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Subject: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,donuel Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:28 PM A perfect topic for BS. The History channel has a special called 2012 and feature 6 people who score extremely high on Sphincter scale. The highest score goes to George Noory who attributes everything to God on his radio show. Next is a guy with a terrible accent who thinks the Earth will somehow spin backwards. Several archeologists are on the fringe and finally a former NASA employee Richard Hoagland who believes there is mass and energy in other dimensions along side ours which he calls hyper dimensional theory which makes itself most evident on spining bodies. While I hold that 2012 is no more likely than any other date in the next 26,000 years to deliver a catasrophe, there are real forces at work that control the spin of our planet which can vary over a long time as well as a very short time. Basicly 2012 is mentioned in the Mayan calander and BS artists have attached themselves to the notion of the end of the world. There is mention that the axis of the Earth could suddenly change. Even Einstein mentioned that the precession or wobble of the Earth could change from something as simple as too much ice built up at the poles. If I may, I too can offer a geniusly simple explanation, the way Richard Feynman might, to see what could happen - someday. - Watch a toy gyroscope or a top as it spins with a slow wobble. Eventually it will slow and fall due to friction...BUT before it radically changes its wobble you will see a sudden large wobble and a recovery to a slow but wider wobble. That sudden wobble is like a quantum jump to a lower orbit. If the toy was the Earth that big wobble would indeed look like the upcomning movie. Absent from the History channel special are the findings that Siberia was temerate to subtropical 26,000 years ago and the change it suffered happened in minutes. Even the Mammoths were flash frozen in mid chew of their food. Antarctica at one point was temperate but this may have been due to plate tectonics alone since we do not know enough about its early fauna. Then there is a Ductch copy of a millenia old Piri Map which shows the south pole devoid of ice. So there you have my opinion. A spinning body will reach a point where a big wobble will occurs, but pinning it down to a specific year is totally absurd. that is unless we have time machines no one has told us about. PS Our theatre has two canvas posters for 2012 which are about 40 ft tall and and 22 ft wide. I would pay big money to have just one canvas to create a painting of my own on the other side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:38 PM More than you EVER wanted to know about the Mayan calendar and predictions, interpretations, speculations, fantasies, guesses, and just-plain-weirdnesses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: SINSULL Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:52 PM One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Alice Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:56 PM 2012 just another number (don't we already have a thread on this?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Becca72 Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:24 PM My own theory on why the Mayan calendar stops on that dates is that they either got writer's cramp and decided to quit, or they ran out of ink... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:34 PM There are so many different opinions and interpretations about the Mayan prediction that you could fill a very large book with them. Hollywood, of course, likes an interpretation that's as scary and disastrous as possible, because that presumably will sell a lot of tickets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:42 PM In 2012, the Great Pumpkin will end it all by exploding himself and smothering the world in squishy pumpkin innards. The suicide bomber to end all suicide bombings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Alice Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:43 PM Good one, Q. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: katlaughing Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:26 PM Which brings me to a joke my almost six-years old grandson told me the other day: Morgan: Mama, what would you do for Halloween if there weren't ANY pumpkins in the whole, wide world?! Me: I dunno, Morgan, what? Morgan: Make a jack o'lettuce! He'd heard it on some kids' show and thought it was just hilarious! 2012...who knows. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Rapparee Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:26 PM Let's see...that's the next Presidential election her in the US, and neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to lose the White House, so the disaster will be whoever is elected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bobert Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:42 PM Revelations will kick in and Ms Sarah and Joe the Plumber will win the election and God will come down and take all the Christains with him leaving the planet to the followers of new administration... The Oakland Raiders will also win the Superbowl... Oughtta be an interesting year... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:54 PM Maybe by 2012, I'll be able to figure out why we need two threads on this subject.... (I guess Alice refreshed the old one instead of just linking to it. Oh, well...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:02 PM I didn't think there was anything to this 2012 stuff than I found out that THIS HORRIFYING PREDICTER OF DISASTER will make its next appearance then signaling the end of the world!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:03 PM I'm betting that there will be a Constitutional Amendment in 2011 allowing people not born in the USA to run for president and VP. Arnold Schwarzenneger and Sarah Palin will team up for the Republicans against Chongo Chimp and William Shatner for the APP while Hilary and Bill will run for the Democrats, Obama having very wisely decided to retire into a monastery in Belize. The election will be too close to call. The Supreme Court will have to decide the winner and will attempt to split the difference fairly by appointing all 6 of the candidates to the office of president on an 8 monthly rotating basis, the order of service to be determined by lot until 2016. The country will go totally berserk with rioting and open warfare in the streets. All troops will be called home from overseas to try to put down the insurrection. The shit will merrily hit the fan in 2012-2014. By the end of 2014 you will see the demise of the USA as the former country splits up into 4 new regional entities, one of them ruled over by chimpanzees and gorillas. Chicago will become the new capital of American Apeland, and Chongo Chimp will be declared "President For Life". Schwarzenner and Palin will marry and run Pacifica with an iron hand from its new capital, Hollywood. Hilary and Bill will rule as the new King and Queen of the Greater District of Columbia and their empire will stretch from New York down the eastern seaboard to the tip of Florida, as well as taking up much of the Deep South. The smaller New England states will join Canada. The Southwest will turn into a lawless open range taken over by drug gangs, body-piercing cowboy tattoists, and Texan oil barons who will make frequent armed raids into both Mexico and the former USA areas on their nothern, western, and eastern borders. Mexico will build a wall to keep the rampaging rednecks out. Chongo will appeal to the U.N. for aid to assist the first non-specist nation in the world's history. It will be a very interesting time to live through...if you survive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Rapparee Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:14 PM Idaho will invade Alberta, begging to be taken into the fold "or else." Sasquatch will be elected to lead the new Northwest Territories, which will have war declared upon them by the Northwest Territories -- the outcome will create the North Northwest Territories and the South Nortwest Territories. Ohio will slide into Lake Erie and Pennsylvania will slide over West Virginia, tying up all of the lawyers in the world in property rights cases for the next century. Rising sea levels will make Tennessee a seacoast, and the Memphis blues will refer to fish, not music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM I dunno Guys......All that sounds pretty bad but Donny Most still scares the livin' shit out of me............... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:57 PM Sure, man...but your judgement is questionable. Know what I'm sayin'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Ebbie Date: 13 Nov 09 - 07:21 PM "Let's see...that's the next Presidential election her in the US, and neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to lose the White House, so the disaster will be whoever is elected." Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Sarah Palin. (Bobert, I'm not worried about Joe the Plumber. If Palin is qualified, certainly he is too.) "One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it." Sinsull That's a GREAT line |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Stower Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:03 PM I am in England and have never heard of Donny Most. Someone please explain. It seems perfectly sensible to me to believe vague predictions from the distant past from a country I've never been to by pre-scientific people I know nothing about, that have contradictory interpretations by people with no evidence base today. Who could argue with that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:14 PM Donny Most left me cold, too. Any relation to Donuel? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:40 PM I have no idea what the Donny Most thing is about or why it's even supposed to be funny, and I don't care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:59 PM The History Channel—or should that be the Hysteria Channel?—seems to have gone a bit wonky lately. Lots of concentration on Nostradamus, Armageddon, the Mayan calendar, and other pretty woo-woo stuff, intermingled with some good science programs, like the Universe series. To be specific, that's December 21, 2012, or 12/21/12 (that's a Wednesday, incidentally). The internet is full of this stuff. Just google "2012" and take your pick from the selections offered. Saying that the world will end when the Mayan calendar runs out is like saying the world will end when your 2009 calendar runs out at midnight, December 31st. Or that when your odometer ticks over the crucial mile and your warranty runs out, your car will stop running—(Okay, bad example!). Nostramdus's enigmatic verses can mean just about anything anyone wants them to mean. Not unlike the I Ching (I once had a girl throw the bones for me and look up my destiny in the I Ching. "When the wind blows, the dragon lashes its tail." Umm—Yeah, that tells me a lot. . . ). From time to time, the earth's magnetic poles do change "polarity." But when that happens, the only way one would notice is that one's magnetic compasses would go goofy, and migratory birds would get a bit confused. Examination of the alternation of polarity in ferrous metals show that this has happened a number of times in the earth's past and will undoubted happen again. But there is no way of predicting when, and unless I was on my luxury yacht far out to sea and relying solely on my compass to navigate, I wouldn't sweat it. This does not mean that the planet itself is going to do a complete 180 degree flip, producing enormous tsunamis, winds, and earthquakes. Sorry! Earth-orbit crossing asteroids. Oh, yeah, we've been hit a number of times. The dinosaur killer, the Arizona meteor crater, and I'm told Hudson's Bay looks a bit suspicious, as if it was actually formed as an impact crater. And it will probably happen again, but the earth-orbit crossing asteroids that astronomers know about and are currently tracking don't fit the 12/21/12 schedule, and astronomers and NASA are formulating plans to deal with any that look dangerous. But some of the 12/21/12 doomsayers claim to know (how, I wonder) about at least one asteroid the astronomers don't know about, and this one is real cute. It has a characteristic that is not known among asteroids in general. And that is that it is "ionically charged" and that even if it doesn't hit the earth, it will cause the atmosphere to explode into a ball of flame. Can any physicist or chemists out there tell my how this is supposed to work? One of my favorites is that all kinds of ghastly things will happen when the earth crosses the "galactic equator" on 12/21/12. Pole flipping, the sun going supernova (it's not big enough to do that), the earth's atmosphere bursting into flame (again!), worldwide attacks of the hiccups, and things to fierce to mention. There are several problems with this. First, the galactic equator is a strictly arbitrary line, and where it is depends on which astronomer you talk to. No general agreement. Second, a few astronomers do place it about 110 light years due south. So to cross that particular version of the galactic equator on December 21, 2012, first, we'd have to be moving toward it and a fairly acute angle, and we'd really have to be movin'! Exceeding the speed of light by quite a bit. When, in actuality, the earth, complete with the rest of the solar system, is moving toward the constellation Orion at a stately speed of nine miles per second. Hardly a crawl in astronomical terms. As to the effect that crossing an equator has, if anyone out there (and I imagine there are a few) has crossed the earth's equator, did anything much happen? Did you suddenly flip end over end? Did your nose hairs burst into flame? Did your normally concave belly-button suddenly become convex!? I thought not. And black holes. Let's not forget about black holes! I am an old enough geezer that I have managed to survive the predicted End of the World on several occasions. So I'm not going to get into a lather over— POOF!!Be Afraid! Be VERY afraid!Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Nov 09 - 09:09 PM Sinsull- "One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it." Well said. I'm sure I'll be too busy that day to pay much attention. I'll be painting the living room! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:17 PM ""One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it." And if things run true to form, we'll hear about it first on Mudcat.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:47 PM Yeah, Don, I once crossed the equator. I realized the crucial moment had occurred when...I suddenly flipped end over end, my nose hairs burst into flames, and my normally concave belly-button suddenly become convex! It was horrifying. I do NOT recommend crossing the equator unless you absolutely must do it for something really important...like attending a Star Trek convention, for instance. By the way, you can reverse the belly button thing by returning back the other way. Thank God. I don't think I could have lived with that convex belly button for the rest of my life without experiencing crippling insecurity. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,donuel Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:53 PM Thanks to LH Don Firth and Sinsull for amusing and/or meaningfull posts. The shifting of our magnetic pole is evidenced by clay and pottery which shows shifts of every 60,000 years or so. The great wobble I speak of needs more evidence other than that which could be confused with plate tectonic movement or great impacts. Early Earth used to spin so fast that days and nights were only 4 hours long. After an impact, possibly our moon, it slowed to 14 hour days. It has slowed ever since due to tidal drag and other forces. The dinosaurs enjoyed a 22 hour day. We continue to slow our spin just as the moon continues to drift farther away by about a centimeter every year. I theorize that as the spin slows there are critical periods of re adjustment of the slowed spin and precession. Yes I study the behavior of tops and gyros for fun. I was in hopes that others here also have a similar childish curiosity and have also noticed this great wobble just before the spin re-adjusts itself to another lower energy state of a slightly wider wobble than its precedant wobble. PS Q was my favorite STNG character. As for the mudcat Q, I have no opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,hg Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM I believe the Mayans actually ran out of STONE and that is why the calendar ends at 2012... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:20 PM Yes, Donuel, I've seen that phenomenon with gyroscopes (the great wobble just before the spin re-adjusts itself). Such a great wobble in the planet Earth's spin would certainly have some notable effects down here, wouldn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM Y'all are just totally screwed up here. I'm tellin' ya' that the Donny Most thing just scares the livin' hell outta' me!!!! If that fucker pops up in 2012, we're fucked........................ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: gnu Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:24 PM Opie will show and kick his ass and save the world, Spaw... well... your world, Mostly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM Who the hell is Donny Most anyway? And why would Opie kick his ass? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: gnu Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:33 PM Just for happier days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:10 PM LOL @gnu.........."Happy Days" ......a sitcom about life in the late fifties, early sixties. Starred Ron Howard (Opie from Andy Griffith) and Henry Winkler as "The Fonz." It was one of the longest running #1 rated shows when it was on. Donny Most, aseriously mediocre actor or worse, played a character named Ralph Malph. Seth likes to take shots at damn near everything on "Family Guy" and this one just cracked me up. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,Falco Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:47 AM Excellent film, really enjoyed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: skarpi Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:41 AM well all , To be specific, that's December 21, 2012, or 12/21/12 (that's a Wednesday, incidentally).?????????????? What if those number s means something else , we´ll never know . but I ´ll die when I´ll die , 2012 , or what any other year I ment to go . I have no fear to 2012 , those who are afraid should not be , becouse one thing we can be sure about we will all die and we should not be afraid of it . and why in earth should we , I am britty sure we will go to better place . Be not afraid to fear , if you do it will eat you alive from inside . have a great weekend , enjoy your live ,love your love ones, hug them kiss them, tell them you love them, becouse what you have today you may not have tomorrow ,live- its shorter than you think time travel s fast now a days . all the best and love to you all , Skarpi Iceland . |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Paul Burke Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:42 AM I predict that in 2012 someone will publish a book predicting the end of the world a decade or so later, and it will sell in millions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Rapparee Date: 21 Nov 09 - 11:39 AM I have it on good authority that England will start impressing American seamen again and we'll have to fight the War of 1812 all over again. This time the US will invade England, England will surrender, and the US will promptly return the country to its rightful owners, the Dutch/Lichtenstein Coalition. This will anger Andorra (which claims the White Tower) and will start what will be called "The EU Spat". Monte Carlo will toss in its chips early and Vatican City will pray that everyone stop it RIGHT NOW OR ELSE. Luxembourg will eventually negotiate the Peace of Grand Fenwick, and England will end up paying and annual tribute of one kippered herring and a single rose to the Isle of Jersey. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:52 PM You lot over there are just having a hissy-fit coz it's our turn for the Olympics. Just butt out & bugger off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:57 PM You, sir, are a right tosser and a flamin' bloody wanker as well. Sod off! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:02 PM Luv U 2 x❤x♥x kiss·kiss (BTW - we all know what thread·drift is - is there a term for this sort of thread·combo? Or did I just invent it?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:16 PM Sorry -- almost forgot - LoL §;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:53 PM 2012 ÷ 4 = 503 U reek a! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:18 PM 2012 divided by 666 = OMG its towoo its all towoo 30.0210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:49 PM That is scary, Donuel! Quick! Write a bestselling book of prophecy about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:40 PM I am embarrased to admit it but in my twenties I divided every major date in history by 666 in search of anything funny. It turned out to be me but as one could expect, some results were funnier than others. Prophecy is a dish best served annonymously. You can still be attacked for such things today. However the MIT "EGG" experiment and countless other experiments have proven that the larger the consciousness that is involved in a future event the more that info leaks backwards in time. There is something to the idea that consciousness goes against the grain of time. Just look at Y2K... oh yeah well never mind that. Look at 2032 and you will...umm that one hasn't even happened yet. Oh well I'm sure you have your own successful personal prophecy that lends credence to prophecy....did you hear that? ... see the phone rang. But seriously, I make a large distinction between the hoopla of "egoized" prophecy and the notion of non linear information theory which allows for a reversal in time. Prophecy is pure putrid BS and the other is only slightly smelly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:11 AM Time may be made of very stretchy stuff. The EGG experiment is being done in the US and now in Edinbourough http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=178147&start=0 It is a random number generator. What is interesting is that the randomness of the generated numbers loses its grasp on randomness and produces cohesive series of non random numbers right before key events that catch the mass attention of the people on our planet. The events have been 9-11, OJ verdict (the 1st one) and election nights. Why random number generators become non random prior to and during events that gain mass consciousness is unclear but does suggest that consciousness may have an effect not only upon observations of the very smallparticles vs waves but on a large scale when many minds are involved. The mystery of why a potential energy field collapses to a single point upon observation has not been solved by anyone yet alive. It is perhaps one of the best mysteries we have today. Theorized control of historic time (a time machine) was explained by Michiu Kaku who said if we take a very large mass and place it at an event horizon of a black hole for a very long time, then bring it back to Earth and set it near its twin that has been sitting on Earth the whole time, we would have a time difference between the two massive globes that could be as much as a 1,000 years apart. Going back and forth between the two could yield some very interesting results as far as seeminly going back in time. Going forward and bringing back information may not be the sole domain of futurists and the predictive prowess of people in the future. We might have machines for that. Breaking the time barrier will simultaneously break the distance barrier to the great distances of cosmic travel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:26 AM 2012 ——— The London Olympics. How many times do I have to tell you that is what is significant about the date!? Just forget all this other bollocks, will you? [And, Little Hawk - just you butt right out this time, you hear!?] |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Nov 09 - 10:57 AM Not much pottery from 60 000 years ago, but the magnetic flip will be a catastrophe when it happens. Before the new polarity is established, the weak or absent field will not be deflecting harmful radiation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:19 PM Don't make me get out the rubber knuckles, MtheGM! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: skarpi Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:21 PM the magnetic flip will be a catastrophe when it happens. it has happen before , not long ago either so we are still here . kv Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:29 PM Not scared of you, Little Hawk. Ya ya lollilegs, all wind 'n'piss. Non-LoL --- :—< |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:31 PM What will happen when the Earth reverses polarity is that everybody's gender will flip too. All the men will become women, all the women will become men. (Though Elton John and a few other individuals will remain...ummm...well, a bit ambiguous.) Should be interesting. But we'll all have to go out and buy a new wardrobe. Hmmm. Well, it should benefit the economy, I suppose. Now I'm trying to imagine Bobert as a "womanz". Sheesh. This is a really tough one to contemplate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:20 PM According to Wikipedia: The last Maya states, the Itza polity of Tayasal and the Ko'woj city of Zacpeten, were continuously occupied and remained independent of the Spanish until late in the 17th century. They were finally subdued by the Spanish in 1697. So, the time span between the end of Mayan civilization (1697) and the end of the Mayan calendar (2012) is 315 years. This is a significant number because it takes roughly 4.5 hours to drive 315 miles on most US interstate highways, and 4.5 hours is the maximum time a normal person can spend in an automobile without a restroom break. If the end of the world were scheduled for 2512 instead of 2012, that would be a span of 815 years, and nobody can drive 815 miles without peeing in his pants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 22 Nov 09 - 03:04 PM Well, actually, when the magnetic poles flip, the only other things that will flip will be the folks who are deeply disappointed when nothing else happens. Well, no, probably not. The folks who thrive on this kind of stuff, mainly, I guess, to try to inject some excitement in their otherwise dull lives, are unembarrassable. They'll just cobble up a brand new cataclysm. I don't know if they know nothing is going to happen and just like to stir up excitement or if they're suffering from some sort of Cosmic paranoia. Probably some of each and a little of both. Maybe there's a good paper for a psychology student in this. Being an ancient geezer, I've lived through a number of such "end of the world" deadlines. Invariably, such predictions are based on scientific ignorance. I don't believe astronomers have found any "ionized" asteroids (and what does that mean, anyway?), other than a collision with another planet-sized body, there is no force I can think of that would cause the earth to flip upside down, the sun is a normal, very stable G-spectrum main-sequence star and it's not large enough to go nova, let alone supernova. It's possible that there may be an earth-orbit crossing asteroid out there on a collision course with the earth that astronomers don't know about (and they've been tracking them lately and have them pretty well cataloged), but if they don't know about them, then how do the doomsayers?? See you all on December 22, 2012. Let's have a beer together and toast the next end of the world scenario. Don Firth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 22 Nov 09 - 03:35 PM "...nobody can drive 815 miles without peeing in his pants." I can....but the minute I get OUT of the car, I will probably fail to make the 50 feet to the toilet! I can sit still for an amazing length of time...even drinking beer, but I pay for it! ------------------------------------------------------------- "...we'll all have to go out and buy a new wardrobe" naawwww...just a huge trading session! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bobert Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:22 PM Womanz, my butt... Heck, I was goin' to do the sex-change op a few years back just so that I could have all the stuff that I enjoy the most but then I went to see this counselor... I didn't know that you had to see one of them before you can do the change but you do... Well, at least at the joint where I went... So, this counselor says to me "Hate to tell ya, Bobert, but after the operation your horrormones are going to change and so you ain't gonna be interested in those things they are getting ready to give you and plus, you'll end up thinking like a woman." Well, that's the way I remember it... Heck I was willing to take a chance on the first part but "thinking" like a woman??? Are you nuts??? Heck, if I had to think like a womanz fir just a day I'd prolly volunteer to Iraq, 'er lethal injection study, 'er both... Now I find out that in 2012 I'll be lookin' at those bra ads with a new set of eyes??? Like a buyer??? This is too much fir me to fathom??? Wonder what the age cut-off is for Iraq duty??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:46 PM You won't need to see that counselor after 2012, Bobert! And you won't have to pay either. What a deal, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bobert Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM What??? Free bras??? What else they gonna be givin' away, LH??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Ed T Date: 22 Nov 09 - 05:07 PM All these predictions over 2012. Looks like the only way through it is to raise taxes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Nov 09 - 05:19 PM Taxes can easily be raised, Ed, simply by the process of inflation...and this has been done for a very long time by the Federal Reserve and the major banks and the political system by creating vast amounts of money out of thin air (through issuing bonds and making loans). The money inflates the currency, driving up prices and weakening the dollar. It adds to the national debt, which creates further debt in interest charges. This form of taxation enriches the banks and the Fed and funds the government, but it is invisible as taxation to the general public, so the politicians can even lower the official taxes to get votes and still end up taxing the public more heavily than they did before. And they have done so. Over and over again. And people don't comprehend that that is taxation, because it isn't called taxation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Stower Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:12 AM I literally cannot believe some of what I'm reading here. So there's a generalised something called consciousness that is a separate thing to the consciousness of any one sentient being? You know I am sentient because you can converse with me in a meaningful way. That's how you know you are senitent, too. How do we show or demonstrate the existence of this generalised, non-specific, non-specified, vague, it's-everywhere-and-it's-nowhere consciousness? Show me where it is in a way that is falsifiable. That would give it some sort of scientific credence. And time is stretchy and goes backwards? Time is not a reified thing, an object, or an event: it is an idea, a construct to help us understand the constant fluctations and changes in the world. All the measurements of time - seconds, minutes, hours, days - are human constructs we agree to because they work for us (and have been changed many times to make these constructs work better). Changes in the world happen because of decisions made by sentient beings and by growth, decay or change in the natural world. None of this is predictable in any sure way, as there are literally billions of tiny little decisions, growths, decays and changes happening constantly. So one event leads to another - forwards. To conceive that events can be charted in a linear fashion ***that can be made to play 'forwards' or 'backwards'*** is to mistake our helpful mental constructs for the real thing. And that's why any fortune-telling or prophesy is necessarily bunkum. Funny how they're always predicted *after* it happens. Go on, someone give me a bit of the Mayan text or Nostradamus or *anything* and give me a specific concrete example of something that will happen in the future. It must be in the future. I want the specific date, time, nation, persons involved, event, and consequences, linked unambiguiously to Nostradamus or whatever it is you choose. We'll get it published so all the relevant people can take action in the light of that future event. But then if, as a result of that, the event doesn't happen, it would prove to be a fake prophesy, wouldn't it? And if it does happen, precisely as predicted, then I, for one, will be mightily impressed. But even then we couldn't prove that it wasn't a self-fulfilling prophesy that happened because the idea was put in someone's head. In other words, these prophetic fantasies may be good fun. But don't mistake them for reality. There are more important things in the world that we really *do* know about that need sorting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amos Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:55 AM Explanation of Don (Donny) Most. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:04 PM You want "proof" of the consciousness that pervades the entire Universe, Stower???? Ah--Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ;-) You are like unto a flea or a tick that demands intellectual dominion over the entire globe and all its creatures and insists that he will not be satisfied until he gets it...and that if he can't hold the world in the palm of his tiny hand, as it were, it's not real. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amos Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:22 PM Consciousness is a funny beast, and it seems to intermingle at accelerated rates as it expands. The man-from-mud school don't want to know about these odd phenomena because they are inherently subjective and can't be falsified according to the good old-fashioned rules of physical science. Mainly because the Lakovian framing for hard science doesn't fit for consciousness, which refuses to hold still for such furbelows and fripperies. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:51 PM A great fatigation. ZZZZZZZZ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:59 PM All hands listen-up! Just noted this google add at the botton of the thread: "2008: God's last warning. The downfall of the US has begun with economic collapse being first. www.the-end.com" Has God issued a reprieve? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:24 PM God is engaging in a little emotional blackmail, that's all. He wants an end to three things: 1. McDonald's "restaurants" 2. rap music 3. the electoral college When those demands are met, God will let the USA off the hook. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amos Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:48 PM And if you'll throw in CHongo and the Shat, he'll forgive Canada, too. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:40 PM Never. Rather woulds't I die, torn apart by wild beasts and my privy parts thrown to the dogs and my reputation damned for all eternity than deny Chongo Chimp and William Shatner!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amos Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:51 PM You got it!! And both sides are content with the bargain, too. Mwahahahahaha. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:11 PM I don't think the Mayans were that smart. If they were so samrt they might still have an advanced civilization. (Actually the Mayans today while living a life of hard work and burden, enjoy a down to earth beautiful landscape... compared to NJ) If they were so smart they may have had some vaccine technology to prevent dieing by the tens of millions when the Spaniards brought over dozens of diseases, not to mention Sapish maritime prowess and weapon technology. If they were so smart there would not not be such ambigouity about their calender. Mayans cutting their forskins to make a blood sacrifice to the Sun God everyday oe mass beheading ceremonies is probably less wacky than the Rapture or the pedophila culture in the Vatican but it just doesn't seem smart to me. Is a magnetic pole reversal about every 60,000 years? Doesn't it take many decades to end once begun? Having a factor 12,000 sun block lotion would be little help to most plants and animals. I bet it does give mutations a big kick. SOme say the mag reversal has already begun in isolated areas of the planet. If one of those is in Alaska, it would explain some of the mutations I've seen on book tours lately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:48 PM Arg, I think I'm already gettin ploe reversed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Nov 09 - 01:16 AM Oh, you sly devil, Amos. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amos Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:07 AM Most prophets of doom come from a religious perspective, though the secular crowd has caused its share of scares as well. One thing the doomsday scenarios tend to share in common: They don't come to pass. Here are 10 that didn't pan out, so far: The Prophet Hen of Leeds, 1806 History has countless examples of people who have proclaimed that the return of Jesus Christ is imminent, but perhaps there has never been a stranger messenger than a hen in the English town of Leeds in 1806. It seems that a hen began laying eggs on which the phrase "Christ is coming" was written. As news of this miracle spread, many people became convinced that doomsday was at hand — until a curious local actually watched the hen laying one of the prophetic eggs and discovered someone had hatched a hoax. The Millerites, April 23, 1843 A New England farmer named William Miller, after several years of very careful study of his Bible, concluded that God's chosen time to destroy the world could be divined from a strict literal interpretation of scripture. As he explained to anyone who would listen, the world would end some time between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844. He preached and published enough to eventually lead thousands of followers (known as Millerites) who decided that the actual date was April 23, 1843. Many sold or gave away their possessions, assuming they would not be needed; though when April 23 arrived (but Jesus didn't) the group eventually disbanded—some of them forming what is now the Seventh Day Adventists. Mormon Armageddon, 1891 or earlier Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, called a meeting of his church leaders in February 1835 to tell them that he had spoken to God recently, and during their conversation he learned that Jesus would return within the next 56 years, after which the End Times would begin promptly. Halley's Comet, 1910 In 1881, an astronomer discovered through spectral analysis that comet tails include a deadly gas called cyanogen (related, as the name imples, to cyanide). This was of only passing interest until someone realized that Earth would pass through the tail of Halley's comet in 1910. Would everyone on the planet be bathed in deadly toxic gas? That was the speculation reprinted on the front pages of "The New York Times" and other newspapers, resulting in a widespread panic across the United States and abroad. Finally even-headed scientists explained that there was nothing to fear. Pat Robertson, 1982 In May 1980, televangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson startled and alarmed many when — contrary to Matthew 24:36 ("No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven...") he informed his "700 Club" TV show audience around the world that he knew when the world would end. "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world," Robertson said. Heaven's Gate, 1997 When comet Hale-Bopp appeared in 1997, rumors surfaced that an alien spacecraft was following the comet — covered up, of course, by NASA and the astronomical community. Though the claim was refuted by astronomers (and could be refuted by anyone with a good telescope), the rumors were publicized on Art Bell's paranormal radio talk show "Coast to Coast AM." These claims inspired a San Diego UFO cult named Heaven's Gate to conclude that the world would end soon. The world did indeed end for 39 of the cult members, who committed suicide on March 26, 1997. Nostradamus, August 1999 The heavily obfuscated and metaphorical writings of Michel de Nostrdame have intrigued people for over 400 years. His writings, the accuracy of which relies heavily upon very flexible interpretations, have been translated and re-translated in dozens of different versions. One of the most famous quatrains read, "The year 1999, seventh month / From the sky will come great king of terror." Many Nostradamus devotees grew concerned that this was the famed prognosticator's vision of Armageddon. Y2K, Jan. 1, 2000 As the last century drew to a close, many people grew concerned that computers might bring about doomsday. The problem, first noted in the early 1970s, was that many computers would not be able to tell the difference between 2000 and 1900 dates. No one was really sure what that would do, but many suggested catastrophic problems ranging from vast blackouts to nuclear holocaust. Gun sales jumped and survivalists prepared to live in bunkers, but the new millennium began with only a few glitches. May 5, 2000 In case the Y2K bug didn't do us in, global catastrophe was assured by Richard Noone, author of the 1997 book "5/5/2000 Ice: the Ultimate Disaster." According to Noone, the Antarctic ice mass would be three miles thick by May 5, 2000 — a date in which the planets would be aligned in the heavens, somehow resulting in a global icy death (or at least a lot of book sales). Perhaps global warming kept the ice age at bay. God's Church Ministry, Fall 2008 According to God's Church minister Ronald Weinland, the end times are upon us-- again. His 2006 book "2008: God's Final Witness" states that hundreds of millions of people will die, and by the end of 2006, "there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history. By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, and no longer exist as an independent nation." As the book notes, "Ronald Weinland places his reputation on the line as the end-time prophet of God." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 09 - 12:34 PM I have to add Chongo's prediction for the end of the world on July 7 of 2009. He woke up in the morning with a massive hangover from the revels of the night before (he had received a large payment for a successfully concluded case and gone out on the town). After a number of hasty trips to the washroom and lengthy periods of prayer before the porcelain god, he informed me in funerial tones that "the end is near". When I pressed him for further details, he simply said, "It's the end of the world" and staggered off to bed. He was wrong. It's now almost December of '09 and we're all still here and everything is fine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM "...and everything is fine." Oh?
--------------------------------------------------------- I have worked out a grand theory uniting ALL the various ideas of "the end", and I can confidently predict that the Earth will be destroyed on 347,881,063 AD...at 7:30 PM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:17 PM "Earth will be destroyed on 347,881,063 AD...at 7:30 PM." Will that be on standard time or daylight savings? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:21 PM Ahhh...sorry, left out the date! May 23... so DST, |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM Good. I hate to see a prediction that is vague on specifics. I'm glad you've alerted me as to what is to occur, Bill, and I can now make suitable preparations. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM Scene: University of Washington. Survey of Astronomy class for non-science majors. Prof (after describing the death throes of the sun when it has used up all its fuel, temporarily bloats into a red giant, consuming all the inner planets including the earth, then finally shrinks into a white dwarf hardly bigger than the earth itself, and continues to burn dimly for another several billion years): "Considering the present mass of the sun, this will not happen for another five to seven billion years." Hand goes up in the back row. Student (nervously): "How long did you say it would be before this happens!??" Prof: "Five to seven billion years." Student: "Oh! Thank God!! I thought you said 'five to seven million years!'" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bobert Date: 25 Nov 09 - 05:34 PM Yo, LH... Well, the Wes Ginny Slide Rule has come up with a new theory on that sex change thing is gonna be opposite betweeen the northern ans southern hemnispheres... Has somethin' to do with the way the water swirls in the toilets... You knowm that counter-clockwise thing and chromosomes... Hey, don't ask me... I don't unnerstand the toilet thing 'er the sex thing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 09 - 06:39 PM That's okay, Bobert. People can engage in sex quite effectively whether they understand it or not. That's why the population keeps increasing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Rasener Date: 25 Nov 09 - 06:47 PM We have banned our 14 year old from seeing 2012. Being Autistic, she is taking it literally and is so worried, even though we are laughing it off. Its not nice to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 09 - 07:21 PM I've decided not to see it because of two reasons: 1. I have walked out of 2 or 3 past Roland Emmerich films totally disgusted that I just wasted a few dollars and a piece of my time on something of absolutely no merit whatsoever. 2. At least half the reviews of it by various members of the public on imdb.com say basically the same thing as I did above. I haven't read so many damning reviews of a movie from ordinary viewers in a long time....they make for some pretty funny reading! (although everyone agrees that the special effects are very good...but just about nothing else is...just the special effects). This time Roland Emmerich has managed to digitally destroy everything on the entire planet, so he may have run out of things to wreck in his further movies...unless he goes for the end of the whole Universe next time. ;-) He is the absolute master of spectacular visual excess utterly devoid of meaningful content. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:37 AM Hey, people! Please go to IMDB.com and look up the page for the movie "2012". Then read the reviews given by the unfortuate public who went to see it. Very funny! Set the filter for "hated it" and read one-star review after one-star review about what must be one of the stupidest movies of all time. Roland Emmerich has outdone himself this time. Here's a quote from one magazine review of 2012: "Final Synopsis: 2012 sucks. But if you're a moron, you're going to love it. The scenes of destruction are wonderful… but you've seen them all in the trailer. The only thing left to see is the bloated and bland corpse of the world that Emmerich leaves behind. If you think that's worth 2 and a half hours of your time, you should probably leave and never come back to this website again… no… seriously… get the fuck out." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 11 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM Trust all of you Americans to be to be so parochail. Don't you know that a real disaster will unfold here, in the UK, in 2012, and there's not a thing that we can do to avert it! It's called the London Olympics - and for months we will have to put up with wall-to-wall sport (arrrggghhh!!!!). Every time I switch on the telly all I will be able to see will be a lot of skinny people hopping about adjusting tiny shorts over their bony buttocks. Every few hours they will pointlessly run around a track and 'talking heads' will spend further hours, equally pointlessly, discussing why one skinny person ran around the track a few fractions of a second faster than some other skinny person. Inevitably someone from Ethiopia or Kenya will be faster than everyone else - and I don't need to be Nostrodamus to predict that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:36 PM I feel your pain, Shimrod. ;-) Have you considered moving to Canada before that happens so you can just avoid the whole damned thing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bill D Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:50 PM "..all I will be able to see will be a lot of skinny people hopping about adjusting tiny shorts over their bony buttocks." Weightlifting! (and those Ethiopians & Kenyans run LONGER...the Jamacians run faster.. *grin*) (We had the games in Atlanta a few years ago... we KNOW how overwhelming it can be...be we also have between 25 & 400 cable channels to choose from.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:33 PM Absolutely, BillD - watching the Olympics, or reading the results in the paper, &c, are entirely voluntary activities you know, Shimrod. You don't have to be interested if you don't want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Amergin Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:54 PM Well I predict that in 2012 there will be mass suicide as these odd end of the world cults drink the kool aid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:55 PM There will undoubtedly be a few suicides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 11 Jan 10 - 05:18 PM Canada! Now there's a thought. All those woods and lakes with not a runner in sight. But knowing my luck I'd probably get eaten by a bear or scalped by the Ojibwa ... As for "Weightlifting!" - I know that Olympians do weightlifting - but on British telly all they ever seem to show is f***ing track events - or rather the preliminary hopping about and shorts adjusting prior to the track events. Sometimes, if you're patient enough, someone might actually run - BUT I'M NOT F***ing PATIENT ENOUGH - I DON'T F***ing CARE!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Donuel Date: 12 Jan 10 - 01:24 PM Autistic symptoms in my son such as literalism has made me drop much of my around the house satire and has forced me to explain things in a step by step fashion. It has helped me communicate better with other grown up literalists in the neighborhood. Maybe its me but it seems most literalists grow up to become Republicans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: bubblyrat Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM I worry because ,in the next two years,lots of "wind turbines"are due to be built,especially around the coast of Great Britain. Nobody seems to have considered the detrimental effect that this folly could have on the Earth's rotation----it is obviously going to SLOW IT DOWN, it's simple physics,I mean,PLEASE, forget this silly idea and drill for more oil, it's the only way.You know I'm right ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:09 PM Will you twits please focus on the damned movie???? Here's another delightful review of it: I was well aware that this movie would be about over-the-top action and CGI only and so I decided to shut down my brain to stand-by and direct all available blood to the eyes and ears. A technique that works perfectly for classic Bruce Willis or Arnie films giving you 2 hours of entertainment and fun. Unfortunately this time it did not work. "2012" delivers so many low blows to a homo sapiens' mind that some kind of subconscious alarm must have been triggered that woke up my brain to avoid any permanent damage. Then the real suffering began. You don't expect to get a good script with witty dialog and good storytelling in movies like this - and you don't get it. You don't expect the best and most convincing actors in the world in movies like this - and you don't get them. Woody Harrelson being the only exception. You probably don't expect the best editing, lighting, costume designing etc. in movies like this - and you don't get them. You DO expect overwhelming visuals in this kind of movies - you get them partially. You DO expect thrills and suspense and surprises in this kind of movies - you don't get them. Roland Emmerich artfully manages to make watching the end of the world in monumental pictures a thoroughly boring experience. Why? Because this film never touches you in any way. The main characters remain shallow throughout the whole 158 minutes. Some are just not interesting, others are so overdrawn (Yuri, Tamara) that you just can't think of them as real people. The story does not develop and lead to something you did not expect. There is no flow. Ridiculous action scenes alternate with pathetic, kitschy good-bye talks that fail to catch you because NO actual human being would ever talk or act in the ways depicted here. There is no realism at all in virtually any scene of the film so how could you manage to connect to it? But the worst of all is the awkward exaggeration in EVERYTHING shown on the screen. It is nice to see a nail-biting last-second escape in a movie. Seeing your main characters taking a one-in-a-million chance every ten minutes is revolting. It is an insult to your intelligence. In this respect "2012" has set a new standard. It makes all four "Indiana Jones" movies look like documentaries. Who cares for the laws of physics? Just invent new ones if it is necessary to save the hero! Of course this is fiction and you are allowed some creativity to keep things going but there is a limit to what you can ask from the viewer to believe. *** Spoiler*** My "favourite" scene of the movie: Our heroes are on a Russian cargo plane heading for China. The plane is piloted by one professional and a student pilot who has had a few hours on a single engine sports airplane(?). After having survived a last-second escape (see?) from the airport they are planning to get a refueling at Hawaii. Unfortunately the island has turned into a lump of molten lava and they have to continue their flight knowing they would not make it to China but go down somewhere in the open waters. The very moment they run out of fuel they discover that the Asian continent has moved 2500 kilometers in their direction(!) and they crash-land their aircraft on some elevated plain a stone's throw from the original destination! Of course there is a group of helicopters flying by only minutes later to pick them up and get them to the secret base they were heading for... *** End of Spoiler *** And no, this is not an exception. There are numerous parts like this. It is just like I said: an insult to your intelligence. Believe me, I could easily list at least a hundred of flaws and errors made in this movie ranging from human behavior over technical design to mathematical chances - not even regarding the constant violation of physical principles. All in all I am convinced that it is for your own good not to spend your money on buying a ticket for this crap but find any other use for it. Burning it is a legitimate alternative. At least that would save your time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:07 PM Will you twits please focus on the damned movie???? === Movie? WHAT movie? This thread is about OUR 2012 Olympics, isn't it? WHAT MOVIE??? Will you all just concemtrate over there?/ I know you don't believe Olympics ought ever to happen anywhere else but in the Good Old U S of A -- but these are going to - so live with it. And stop going off at irrelevant tangents about some movie, FFS. WHAT MOVIE? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: bubblyrat Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:16 PM How DO you define a Tangent ?? Roger Moore emerging from a Health Club ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:40 PM There is little so hideous as female athletes in their silly half vests, with ingrowing chests! |
