BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:09 PM

Stringsinger: One of the reasons I like Mudcat is that there can be a civil discourse without a lot of name-calling and pontificating.

I post a lot of what I post, to stimulate THOUGHT, and hope that it rolls around in the 'Catter's heads, not only to turn them onto 'other points of view, but to give you topics, and clarity to write about, sing about, and not be parroting political partisanship, in your thinking, and lyric writing. Some of the greatest pieces of music, were written in times of great distress.......and I hope that there is SOME beauty coming out of these days were are living.

I, myself would love to post to you, a couple of pieces that I have composed, which have NO lyrics, and is presently in negotiations for a film soundtrack, with a VERY major film company, and because of that, I'm not at liberty to post it on youtube, or something like that. Believe me, I'd LOVE to share it with you...and as long as we're here, THANK YOU all, for the bouncing of thoughts and passion, you've shared with me!!

Most Sincerely and With Much Gratitude,

Guest from Sanity

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:41 PM

Stringsinger: One of the reasons I like Mudcat is that there can be a civil discourse without a lot of name-calling and pontificating.

CAN be. Frequently things deteriorate, alas, especially south of the equator.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 06:23 PM

Thanks Janie.

I think Joe got it right. The main-stream news media loves confrontation so they
promote it for their ratings.

I don't think Americans hate each other that much. They tend to be emotional over
ideologies but when it comes to meeting the other guy, sometimes, and I support this,
humanity trumps ideology. I think we can learn to agree to disagree without violence.

I don't think we have to acquiesce to principles or ideologies with which we disagree.
(Get along, not go along).

Perhaps maybe McGrath watches too much American TV. :)

I get mad sometimes at what I perceive to be injustice but i have to remember
to respond and not react. I'm working on this. It ain't easy.

One of the reasons I like Mudcat is that there can be a civil discourse without a lot
of name-calling and pontificating. I don't mind passion, though if someone feels
strongly about something. I haven't found much bullying on Mudcat and that's proof
that us Americans don't hate each other all that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:13 AM

Hate is usually accompanied by intolerance.

Yes and both are preceded by ignorance and fear of the unfamiliar.

IMO - bigots are under-developed mentally and spiritually.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 03:46 AM

Neither is a world governed by Love....but what the hell........

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 03:17 AM

In a certain logic, the Angels of Mons are true. But they didn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 03:07 AM

It's a great story, just the same!...and in a certain logic, it is absolutely true.

Not much with you, and humor is there???....That must be a pleasant ride!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:35 AM

It is a funny line, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 08:31 PM

Just realized that I had better post a link to Snopes:

'Tain't True

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 04:59 PM

"...we sure do hate those H1-B visas...even 'though they are the only way that the VA can get physicians in medically underserved areas."

            Nope, it's not the only way. We could be educating young Americans to do those jobs, and if were weren't supporting a bunch of illegal aliens, it'd be easier to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 01:28 PM

GfS, are you aware that that radio interview is a hoaz? It never happened. Or does that matter to you?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:30 AM

Yep we sure do hate those H1-B visas...even 'though they are the only way that the VA can get physicians in medically underserved areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:12 AM

Just got this E-mail, loved it:

       General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently.
       Read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children.
       Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you have to love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time.
       In a portion of an ABC radio interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters.

       FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
       So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

       GENERAL COSGROVE:!
       We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.


       FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
       Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

       GENERAL COSGROVE:
       I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

       FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
       Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

       GENERAL COSGROVE:
       I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.


       FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
       But you're equipping them to become violent killers.

       GENERAL COSGROVE:
       Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

       The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, this interview was over.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 12:09 AM

Arizona just did something about it. Texas, Arkansas and Utah are about to follow. Happy days are here again:

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 10:43 PM

We love people who hire illegals. If we didn't, we'd do something about it. But they make big campaign contributions.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 10:30 PM

Actually Americans don't hate foreigners, but they don't like phony programs like H1-B visas, and/or people who hire illegals.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 05:54 PM

Or pool boy- now THERE'S a job them furriners are taking every day from poor hard wurkin' Amerkuns.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM

Saves time.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 01:47 PM

We don't hate one another we hate those damn foreigners who steal the best jobs....like cooking or cleaning or picking the fruit....

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 01:28 PM

Not all bankers are crooks for that matter. And not all crooks are bankers.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 12:49 PM

Not all crooked bankers are Jewish. 'or white, or' right handed, or men, or, or...

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:20 AM

So every ignorant moron is entitled to be accorded respect for his/her stupidity and lies, then?

I think not.

While everyone may be entitled to their INFORMED opinion, they'te not entitled to be purveyors of BS, ignorance, and delusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:13 AM

why?

competition.
learned hatred.
an inbred ideology to steal and plunder.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:02 AM

Lloyd Blankfein is selling credit-default-swaps, betting on the economy of Greece to fail. If it fails, the poorest people in Greece will lose everything they've worked all their lives for. Blankfein will walk away with another 100 million dollar bonus.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:17 PM

Ooooh nice anti-semitism! We see the real Rig!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 10:21 PM

"Why do Americans hate one another so much..."

          Some of them are Jewish bankers who took invester money and bought toxic securities with it--nowing they were toxic--and took their own money and bought credit-default-swaps betting on the economy to crash.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 09:46 PM

Yeah, unfortunately, it is....

And we certainly see where the most intolerant are... Try the Christain Right here in the US and their minions in Congress...

Looking more like the Taliban every day...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:41 PM

Hate is usually accompanied by intolerance.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM

Interesting - I googled "Gopac Memo" after seeing that -

Here's a longer extract from it:

"...These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party. ... * abuse of power
* anti- (issue): flag, family, child, jobs
* betray
* bizarre
* bosses
* bureaucracy
* cheat
* coercion
* "compassion" is not enough
* collapse(ing)
* consequences
* corrupt
* corruption
* criminal rights
* crisis
* cynicism
* decay
* deeper
* destroy
* destructive
* devour
* disgrace
* endanger
* excuses
* failure (fail)
* greed
* hypocrisy
* ideological
* impose
* incompetent
* insecure
* insensitive
* intolerant
* liberal
* lie
* limit(s)
* machine
* mandate(s)
* obsolete
* pathetic
* patronage
* permissive attitude
* pessimistic
* punish (poor ...)
* radical
* red tape
* self-serving
* selfish
* sensationalists
* shallow
* shame
* sick
* spend(ing)
* stagnation
* status quo
* steal
* taxes
* they/them
* threaten
* traitors
* unionized
* urgent (cy)
* waste
* welfare"

The odd thing is that it appears to be universally accepted in the current UK election that "going negative" on opponents is liable to be a sure vote-loser.   Evidently it doesn't work that way in the States...

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:22 PM

I think Garry Trudeau has it figured out.

See the Doonesbury comic strip from Sunday, April 25, 2010.

(Page down after you get to that page.)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:24 AM

I agree. Just because someone does not agree with you, it does not mean they have to be destroyed if they cannot me made to agree with you.

It is intolerance that has people at each others throat.

Take for instance, religion. I am not a religious person but I am not an anti religious person either.

What ever people want to believe in is fine with me as long as they are not intolerant with me. It is like being a neutral country with no dog in the fight.

Standing up for the flag or bowing your head is a small price to pay for peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:04 AM

It's important that when people who are ostensibly "on our side" start behaving in ways that are hateful and damaging, we are willing to speak out against them, rather than appear to collude with them.

I think of the way that in the election campaign John McCain had the guts to disagree in public with that lady who started shouting about Obama being an Arab (implying terrorist), and tell her "No Ma'am, he is a decent family man citizen that I happen to have disagreements with about fundamental issues". That kind of response needs to be more evident than it appears to be. When honorable people fail to step up to the line, they stoke up an atmosphere of hate, and this can be terribly dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 01:28 AM

I keep asking Bobert to prove his "facts" and he keeps avoiding the issue by claiming I am stalking him.

He is welcome to his own opinions but I believe he should back up his "facts" or quit claiming they are facts and anybody that does not believe they are facts is wrong.

He can ask me anything he wants, any time he wants as much as he wants.

He can say anything he wants about me.

I have noticed a change in the tone Bobert's posts over the years and it is not good. I believe something is eating at him and causing stress that he blows out here.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 10:29 PM

Well, Dougie... Yer right on top o' this technology stuff but I allready knew why there ain't no videos of the lynchin's... But that wasn't as much the point as folks on the right now sayin' that Congressman Cleaver couldn't possibly have been spit on because the actual spit wasn't caught on video???

Lemme see if I have this right.... If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to witness it does it still make a sound as it crashes to the forest floor??? Well, me thinks it does... But yer buddies on the right must think it doesn't 'er the spit would show up somewhere on someone's video??? I mean, think about it Dougie... This is some very messed up logic, ain't it??? I mean, the guy is seen recoiling from something that was hurled in his direction and is seen wiping something from his face but, ahhhhhhhh, if you believe the righties???... Ahhhhhhh, maybe fairy dust??? No, tree polin...

I mean, let's get real here, Dougie... Yer a reasonable man for a guy pushin' the century mark (lol)... What's yer take???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:07 PM

Bobert - yes.

Doug - no.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 07:02 PM

Who's stalkin' ya Bobert?
I never noticed anythang.
Give us a name and we'll sort the fucker out!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 06:37 PM

We argue a lot over issues, but we don't hate one another.
I'm sure that's what happens most of the time.

It's just that there seems a tone to an awful lot of stuff that's been showing up in the media, including internet media like YouTube that goes way beyond that, and it's a bit frightening. There are dangerous nuts out there who feed on that kind of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: DougR
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 06:31 PM

Bobert: Wouldn't you agree that the primary reason there were no videos of lynchings is because most of them took place before television?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:21 AM

Well, Richard, it's kinda hard to be the ol' hippy shit head when one person here (in particular) is compulsively obsesssed with me but yer right... I should do what several people have suggested in their kind PMs to me about this individual and do what they do: ignore this person completely...

So, let's see??? Why do American's hate one another so much??? Danged if I know but if they would legalize pot that would go a long way toward fixin' it... That better??

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 05:01 AM

Ah well, another post made by me in a consistent guest identity and using my real name deleted.

As I said, Bobert, you need to be very careful, you are making far to many serious posts lately. Whatever happened to the old-hippy-shit-head persona?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: DougR
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:56 AM

Ah, Kevin, methinks you do not understand your American cousins. We argue a lot over issues, but we don't hate one another. At least that's my experience. There is only one person on Mudcat that has posted messages about me that I thought were over the top, but I never question his right to post them. I've answered in kind from time to time when I never had something more productive to do, but as a general rule, I think Americans are not much different than their British cousins who just happen to have a different political philosophy.

Hatrid is a pretty unfriendly way of expessing ones self.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:00 AM

"Not once in all that did Bobert express a hatred for any individual of any political stripe. He hates behaviours, policies, racism, incitement of hatred, and the fact that, in his country, twenty percent of children go to bed hungry."

Bobert: Hope you're right, Kendall. I hate Repubs

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 12:41 AM

You'll hate this........(maybe).....

If I speak with the eloquence of men and of angels, but have no love, I become no more than blaring brass or crashing cymbal. If I have the gift of foretelling the future and hold in my mind not only all human knowledge but the very secrets of God, and if I also have that absolute faith which can move mountains, but have no love, I amount to nothing at all. If I dispose of all that I possess, yes, even if I give my own body to be burned, but have no love, I achieve precisely nothing.

This love of which I speak is slow to lose patience - it looks for a way of being constructive. It is not possessive: it is neither anxious to impress nor does it cherish inflated ideas of its own importance.

Love has good manners and does not pursue selfish advantage. It is not touchy. It does not keep account of evil or gloat over the wickedness of other people. On the contrary, it is glad with all good men when truth prevails.

Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen.

All gifts except love will be superseded one day

For if there are prophecies they will be fulfilled and done with, if there are "tongues" the need for them will disappear, if there is knowledge it will be swallowed up in truth. For our knowledge is always incomplete and our prophecy is always incomplete, and when the complete comes, that is the end of the incomplete.

When I was a little child I talked and felt and thought like a little child. Now that I am a man my childish speech and feeling and thought have no further significance for me.

At present we are men looking at puzzling reflections in a mirror. The time will come when we shall see reality whole and face to face! At present all I know is a little fraction of the truth, but the time will come when I shall know it as fully as God now knows me!

In this life we have three great lasting qualities - faith, hope and love. But the greatest of them is love.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:46 PM

... pay attention to WHO Bobert?


:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM

Thank you, Don...

And yeah, I have never said anywhere in my some 18,000 posts here that I hate anyone... It's not part of my DNA... My mom might have been a good little commie but she brought me up to love everyone because we are all God's creations... Then, if her lessons didn't take, I became a true follower of Dr. King... Hey, Dr. King wasn't ashamed to tell it like it was but he wasn't one to hold hatred for other people in his heart...

But I guess that Sawz just can't understand that concept... It's kinda like a square peg and a round hole for him as he thinks he he only spends more time picking out things I have said (all of which I will defend) that really have nothing to do with the various threads where he posts them that folks will see me as some kinda untrustworthy person whoes opinions don't count??? The problem here is two-fold... First, Sawz is wrong in thinking that... People know me from way back and they know what I stand for because at this stage in life I am what I am... I don't play games...

But secondly, Sawz thinks there are people out here in Mudburg who actually take him serious??? They don't... He is a pest... He is like the guy in high school who was always telling the teacher when other kids did this or that... No, not hurtin' anyone but like smokin' in the boys room... That's who Sawz is here and folks know it...

But thanks again, Don... Gets lonely being about the only person who pays any attention to Sawz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:19 PM

""Because there are people like Bobert constantly shouting how people hate somebody like he does and how people are telling other people to kill somebody.""

Concentrating on the snippets in which Bobert talks about how he feels, and reacts, you are objecting to the following:-

"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"    So does any real human being.

"I reckon that Sawz will come along now and say I hate America"    A reasonable supposition, based on past experience.

"I hate it that if you do what Tom Jefferson expected us to do in questioning our governement then the right says you hate America"    Yep!...Heard that on several occasions. Bush, for one, used it frequently, as did Cheney.

"so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president"    Following on the Republicans' blocking tactics against any attempt by Obama to reform healthcare, this is obvious to the whole civilised Western World.

"The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists"    He hates the behaviour. So do I.   And so should you.

"Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers"   I watch TV, and I've seen 'em, so what is your objection?

"I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization"   Since they so regularly express their hatred, you can't honestly deny that.

"I hated his policies"   Once again the policies, not the man.

Not once in all that did Bobert express a hatred for any individual of any political stripe. He hates behaviours, policies, racism, incitement of hatred, and the fact that, in his country, twenty percent of children go to bed hungry.

The way I see it, that makes this old hillbilly a better human being than most, and more truthful than many.

As for those who defend the lunatic right, well, like Bobert I don't hate them. I find them contemptible (contempt is not synonymous with hate Sawz), and irrelevant.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:06 PM

Why do Americans hate one another so much?

Because there are people like Bobert constantly shouting how people hate somebody like he does and how people are telling other people to kill somebody.

Then he blames all the hared and racism he stirs up on others.

From a single thread:

"they were filled with contempt (hate) of Obama"
"I saw some very hatefull signs"
"promoting hatefilled demonstartions"
"promoting hate is against the law" [pot and liquor laws excluded]
"The KKK epitomized the kinda hate that we witnessed this past week."
"They just hate the governemnt"'
"they really just flat out hate the governemnt"
"Yeah, they hate the governemnt "
"But they sho nuff hate the governemnt"
"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"
"Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol..." [I like it when he knows what he's talikng about]
"I reckon that Sawz will come along now and say I hate America"
"I hate it that if you do what Tom Jefferson expected us to do in questioning our governement then the right says you hate America" [example?]
"I hate it that a Tea Party gun-nut"
"There ain't enough hate in the world for this brand of right wing haters"
"so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president"
"Yer the governemnt hater here"
"The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists"
"Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers"
"I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization"
"the longer that the right is defined as violent people who hate the government"
"I hated his policies"

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:50 PM

If you compare MSNBC, ***a cable channel*** and not a channel that has use of the "public airwaves" to NBCm CBS or ABC you'll find that. yeah, MSNBC is probably the equvilant to FOX... My beef is that the FCC allows FOX to use something ("public airwaves") to broadcast Republican propaganda...

The others (CBS, NBC and ABC) are all purdy much mainstream and if they have biases they do a fairly good job of hiding them... Actaually I'me purdy disappointed with them right now because if FOX tells a lie loud and often enough they seems to fold their journalistic tents and chime in with FOX... But to say they are liberal is a joke...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM

Bobert, With all due respects, G.E. owns NBC, MSNBC...Don't you think their 'higher ups' are running the same thing? G.E. was a MAJOR contributor to Obama's candidacy, and they have landed quite a few 'sweetheart deals'.

The amazing thing is, that people favor one over the other, thinking that there is something different going on at the top. You can take any news story, and report it through the filters of any 'news' network, with an agenda, and people will have two completely different concepts of what is going on. I see that on here, a lot. I think most people will try to do the 'right thing' given the FACTS they have, but FACTS, without spin is hard to come by these days!

That in mind, the mood of the country is dividing, depending on where they get their 'news' and to what bent that news source is pandering to; already they are shooting barbs at each other, next waging a war of words, with each other, NOBODY LISTENING to each other, just talking over each other, forming cliques and groups with like, or opposing views,...hostility rises, it won't be long before some lunatic will pick up a weapon, and throw more than words!

Instead of try to promote a 'programmed cause' we, as musicians, if we draw deep into ourselves, pull up the best, can wage peace on these troubled things. But first, we have to get past our petty differences, and our lame excuses, and reasoning...do our homework, and bring something different, decent and wholesome, that feeds the soul, to awaken that which is truly good within people.

Again, as I've posted numerous times, people should be allowed to learn HOW to think...not WHAT to think! To that end, speak and sing to their hearts, and bring them peace...the rest will grow.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one another so much?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:50 AM

In the UK it is arguably worse in that Murdoch also controls the once respected Times newspaper and the nonce respected (pun intended) Sun daily rag with tits on page 3, as well as Sky with its tractor pulling for those who find NASCAR too intellectually challenging.

Both the UK and the USA are headed for the pit of corruption typified by Italy where Berlusconi's lock on the media gets him elected and then he abuses his political power to exempt himself from criminal law.