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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:45 PM Just following Doug's example, Pete- check him out some time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:34 PM Greg F, I've had own my squabbles with Doug R, but it's particularly graceless to be slagging off a 'catter who isn't even in the thread. I can't say I've seen much evidence for McG's generalisation. Au contraire I am struck by the predisposition of many Americans to respect their political opponents almost regardless of how strongly they may disagree with them. For my part I see no point respecting people who peddle (say) immoral values when they are well enough educated to know better. But I suppose I do take this intolerance to a greater extreme than most fellow Brits. I shudder to think what kind of an impression is created in other countries by the weekly horror show of Prime Minister's questions. It is far from typical of the work that goes on at Westminster, but it puts on display a level of puerile rancour that I've seldom seen in US politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:20 PM Q: The "right wants marriage to mean heterosexual marriage." So does the Catholic hierarchy. So do many in the Islamic hierarchies. And so do many rank and file members. Are they all 'righties? I was talking about politics. That some religious group has the same beliefs or goals as the religious right in this country seems to me completely irrelevant. I was talking about one specific group. They are collectively called the "Religious Right" and have been for 30 years. I noted one of their goals/desires. I don't see what the Catholic Church has to do with it, or whether the word "right" should apply to them or not. I'm not saying the group is right because they believe such-and-such about marriage. I'm saying the group is right AND they believe such-and-such about marriage. Clear now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:14 PM Hatred is much safer in the UK where we do not have gun nuts. But I have come to the view that hatred of the lunatic right is part of human evolution. They are dangerous and threatening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:13 PM The "right wants marriage to mean heterosexual marriage." So does the Catholic hierarchy. So do many in the Islamic hierarchies. And so do many rank and file members. Are they all 'righties? I also find it amusing that someone who hasn't posted to this thread is an object of derision- and by extension- hatred?- by lefties. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:12 PM Agree, they should be allowed their voice, however much I disagree with it. That's American democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:07 PM "But that doesn't make the Teabaggers right," Right or not, they should be allowed their voice. It's the others that are out of line. Disagreeing is no reason to employ fraudulent means, and smear tactics....or hate speech! Not disagreeing with you Mouser... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:57 PM Yes the Teabaggers have so much love. Infiltration seems pointless. But that doesn't make the Teabaggers right, no more than the student protests that blocked access or damaged buildings in the 1960s were right. And if "kill him!" isn't hate, you need your dictionary calibrated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:43 PM No hate here on this end....however there are those who ACCUSE others of hatred to ennoble their so-called 'cause'. Much of what is happening in the 'news' is rather contrived, then fanned. Take the 'infiltrators' of the Tea Party, for example. They are willing to pretend to be one of them to make an incident, which is false, and blame it on the Tea Partiers. I'm not a Tea Party person, but they, like the students at Berkeley in the 60's have the right to assemble, to free speech, and protest. It's ironic how that is changed, and stifled, by the very people(illusion) who did the same thing!! This is contrived, as our nation is being 'changed' from one form of government to another! Peace...LOVE!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Bobert Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:33 PM Define freedom, itch... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: michaelr Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:58 PM Hate comes from fear, and one thing the white right wing fears more than most things is the fact that in a few years the brown people will be in the majority here in the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:36 PM I think about the freedom that McCain's bill would take away from me. Does the right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: ichMael Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM America has the Bill of Rights. The big point of contention is between those who care about it and those who don't. Unfortunately, a large number of Americans would rather not think about freedom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Bobert Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:27 PM Greg F., Whoa... I didn't say that Dougie didn't have his head up his arse... I just said that compared to others here he has his head up hisn arse with a level of grace... lol... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: GUEST,kendall Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:27 PM I certainly don't hate anyone. I have three friends who are so far right they make Rush Limbaugh look like Gus Hall. I have had some very heated discussions with them but if I hated them I wouldn't give them the time of day. I only argue with those whose opinion I value. Besides, I have never learned anything from someone who agrees with me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:11 PM That kind of thing generally strikes me as knockabout pantomime stuff for the most part, especially when it's about music. Margaret Thatcher was a special case, an exception that proves the rule. I can't think of any other politician in a hundred years and more that inspired the same reaction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Ebbie Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:55 PM "It occurs to me that maybe there's a feeling that in order to have an argument you have to work up a personal fury against the peop0le you are arguing with - the kind of thing that sometimes crops up in threads on the Mudcat."McGrath Kevin, I see that Edmund has addressed the thought I would like to point out: In my opinion, UKers are FAR more combative and furiously scornful in their behavior toward each other than the USAers normally are. Now this does not necessarily involve political parties, but it does include differing views on just about anything else. It is not just my own observation; Joe O has made the same point in the past. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:53 PM McGrath: So which were the partly right bits? It's true that the Right is losing control, for instance, over the word "marriage." They want it to mean heterosexual marriage, and society is changing in such a way as eventually to make it include homosexual marriage as well. This feels like a direct attack against biblical morality, which they feel obliged to uphold. The country has lost a lot of rights since Reagan, for instance the 4th amendment right against unreasonable seizure. McCain has sponsored (or co-sponsored, I think) a bill that would take away the right to trial and habeas corpus. These attacks have come from conservative judges/justices, or Republican legislators (or presidents). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:50 PM Doug R is a rare example of someone on the right who undertstands what grace is all about Even if I grant your point, Bobert, (which I don't- I can show you his posts, if need be), he's still got his head up his arse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: CET Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:47 PM I dunno, McGrath, I've seen some genuine political hatred from UK Mudcatters on this website, and I don't mean anti-BNP ranting (which I agree with, by the way). Still, I have to agree that the hatred is mostly directed at Margaret Thatcher, and by extension, anyone who thinks she wasn't entirely evil, and not so much at the current Conservative party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Bobert Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:45 PM Heck, I don't hate anyone... Okay, some really piss me off... But hate??? Nah... But I sho nuff hate alot of the behaviors I see on the republican/right side of the political divide... I think it is mnot only racist but hypocritical... And I hate folks sayin, "Well, geeze... Both sides are guilty of it..." No, they are not... Just like here with my problems with a cyber-stalkier who is obsessed with me, yeah, I'll try to defend myself but it ain't me who is initatin' the conflict... All, I'm doing is counter punching and that's purdy much waht the Dems have been doing... Hey, it all comes down to grace and the right, for the most part is clueless about what grace is... Doug R is a rare example of someone on the right who undertstands what grace is all about... Most are totally clueless... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:44 PM So which were the partly right bits? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:40 PM McGrath: Where does the Bible say anything about guns? That was meant to be humour. Obviously a misfire. Sigh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:38 PM Sorry, not teach their kids evolution, teach their kids creationism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:35 PM Where does the Bible say anything about guns? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:33 PM People hate because they feel threatened. The Religious Right in this country feel that their American Christian way of life is being threatened, and they will no longer be able to do the things the Bible requires of them (go to church, teach their kids evolution, carry guns). The left fears that their political freedoms will be taken away (growing medicinal pot, listening to NPR, voting). Both are partly right and partly wrong. It's not a good mix. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:23 PM I for one don't "hate" members of any political party left or right for being members of the party of their choice. What I DO hate are liars, stupidity and ignorance. If the shoe fits- |
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Subject: BS: Why do Americans hate one other so much? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:05 PM I mean when it comes to politics. I'm just thinking of the elections we've got here in the UK now. I mean there's plenty of scorn and arguing, but there's not much in the way of genuine hate. Of course the differences between our parties is less than it used to be, resulting in widespread apathy. But the differences between your parties in the States are pretty minor, when it comes to actual issues. Two wings of our Conservative Party at daggers drawn with each other. Plenty to argue about, but why the level of hate? It occurs to me that maybe there's a feeling that in order to have an argument you have to work up a personal fury against the people you are arguing with - the kind of thing that sometimes crops up in threads on the Mudcat. Very strange. |
