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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:38 PM Colbert's testimony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM So, Amos, you still insist on one set of rules for those you disagree with, and a different set for those you support???? Shame on you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 23 Sep 10 - 12:01 PM I suggest, Bruce, that your interpretation of Bobert's thoughts is unseasoned and insensitive to his poetic forms and his nuanced expressions. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Sep 10 - 11:55 AM Amos, "Individual assholes and hypocrites are EASY to find in political schools and camps. Nothing easier. That does not mean that the whole class--including those in it who are trying to do something positive and make some progress--should be roundly and hysterically condemned by your sweeping assertions. " Care to inform Bobert of this? HE seems to think otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 23 Sep 10 - 11:22 AM GfS, Stop waving your arms and expostulating hysterically. It doesn't make your point any clearer, you know. Au contraire. No one is arguing that people under the Dem brand CAN be just as asinine as people under the Republican brand, or for that matter people under the libertarian, anarchic, socialist, internationalist, or any other damn theory-of-group-management brand. Individual assholes and hypocrites are EASY to find in political schools and camps. Nothing easier. That does not mean that the whole class--including those in it who are trying to do something positive and make some progress--should be roundly and hysterically condemned by your sweeping assertions. For one thing, I do not see you making better contributions or suggesting more workable solutions. Whyn't you come up with some? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Ebbie Date: 23 Sep 10 - 11:07 AM Bobert, the little guy inside your head is a wise man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 23 Sep 10 - 10:14 AM What??? Looking at the behavior of the Repubs and Tealiban and pointing out that it is rude and narrow minded makes me a exposer of Dem talking points??? Liberal??? Yeah... Dem??? No... Hey, it ain't just the Dems who are growin' just a little tired of these grown people acting like children and threqatened to use guns to get their way and shouting down folks with real ideas when they are completely idea-less... (No, Boberdz... They "want their country back"...) Which country is that, GfinS... The one where Jim Crow strung up black folks fir entertainment... (No, Boberdz... The country that had lower taxes...) When e3xactly was that??? The tax rates today are the lowest they have been in 30 years and lower than any industrialized country on Earth... (No, Boberdz... What we meant was that we want the government out of our lives...) What, by mandatin' that the government can make reproductive decisons for women... (That's different, Boberdz... Abortion is murder...) Well, so is capital punishment yet tonight Virginia is going to murder a retarded woman who was conned by two triggermen to get involved in in killin' this woman's husband and son for the insurance... The two guys who did the killing got life... This woman??? Death!!! (But, Boberdz... She deserves to die...) Oh??? And the trigger men didn't... Give me a break... (Nevermind that, Boberdz... Just give us our country back and we'll call it a day...) Great... Take the sunabich... Now what you gonna do??? Huh??? What you gonna do??? Huh??? Cat got yer tongue or are ya'll waiting for your orders from FOX??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Sep 10 - 01:35 AM The two of you are still dancing the same liberal waltz....You still have said absolutely NOTHING!!! You can't see that NONE of the Democraps, who, by the way are being blown away in the polls, for this upcoming election, are campaigning on their accomplishments of 'health care' and 'stimulus', or any of the other horseshit they heaped on the American public?????..and how many are distancing themselves from the present administration?? in hopes that will help them get re-elected??? ITS NOT WORKING!! THEY FUCKED UP!!..and now the country is EAGERLY awaiting to get them the hell out of Washington! Same with a lot of the bullshit incumbent Republicunts, as well! We just can't print more worthless money, sell the bonds to China and Saudi Arabia forever!!! We have to create our own wealth, and stop borrowing from the future!! Why is that so fucking hard to understand? If this administration was really serious about lowering the tax burden of our people, why is he allowing big corporations to make tax free money with offshore manufacturing, while OUR people are out of work???? NEITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE WORKING FOR YOU!!...BUT THEY SURE HAVE YOU FOOLED!!! Yes, the Republicans did the same thing, because neither of these paper tigers are the ones in control! The Republicans are now spouting shit about the borders, now that they don't have the White House..how come they ignored it when they did??...Now the Dems are doing the same fucking thing! ITS ALL BULLSHIT! Isn't it patently obvious to you, NOW??? Ok, now you got answers, let's hear this Democrap talking point...but remember, it will be a Republican talking point in a few weeks! Most Sincerely, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 10 - 11:11 PM TARP, as has been said, was engineered by Bush's Treasury gang. Stimulus as separate from TARP was under Obama. Mea culpa. GfS, when you resort to empty rhetoric, Ima say so, anyhow. Unnerstad iffen you doan like, but I can think of a good remedy. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 11:11 PM "...substansive..."??? What was the question, GfinS??? How many times you can sing "Both Sides Blues" while dancing on the end of a pin??? I'll just pick "c", thank you... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Sep 10 - 10:38 PM I didn't vote for Nader, nor was a supporter of him. Wrong....... AGAIN! Still no substantive anything, from ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:48 PM That's what I thought, Eb... Amos, you got it wrong!!! Hey, you'll survive it... Just walk on down to the all night San Diago Pot Store and buy you up a bag and let 'er rip... Yeah, that will get ya over the "I Got It Wrong Blues".... Nevermind... Yo, GfinS... I is awfully worried about you... It all this worn out Nadar 2000 Election stuff... Hey, I worked fir the guy... Knocked on alot of doors and stood out front the Food Lion with brochures, a smile and a prayer that I could change one person's thinkin'... But... ....sniff... Them days are over... They say that we're always fightin' the ***last war***... Me thinks, my dear, that you is still knockin' on doors the summer of 2000... As fir the event??? Still thinkin' about it... Parkin' sucks... Even if ya' take the Orange Line ya still have to park out in suburbia and that ain't never easy... That was the nice thing about where I used to play blues at Archie Edwards Barbershop... Up there in NE plenty of parkin'... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:09 PM Now that's a typical Democrap response!....Insult, and offer no credible anything! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Ebbie Date: 22 Sep 10 - 09:04 PM TARP was under Bush, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 05:14 PM Haven't heard anyone say that, GfinS... What has been said is that the Repubs complain about Obama's deficits but won't admit that the '09 budget was allready passed and handed off to Obama... That is the way the government works... The outgoing administration always has a budget in place for the 1st year of the next president... Seems that minor fact is way over the Bush apologist's heads??? Yo, Amos... Me thinks that the "bank bailout" was under Bush and the "stimulis" under Obama... Am I wrong??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 10 - 05:12 PM SUch rhetorical crap, GfS. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Sep 10 - 04:48 PM Bush's plan was S-O-O-O-O-o stupid, that Obama HAD to....... do it again and again, even for more money! Is that what you are trying to say? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 10 - 04:13 PM The stimulus plan, Bruce, was floated at the tail-end of Bush's time to resolve a catastrophic financial collapse brought about by the ineptitude and dishonesty and misguidedness of (a)his administration and (b) the big-money hotshots who couldn't take their eyes off the huge pots of money they could make by ripping off the system. That financial collapse was built on Bush's deficit and his deliberate avoidance of taking any action to keep his treasured "base" in line. IF Obama had let Bush's financial catastrophe proceed unchecked you surely would be posting things now blaming him for ignoring it. You can't have it both ways, amigo. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Sep 10 - 04:12 PM >>>So money Obama adds does not add to the deficit, <<< I never said that. LIAR!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 04:07 PM So money Obama adds does not add to the deficit, and the money Bush spends DOES??? Speaking of dishonest.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Sep 10 - 04:04 PM Two Trillion in war spending was also not in Bush's budgets. But the money was spent. It was added to the deficit while he argued for tax cuts. Which added another trillion to the deficit. You know both of these things. You are arguing very dishonestly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:52 PM "The Bush budget did not have a stimuluis plan attached to it, bb... " So HOW COULD THAT DEBT BE BUSH'S????????? You said Obama had no control over that spending: NOW you say that Obama added to the debt. Please make up your mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:45 PM The Bush budget did not have a stimuluis plan attached to it, bb... Sheesh, man... You are flailin' here... And right you are, Jack... Actually, the moderates are now the lefties... That's how far the right has gotten with their corporate money and a packed Supreme Court... If we could jus' go back to the 2000 election and have the winner become president I doubt very much that tyhe country would be in such a pickle... They don't call the Bush years "a wasted decade" for nuthin'... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:30 PM Anyone who is a moderate in America must feel like they are left out in the cold. I'm worried that the art of compromise is being thrown out like the baby with the bathwater. Certainly this happened to Obama with Health Care in the Senate, with Snowe and others later bragging that thy were NOT negotiating in good faith and only trying top obstruct. Democrat supporters have accused their party of giving away too much in their attempts to compromise. Bruce's post shows why it is pointless to even attempt such compromise. As Olbermann said last night, "The Republicans are playing rugby. The Democrats are playing ping pong." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:00 PM No Bobert. YOU have already said that Obama had to live with Bush's budget- so BUSH was the one who saved or created any jobs that year. Or were you wrong about that budget??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:58 PM No, bb... Someone is alot closer to being right than the other... Non flat-earth economists are in agreement that the stimulis has both saved and created jobs... I eman, loomk at where the country was in the late fall of '08... The economy was collapsing all around an incoming president... He even said at the time that he didn't think when he first decided to run for president that he's be put in a situation as dismal as the one that Bush left... (But, Boberdz... You are Bush blamer...) Yeah, and why wouldn'tg I be... Bush di the stupid stuff and in this world where Repubs gleefully cramed "persoanl responsibility" down the working class's throat it is fitting for Bush to have to pown up to his miserable policies that have hurt our country ver bad... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:57 PM Lessee--Jon Stewart wants to rally the quiet middle, to restore sanity to the political dialogue. Good idea? I think so. Maybe some working definitions of an acceptable proposition--fact based, non-generalized, hate-free, as accurate as possible given available data--would start building a bridge. "Bush ruined everything" and "Obama is a Kenyan socialist" would both fail to qualify. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Wesley S Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:42 PM Hmmmm.... In a thread about a rally to point out the problems of partisan bickering - guess what? We've got partisan bickering. Who could have imagined THAT would happen?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:37 PM Amos, The same way that Obama knows how many jobs he "saved or created"- IT IS MY OPINION. You may have some other opinion- Neither is right OR wrong until after the FACTS prove what happens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:21 PM Bull, bruce....Google up "fillibister" and see how many time it has been used by the Repubs over the last two years compared to the Dems when they were last in the minority... I mean, lets get real here, bruce... Mythological proclamations on yer part will not make chicken sald outta chicken shit... As for "Blame Bush"??? Yeah, hi did leave the worse economy since the 1920s Great Depression... Look how long it took the country to dig out of that one... More than a decade... Fact: Bush ordered up two wars without any means of paying for them Fact: Bush pushed thru an unfunded Medicare prescription plan again without funding... Fact: Bush pushed thru tax cuts which have contributed greatly to the defecits... Fact: Bush left Obma a massive 1st year deficit budget... Fact: Bush held out the credit card on alot of his spending and said "Just charge it" and those bills are now coming due... Fact: Bush came into office with surplus and left with the largest deficit in history So, hey... I understand that the Repubs wnat power back... Maybe you'd like to tell the folks what the heck they would do different from the wrong stuff they did the last time they had control... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 10 - 01:20 PM How would you know that, Bruce? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 01:06 PM Bush did NOTHING like Reid and Pelosi have done, in keeping the minority party from any input into bills. I see that the same old Dem talking point of "Blame Bush" is being applied- and it will backfire, and put far more Republicans into office than an honest admission that many people do not want what the Democrats have PASSED ( NOT what they said- some of that was desired, but the result AS PASSED is NOT what people want.). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Ebbie Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:55 PM "I hope YOU think it is OK when the Democrats are (back in) the minority, and the Republicans do what the Dems have demonstrated is "proper politics". bb You mean, like the Shrub had it? We haven't forgotten, Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 10 - 11:52 AM "Whatever happened to majority rule???" You mean like in the Confederacy? I thought the point of the Bill of Rights was to correct the PROBLEMS of "majority rule" And I do not see that locking the minority out of discussions is in any way trying to build a consensus, but that is just what the Democrats have done the last two years. I hope YOU think it is OK when the Democrats are (back in) the minority, and the Republicans do what the Dems have demonstrated is "proper politics". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 08:40 AM As fir bb assertion that we neeede a divided government??? Ain't that what we have now with the 60 vote threshold to get anything thru the Senate??? I mean, lets get real here... The minority has plenty of muscle to flex with such a messed up rule... Whatever happened to majority rule??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Sep 10 - 01:35 AM Amos Lightfoot: "I think in general you mischaracterize those who voted for Obama--they are the most thoughtful, reasonable, well-mannered, well-balanced, optimistic and productive people in the world!! I think you're right!!!! But the lights will stay off!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:25 AM Perfect. He exposes them for what they are: divisive theatre designed to distract people and set them against each other, not any kind of useful debate about anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:08 AM Time to bring up this Crossfire meets Jon Stewart video. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 21 Sep 10 - 07:50 PM At least, a man who does not lose his sense of humor and is open to dialogue. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: gnu Date: 21 Sep 10 - 07:25 PM "Oprah mentioned on her show today that some recent poll found that Jon Stewart is the most trusted newsman in America. I find it both interesting and sad at the same time." Indeed. But quite true. Perhaps it's because he is an honest man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Amos Date: 21 Sep 10 - 06:48 PM Such wild, sweeping conclusions do you no credit, BB! I think in general you mischaracterize those who voted for Obama--they are the most thoughtful, reasonable, well-mannered, well-balanced, optimistic and productive people in the world!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Wesley S Date: 21 Sep 10 - 06:36 PM Oprah mentioned on her show today that some recent poll found that Jon Stewart is the most trusted newsman in America. I find it both interesting and sad at the same time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: gnu Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:00 PM Just taped Stewart on Oprah. I expect it will be fun to watch. As this thread STARTED out, the man is intelligent, well read, articulate, SANE, and very comical. And, a political influence that is a thorn in the side of both left and right and all in between, including the white collar criminals, that talk trash and bullshit. His thunder roars loudly throughout the US and far beyond and the sniping and trolling in this thread and in the medai do not decrease it. Such only turns up the volume. Crank it up on ten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Sep 10 - 01:28 PM "They are dogmatic, intolerant of new ideas and are willing to use violence to get their way... This cannot be said of those of us on the left... " Actually, the ACTION of the Dems during the last two years has proven that they have NO tolerance for comprimise or even allowing the other side to have a say. "That is a very imporatnt destinction that those on the right don't want to be allowed the light of day... No, it's far easier for them to say "You're either with us or you're against us"." The Left does not want to allow it to be known of them, either. IMO, the present Dem controlled Congress has shown that NEITHER party can be allowed to have control of BOTH houses and the Executive branch. Reps. may have driven us into a ditch, but the Dems have pushed us over the cliff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Stringsinger Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:31 PM "Moderation in all things including moderation". Sometimes you have to take a stand. Jon Stewart provides a good model for how to do this. Be respectful of a person with a different viewpoint. Discuss rather than name-call. Speak in a modulated tone and don't shout or pound the table. Stick to the facts as you know them. Don't go for the ad-hominem. Keep a good sense of humor. You gotta' love Jon Stewart, I think. He puts dialogue above ranting. Colbert is a great satirist. He play-acts the Republican today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: akenaton Date: 21 Sep 10 - 02:36 AM Just a glimmer of optimism Little Hawk. I knew you would like it! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Sep 10 - 06:35 PM That's a fine song, Akenaton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: Mrrzy Date: 20 Sep 10 - 06:06 PM heh heh heh i thought a teabagger was the naked guy ahead of you on the ladder up to the hot tub heh heh heh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Sep 10 - 01:22 PM Bobs: "But inspite of GfinS's constant drumbeat that if you don't take up the mythology of the Tealiban that yer a "Democrat" with a large "D"," First of all, I AM NOT a Tea Bagger...and your snipe is incorrect. Then you say: "I mean, let's get real... The extreme right is not all that different from the Taliban... They are dogmatic, intolerant of new ideas and are willing to use violence to get their way..." Look, the EXTREME of anything is just an EXTREME. The 'extremes' do not represent the mainstream of the populace...nor should opposing arguments be portrayed, as 'extremist'...unless, of course, YOU are the extremist!!!! The, so called 'Republicans', as well as the Democrats, are BOTH NOT happy with the Tea Baggers. This is mostly because, both the R's and D's, are pushing THEIR agendas, for 'remedies' for the problems that they both caused, rather than REPRESENTING their constituents!!! Both of them push thinking, rather than LISTENING to what the country is telling them!! Both R's and D's believers, are just content in letting OTHER people, who happen to be in the pockets of 'special interests', do their thinking for them! This, my dear fuzzy friend, is not a true Republic, of representative government, nor a very Democratic process, of self governing. It IS us, being TOLD what two choices we have to have, to arrive at the same thing...at the cost of our personal freedoms! So, if it sounds like a 'broken record' to you, I'd suggest getting your needle out of the same screwed up groove! Ebbie: "There is nothing in the world scarier to me than a person who is sure they are right. Give me a questioner every time." Are you sure? Akenaton, Thanks for the tune. I'll have to cobble one up for you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jon Stewarts 'Rally to Restore Sanity' From: akenaton Date: 20 Sep 10 - 10:09 AM For the delectation of my friend Sanity, and the annoyance of all those who think the world ends on America's Atlantic shore. Small World |
