BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs

Subject: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: GUEST,Patsy Warren
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:03 AM

I was having an unusually quiet moment at work and thought I would browse the Internet and I stumbled upon a website about Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs called The Wolf Dunn which gives detailed information about this e.g. the best Wolf/dog mixes etc. Is there anyone out there who has one or is considering it. It would not be realistic for me to think about this I as live in a groundfloor flat and I don't think the residents would be non too pleased with me. But I have alway been a fan of the wolf and interested in their behaviours and dominance roles and family stuctures infact I am a fan of wild hunting dogs in general. Please could anyone share their experiences good and the pitfalls.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:10 AM

The jurisdiction you live in may be important. There are restrictions on private ownership of wolves and wolf cross breeds in England and Wales and probably Scotland, and some European countries too. Such restrictions are in part based on the welfare of wild animals and in part on the safety of the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:17 AM

googling links & photos for wolf / poodle cross is quite interesting...

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Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 10:31 AM

What you end up with is the aggressiveness of the wolf with no fear of man ... dangerous combination for sure

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: maeve
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 10:41 AM

I found some information for understanding the nature of the animals here

In our area someone wants to run a wolf dog rescue facility. So far it has been voted down by the residents.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:34 AM

To my knowledge, I've never met a hybrid wolf/dog (In Alaska, however, it is quite possible) but in Oregon I knew a woman who owned a half dog/coyote.

It was a beautiful animal but the most neurotic I think I have ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:42 AM

Diefenbaker?

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:48 AM

Dave... Hahahahaaa!

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 11:54 AM

'Erbert, is that a Woodle, or a Poof?

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 02:13 PM

A few people in northern Alberta and the southern territories have wolf-dog crosses. The regulations in Alberta forbid wolves but do not mention crosses.
They are used by some dog-sledders.
Note the links adv. with this thread.

A friend had a wolf she raised from a pup. It had to wander, not just nearby, but 50 miles or more away it would turn up and she had to go and get it.
A place near Banff, Alberta, used to have wolves for use in movies.
One trait that is very dog-like is that they love rides. Visitors left their cars at the gate and were picked up in a pick-up, with wolves riding joyously in the back. They definitely said not an animal suitable as a pet, and said crosses needed a firm hand.

I would not recommend the crosses; the wrong traits may be dominant.

Territoriality, a tendency to wander, large size, variability in temperament- the latter has been standardized and largely suppressed in dogs.
As the link on care indicates, they can be variable- and this is a difficult trait to forecast. If you get one that is unsuitable, it will have to be put down.

A son has rotweilers. They tend to be babies and need much TLC. I prefer the mid-size breeds.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 02:18 PM

The links are gone.
Look through www.trainpetdog.com.Wolfdog for the article "All About Wolfdog Puppies."

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 02:20 PM

Here's a book by Renee Haskins that might be of interest to you:

Shadow Mountain

I understand that she is married to Tom Rush - one of my favorite singers.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Melissa
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 05:57 PM

In my area, dogs and coyotes mingle themselves.
We call them devildogs..pretty scary sounding when a pack of them is hollering in the woods.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 06:32 PM

We have them here also Melissa. What the DEA tells us it the problem comes that Coyotes are loners by nature, they are solitary hunters with a deep fear of man. When they cross with a dog, they become pack hunters with no fear of man ... 5 miles down the road a lady was walking the rails to trails with her two black labs and her dogs were attacked by several of the mixed species ... one dog was killed the other what torn up really well. In the newpaper she said she was kicking at them hitting them with a tree branch and they still would not stop the attack ..

The DEA came out and trapped them ... but I hear them howling in the grapevines at night .. most of what I see is straight coyotes ... they tend to take out your cats if you are not careful or a small dog but generally will not mess with a larger dog ... the mixed breed however is not cool ..

I take my 130 lb lab dog for a walk all the time in the grapevines .. but I am also carrying a firearm when I do

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:29 PM

Dan, is the "grapevines" a euphemism?

Sign me, Confused Eb.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: maeve
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:54 PM

Ebbie, Dan lives in grape country. His grapevines be real.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:07 PM

Here's where should be a tiny jOhn

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Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:17 PM

Kydogs (as we called them) are endemic throughout the Midwest and West. One problem with them is that rabies is also endemic in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 12:15 AM

We knew some people who had a bitch mix of wolf and something else, can't remember what. She was l-o-n-g legged, beautiful and a sweet "dog," but she had health problems from the mixing and had to be put down several years later when still quite young. She also had issues with certain of their other dogs (no wolf mixes other than her.) Also, even though they had tons of acres, she had to be kept in a very tight, very tall enclosure when the family weren't around or when they were but could not let her run loose. When she did get loose there was no catching her. It was a beautiful thing to see, her all stretched out, going like the wind, but seeing her cooped up was very sad and just wrong.

On the other hand, when my dad was growing up on a ranch, he told of a coyote who "courted" their dog and was in general quite well-mannered as were their pups. I do have one picture which looks like a coyote or fox curled up against a tractor tire on the old ranch, but none of pups or anything. Times were much different then, less people, less domestic critters, or at least farther between.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: open mike
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 12:27 AM

DEA?? Drug Enforcement Association??

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: GUEST,Patsy Warren
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 05:58 AM

So what is the origins of the Husky (beautiful dogs) do they have wolf roots or are they a breed on their own? In films or programs I have seen on tv the pack is usually outside chained up ready to head off and treated much differently to a family labrador. Is this to make them function just for the purpose of racing or sled pulling or is it a wolf trait that is essential for what they do. I wonder this because I have noticed that they are usually in order of dominance and the 'higher' dog appears to be treated differently to the rest of the pack. Thanks for the links which I can read through in my lunch break.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 06:24 AM

130lb lab? You are joking? A lab should be maybe 70 lbs, a big dog maybe 80 lbs. 130lbs is in small Great Dane territory.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 08:21 AM

Rabies vaccines are not certified for wolf hybrids, so if such an animal were to break the skin of a human with it's teeth it would have to be put down and its brain tested. This is necessary even if the bite was playful. Also these animals have behavior problems living with humans. I know of one hybrid in Anchorage that dug a huge hole in a $6,000 leather sofa when it decided one night that the sofa was where it wanted to nest. It is against the law to own a wolf in Alaska, but there are unscrupulous people in Alaska who will raid a den and steal all the purebred wolf pups then sell them as wolf hybrids.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: olddude
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 12:24 PM

Sorry open mike DEC ... Dept Environmental Conservation can't type

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 12:28 PM

The DNA of dogs shows descent from wolves (many from the gray wolf og the Middle East. A few show (Akita, Chow) a relationship to the Asian wolf. Nature, March 17, 2010.
These results have been disputed; there may have been a split of dogs from wolves before that time.

Dog burials date to 14000 years ago in Europe, 11000 years in America, so the association between man and dog is at least that old.

Guest Patsy, appearances can be deceiving, since dissimilar dog breeds can be bred to look more like wolves, sheep, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 04:25 PM

$6,000 leather sofa? Do the words "More money than sense" apply?

Plenty of dogs have shredded plenty of sofas over the years (and kitchens, etc) but no-one says that is evidence of "behaviour problems living with humans".

Subject: RE: BS: Hybrid Wolves / Wolfdogs
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 06:43 PM

My youngest brother had a Siberian wolf skin. He came home one day to find the two Irish Setters attacking it. He still has it, chew holes and all.