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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: mousethief Date: 10 Apr 10 - 02:22 PM I'm not sure you can arrest a foreign head of state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Apr 10 - 02:03 PM Whether a pope is wise or foolish or good or bad doesn't really make all that difference to me as a Catholic. It really isn't that kind of an operation. We've had some real shockers in the past and come through. There's a Spanish proverb that translates as "God writes straight with crooked lines". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Greg F. Date: 10 Apr 10 - 02:00 PM Well, if you just pray hard enough, Mary, that should do it, shouldn't it? Or you could just shoot him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: SINSULL Date: 10 Apr 10 - 01:32 PM I expect a "new" church to come out of this at least in the US. It will not sever its ties with Rome but it will also not bow to Rome's will. We will see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: John P Date: 10 Apr 10 - 12:23 PM The Catholic Church should be hounded out of existence. They engaged in decades of aiding and abetting pedophiles. Anyone who knew anything and didn't call the police ought to be in jail. Since this includes, apparently, most of the top officers of the organization, the organization as whole is guilty of supporting international child rape. No, the organization IS an international child rape ring. We got the KKK and their ilk with the RICO law. We should do the same for the church, and hit them with a fine so huge that they have to sell everything and then still be in debt for the rest of time. All civilized nations should put out arrest warrants for the Pope and any other top church officials who ever knew anything about this and didn't report it. Harsh, you say? How about if it was any other group engaging in organized child rape for decades? Being a big church doesn't give them a free pass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Bill D Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:27 PM Mary...there are powers and voices much more influential than you or I or any of 'us' which are currently speaking out on this situation. There are few ways to depose someone like the pope, and even though he seems to have shown a lack of understanding of the problem, it merely shows he was being 'political' about his lapses back then, and any 'defender' could claim it's not grounds for impeachment...or whatever church routine might exist. Joe is right...the man is 80+ and can't be here a lot longer, and perhaps THIS scandal will affect who is voted in next time......maybe.....perhaps... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Lox Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:11 PM A weak mind clings onto safe familiar things like tables and chairs and is unable to see beyond them. A scientific mind advocates no absolutes, but merely enquires and observes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Lox Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:08 PM Reality? Would that be the same reality that the contents of the universe are merely a holographic projection from its borders, or the reality that the earth doesn't travel in a circle, but space time is curved, or the reality that solid objects are, when analyzed on a microscopic level, discovered to be comprised more than 90% of nothing but space? ... Stehen Hawking says that the probability of there being a personal God is extremely low. It is also true that the probablility f there being intelligent life in this universe is also extremely low. Yet here we are. What is real? What is normal? Whats it all about? Your guess is as good as mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:00 PM Well, I suppose, Michael - but if you have faith, and it means something you, why abandon it? My faith is part of who I am. Yes, much of the basis of that faith may be myth, but myth can often lead to deep truth. Kinda like believing in art or poetry or the beauty of life and love and nature, ya know? - except that I believe in a Being who is the incarnation of all that is good. And in 61 years of life, that belief has never once led me to do something contrary to what is good. I do wrong lots of times, but not as part of my belief. Yes, there are lots of people who seem to use their beliefs as justification for wrongdoing. But it doesn't work that way for me. My faith is a source of joy and goodness, and a call to do justice. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Rapparee Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:59 PM The US, Ireland, France, Germany and who knows where else are all "lost" to the Vatican. Italy, I suppose, as well. When nuns in the US tell the Conference of Bishops "We support Obama's health care bill because we're on the front lines and you're sitting in a Chancery somewhere" -- the bishops are losing their power AND their touch with the laity (not to mention the nuns). As the Vatican disassembles Vatican II and turns more and more to the "I'm right on heaven and on earth" of previous centuries, more and more laity will find the Vatican unnecessary. As friends of ours once said, "We don't let our Church interfere with our Religion." There are extraordinary things going on, great changes are coming -- but like the beginnings of the Reformation, the Vatican has its head in...the sand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: michaelr Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:37 PM The obvious solution is to abandon religious faith altogether. After all, it's just a crutch for the feeble-minded. Then all the popes, mullahs, and TV evangelists simply cease to matter. Why not try facing reality instead? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:37 PM Mary, don't you think it's a bit strong to speak of "a pope who has assisted in the aftermath at least of tying boys up in a rectory." He allowed the guy to be transferred thirty years ago, instead of referring him for prosecution; and chances are that he did not realize how serious the problem was. He should have done better, but I do think you're being a bit overly dramatic. I do think it's important to avoid the soap opera and stick to the facts. So, what WERE the facts? We still don't know. It's time for the bishops to tell us. The time for secrecy is long past, because the bishops showed us they could not be trusted to act properly under cover of secrecy. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: ClaireBear Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:24 PM And success, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: ClaireBear Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM It's heartbreaking that MG is in the position of having to ask this question. I feel for her. It is troubling to see an organization with a top-down hierarchical structure that has no formal mechanism for giving a voice to those who are on the lowest rung in that hierarchy. This is one reason I left the Catholic church, despite my Jesuit edication and generations of family history, and joined the Episcopal one. There, the hierarchy is intended to work from the bottom up -- via the people's chosen representatives at least. Simplistically stated, the community have the power and are the employers of the clergy. This of course is not a perfect system either, but it's a lot better than an absolute monarchy, particularly one that will by its nature always place one gender in the position of being able to dictate the behavior of the other. I wish you peace, MG, in whatever course you choose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: GUEST,mg Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:11 PM We cannot ignore a pope who has assisted in the aftermath at least of tying boys up in a rectory. Do you understand? We are guilty of a serious sin of ommission if we ignore. We have to do something to get rid of him. Start writing your bishops..no start writing or keep writing to newspapers and attorney generals of your states and cc the bishop. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Smokey. Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:07 PM He'll need to be coated in teflon.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:36 PM Well, Benny just appointed a Head Guy in Los Angeles who really distresses me. The new guy is Opus Dei, like right out of the Da Vinci Code... Oh, Mary, Rome has never, ever listened to a petition, a letter, or an advisory committee. Paul VI appointed a committee who told him to ease off on the birth control regulations, and he ignored them. There is an International Commission on English in the Liturgy that did a wonderful translation of the prayers for Mass into English that people actually speak, and Rome threw it out and substituted words like "consubstantial." Hell, Rome barely listens to an Ecumenical Council of all the world's bishops, as is evidenced by the dismantling of Vatican II that has happened over the last 30 years. So, as Paul Burke says, the best thing to do is ignore them. Benny is an old, old man. He'll die soon, and be replaced by somebody worse... -Joe-
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Sorcha Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:34 PM Maybe go back to the Hereditary thing? LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Sorcha Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:25 PM Oooo Kayyyy. But mg doesn't get to vote on the new one either. Unless she has a red hat I don't know about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Smokey. Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM He'll be dead before Christmas, I'd bet me shirt on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Sorcha Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:18 PM I rather think he has to die, mg. No other way that I know of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: SINSULL Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:15 PM I am a "fallen" catholic and have no regrets. I do remember, however, how much comfort the faith of my youth gave me and I pity the believers who are caught up in what is essentially a political mess. I wish them all well. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: Paul Burke Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:06 PM Simply ignore everything he does or says. Most of the Catholics I know have always been heretical on any examinable point of doctrine (my late mother included), and there's a strong precedent- back in the 14th century there were TWO popes, so all the Catholics were ignoring at least one of them. And don't worry about not believing what he says- HE doesn't either, and neither do the rest of the clergy. Otherwise he could have said, I've got the power to loose and bind, and if you've ever abused children, you turn yourself in pronto, otherwise it's fryup time when you die. |
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Subject: BS: Catholic come all-ye From: GUEST,mg Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:16 PM I want the pope gone. How do we do this? Petitions? Letters? The idea of protecting a man who tied little boys up in the rectory is even a little much for Shanty Irish me. Done. Finite. mg |