BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets

Subject: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: 3refs
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 08:20 AM

I listen to George Noory and Alex Jones periodically, just to see what the fringe is up to. Several months ago I remeber listening one night and Jones said "pretty soon bullets will be hard to get because the government is buying all they can".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_re_us/us_ammo_shortage

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 08:27 AM

I saw that the other day - I was especially interested in the guy who was apparently under the impression that Wild Bill Clinton had somehow banned the sale of ammo. Somehow...that slipped by me.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 09:07 AM

Oh, bull. Ask any gun dealer who has been buying bullets starting last October -- it's been gun owners. Ammunition plants are on 24/7 shifts (I know, there's one in Idaho) but the "popular" calibers -- .22s, the various .30s, .45, etc. -- are being purchased and hoarded. I've got three cases on order (.22 long rifle, for the target shooting club -- I don't want or need 15,000 rounds of ammunition sitting around); they'll arrive sometime in December.

Moreover, ammunition availability is spotty -- I can go out and buy .30-30 bullets in one store and not in another, for example.

This is a user-made shortage, the gov'mint didn't do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Amos
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 11:35 AM

There's a redneck whacko faction that has been passing around fear and trembling stories about the Obama administrations intentions to take away their guns (or similar related unfounded rumors). In my view this is what is behind the inordinate rush on ammo supplies, which has been going on since last September.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:09 PM

It's great when an industry can create their own shortage. We need to ask who is going to profit from these shortages - it's the people who make the bullets and the guns. If I was a sales rep for a gun company I'd try to create as much fear as I could with my customers. Then ask if they want to double up on their orders before we run out of stock. It's pretty slick.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:20 PM

"It's great when an industry can create their own shortage."

             The petroleum industry does it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:27 PM

Circle this date on the the calendar. Rig and I finally agreed on something.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:10 PM

Well, these fear and hate mongers are responsible for yet another death. This time it was a census worker who was hung down in Kentucky. They carved the word "Fed" in his chest.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:29 PM

Carol, I suspect that was more likely to be pot growers. The Daniel Boone National Forest is very well known by Kentuckians as a place you don't want to visit. There are some very ugly people up in them there hills.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:30 PM

Do they have a thing about the Fed?

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 02:00 PM

"Do they have a thing about the Fed?"

There were G-men, T-men, Reveenuers too,
Lookin' for the place where my pappy cooked his brew;

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 02:34 PM

But the Fed is the Federal Reserve, surely? What's that got to do with pot growing?

On the other hand, the people who are being incited by the anti-Obama people definitely have a thing about the Fed.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 02:54 PM

fed is federal agent ( or federales for those from south of the border)

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Amergin
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 02:59 PM

The Federal Reserve is not a government agency....

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:59 PM

Doesn't say anything in your constitution about a "right to bear bullets"...

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: gnu
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 05:05 PM

But, it does say don't fuck with me. I like that part.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: 3refs
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 06:35 PM

"The Federal Reserve is not a government agency...."

No more Federal, than Federal Express!

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 09:26 PM

"Ammunition plants are on 24/7 shifts..."

             It looks like Obama has done something to stimulate the economy!

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Luthier2b
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 09:27 PM

I attribute the shortages to people being concerned that Obama will follow in the footsteps of the Bush's and Clinton continuing the erosion of civil rights and civil liberties. There is a prevalent perception that restrictions and outright bans of things like tools, ammunition, and even things which are visually similar to other things (e.g. toys) are forthcoming. Only time will tell if these concerns are legitimate.

For at least 12 months there has been a shortage af many factory loaded cartridges here in the U.S. but I wonder if other countries are having this problem too. Can any of you offer some insight on this.

Bullets by themselves seem to be available for reloading albeit in a somewhat limited supply. But factory ammunition is what I am primarily aware of being in short supply.

The cost of raw materials has driven prices up too over the past few years. Primers, bullets, factory loads, and cases have gotten quite pricey.

-E

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:26 PM

Primers, powder and bullets for reloading are damned near impossible to get as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:43 PM

"people being concerned that Obama will follow in the footsteps of the Bush's and Clinton continuing the erosion of civil rights and civil liberties" I really doubt if much of it is caused by that, Luthier. Every indication I've picked up says that the demand is fueled (1) by those who percieve a threat to gun ownership rights from this administration which they didn't perceive from the Bush administration, and (2)by those who feel that the lives of white Americans are endangered because Obama was elected. The two groups are by no means mutually exclusive.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:52 PM

I buy them because a) I might go hunting again someday and b) for the P. A. Mosey Memorial Shooting Club and c) I might need them to supply myself and my wife with food if everything really does go to hell.

If any administration were to ban guns or ammunition it would be a stupid, foolish, move that would divide the US more than the Civil War did, because the divide would not be limited geographically.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 02:22 PM

People who grow pot are not out to shoot up the Federal Reserve which leads to the following conclusion, those who murdered the "Fed" don't know what the "Fed" is which means that
their senseless act of violence was misdirected as it always seems to be.

If Rapaire is right, and it was a narcotics traffic group who did the foul deed, then they are
merely opposed to the US government which makes them traitors to the country.
You could look at it that way. In other words, they were terrorists on the scale of McVeigh.

But people who grow pot have a ready market and don't need to deal with the "Feds" in the way that the moonshiners used to do. The government has not issued "revenuers" to collect taxes on the sale of pot so that argument makes no sense.

Kentucky is known for its right-wing kooks and religious whackos. It was probably the K.K.K. (Kooky Killers for Khrist).

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:20 PM

All this tells me that we are so far down one particular path, that no serious change is really possible.

I am reminded of the old joke about the guy who set out to swim the English Channel. He got ¾ of the way across and decided he couldn't make it...so he turned around and headed back.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:29 PM

"Fed" is an oral abbreviation for "Federal Agent." The Unites States Drug Enforcement Administration, along with local police agencies, have taken down meth houses and destroyed marijuana gardens for many years -- I remember it being done in the '60s. To some, anyone working for the US Government (outside of the military) is a "Fed" and probably, in the area where this happened, an agent of the DEA or BATF or the FBI. It was probably done as a "warning" to other Federal employees not to look to closely under the rocks in that area.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 05:34 PM

"It was probably done as a "warning"..."

Yep...most likely. If this guy was 'on the job', he was no doubt asking questions that folks did NOT want to answer, and they flatly don't trust that his mission was innocent.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: olddude
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:29 PM

I use to cast me own. can do it again if I need to .. Got enough powder, primers, and casings to last forever

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:43 PM

"Hey..you guys quit kicking my door in...I'm melting lead and pouring powder!" ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:53 PM

Since Obama has been President an unpresidented 9 billion rounds of ammunition has been purchased by civilians.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:27 PM

This was part of his "behind the scenes" stimulus package!

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: M.Ted
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:19 AM

As appalling as the murder is, I am wary of jumping to any conclusions. Most career criminals know that the last thing you want to do is to kill a cop, let alone a "Fed"--

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: 3refs
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 10:08 AM

I think I got censored!

[you did not sign your posts. Unsigned posts in the BS are subject to deletion]

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:31 PM

Anyone with a brain woulda snapped up the buys at the Wallymart at tha end a tha huntin season a few years back when interest rates went in tha shitter. I mean, a box a Win 12's for $4.97 (CANUCK!)??

Hot damn! I got me enough ta git all tha birds I will ever git iffin I ever hunt agin, even with my bad eyesight. And, anyone what didn't snap up the sales back then waddn't deservin on accounta this here new steel shot law is mor'n nuff reason ta git er done, no mind any shortages.

I bet that there Obama fellah never bin on his hands and knees after an ol cock what knows tha pines by name an tha alders by birth. Course, I guess that's what all the fuss is fer.

Whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 02:40 PM

Never had ta drag a moose outa a muck, neither, I'll bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 03:04 PM

Muck? Why would ya take a moozzze in muck?

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:26 PM

Personally, I've been shooting blanks since 1983.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 04:30 PM

You know, this lack of ammunition really IS a growing problem.

I cannot get shells for the 88mm Flak gun I have mounted in my backyard at ANY local outlet. I only have fifteen rounds left for it at this point. What am I supposed to do?

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

Roll yer own, mate. I have to, for the 175mm howitzer I use for squirrel hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:27 PM

Shells? SHELLS? Get one of these and many things around the house and yard are perfectly usable.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:29 PM

A gay catapultÉ

É is bugging me... Vista sucks.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:41 PM

Send me the casings. I am a master, I mix ya up whatever you need. Hot loaded even ...

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: gnu
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 05:50 PM

El Café Bandido.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:17 PM

LOL
well I also have a black belt in two styles of Karate. I used to teach it in college ... by the sounds of things lately I need to start teaching again to save the catters ... LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:21 PM

I have black belt in the art of "retreating stealthily under threat".

It has served me well.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 06:24 PM

Can't believe all the name calling lately ... good grief makes one laugh cause we will surely cry if we don't. Wish people would grow up huh.    I maybe a former expert with firearms and hand to hand but I can tell you having friends and playing music is one heck of a lot easier and a heck of lot more fun than firearms or kicks and punches.

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:44 PM

It sure is! Gonna play a LOT of music with good folks next weekend at the Getaway. I don't expect to even consider punching or kicking...much less shooting...any of 'em. *grin*...(well, maybe Bobert will need a swat to get his attention...)

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:59 PM

Can't stop laughing Bill, that was great ...

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: MuddleC
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 12:48 PM

The spring has broken on my missile silo door and Walmart doesn't have one.. looks like ebay time..

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: 3refs
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 04:48 AM

Put a request in at Elwood Epps' in Orillia. One of the worlds finest gunsmiths!
They still have lots of ammo BTW!

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: bubblyrat
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 05:24 AM

We don't call rounds of ammunition "Bullets" in Britain, we call them Cartridges,reserving the word "bullet" for the actual projectile.In fact,the complete package,viz.case,primer,propellant and projectile,would be known as a "round" in Military circles ie "The magazine capacity of the Bren gun is 30 rounds of .303 British",whilst a Civilian deer-hunter would be more likely to ask for "a box of .308 Win cartridges ,please ".
I have used a number of different shotguns over the years,and have always bought / used "Shotgun Cartridges", never "Shotgun Shells",as pleasantly alliterative as that expression may be !And always in "Bore", not "Guage---I always used "12-Bore cartridges" in my Canadian NAACO "Mallard" model hammer-action ejector,and "20-Bore cartridges " in my Mossberg Pump-action "Varichoke".
            So there !!

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 05:54 AM

Yeah there are alot of bores across the pond there....a few of which reside in buckingham palace...

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 06:44 AM

"We don't call rounds of ammunition "Bullets" in Britain,..."

                It seems like they misspell "calibre" too, and the African big game hunters don't use "powder," they us "cordite..."

Subject: RE: BS: Lots of guns, but no bullets
From: MarkS
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 12:50 PM

When the crunch does come you can buy yourself a blunderbuss. Shoots with just a bit of black powder which in a pinch can be homemade, and for the projectile, just load it up with anything near at hand.