say that they were necessarily bad umpires, just umpires making IMHO bad decisions on the day.

Lets call it a day as we are on a collision course here. We don't agree so lets agree to not agree. I won't be discussing further.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 04:24 AM

They are both good umpires.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 05:39 PM

Oh may I add that I used to umpire a lot and really enjoyed doing it and through that take a great interest in umpiring as well as enjoying the match.
So I don't look purely at what both sides do, but look at the umpiring side as well. I hate bad umpiring for both sides as it can change a game.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 05:33 PM

Captain
You obviously don't read my posts. Sometime back I wrote
Quote

One good thing about Lords is that the first hour or two is favours the bowlers.
I will be very disapointed if England havent got it sown up in the morning, unless it piddles down.
Just to wipe the smile off the Aussies

One of the wickets gone. Excellent bowling from England

Another gone.
Well bowled Swanny

Flintoff the great. Another one bites the dust

then

We did it

Great test match.

Well done England - great performance.

It was great to shove it down the Aussies throats,

Unquote

I was only criticising the standard of umpiring, not the English performance. England were brilliant.

Hughes c Strauss b Flintoff
M Hussey c Collingwood b Swann
both dubious decisions and the benefit should have gone to the batsman on both occasions with good umpires.

I agree with you entirely. You win some you lose some and it balances over time.

That doesn't stop me discussing the umpires. Entirely seperate to the match.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 05:02 PM

Villan,tell us which decisions they were, apart from Ponting in the first innings.
On this occasion England were the better side,and would have won without the Ponting decision.
Flintoff took six wickets,and scored a paltry 34 runs.
anderson took four wickets and scored 29 runs.
Swann took four wickets.
Strauss scored 195 runs
Cook scored 127 runs
Onions took 3 wickets, Broad took 3 wickets.
it was a team effort.Collingwood tok amagnificent catch and scored 70 runs.
Flintoff bowled well in the second innings ,his batting was crap,and he took 1 for 27 in the first innings,he chose the right time to retire.
Flintoff did well in the second innings,but he has not been consistent enough for some time,probably because of his injuries.
so have Australia never had a dubious umpiring decision go in their favour?
England fully deserved the victory,so cut this crap about umpiring,that happens to all sides periodically,and give the better TEAM[not just Flintoff] the credit they deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 02:36 PM

I didn't want Flintoff playing becuase I was concerned about his injury. I don't think having injections in his knees is a good idea, and I would assume, only makes it worse in the long run.
Flintoff would die for England. However it is up to the Management to protect people like him from doing themeselves severe damage.

Having said that, he was brilliant and you couldn't ask anymore from him. I thought Shane Warne had fallen in love with him. He seemed besotted with Freddie. Can't beat an Aussie giving the plaudits to an Englishman. Freddie go and get pissed tonight, you deserve to have the freedom of England.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 02:09 PM

Fair play to you Villan, the umpiring was too bad to be true, England were the better team and where are all the England fans who wanted rid of Flintoff?, he gave an exhibition of bowling.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 12:48 PM

It was great to shove it down the Aussies throats, but 10 out of 10 to Ponting. He didn't whinge or moan about the umpiring. Took it on the chin.

I bet he is seething and England had better be on top form in the next match.

Captain
There were quite a number of appeals/decisions that had an element of doubt irrespective of cameras etc. A good umpire doesn't give a batsman out if there is the slightest doubt. Maybe the umpires need to go to specsavers. I expect an umpire at that level to always give the batsman the benefit of the doubt. Some of those decisions were little better than parks cricket umpiring.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 09:29 AM

the umpires do not have the benefit,of slow action replays for everything,luck generally evens itself out,the better side won.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 08:15 AM

The first time England have won against Australia at Lords for 75 years. Let's just hope that we do not have to wait for so long for the next win! Well done to everyone concerned. It looks like you were right Les. All power to your elbow.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:45 AM

Swanny

We did it

Great test match.

Well done England - great performance.

It takes 2 to make a match and Australia played really well, but I thought they didn't get the rub of the green from the umpires.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:44 AM

oh ye of little faith,what did Isay.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:32 AM

He did he did. One wicket to go

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:30 AM

My cup runneth over!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:28 AM

So excited I hit the wrong button. Can we? Can we? Now to see if Freddie can get fivefor..

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:26 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 07:11 AM

Flintoff the great. Another one bites the dust.