BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 06:35 PM

Little Hawk

I understand what is concerning you about the BNP using folk music in schools, and so on, "Snail". You just have to combat that by getting your own message out in the clearest and most positive way you can

If you look back at my posts, you will find that that is what I have been saying and doing all along, for instance here.

In your first post to this thread, you said -

Be afraid. Be very afraid. They are about to take over your entire folk tradition. Check the back of every bodhran for those little swastika markings and prepare to fight them on the beaches, in the wardrobes, on the street, and in the loo!

Very droll but remember that people have been beaten up in the street for taking BNP posters down. This is no laughing matter.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 07:20 PM

"Actually, that only works if one buys into the Ronald Reagan/Margaret Thatcher concept of a "Free Market Economy" where you have ever expanding markets requiring ever expanding populations to support them."

Richards comment wasn't a theory that needs justifying, it was an observation of the reality of "northern" economies.

These economies are currently depending on their immigrant workforce - from doctors and dustmen through to lawyers and bankers.

Trying to extract them would be like trying to extract half the DNA from a dual heritage child.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,stringsinger
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 07:57 PM

I think that it's a bad idea to start blaming anyone for the rise
of the BNP. Religious people are not the issue. This is racism,
pure and simple.

Immigration is a catalyst. It has always been one because of the tribal nature of certain groups. Fear is at the basis. Fear of the "outsider", "auslander","gadja","goy""proddie",
"papist","honky"....the list of derogations go on. Getting beyond
the destructive labels is getting to know the people who are being
persecuted.

Econmic conditions aggravate this stuff.

It's perfectly understandable when you think of the rise of Nazism
out of the economic slump in Germany. The Depression in the US saw
the rise of the German Bund. The Revolution in Russia. Whenever you see great disparities in wealth, you find this kind of thing.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 08:31 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

Above is a link to a list of places ranked by population density. THe UK is 52nd on the list.

Even if the UK were over-densely populated, that would be because there were too many people there. It would tell us nothing about which of those people constituted the excess.

Here is a synopsis of a study that proposes that modern cultural behaviour emerges when a threshold population density is reached - and eve tnat it may disappear if density drops below that threshold. Tinker with population densities at your peril!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:25 PM

Fisheye, no one posting here thought that asshole was you. Just a further indication of what scum the BNP really are. I'm quoting my British buddy when I use the word 'scum'. Such a delightful term and apt, especially when applied to the British Neo-Nazi-Nationalist Party.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:27 PM

"Whenever you see great disparities in wealth, you find this kind of thing."

             And now that the Goldman Sachs bonuses have returned, we're about to see it here.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:39 PM

Is there someway a clone could edit out the GUEST, fisheye title on that idiots posts? Maybe give it the name GUEST crackhead? The posts are important to remain else the general flow will suffer. But here's no way the real Fisheye should have his name attached to garbage like that that was posted by the crack freak.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:41 PM

BTW, I'm still waiting for proof from that jerk, FEARPLOY.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 03:14 AM

That's a good idea, Peace, for an elf to edit out the fake names.

Incidentally the fools are at play over on Facebook again, with clones of me, John Barden, and VT. It re-emphasises what I said above - we don't tell BNP supporters what to think, we can see by their words and deeds that they can't and don't think.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST, RB elsewhere on the network
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 05:39 AM

And the new toy is a netbook so I will be able to label it up like Woodie Guthrie and fight fascists from anywhere!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 05:51 AM

I know Fisheye, so that is why I knew it wasn't him who signed in as a GUEST. I put him/her in to see if that threw the BNP scum off the scent, but they went and put something up on facebook as 'JON BARDEN' showing a picture of me with the caption 'British Folk Musicians support the BNP'. This shows what low down dirty bastards they really are, and I'll repeat, NOTHING BUT SCUM. They don't frighten me in the slightest.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 11:53 AM

It would be great if troll posts from the Nazi trash were edited so the the poster name read something like GUEST gutless or GUEST wanker.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 07:10 PM

How much space is there between the BNP and the Consevatives?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 07:51 PM

I think in all fairness there is a vast chasm between the two, though Ian Duncan Smith's campaign manager was Edgar Griffin (Nicks Dad) and there was a scandal in which he was caught feilding calls for his wife who was a BNP party candidate.

Aside from that, I think the tories do not specifically discriminate against anyone, but they are utterly blind to discrimination on grounds of race where it occurs and dismiss the whole thing as a load of twaddle.

This is in my view down to their fixation on keeping teh wheels runing smothly for their pals in big business.

They current batch are an old etonian club and I don't believe any of them understands what it means to run for the bus much less run the country.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 08:22 PM

"but they are utterly blind to discrimination on grounds of race where it occurs and dismiss the whole thing as a load of twaddle."

Sorry Lox, but our Conservative 'Cllr', mudcatter and friend is as anti racist as anyone I know.

Ok I know a generalization but ......

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:05 AM

Fair point Emma,

Though my point is really about tories being blind to anything that isn't to do with making it easier for Big Businesses to make a living, and reluctant to sign up to anything that might impede big business or that might cost big business money ...

... thus impeding their old pals ability to keep filling the coffers.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:32 AM

Had the impression New Labour was much the same.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 02:25 PM

Quite right Penny, they are all the same, gutless jobsworths.....Oh so "liberal" yet afraid to tackle any of the horrific social problems thrown up by our modern "liberal" way of life.

All they are interested in is working this unfair, slave owning system to their own advantage.
The "liberals" on here make me laugh....being offended by a ragtag little group like the BNP.   THey need to be fuckin' offended....anything to shake them out of their apathy....maybe they will start protesting about something important someday, like the erosion of our freedom...our people enslaved by economics.. our kids rotting in the drugs sink, or dumbed down by modern "culture"

We are supposed to respect tradition, yet ludicrous political correctness is destroying the spirit in our music and dance.

As I said on another thread, the danger to our freedom and rights will not come from the BNP who have almost no support in the country, but the odious and insidious cult of so called "Liberalism", which will, if it is not opposed, remove our will, spirit and even our thought processes.

Start fighting back now, even if it means joining forces with old "enemies"....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 02:37 PM

Ake, I love it when you get pissed off.

Trust things are good, buddy.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:20 PM

The conservatives however have nothing useful to say on any of the fronts that Akenaton mentions.

It seems to me that a good start would be some proper Fabian socialists.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

Akenaton... surely not an old-school blood 'n' guts style tankie?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 05:18 PM

welcome back ake, believe it or not i have missed you.


you are right in some respects, we are becoming too politically correct to even try to address some of the issues we are facing. this is why the main parties are not going to get some real policies. they are too scared of being seen as the bad guys. it would seem that we now have reactionary politians. they react to crises and newpaper articles but do nothing to provent headlines in the first place, in case it is seen to be too full on or won't get public backing.
how can any government run a country like that? ... they can't.
they need to work out what is best for the country not what the public wants, the two sometimes do not go together.


sorry if this makes no sense, other than to me.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:13 PM

"As I said on another thread, the danger to our freedom and rights will not come from the BNP who have almost no support in the country"

Are you not aware they won two seats in the European election recently.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:35 PM

Oh boy what an apt name.

Tits.

Windscreen wipers.

Barrage balloons.

Have you dear Russ bothered to read? Do you know what a question mark is for?

THE BNP VOTE WENT DOWN. IT WAS MINISCULE IN ANY EVENT. LIKE THEIR BRAINS.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 07:31 PM

Dunno who russ is - but it seems like he is making the point that we shouldn't trivialise the potential Danger that the BNP poses.

They are a serious bunch who bring violence and hatred into our communities and who would be more dangerous if they weren't held in check by people who are active in campaigning against them.

I believe that you share this view Richard, or have I misunderstood your take on the subject?

I read the comment before yours as a response to Ake's usual irrelevant capitalizing on whatever tenuous link is available to spew up his usual predictable tirade agqinst liberals and the PC Brigade.

I would have read his post as being more about how new labour are no better than the tories if he hadn't poured so much bile into his description of liberal mudcatters.

For the record, - I ain't got much, I'm a single parent and I live in new cross (in south london). Milwall Stadium is just up the road and I can see just how the petri dish of the inner city could easily grow a culture of racism, fear and paranoia if people like the BNP were to be ignored and trivialized.

The threat that the BNP poses is tangible to the point that you can taste it on the air when you are on their turf.

Ake never responded to my evidence on a previous thread which demonstrated that if there was a correlation between immigration and unemployment (which by the way there isn't), then according to the statistics, periods of high immigration have coincided with periods of low unemployment suggesting that immigration, in that context of this facile argument, causes low unemployment.

It is obvious to me that employment levels are influenced by numerous and much more significant other factors than immigration.

I provided this evidence because Ake was suggesting that the opposite was the case - i.e. that foreign immigrants are coming over here taking our jobs etc.

I wonder does he still hold that view?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:07 PM

Richard, I say old boy, steady on. There is no need for filthy chat like that. Thank you Lox, you are the only one that seemed to understand my post. Nice to see at least one poster is sober tonight !


I repeat, to get two seats in a European parliment you need a lot of people to place a tick beside your name. They also have a number of seats at local council level up and down the country.

Calling these people names and endless cut and paste anti BNP comments isn't going to make them go away. Put pressure on the main parties to address the issues that the rank and file British public want dealt with. There is a lot of decent folk out there who are giving up asking Labour to do their job, the result was two European seats, how many more next June ?

That isn't a pro BNP comment, that is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:05 PM

The real Russ Meyer was of course a well-known limp-porn film-maker best known for things like "Beyond the Valley of the SuperVixens" and "Pussycat Dolls". The name chosen by the above poster is redolent of the fascination of some of the BNP clones with tits - to the extent of photoshopping the pictures of some of the fake BNP clone profiles on Fakebook to enhance the breasts.

The fact of the matter is that BNP support is, on a national scale, tiny, and went down in the recent Euro-elections. Where the BNP is dangerous is on the streets where its supporter thugs attack on Redwatch commands: no model for any democratic society.

If you want to see how intellectually bankrupt the BNP is, visit Nick Griffin's blog .   It is frankly beneath contempt.

Expect a rash of new rants from the xenophobes since the also ridiculous Daily Mail is sounding off about immigrants again. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of immigrants are hard working decent honest individuals.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:10 PM

Wikipedia on Russ Meyer

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:49 AM

Spleen Cringe....sorry to disappoint you, but I am as much of a radical as you are ever likely to encounter.

Radicalism today, does not consist of engineering a huge lumpen working class to ensure the future of the Capitalist system and incidentally increase their reliance on the money supply and enable their addiction to consumerism.

Capitalism has been shown recently as simply a means of robbing the populace....something radicals have known for some time.

The banks over reach themselves, through unbridled greed, made easier by the govt's search for ever increasing economic growth(a necessity for the survival of Capitalism), then the taxpayers are robbed of the funds needed to set the banks back on their feet, ready to start the cycle all over again....But not only taxpayers have been robbed, the situation has given govt the excuse to cut public spending on important social issues right across the board.

Radicals are no longer prepared to support this system, and are questioning the "Quisling" nature of "Democratic liberalism"

The important thing is not to allow ourselves to be organised for the benefit of those who rule us....defend free speech, freedom of thought, and search for happiness and fulfillment in our short time on the planet.
Humanity suffers from economic slavery right now...just as wrong as the physical slavery of other races, which we all rightly condemn...yet we all ignore the condition of society today, because "there is no other option"....no real radical would ever believe that shit!

The BNP?.....Grow up,we are all the BNP somewhere in the back of the specially prepared brains we have been given. Throughout the generations of exploitation, we have all aquired our little prejudices, along with the plasma TV, the mondeo, and the house in the suburbs.....or along with the deprivation of living with drugs, violence, teenage prostitution, in some sink estate.
The answer is not to deny those prejudices, but to get them out in the open, put them up for debate.....don't ban free speech....use it!............"Liberalism" just hates debate!...Ake

Good post Jeddy! I understood it all right!   think you might be a real radical, if you can kick the gay marriage thing!...:0)

Brucie Baby......Nobody here has seen me "pissed off"....YET!
I'm OK my friend, thanks,hope you are likewise

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:41 AM

"From: Emma B - PM
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 08:22 PM

"but they are utterly blind to discrimination on grounds of race where it occurs and dismiss the whole thing as a load of twaddle."

Sorry Lox, but our Conservative 'Cllr', mudcatter and friend is as anti racist as anyone I know.

Ok I know a generalization but ......"

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label". Facism seems more rife against the BNP than within.

MBS George

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:19 AM

MBS George. Practically every racist I've ever known has denied being a racist. The BNP deny it. The National Front deny it. But they still want to empty the country of everyone they feel doesn't belong here by virtue of the colour of their skin, and that is racism. By their deeds shall ye know them.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:27 AM

""The fact of the matter is that BNP support is, on a national scale, tiny, and went down in the recent Euro-elections. Where the BNP is dangerous is on the streets where its supporter thugs attack on Redwatch commands: no model for any democratic society.

If you want to see how intellectually bankrupt the BNP is, visit Nick Griffin's blog .   It is frankly beneath contempt.""

How many Germans thought of the Nazi party as a future government in 1928?

These scum MUST be confronted at every chance. To ignore them is to open the door to armageddon once again.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:29 AM

I don't realy care about your opinion Mr McCormick or is it Mr Bridge I have read everything you have to say and the only opinions I care about are those of my friends and you sir are not my friend. Your comments are among the most fascist I have ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:08 AM

Well said MBSGeorge, there are a lot here that share your views.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:09 AM

MBSGeorge. "you sir are not my friend"

By God. You can say that again.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:51 AM

goerge,
i understand that though you might not be racist, you have aligned yourself with a party that is. please have a look at their history. when they cannot get their way through reasonable disscusion, they bully and use violence to get what they want.
although i nearly understand the problems you face,but they are not the answer.

ake, lol :)

this problem is coming from the main parties, no question about that. but the BNP are using it to tell the public what they want to hear, not only without the slightest intention of keeping their word, but to use their power for their own nasty agenda.

this is why we cannot give up. we have to let people know that they are being used and lied to.
personally i cannot tolerate what they stand for but it is their right to say what they want, IF and it is a very big if, they are honest of their intentions from the start.

dishonesty is one of my pet hates thes same as not taking personal responsability.(?) okay it is first thing in my morning and my brain doesn't work........(fill in the blank)

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:24 AM

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes, which is more than can be said for the UAF-SWP and other advocates of "confrontation" (read intimidation and violence). The Searchlight/Hope Against Hate outfit also has a murky past.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

The BNP gets votes because in some areas of England the indigenous population is swamped by muslim immigrants who have their own agenda.How do I know that? It happened to me.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:42 AM

I'm not getting involved in this particular can of worms, but I did follow the link to Nick Griffin's blog, in which he talks about alleged vote rigging.
Speaking as one who has worked as a poll clerk at many elections locally, I consider these allegations to be compete and utter twaddle, and an insult to hard working election officials.
And that's all I wish to say.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:00 AM

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label". Facism seems more rife against the BNP than within.
It seems perverse to stand for election for a party about which you clearly know very little. The BNP is, by its own admission, a racist organisation. By endorsing its views, George, you are going to be labelled as a racist.
Have you really not followed any of the links given to the truth behind the BNP? Have you not considered any of the questions put?
If you have, and you still support the BNP, then you are a racist and a fascist, and I imagine that your circle of 'friends' will be very narrow indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,A.Rees
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:26 AM

Gervase, What people have to understand is a lot of people in Britain who voted for the Bnp at European and council level are no more a racist than I am. There is a problem in a lot of areas with Europeans.

Take the area I live. Twenty years ago it was a beautiful quiet owner/occupier residential development. If you were off on annual leave you never saw anyone as they were all working. Today it's different. Greedy land lands buy up everything that comes on the market and rent out to people who have neither respect for their property or their neighbours.

Most are from Europe. They came here to work, and they did, and worked long hours. Even that has changed. They brought their wives and girlfriends over and started rearing families. The couple next to me have three kids. He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner.

The government even pay the rent on the house he lives in and he doesn't have council tax to worry about either.

In one part alone, twelve of the fourteen houses are occupied by Europeans, few speak English and only three of the residents work. All seem to enjoy a charmed lifestyle, who is paying for it ?

This is reflected up and down the country, if you don't see this leading to problems, you must be blind.

I agree with people coming into the country to work and improve themselves and benefit our society, but come on it has got totally out of control and public services can't cope with the numbers.I am the one feeling in a minority now.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:27 AM

As for radicalism, the left abandoned the struggle against capitalism in favour of 'cultural marxism': i.e. patronising ethnic minorities, promoting 'diversity' and multiculturalism (even when those cultures are reactionary), sneering at the white working class they used to champion, and working to eliminate national boundaries. How very convenient for international capitalism and globalization.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:48 AM

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party

That year after year fail to submit their accounts on time. Just been fined another £500.00 this year, by the Electoral Commission.

They are not even competent racists.

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label".

A candidate for the BNP in Chippenham not a racist? Have you told the party?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

Gosh - looks like the BNP supporters on this site have got together to support each other.

Fairplay, MBSGeorge and a couple of guests all posting at the same time.


The case against the BNP on this site has been fully supported by testimony from the Party leader himself.

Here he gives the KKK a lecture on how to package racism in politically correct language.

Here he denies the holocaust.


Here he argues that boats containing immigrants to europe should be sunk to keep them out and the immigrants left to "go back to Libya" on life rafts.


That's just the tip of the iceberg as evidence of the BNP's vile character goes.

I will leave it to other catters to post the rest of the evidence.


MBSGeorge, Fairplay etc, do you reject Nick Griffins views as expressed in these videos or do you agree with him?


Can you provide evidence that the organizations you have discredited have anything shady about their past or are your comments fiction?



The evidence overwhelmingly shows the BNP to be a neo-Nazi political organization.


If you don't want to be described as a neo-Nazi, then don't support, sign up to or represent a neo-Nazi party.


By doing so you are making it public that you support/represent a neo--Nazi ideology.


Do you support this ideology or do you reject it?


I think this is your big opportunity to clarify this point.


I will not accept reasons, I don't care why people may or may not have turned to the BNP, I expressly wish to know if you support or reject Nick Griffins views as expressed in the above videos.

I also wish to know if you support or reject the BNP's neo-Nazi ideology.


Where do you stand George?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:52 PM

"He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner."


Please provide evidence of this?


I am a single parent. I have depended on income support, though I don't do so now and I know how much you get and I know who qualifies and who doesn't.

I am fully informed on this subject and know for a fact that your claims are not true.


Where is your evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:01 PM

For a breakdown of Engineers salaries look here

Starting salaries 18,000 to 29,000

Qualified engineers (yours was apparently skilled) 35,000 - 45,000

Experienced engineers (maybe this suits your "skilled" category) 65,000


I can tell you for a fact that a single parent receives the maximum income support at just over £50 a week. Child benefit (available to everyone) £20, child tax credit £45 a week.

Beyond that, a single parent may claim their exact rent in housing benefit.

In most cities in England this equates to about 16,000 a year.


A two parent family DOES NOT QUALIFY as only one parent is needed to provide care for the child.


So,

1, they would not qualify

2, they would not have anything like the same income as a "skilled" engineer.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:03 PM

The BNP crap that posts here doesn't give evidence. It provides allegations. Always has, always will.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:11 PM

Paco Rabanne

The BNP gets votes because in some areas of England the indigenous population is swamped by muslim immigrants who have their own agenda.How do I know that? It happened to me.

Personal experience is always valid, if it is backed up with facts. Where do you live, how long have you lived there? In what way have you personally been affected detrimentally by a "swamping" of or by anyone? I'd like to understand your viewpoint.

----------------

A Rees:

Take the area I live. Twenty years ago it was a beautiful quiet owner/occupier residential development. If you were off on annual leave you never saw anyone as they were all working. Today it's different. Greedy land lands buy up everything that comes on the market and rent out to people who have neither respect for their property or their neighbours

What area is that? Don't you think that the whole country has been affected by greedy landlords and vile neighbours? Is it peculiar to eastern Europeans?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:18 PM

A Rees:

Most are from Europe. They came here to work, and they did, and worked long hours. Even that has changed. They brought their wives and girlfriends over and started rearing families. The couple next to me have three kids. He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner.

So it *is* OK, by you, for Eastern Europeans to come here, work hard, pay taxes and contribute to our country.

But apparently they should not be allowed to raise a family?

And when things go wrong for them, they should be less entitled to state-support than any other taxpayer?

You describe the so-called "benefit trap". This is a fact of the benefits system but it has nothing to do with being Black, White, European, Christian or Muslim. Go to a "white" area and there will be x% of Aryan Volk who are in the same boat. I'm not excusing it, but it certainly isn't a reason to pick on some parts of society and to vote BNP is it?

Rees, I don't know if you are a BNP Troll or a genuine person so I am pointing out *how you sound*. Can you think about what you wrote, and how it sounds and if necessary come back and explain things better to correct any misunderstanding on my part, or by others?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:20 PM

"Immigration depresses wages but not for the liberal elite."

Fearploy posted the above a while back. STILL waiting for proof.