BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!

Subject: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Lox
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 06:07 PM

Ireland bowed out of the world cup tonight thanks to a deliberate and cynical handball that the referee didn't see.

He effectively caught the ball from a freekick into the box in his hand and then dropped it at his feet before setting up a goal while the ref ignored the calls for handball going on around him.


BOOOO!!

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 06:27 PM

Can a complaint be lodged for review?

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 06:44 PM

video replays should be allowed or alternatively,have two extra umpires standing by the goal as they do in GAA Football/hurling.
there was a time not very long ago when batsmen in cricket walked when they were out.
Henry could have easily said to the referee, I handled the ball, however with technology it can easily be decided by a television referee.
it is about time this was introduced to Soccer.
what happened tonight was a sad day for sport and sportsmanship.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 07:28 PM

Ireland should have walked off and refused to play any further part. The loss a hard earned world cup place to an obvious piece of cheating is just too much to put up with, and there is NO appeal.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Fergie
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 07:31 PM

Henry cheated and has sullied his career and his country. Trapettoni, (I hope) has learned a lesson from this magnificent display by Ireland, the lesson is let the players off the leash and they can perform at a high level. Fantastic performance by the Irish squad.
Fergus

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,Tommy Lo
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 08:56 PM

Shame on Henry!!! The goal should be overruled and reply the game from 103'.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 08:59 PM

Not another 'Hand of God' I hope?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Neil D
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 11:46 PM

I remember watching Argentina win the World Cup on a goal that Diego Maradonna punched in with his head shielding his fist from the referee, making it look like a header. Instant replay should be used in all sports. Why let tradition that predates technology get in the way of getting it right.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 12:43 AM

The difference being of course that England had been thoroughly outplayed in 1986 and never looked like avoiding defeat. Ireland were robbed, but it is the sort of misfortune, which awaits any side,which fails to put their chances away.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 04:31 AM

Ireland would have lost in a penalty shoot-out.

The World Cup will be a better spectacle with France in it.

And how many other players, in Henry's position and given the significance of the match, would have done just the same ? 99%.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 05:17 AM

Supposition, supposition, supposition.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 05:29 AM

Let`s be clear about Henry`s hand ball, there is not a professional footballer playing to-day that wouldn`t have done the same. ask Maradona.
The Irish had several chances to put the game away, three of which were gilt-edged, this has been a common failure with all Irish sides for years., in saying that this was far and away the best Irish performance ever.
A heart braking defeat for a team of players giving everything, just a pity about the finishing.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 05:44 AM

The Irony is that if France go on to win the world cup. Their victory will be forever tainted.
If I was the French manager, I would insist on a re-match (In Paris, obviously) particularly as Thierry Henry admitted his actions.
I certainly wouldn't want to be in his shoes when he plays his next game in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 06:10 AM

"The hand of Frog" France imo didn't deserve to go through on the 2 matches. In the away leg they were lucky to get a deflected goal and in the return,they get away with a goal which should have been disallowed.
Paul Mcshane for me should be blamed for the equaliser. He shouldn't have let Henry all alone at the far post.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 06:23 AM

It's been a long long time since there was any ' sportsmanship ' in professional football, it's about money, win by attrition.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: the fence
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 07:18 AM

Bomb France. Sorted!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,raymond la science
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 07:43 AM

france have done the job.
Thank's for all your support.
even our president is happy for the qualification.
our superstars team will raise high colors of france in south africa world cup football cup, and all the entire world will see his faboulous play and sportmanship.
meanwille,we will increase the rate of the commercial's on french tv.

spécial thank to fifa to decide not to use video replay, or more referees in the field.
let's come to see us in june in south africa !
raymond la science from clairefontaine.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:16 AM

The most blatant form of cheating should he laid at the door of Sepp Blatter and FIFA officials by arranging seeding of the so-called strong nations against the minnows.
Only Russia failed to go through thanks to Slovenias win, Robbie Keane was right when he said the draw was a fix, this draw ensured that Blatter`s preaching about fair play wasn`t applied in the quarter final draw,
Money rears it`s ugly head in the guise of FIFA, pointing out that the "beautiful game" is far removed from equality.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:44 AM

An item from FIFAs "FAIR PLAY" Dossier, Play fair. ["Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure. Playing fair requires courage and character. It is also more satisfying. Fair play always has its reward, even when the game is lost. Playing fair earns respect, while cheating only brings shame. Remember: it is only a game. And games are pointless unless played fairly."],

Tne football world awaits Blatter`s comments on last nights game.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Arnie
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 09:46 AM

I heard today that replays are not unknown in world cup qualifiers but in last night's match, the ref awarded the goal and has not revoked that decision. It is therefore unlikely that Ireland will get their much-deserved replay. It really does sour the competition to see France get to SA by Henry's cheating and the sooner we get video replays to assist the ref, the better. It works fine in rugby & cricket (when trialled this summer) and a 1 or 2 minute delay whilst the 4th official watches the video is well worthwhile if it helps prevent the goal cheats and doubtful decisions. No doubt many more dodgy decisions & diving or 'simulation' as it is now called, to be awarded a penalty will be witnessed next summer. You'd think the refs would be agitating for video replays to give them some assistance, but they seem strangely quiet on the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 10:27 AM

And it's long been known that Sepp Blatter is corrupt.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 01:50 PM

I agree Arnie, the Irish have no chance of a re-play, the refs decision is final.
Henry would have been wiser saying nothing, he admits he handed the ball lying in his teeth that it was accidental, re-plays of the incident confirms his lie, also if he was being honest the time to tell the ref is immediately after the incident, of course he told him after the match.
The time has surely arrived for video re-plays, Ireland are not the only football team to suffer officials mistakes, in the case of last nights blunder, money wise, an awful lot was at stake for the Irish team, but a hell of a lot more for FIFA.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:47 PM

Why is there no instant replay in football?

Just last week, in the Chelsea-Manchester game, Didier Drogba was kicked in the chest and flattened at the edge of the box. The ref gave him a yellow card, presumably for acting or wasting time. The replay made it obvious that he was viciously fouled.

That's only one of many instances of bad refereeing I have seen that could have been rectified with instant replay. It's past time UEFA/FIFA/etc. came into the 21st century.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:56 AM

It rather devalues the whole World Cup doesnt it ? A team get through by cheating AND admitting the Cheating , and the Referee's decision stands . Makes Westminster look Sqeaky Clean , doesnt it ?

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:57 AM

& when it does come - & it will, just as it has in cricket & tennis &c - everyone will say, "What did we do without it, why has it taken so long?" — just as they are doing already in all the sports where it has been adopted. Mind you, a limit to the # of appeals allowed, as in tennis [no more than 3 unsuccessful appeals per set], would be a good idea here also & keep things within sensible bounds; + perhaps a provision that only the captain is entitled to appeal?

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM

Appeals limited to the captain, and/or the coach, would make sense.

You think it will come?

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: goatfell
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:29 PM

1966 and all that

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:48 PM

In the new European league for the also-rans, they are trying a new system, positioning a referee behind tne goaline, this would have certainly worked in the Henry incident. I can`t see FIFA adopting this, although, it is working alright in the EL.
The old traditionalists in charge at FIFA fear any change in the laws of the game, could be the row over the Henry hand ball might wake them up.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 08:36 PM

The principle that the responsibility of identifying a foul rests solely with the referee and not with the person committing the foul is contemptible.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Gurney
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 02:47 AM

Like all such actions, it will come back to haunt him. He will be booed on in any UK ground he plays from now on, I suppose.

If he had explained to the Ref at the time, he'd be venerated forever as a sportsman. Short sighted.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 05:02 AM

"He will be booed on in any UK ground he plays from now on, I suppose"

True enough, but I doubt he'll hear the boos - they will be drowned out by the sound of money falling into bank accounts.

Sportsmanship will always be punching way above its weight in any contest with the filthy lucre. It's a sad fact of modern, professional sporting life.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:13 AM

No great interest in football - rather watch paint dry, but my estimation of Roy Keane rocketed yesterday when he put it all in a nutshell when he said, "It's a done deal - get over it".
It's only a game anyway.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:35 AM

"Only a game", sez you. Don't forget Bill Shankly — "Football isn't a matter of life and death — it's much more important than that."

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:22 PM

One interesting statistic that should get in the craw of people getting anti-French on the basis of this - it is reported that 82 per cent of French people polled thought that the right thing to do would be to play the match again.

That won't happen - but I wonder whether the same would have been true if it had been a poll of English people in circumstances where England had got through in the same way. I somehow doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM

An imponderable, McGrath — but I do know that, if I were polled in such a situation I should vote for a replay; & I don't think I should be atypical.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:30 PM

Or for that matter, a poll in Ireland, if the handball that took them through had been by an Irish player...

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Neil D
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:51 PM

Thierry Henry himself has said there should be a replay.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:59 PM

The tabloids here are trying to stir up anti-French feeling, this is nonsense, only a few head-cases are taking the French to task. Roy Keane is full of hate and this was an excuse for him to get his boot into the Football Association of Ireland, blaming the goalkeeper was ridiculous, Shay Given the Irish keeper is one of the top keepers in the world.
I don`t agree with the Irish politicians putting their nose in, getting votes would be their main objective.
The protests should be finished , no amount of moaning will change the result.
The only good thing that may come out of all of this is to use video evidence or the two extra officals as are used in the European League, the old die-hards in Fifa will take some shifting, we wait in hope.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 04:48 PM

Of course they do, accept use of such evidence after the events. That wouldn't change the result, but there's no reason the penalty for people proved to have cheated can't be severe enough to serve to act as a deterrent. And a points penalty could be imposed on the team for that matter.

So Henry could be banned from the World Cup - and France could be made to go forward with a couple of points handicap.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 05:11 PM

McGrath it will never happen, Henry will get off without any penalty, he will start the World Cup along with the rest of the French team. Anyone remember a few years ago Dennis Wise palming the ball into the goal in Poland, and eliminating them from the World Cup?,
The fact that this recent incident has been seen and discussed world wide may stir Fifa into action.
I keep repeating the most blatant form of cheating was Fifa changing the rules a couple of weeks before the quarter finals and seeding them to assure that the stronger nations would go through, apart from Slovenia eliminating Russia, three out of four was a coup for Fifa.
The Swedish linesman should have seen that two French forwards were off side before the"goal", well Fifa did appoint the Swedish officials.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 03:45 PM

Sorry that Denis Wise hand ball was against Turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM

Send Jedward from 'X' Factor to France to do a series of concerts. If that doesn't even things up, nothing will.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:58 PM

Too much "Instant replay" would be a mixed blessing. It would make the game often more boring and much longer.

What if a wrong throw-in decision leads to a goal 2 min later?
Should an ongoing action be stopped for replay or not?
Could each team ask for as many replays as they feel like?
If replay would only come during interruptions, should all of the preceding 5 min of a boring game be replayed, just in case?

Most games of football are without the option of replay, so that would make replay only a mayor leagues option.

I see only two possible changes I could agree with:
(1) Two additional goal-linesmen (the "handball" would have been spotted)
(2) Replay only three times (or five) per game for each team's captain and no one else to request. If the decision is upheld the other team gets a freekick.

Wolfgang (who'd like to see a replay of the '66 final)

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 01:07 PM

Third goal in the 1966 final from a camera more or less exactly at the goal line (link to Youtube video)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 01:11 PM

Replay only three times (or five) per game for each team's captain and no one else to request. >>>

If you had read the thread before rushing to post, Wolfgang, you would have found I had made exactly this suggestion 18 posts back.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 02:55 PM

Evra wants a Statue to Henry - Well perhaps the Irish­ should build one as well and place it outside the­ French Embassy in Dublin. Henry would make a good­ Gaelic Footballer. I hope all opposition fans give­ France the treatment they deserve in South Africa.

The­ time has come for rule 5 to be rewritten to include the­ use of Video Technology and a 5th official. It works in­ Rugby, Cricket, Tennis and Ice Hockey. They say the­ Camera never lies. A communication system, and just a­ few Camera angles, and just a few seconds would have­ chalked the French goal off. Henry would have been­ yellow carded. Same for the Divers who are ruining the­ game.

WAKE UP FIFA AND ENTER THE 21st CENTURY.

You­ are the richest Sport, with huge revenues, not to­ mention a few Jerks in Suits. OK, no replay for Ireland­ but there is no excuse for not introducing­ Technology.

Otherwise the Cheats will just continue to­ prosper and ruin the game for those of you that pay­ good money to watch the so called Role­ Models. Big meeting to take place to look at the events of last week.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 02:57 PM

Of course context is everything in this kind of thing. In the Premier League match on Sunday between Spurs and Wigan there was an even more blatant handball by a player scoring a goal, and nobody gives a damn about it. Well, with Wigan losing 9-1, it'd need a hard heart to begrudge them that single goal, even if it wasn't strictly legal.

Here's a piece on this from a Scottish TV site, full of mock sound and fury about it, as a way of commenting on the row about Henry's handball. "Spurs fans to contest greatest injustice in history of football?"

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Lox
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:48 PM

And yesterdays news is good for nothing more than chip wrappings.

Livid at the time - over it now.

I wish France luck and hope nobody else is unsporting about it.

The ref made a bad decision, and possibly with FIFA's blessing/encouragement ...

but its all over now.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: Connacht Rambler
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 06:09 PM

I was angry at Henry's handjob, too.

++++++Newsflash+++++

THE BLAME GAME
Ireland 9    France 1


Now please let's all get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: (football) Shame on Henry!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 07:36 PM

But the score in 1966, even without that goal, would have still been 3-2, Wolfgang.