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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:30 PM Susan.... Can I watch Gasland with you or borrow it when you are done please? Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM Hey LF, one area we have not had tome to research is skin absorption. Some of the chemicals I have heard about I think can go in that way. (Neurotoxins, as if any of us need to be dumber!) So since you have a pool, can you look around to see-- how much danger is there in the literature from sitting in pools of FU water? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:20 PM Not So Fast, Natural Gas (PDF) Illustrates the fracking process and outlines the issues. Nice handout. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:27 PM an excerpt from that PDF:
Government Failures Meanwhile, the effects of fracking on water are poorly regulated. In 2005, after intensive lobbying from the energy industry, Congress passed the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which included an edit to the Safe Drinking Water Act that removed hydraulic fracturing from being considered underground injection, which is regulated by the EPA.21 This has been called the Halliburton loophole,22 because of the role that the company appears to have played in influencing its passage. The numbers embedded in there refer to footnotes in the PDF. :~) Not Bible verses-- I'll leave those to our diocese's Social Justice commission, whose chair is actually our first vacay stop (on another matter). ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Jul 10 - 06:55 PM Got some reliable stuff via email today. I say "reliable" because it comes from a source whose personal health situation requires her to do her homework. Anything folks here can add about their impressions of the below would be helpful. ~S~ === This is a good website: http://www.marcellus-shale.us/ There's an awful lot more in the discharged water than extra salt - various chemicals, possible methane, possible radioactivity. They do not need to disclose the chemicals to anyone, not even local fire companies [who are first responders for enviro. disasters here], having been granted an exemption to the Clean Air/Clean Water Acts. The pollution of water is serious and almost certain.... people out west of us a ways (Pittsburgh area and so on) cannot even BATHE in the water because of this, much less drink it. Very, very bad situation. .... a mailing list about natural gas drilling: http://groups.google.com/group/citizensconcernedaboutnatgasdrilling?lnk=srg ======== |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 23 Jul 10 - 09:28 PM Interesting site. www.gaslandthemovie.com Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 10 - 02:55 PM If anyone wants a dvd of gasland PM me and I will send them out free of any charge or postage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 24 Jul 10 - 04:27 PM NY Times article on fracking: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/business/energy-environment/24gas.html?_r=1 ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Jul 10 - 04:45 PM E.P.A. Considers Risks of Gas Extraction," Tom Zeller Jr., New York Times, July 23, 2010. A public meeting concerning hydraulic fracturing (extracting natural gas "with a cocktail of water, sand and chemicals") at Canonsburg PA was well-attended. People came with horror stories which industry representatives tried to refute. More regulation, the industry warned, would kill jobs and stifle production of gas. "Pennsylvania is at the center of the battle over hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, which promises to open up huge swaths of land for natural gas extraction, but whose environmental risks are still uncertain." -------------- "...the potentially enormous natural gas play of the Marcellus Shale has many residents lining up to lease their land to the prospectors." Fracking mixtures are water, sand, and small amounts of "chemical thickeners, lubricants and other compounds." ---------------------- From experience, I can say that no harmful radioactive compounds are included; occasionally some tracers are used to work out migration paths. I do have worries about the use of the method in many parts of the Marcellus Shale. The Marcellus is at relatively shallow depths in many areas, and fracking may allow mixing of released gas into aquifers which supply water to wells. The fracking essentially disrupts parts of the formation. The Marcellus Shale has low porosity and acts as a seal, keeping fluids in formations below it from migrating upwards. Disruption of this seal could allow stored water in aquifers below it to escape, thus reducing the water available for agriculture, home use and limiting the future of usable water in areas under exploration. Hydraulic fracturing has a long history of use. My experience is limited to its use in oil production, where it was used to open up sands not quite porous enough to release the oil. This was done at depths greater than beds used as aquifers. There were occasional cases where, if there were several porous layers that were drilled through, salt water, e.g., in a lower layer could contaminate potable water in an upper layer. Examine the geology of the area of your interest; if there are danger points do not allow leasing and work to convince neighbors of the dangers to their water supplies. Talk with University geologists near you to get information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Jul 10 - 04:51 PM I do not know the status of leasing in Pennsylvania. Here in Alberta, leases are agreed to by the land owner. Many have bought lands from a previous owner who signed leasing agreements. These cannot be obtained back except by purchase. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 05 Feb 11 - 11:17 AM Frack map: AM I FRACKED UP? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Feb 11 - 03:59 PM A trial plant in Queensland which does the underground coal burn process has been shut down due to small levels of benzene and other contamination of water . Not fracking, but related in terms of similar geological side effects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:20 PM The comments with the map are not entirely correct. Effect of gravity- Gaseous (methane), light and liquid hydrocarbon compounds will tend to rise in a formation, thus "uphill." Does the map show only drilling for fracking, or are some actually oil wells? The 1000 feet limitation is ridiculous, as mentioned. Depends on porosity of the sediments, type of contaminant, etc. Gaseous and light compounds can go a long distance if there is no natural barrier such as lack of porosity. Depths to the Marcellus beds? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 05 Feb 11 - 11:08 PM I reckon we are now seein' some of the *secrets* being revealed in the Dick Cheney "energy plan"??? What next??? Hey!!! Ain't challengin' the polluters here to pollute more... BTW, why isn't there a class act5ion suit going??? Oh yeah??? I forgot... We don't mess with polluters... It's bad for Boss Hog Polluters, Inc.... Anti-business... Beam me up, Scotty... They tryin' to burn this joint down... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,bankley Date: 06 Feb 11 - 09:38 AM actor Mark Ruffalo was placed on the terror alert watch list by Penn. Office of Homeland Security last Nov. for promoting and organizing screenings of Gasland. What's wrong with this picture ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Feb 11 - 01:33 PM New York Times today, an article about an earthquake swarm near Guy, Arkansas, possibly caused by fracking according to state geologists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,biff Date: 06 Feb 11 - 01:49 PM question: if we are drilling for natural gas in order to lesson our dependence on foreign energy, who will we be dependent on when we have no clean water left to drink? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: olddude Date: 06 Feb 11 - 02:03 PM I think it is one of the worse things we could possibly do. Sooner or later every person in this country will have a water supply affected by it. The chemicals they use, I have read all kinds of contradictory statements that they cause cancer to they are fine ... problem is nobody really knows ... insanity for sure |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 21 Feb 11 - 06:15 AM Farmers count cost of coal seam gas rush QUOTE ... found the safety data sheet QGC had submitted for the fracking chemical THPS was American, incomplete and 10 years out of date. Chemical management expert Mariann Lloyd-Smith also examined the documents and believes the company may be in breach of the national safety code governing toxic chemicals. Federal and state government regulators put a total of 1,500 conditions on QGC's Curtis LNG Project when they approved it late last year. But Dr Lloyd-Smith believes the company's safety sheets - used in its recent Environment Authority application - are not up to scratch. Under a national code, safety data sheets on chemicals used must contain information on Australian emergency contacts and regulations and be written within the past five years. UNQUOTE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:47 PM The politicians here are trying to justify fattening their bank accounts by going on a (an expensive) vacation in Arkansas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 Feb 11 - 09:49 AM Regulation lax as gas wells' tainted water hits rivers Dangers to environment and health are greater than previously understood By IAN URBINA The New York Times updated 2/27/2011 The main point of this rather long article is that fracking results in dumping huge amounts of contaminated water into rivers and groundwater sources for public water supplies. 1. The water being dumped generally contains radioactive contaminants from naturally occuring materials in the fracked earth. Levels up to 750 times EPA regulations for radiation in drinking water are reported. 2. Measurement of radiation levels in public water is ALMOST NEVER REQUIRED by EPA. 3. No public water treatment facilities have significant ability to remove radiation from water delivered to the public. Most treatment facilities have NO CAPABILITY for treating to remove radiation contamination. 4. There are additional chemical contaminents with known high levels of hazard in fracking wastewater that are poorly handled by the few public water resource plants capable even of monitoring them, and MOST TREATMENT FACILITIES lack any useful methods of removal. 5. Most of the applicable reports on contamination by fracking wells has NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC and was found (for this article) only via FOI demands and/or by analysis of "disguised" information in wellhead data reports that are not required to "directly report" environmental impacts. 6. It's all about the money. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,TIA Date: 27 Feb 11 - 10:05 AM Wastewater treatment plants and the downstream (!) drinking water plants almost never test for radioactivity. Be afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,Lilyestre Date: 27 Feb 11 - 09:08 PM Yep. I read that article too. Posted it on Facebook. It's scary. Very scary. There are at least 8 drilling pads within 3 miles of our home. Can't help but wonder what's going to happen around this area by the time they are done with us. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: JohnInKansas Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:48 AM Rather suggestive incident reported at a link posted in another thread: Man-Made Earthquakes in Iceland. The quakes here are a side effect, like the ones reported for fracking areas? Although Skarpi doesn't believe the "man made" quakes are related to the current flurry of "natural" ones there, when the earth moves, it's difficult to predict where it will stop moving. You can't usually move one piece of ground without shoving another chunk out of the way. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Desert Dancer Date: 28 Feb 11 - 02:10 PM Here's a link to that article at nytimes.com, where they have some graphics and attached documents and other links that are not with the same article at the msnbc.com link that John gave: Regulation Lax as Gas Wells' Tainted Water Hits Rivers. Apparently this article is the first in a series. Really good reporting -- and a frightening report. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Desert Dancer Date: 01 Mar 11 - 07:03 PM Next article in the series: Wastewater Recycling No Cure-All in Gas Process |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 01 Mar 11 - 07:16 PM I found that article to be very scarey. I live in the area of Pennsylvania that is being heavily drilled. I'm curious about where the injection sites are. I know one is about 15 miles from us but with so many wells around, I wonder where the other ones are. They are also currently building a waste-water recycling center in our area. Time will tell how well it works out but in the meantime......... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 01 Mar 11 - 08:01 PM Good news/bad news... Okay, here's the good news: Because of the natural gas we'll all have warm houses... Now for the bad news... ...,of course, we'll all be dead in those warm houses from drinking poisoned water... B:~( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 01 Mar 11 - 10:53 PM The debate is on in Cape Breton on drilling and exploration. The point has been made strongly that fracking will not be tolerated and we want assurance before drilling starts. So far the oil industry has not been truthful about their intention. Although we badly need the employment they can go to Hell if they can't be honest! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Desert Dancer Date: 03 Mar 11 - 11:27 AM next artice in the NY Times series: Politics Seen to Limit E.P.A. as It Sets Rules for Natural Gas ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 03 Mar 11 - 01:21 PM Sandy, The gas drilling folk have been quite dishonest with us personally. In fact, after several conversations, they have been told to leave and stay off our property (geez that sounds so redneck). They are not welcome to come to the door, down the driveway or to walk through our fields. EVER. Period. Almost all of them drive white trucks (unless it's a water truck...fresh or otherwise) and they are everywhere. I swear I will never, EVER buy a white vehicle ever again! They just make me cringe. Some of the people are decent folk just trying to make a living but a good deal of them drop litter wherever they please, drive down the center of our little back roads, the road damage is ridiculous and in the last few weeks, they've caused several accidents...I'm thinking it's because they have NO idea how to drive in winter conditions (many of them are from the south...we see lots of Texas plates here). They have so much bad press that when they had a fire (about the size of a house fire) going on at one of their well pads (corner of Elk Run Road and Ashley Hill Road), there was nothing in the newspaper about it or on the news. Further, the fire trucks were seen racing out of town but not a light or a siren to be heard. Apparently there's no need to alert the public. I know there was a fire because I SAW IT and a friend of mine who is a driver told me exactly what happened. So why is this not public knowledge??!?!? Creepy if you ask me. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 03 Mar 11 - 02:15 PM JohnInKansas... "Although Skarpi doesn't believe the "man made" quakes are related to the current flurry of "natural" ones there,..." Can you point out the post for me, John? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 03 Mar 11 - 02:54 PM Found it, John. I suppose you could say that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:20 AM CBC New Brunswick Sunday... Episode: N.B. Gas (NEW) The controversy surrounding shale gas drilling and ``fracking.'' 12:00 - 12:30 PM CBAT (3) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 11 - 12:19 AM Bugger all this looming crap...its all really happening RIGHT THIS MINUTE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Apr 11 - 06:27 PM Recent comment: Carcinogens injected into gas wells, report says Millions of gallons of dangerous chemicals used, three House Democrats say Associated Press 4/16/2011 WASHINGTON — Millions of gallons of potentially hazardous chemicals and known carcinogens were injected into wells by leading oil and gas service companies from 2005 to 2009, a report by three House Democrats said Saturday. The report said 29 of the chemicals injected were known or suspected human carcinogens. They either were regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act as risks to human health or listed as hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. Methanol was the most widely used chemical. The substance is a hazardous air pollutant and is on the candidate list for potential regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act. The report was issued by Reps. Henry Waxman of California, Edward Markey of Massachusetts and Diana DeGette of Colorado. The chemicals are injected during hydraulic fracturing, a process used in combination with horizontal drilling to allow access to natural gas reserves previously considered uneconomical. The growing use of hydraulic fracturing has allowed natural gas production in the United States to reach levels not achieved since the early 1970s. However, the process requires large quantities of water and fluids, injected underground at high volumes and pressure. The composition of these fluids ranges from a simple mixture of water and sand to more complex mixtures with chemical additives. The report said that from 2005 to 2009, the following states had at least 100,000 gallons of hydraulic fracturing fluids containing a carcinogen injected underground: Texas, Colorado, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Wyoming, North Dakota, New Mexico, Montana and Utah. States with 100,000 gallons or more of fluids containing a regulated chemical under the Safe Drinking Water Act were: Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Mississippi and North Dakota. The report said many chemical components were listed as "proprietary" or "trade secret." [i.e. "we won't tell you if it might be embarrassing."] "Hydraulic fracturing has opened access to vast domestic reserves of natural gas that could provide an important stepping stone to a clean energy future," the report said. "Yet, questions about the safety of hydraulic fracturing persist, which are compounded by the secrecy surrounding the chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing fluids. This analysis is the most comprehensive national assessment to date of the types and volumes of chemical used in the hydraulic fracturing process." [end quote] It's difficult to tell how much we should be impressed by this statement, as it doesn't really provide enough in "hard factual detail" to help with a real examination of the situation. It does suggest that more information is available (to some) than I've been able to find elsewhere. A link at the bottom of the article indicates more information at: http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/. I haven't looked at what might be at that link as yet, although the link verification in Preview indicates there's at least "an article" on the subject there. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 17 Apr 11 - 07:11 PM "The report said many chemical components were listed as "proprietary" or "trade secret." " That is unaccepatable. Full stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Apr 11 - 07:48 PM DEP, Shell investigate methane in water by Jason Przybycien przybycj@tiogapublishing.com Published: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:17 PM CDT Copyright © 2011 The Wellsboro Gazette. A Charleston Township family cannot use their water because the flammable gas methane is present. The family lives near a natural gas well pad owned by Shell Appalachia. Shell stated April 12 that the family's well had been disconnected while the methane, a component of natural gas, is tested to see if it came from the nearby gas wells or not. "As part of our commitment to determining the source of the methane, we are fully assessing the surrounding area, including our well pad, as a potential source," Shell said. "Specific to the well pad, Shell is conducting additional inspection and sampling on each of the gas wells on the well pad. At this time, the source of the methane in the water well is unknown. "As part of our assessment of the surrounding area, initial sampling of the surrounding water wells within a 1,000-foot radius of our drilling wells has been completed and there was no detectable methane in the sampled water wells. As a precaution, we also conducted initial monitoring on water wells located within a 2,000-foot radius of our drilling wells." Oh goody. They're investigating themselves. In the meantime the fam has no water supply unless they buy it. THAT will encourage others to report the same issue! (And more workers in our yards, to monitor our wells! Love that!) ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Stringsinger Date: 18 Apr 11 - 09:38 AM Fracking is the poisoning of countries just as they are doing with nuclear plants and fossil burning coal plants. You have to connect this to the bigger picture of corporate American ruining the world to line their pockets. If people are upset enough about all the negative issues in the world today, this makes the corporate world and the Pentagon happy because they can control through shock therapy. When you consider who are the most greedy corporations and tax cheats in the world, gas companies are right up there high on the list. Fracking is part of the bigger picture, an assault on the poor, the middle class and the disadvantaged by corporate "special" interests such as the Koch Brothers and their "Christian" agenda. Keep connecting the dots. Obama wants nuclear energy and is giving out oil leases to companies that have ruined the Gulf Coast. Fracking is part of the picture. The big lie is that there is not enough money to support research and development in alternative wind and solar energies. This is not true! Gas and oil companies combined with Wall Street speculators who are uncontrolled by regulatory commissions will continue to poison the earth to line their pockets and raise prices at the pump. A crime is being committed on the world's people by these corporate "mafias". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:30 AM We get some US programs here on SBS - some of the US ads get thru. Chevron is assuring us they are spending millions on 'alternate green energy', solar, etc... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Dharmabum Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:45 PM I've got house setting directly on top of the marchellis shale formation in Potter County PA. I can't see a rig from my house yet,but I hear the thunder. DB. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Apr 11 - 09:44 PM Same here DB. As far as diaster looming? Nope. No more looming, it's here. There was a fracking disaster less than 15 miles from our house on Tuesday. Here's a link to an interesting article...kinda funny...but not: Fracking Disaster And this morning, a water truck (residual waste, I think), tipped over 15 miles from our house in the opposite direction. A friend of mine has 2 adult children working in a local gas drilling company and when she asked them how safe this REALLY is, BOTH of them replied, "Don't drink the water." And oh yeah. They have started drilling more wells on the pad that is less than half a mile from our home. I want to move. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Apr 11 - 09:49 PM Wait till your skies light up like the War of the Worlds, flashing against the reflecting clouds. You and your critters will LOVE that part. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Apr 11 - 09:55 PM Let's not forget the RICDICULOUS amount of trucks, litter and NOISE. If you are used to a quiet living space...FORGET IT. And when they blast for the fracking pathways with dynamite..even though its far underground, it sounds like a war going on with lots of gun fighting. Good times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Apr 11 - 10:47 AM I'm kinda partial to the red mud now all over the roads and thus all over the air and thus all over the furniture. Having solved the dog-dust-in-the-house issue it's only right that I should gain buckets of it thru the windows. Acourse once yer kitchen is re-grimed ya wanna step out for supper..... but then all the parking lots and tables are full of gasdudes. But the waitresses are very happy! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 31 May 11 - 11:32 AM (I am not at ALL suggesting that anything about fracking is good, but a neat guy just stopped by, and there is a kewl apparent upside even in the midst of all the land-raping.) An appropriately-garbed young man (reminded me of our son Mike) came up to the porch mos' 'speckfully just now (I was proof-listening on my new laptop to an AfAm man a read PD Spurgeon work). He was asking about getting onto the farmland behind, uphill, which is owned by our landlord. Kevin, from PAF: The Public Archaeology Facility (PAF) is a research center within the Department of Anthropology specializing in Cultural Resource Management. PAF's primary goal is to train archaeologists to be field and research specialists within a cultural resource management (CRM) framework. PAF's research focus is the Northeastern United States with an emphasis on the Susquehanna, Chenango, and Chemung Valleys of New York and Pennsylvania. Students receive intensive mentoring in the legal, administrative, and research management of archaeological projects through a variety of grants and contracts awarded to PAF. [my paraphrase of a long chat] "Oh, well, we just want to post flags every 50 feet to dig test pits, to be sure that if there are any archaeological sites under all that fracking-mess, we can make them go around them and then we can look into them or at least record their locations for other diggers. But we don't want the cows to get sick eating our flags. Are they good cows to go among, is there another pasture they can go into when we dig, and who owns the next pieces over 'there'and 'there' and 'there'?" So of course I hooked him up, but how cool is THAT!?!?!?! His "farm manners" were exquisite, and I was in my jammies, totally OK having him set a spell to tell me what-all they do. Nice peeps. Even in a yellow shirt too much like the frackers wear, but it's for his safety I am sure. Dogs liked him OK too. Almost as good as seeing Mike in his plant-conservation days. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 31 May 11 - 02:01 PM At the risk of raising the price of doing fracking business, people can sabotage them. It was done with logging. There comes a time when the expense of euqipment damages exceed the need to work in that specific location. However legislation is required for sweeping change. Your neighborhood could pass the hat and you will quickly see you can not afford the same lobbyists that Gas COmpanies can afford to hire. One must do what they can afford to do to make a difference here and now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Jun 11 - 10:18 AM ""And I really think that this thing is going to take off and start booming. And I'm hoping with my fingers crossed," Steeves said."" I really think that is in need of rephrasing. The last thing anyone should be wanting in connection with inflammable gas is a BOOM! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 01 Jun 11 - 05:24 PM If it anybody's planning a visit to Blackpool, it might be an idea to do it sooner rather than later: Small earthquake in Blackpool |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Nigel Parsons Date: 02 Jun 11 - 05:28 AM It's just one fracking thing after another: 100! |
