BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:59 AM

Has the dog and bone got a rugby team yet Dáithí ?

Rugby Union allows people to talk about their local team as well :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:28 AM

Should have just called it "Six Nations Rugby", Les!!
D

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: goatfell
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:06 AM

thank you

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:09 PM

great performance,nuff said

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 05:06 PM

Dave
I asked Joe to change the title to Rugby Union 2010

Joe didn't do that, but in the USA they do not understand the importance.

So if it is Ok with everybody, I will start a new thread.

Yes I will, oh no you won't, oh yes I will

Les

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:56 PM

Villan... because of the nonplacement of punctuation.... again, I would have to explain.... why Joe would detedt such a title as written.

Sorry for my obtuse posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:44 PM

England to win all their matches.

Villa is a side track as the thread was rather slow, and as I started the thread :-)

Do I detect a bit of unhappiness as Wales and Scotland lost :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:13 PM

I see the offending thread title is still with us.

Goatfell, if you read the previous entries you'd see that I was making the same point as you were, and Real Madrid is only there because of the fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: paula t
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 02:05 PM

Hi Mike,

I see that Flutey is back as inside centre for the next match. It will be interesting to see how that changes the dynamics. We will have two fast centres , and Flutey is not afraid to get physical, even though he's not the biggest guy in the game.I was concerned about defence during the last match, as I've yet to be convinced that Tait is one to be "feared". (I hope he proves me wrong here).Flutey is usually good at spotting the danger areas and is not afraid to boss when unhappy with things.A bit of experience goes a long way!

Looking forward to a good game!

Paula

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: goatfell
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:48 PM

well take a look at some of thee posts, some which talk about Manchester united and real Mardrid, two football(soccer) teams, that's why I asked this suposed to be about Rugby.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:16 AM

hi Paula

You are right about the slow ball. It looked to me as if it was a deliberate ploy.

Over the years England has had a policy of "crash-ball centres".
This entails that the ball is not whipped out quickly to the wings through the centres. This tactic suposes that they have very hard strong running centres and a speedy back row.

At the moment we seem to have a slow but big back row with centres that like to run and make breaks.....we are in the middle of a change but we just haven't got the players in the right positions at the rightmoments.

A little bit like Eric Morcambe in his reply to Andre Previn who told him he was playing all the wrong notes. Morcambe's reply was " I am playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order".

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:23 AM

Godman doesn't make a habit of having kicks charged down on his goal line in close games. Sean Lineen was saying that people should get off Parks' back because his confidence is fragile, but that's the problem. Watch Stephen Jones, Jonny Wilkinson or any top international stand-off, and yes, they'll make mistakes, but they'll pick themselves up and produce something to compensate. Once Parks makes his first mistake he's gone for the rest of the game. Having said that, he has had 2 decent games in a Scotland jersey (out of 47).

As for Patterson, he hasn't been playing stand-off most of the time, so even if we comitted to him (which we should have done 99 caps ago) it's going to be several games before he's got a chance of being the second coming of Rutherford.

Robinson should probably be fast-tracking Glasgow's Ruairidh Jackson for next season anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:02 AM

Parks couldn't do much worse than Godman did. Maybe Wyn-Jones will trip him and we'll get 3 tries from Lamont and Cussiter :)

Don't know why we can't commit to having Patterson at 10 and a choice of full-back.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:59 PM

I suppose I'm still allowed to post here seeing we're playing Wales.

I'll be back behind the sofa on Saturday - Dan Parks starting at No 10! I suppose he'll not play too badly if we're being thrashed, but if it's close he'll find a way to lose it. He's our answer to Arwel Thomas who couldn't raise his game to international level, but in recent seasons has been a regular "Seren y gem" for Neath.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:11 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:03 PM

I was trying not to mention it!

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:01 PM

Well done Joe :-)

The Scots, Irish & French might take offence :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:51 PM

Well, wanting to keep everybody happy, I changed it to BS: Rugby England V Wales/Rugby Union 2010 - at least, until I see some sort of consensus...

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:51 PM

Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:48 PM

Villan "Joe has been asked to change the title to... Rugby Union 2010 in response to gnu's idea.

Now, THAT is hilarious!

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: paula t
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:31 PM

Hi MikeL2,

I agree about Wilkinson. I can't yet see anyone pushing too hard for his place. A bit of a problem for a few years time, but he's still there at the moment so we can be thankful for that at least.You never know who might suddenly step forward.

We still have a bit if a problem with slow ball from the breakdown, I think.The forwards are quickly getting the ball to the back foot in the rucks, but, too often on Saturday, the scrum half stood there pointing at so-called infringements or he waited while the opposition marked their guys ....meaning that our midfield often took the ball standing still. No momentum.Ho hum....Never happy eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:15 PM

This is about rugby union football, not about any other code.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:12 PM

Cheval is French for horse. The player is called Sebastian Chabal. Pity to spoil a good metaphor with facts, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:06 PM

this is about rugby not footballl

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:33 AM

I thought it meant horse too.. hence chavalier or cavalier....

It's the sight of that honed torso, rippling thigh muscles, mane wafting in the breeze, head held high and nostrils flaring with the sheer joy of running, the exhiliration of being alive....    It just needs that music (Galloping Home, recorded by the Simon Park Orchestra IFRC) to make it complete.

The horse is just a horse. Never have liked the beasts.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:57 AM

I wondered when the Northern Union would make an appearance. Is anyone going to start a thread for Superleague XV?

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:21 AM

Isn't Chaval French for Horse? Maybe you had a subliminal episode which resulted in the Black Beuty theme, Liz!

DeG

(Who hasn't followed the Rugby since playing the 13 boy version at School but keeps intending to get to the Willows to watch the orignal Salford Reds one of these days.)

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:44 AM

Joe has been asked to change the title to

Rugby Union 2010 in response to gnu's idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:41 AM

Why not, gnu? It wasn't that poor, and it could keep us going till the end of the Six Nations.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:35 AM

Becuase I started the thread :-)

Will ask for the title to be changed to Rugby Union 2010

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:23 AM

I shant explain my poor attempt at humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:19 AM

Hi Mike.

Is that afried in batter?

It just means what relevance do two soccer teams have to a rugby thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:17 AM

hi
<" Good idea gnu, but what have Villa and Man U got do to with the price of fish? ">

I'm afried I don't know.......

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:13 AM

hi Lox

You don't have to tell me about Villa....I have always respected them and their abilty to entertain while playing open attacking football ( forget Wenger's comments ).

If both teams play the way they can it is going to be a great game to watch.

I know that Villa are on the up....but United too are gathering up a head of steam after ( for them ) a fairly ordinary start to the season.

Best of luck

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 06:09 AM

Hi Paula

My you seem well up on your rugby...!!!

I agree with what you say - Martin Johnson can't do the right thing - whatever he tries he gets damned for it.

We had a promising start against a hapless Wales and I hope that it is something we can build on. We have to try to get back to playing 15 man rugby and not 10 man with the backs just looking on.

Too much depends on Jonny Wilkinson - injury prone though he is he is still the best matchwinner in the World.

I watched to whole of the France v Scotland they played some fantastic rugby and looked very ominous for the rest of the Six nations and then for some strange ( Gallic ) reason managed to make almost look like hard work.

I agree with your comment about blooding new young players. The secret is to do it slowly and not try to introduce too many too soon.

Many thanks for your concern and comment about our grandson Samuel.

You will see from my earlier message to Les that things are improving.

Reagrds

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 05:56 AM

Hi Les

Many thanks for the kind comments regarding my grandson Samuel.

I am pleased to report that after several weeks recuperating after a heart operation he is recovering as well as can be expected.

He is now out of Intensive Care and in an intensive ward for two babies.
The prognosis is good and the first step is to get him feeding properly because for the last few weeks he has been fed through a tube.

Thanks for the concern

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: CET
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:42 PM

Gnu:

The reason you can't get the Six Nations on TV is because of the swine at Setanta, none of whom will go to heaven when they die. They buy up the rights to the games in North America and then sell it only to pubs who are willing to fork over the fantastic prices they charge for Pay per View. I know of only one pub in eastern Ontario that's willing to do that - the Heart and Crown in the Byward Market, where I will be this weekend with a bunch of other suckers, desperate for their Rugby fix.

I have it on good authority that the CEO of Setanta eats deep fried kittens for breakfast.

As for the game it was a case of could have, should have and didn't for Wales.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:14 PM

Real Madrid 2, Surreal Madrid a fish

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:07 PM

Fish? It's only Monday.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:42 PM

God idea gnu, but what have Villa and Man U got to with the price of fish?

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Villan...if you were to ask a mod to change the title of the thread to sommat like "Rugby 2010", we may get more participation.

Just a thought.

I still get some, now and then.

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Lox
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:00 PM

Villa are a team ascending!

Man U watch out!

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: paula t
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:26 PM

Hello Guest LTS on the sofa,

"And I'm not the only one noticing hair - during the England match, someone (?Low) was subbed and the commentator remarked that the amount of hair on the pitch had increased dramatically as this rather elegantly coiffeured brick outhouse walked out!"

Yes, and I also noticed that he said it very quietly!

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: paula t
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:23 PM

Hi Mike,
will be interesting to watch the development of the team. I don't think it is by any means the finished product,but that could be said about any team.
I hope Johnson is given a chance to build a good squad, like Woodward was. On one hand he is slated when he uses old hands, ("Not building for the future "),then he is slated if forced to use young players and the team don't play well.Many people want the young players to be "blooded" but they won't take the inevitable losses while they learn the game in a tough arena.Too many pundits feel they should use their power to attempt to influence team selection and even the hiring and firing of coaches.
Who'd want his job?

On a more serious note, I hope your Grandson is OK.

Paula

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: GUEST,LTS on the sofa
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:07 PM

Oh, that spidercam.... it did for my vertigo, I had to look away most of the time when they were using it, I got quite sick at one point! Could explain the weird dreams I had that night, I kept dreaming I was falling over and over... bleurgh!

Chaval, thank you... never was good at names. Although I notice his 'hairspray ad' postition may well have been taken over by the big nonce who was injured in the first 30 seconds and was subbed after less than 5 minutes - he was very pretty!

And I'm not the only one noticing hair - during the England match, someone (?Low) was subbed and the commentator remarked that the amount of hair on the pitch had increased dramatically as this rather elegantly coiffeured brick outhouse walked out!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:04 PM

Mike
Sorry to hear that about your grandson. I really hope things work out well for the little one.
Les

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 02:54 PM

hi paula

I agree with you about the camera work and indeed the general presentation. There is far too much concentration of "gimmics" and showcasing supposed technical advancements that it interferes with the TV viewers flow of the game.

At least they haven't yet got to having background music played under/over the commentary !!!

With regard to the game I thought England played better than of late and although they scored the points due to Jones being sin-binned, I felt they had looked superior before that point. The worry was as soon as they got a good lead they went on the defensive and nearly threw it away.

Nothing here for either team to be complacent about but I will take a win against Wales any time.

Regards

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 02:47 PM

Hi Les

I think you are right. We don't expect any presents from Villa. What we expect will be a game a good football played in the best of spirits.....and may the best team win.....as long as it is Man U.....lol

I have been right past Villa park today. Our recently born grandson is in the Birmingham Children's Hospital and has been since January 6th.

He has been very poorly but things are looking up. Can't speak more highly of Birminghan Hospital and it's dedicated staff.

Best of luck for Wednesday.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: paula t
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:57 PM

Well that's an interesting perspective too. I agree!

Subject: RE: BS: Rugby England V Wales
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:45 PM

I always thought that most women preferred to see the players behind.