BS: general strike in france

Subject: BS: general strike in france
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 08:49 AM

General Strike in France - 19-22 October 2010

Monday 18, October 2010



General Strike in France - 19-22 October 2010



A general strike affecting aviation workers has been confirmed in France on 19th October 2010. The strike will commence the evening of 18th October 2010 and last until 22nd of October 2010 with significant level of disruption to be expected on the 19th.



Some Air traffic controllers trade unions will take part in the general strike launched in France on Tuesday October 19.



As a result, French Civil Aviation Authorities have limited the number of flights for all airlines.



Therefore, on October 19, Air France plan to operate 100 % of the long-haul flights, and have had to cancel some domestic and european flights.



Air France commercial services will do their utmost to inform you of flight cancellations and offer you alternative solutions where applicable, either on a flight with Air France, with KLM through Amsterdam, or with one of the SkyTeam alliance partners.



Please check your flight status before you travel to the airport.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 09:07 AM

What is new?

Thanks for the info and the warning.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Arnie
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 09:59 AM

Sarkozy will really start worrying once the guillotines are being rebuilt in the streets. Vive la revolution! Or is it le revolution? That's the trouble with French....

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:37 PM

Vive la revolution! Or is it le revolution? That's the trouble with French....

As a general rule, if it ends in "...tion" then its "la".


DC

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:49 PM

if it ends in é, please yourself :)

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 01:06 PM

Jeeze, I thought France was the utopia with socialism and free medical care that the the US should emulate.

Hey Françoise, C'mon over, our planes still fly. Friggin' Unions ain't got us by the couilles. Yet

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 03:30 PM

It is definitely "la revolucion". ;-)

Sawzaw, you're being silly again! To praise one aspect of any country is not to praise ALL aspects of that country...to say that France has a fine medical system (which it does) has NO bearing whatsoever on every other single thing one might say about France.

Why do I even have to say this to you? You do know that an intelligent being does not think in all-or-nothing terms, do you not?

I have said that all countries have their good and bad points. Matter of fact, I said it just a couple of minutes ago on the other thread you and I are bouncing around on. ;-D

Listen, man, listen! Ears and eyes are there to use, but you must decide to use them or it won't help.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:08 PM

"That's the trouble with French.... "

Hehehehee. But, they do make a difference between the masculine and the feminine... vive le difference.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:27 PM

Jeeze LH I didn't know you were doing PR for France too.

êtes vous Québécoise?

My message is How's socialism working for France?

Calling Dr. Guillotin

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:01 PM

The French view their politicians differently from us. They regard them as being in office to serve The People, rather than just 'being in office'....and if they don't do as The People want, then The People come over all Bastillian and ensure their politicians GET THE MESSAGE!

'Scuse me, I have to go pick up my knitting needles now...and get busy...

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:10 PM

Hell, that's twice I agreed with MLC.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:23 PM

Sawzaw, listen carefully to this:

Vous avez un vilain chapeau. Il semble que les fesses de ma grand'mère. Il serait beaucoup plus beau si c'était un chapeau socialiste. Et il serait beaucoup moins cher aussi.


;-D

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:25 PM

"Hell, that's twice I agreed with MLC."

'Tis all downhill from here on... :0)



You have an australian friend with a sociable hat, Little Hawk?

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:27 PM

He's fessed your grandmother???!!!!!????

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:47 PM

The French upheaval seems to indicate a country which is really pretty healthy politically.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM

Yeah. It beats hell of out the pathetic apathy we see most of the time in the English-speaking world.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM

That's right, Lizzie: the French people elect the government to serve them while in the UK we elect the govenment to rule us. The French believe in fraternity, liberty and egalitarianism while the British are forelock tugging monarchists; well not all of us but subservience certainly trickles down and taints our attitude.
If only John Lambert had become Protector after Oliver P....

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 03:13 PM

General Strike? how quaint!

It really means "Master, we are going to stop being slaves for a little while.....until you can spare the time to starve us back to work"

Withdrawal of labour is meaningless in times when we the people can be openly robbed of $billions,

Blood must flow, society must change,it will be rich blood and poor blood, and it will mean an end to the greed and waste we have seen and have practiced,

If not, we shall see something many times worse.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 04:54 PM

Shit, now I have to agree with Ake the nutter too.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: bubblyrat
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 05:11 PM

From what I'v seen on TV, half of 'em, especially the younger ones,have no apparent interest in political processes at all, and have just joined the Mob in order to chuck rocks at Gendarmes,smash things up,and set fire to cars . If only they'd shown so much anger ,spirit and unity when the Germans invaded .....
            ....and our government wants these people to fly their aeroplanes on and off our carriers ?? Are they NUTS ??

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 05:17 PM

Oh Jesus. Of course they have Herr Rat.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 05:30 PM

``Jeeze LH I didn't know you were doing PR for France too.

êtes vous Québécoise?``


Pardon, but unless LH has had a sex change, it should be Québécois.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 05:30 PM

That was me.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

Richard...if you are alarmed by the fact that we are in agreement, how the hell do you think I feel!

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 09:00 PM

Looks like many French workers(?) are willing to cut their own throats before they will endure the pain necessary to heal the economic woes of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 03:45 AM

"Looks like many French workers(?) are willing to cut their own throats"
Don't you mean, refuse to be bend over and be shafted by those who caused the present economic fiasco, still remain in office, still retain their positions of power and influence, and continue to receive obscenely astronomical bonuses for 'having done such a wonderful job of running the world'?
Let's hope others now being forced to pay the consequences for cleaning up the mess caused by the corruption, indifference, greed and breathless incompetence that has brought about the present state of affairs, find the balls to follow the French workers' example and stand up to these retards.
Vive la France!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 03:56 AM

"subservience certainly trickles down and taints our attitude."

The fact that the French eliminated the top section of parasites once, must have left a deep impression on the national consciousness. One that remains with the people today. The fact that we never have, remains with us likewise.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 04:01 AM

Cameron be warned and be afraid, be very afraid. I will happily chain myself to No.10.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 05:43 AM

I admire the french strikers.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 05:58 AM

Yes, but would you countenance the removal and execution of capitalist governments?

Everyone is angry at the way we and our children have been conned and robbed.

It's just that no one knows what to do about it.
and all are afraid to lose the little they have aquired.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 07:57 AM

Little they have acquired ... but what they have lost and are losing cannot be measured in material or economic gain.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 08:15 AM

what we are witnessing now in France is just the beginning of, the ending of Reagan's 'Wall'.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 08:35 AM

Reagan's "wall"?

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 09:18 AM

"Yes, but would you countenance the removal and execution of capitalist governments?"
Only in my dreams Ake, only in my dreams (nice to find something we agree on)
The 'fair' thing to happen now would be that those who caused the present mess through their greed and incompetence should be forced to shoulder the lion's share of the cost of putting things right from their not insubstantial fortunes.
Those politicians (Conservatives all, if not by name, by nature) who stood by and did nothing (except feather their own nests) while the plundering and incompetence was happening, should be thrown out of office, and those seen to have had their hands in the public purse, permenantly barred from ever holding office again (if not jailed for corruption).
We know that this is not going to happen, so the alternative is that the ordinary people who had no part in creating this mess should, through their own democratically elected organisations (T.Us etc) fight tooth-and-nail to prevent this Government (remembering that this includes the Lib-Dems, who have taken their 30 pieces of silver in order to attain office) from making us pay for the clean-up.
Those peoples' representatives who refuse to give a lead should be named and shamed and made answerable to their members - or replaced.
This probably isn't going to happen either.
So lets continue whining and do nothing - it seems to be what we Brits do best and most.
On the other hand......
Vive la France
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 09:37 AM

"Reagan's "wall"?"

Do you recall the genral strikes in Poland way back when ... the Gdansk ship yards .... and then these strikes escalated throughout the countries of the iron curtain until the Berlin wall fell

At that time Reagan and the rest of the western world gov't's had a free ticket built a wall that secured them the right to cut off democarcy, a wall that protected the corporate sponsored government machines ..... a wall that protected them from the democratic right of the people.

just watch   .... strikes are now happening London. Hopefully the Reagan Wall will eventually be broken.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 11:23 AM

A friend in France advises me that the issue is not only a matter of raising the retirement wage but also a matter of lowering benefits once the worker is retired. The intent is to make this a permanent law, which is why the students are getting involved.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 12:05 PM

Sent by another friend"

If you read the French press, you get the real story: retirement at 60 in France is like our retirement at 62 with only partial benefits, full benefits come at 65. What Sarkozy wants to do is go the US way, partial retirement benefits at 62 and full retirement at 67! So you can imagine why the unions are upset. Besides as the unions ask, how many jobs are out there for people who are 60? The press is also treating all the student support as vandalism....yes, it is certainly true that there are always kids who will use a movement to do damage but we have been on e-mail with some teachers who say, most of the students want to show solidarity with the workers. They know that what is voted today will effect not only their parents but eventually the young people as well. A secure retirement (remember they have full health care, including long-term) is a grand tradition on France and they don't want to be like the US: work until you die!

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 02:40 PM

"I will happily chain myself to No.10."

You can't. The bastards gated Downing Street off, using the IRA as their excuse...and they put a one mile exclusion zone around protesting in front of the Houses of Parliament, using 9/11 as their excuse...

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 05:03 AM

The trouble is that if we want to live in a capitalist system, we have to remember that money is "king",the guilty are above punishment.

All the stuff about democracy and equality is a smokescreen, the system is in its nature "unfair".
The benefits and concessions we have, were hard fought for by our forebearers, or thrown to us as a sop, whenever the system seemed to be in danger.
The credit boom was a boom too far for capitalism ...they fucked up bigstyle and it must terrify them that the system has been so openly shown for what it is.
At the moment, most conservatives and "liberals" appear to be accepting the line that "We should all pull together to repair the system.....the whole financial meltdown was just bad luch....somebody else's fault"
But the system has run out of options, surely even the dimmest PhDs on this forum must see that! Why repair a system which has nowhere to go?
Because we are cowards who have grown accustomed to this soft easy lifestyle, based on the exploitation of other people and their resources, we are afraid that the little we have will be lost, we have almost all become "mini caps".....and the fact that we ourselves are being manipulated and exploited has not sunk in.

If we want a better world we must break away from the politics of capitalism and organisation, allow people to express themselves in a language other than £and$.

The people are like lost sheep, dumbed by capitalist media and opiates, they need a leader who does not represent the capitalist machine....someone who is uneducated enough to feel something, to inspire through love of life and the joy of existance.
Not someone who has spent a lifetime studying the dead hand of exploitation.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 05:04 AM

More bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 07:09 AM

"More bollocks. "
Yup - that just about sums up your contribution - here and elsewhere.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 08:12 AM

Well I agree with some of the points you make about freedom etc on other threads Bonzo....and I never abuse you for holding opinions which I find "debatable"....But surely you can see the contradictions in this system?

Most people knew the credit boom had to end in disaster...and it did , so where does capitalism go from here?

Do you suppose it will keep rising from the ashes for ever.

The people of the West are overvalued, redundant, they have also become soft, lazy and streetwise

The capitalists have moved East with their money....and we can "rot in hell"

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 01:59 PM

Regardless, of the causes, France cannot afford to maintain its present pension scheme; the strikers and students should recognize this.

Apropo some of Akenaton statements above, a comment I heard on BBC today from a former Singapore government official and now professor at their university-
The West- 800 million people. The east- ...billion.
Who will prevail?

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 05:02 AM

"Regardless, of the causes, France cannot afford to maintain its present pension scheme; the strikers and students should recognize this."
No - the French Government (and the British) have decided to attempt to solve the problems caused by corporate greed and political incompetence and corruption, by seeking to raise the money needed to balance the books from the poorer (and powerless) sections of the communities, rather than making those who brought about the present mess pay for the clean-up.
They have also targeted health, education and welfare - soft targets, in military terms.
The strikers and students in France are to be congratulated for refusing to accept this situation - would that our own people do the same.
Jim Carroill

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 06:18 AM

<"I will happily chain myself to No.10."

You can't. The bastards gated Downing Street off, using the IRA as their excuse...and they put a one mile exclusion zone around protesting in front of the Houses of Parliament, using 9/11 as their excuse... >

Awh, I was getting in suffragette mode........suppose I can't throw myself under the King's horse either? (Just joking).

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 06:24 AM

Use water canons with indelible ink on them.

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 06:35 AM

well said,Jim.
why should people who took no part in wrong financial decisions be responsible for other peoples mistakes.
if a brick layer builds a house, and fails to use the correct method of laying bricks so that the house is structurally weak and collapses,   would you ask the local bank manager to pay for the bricklayers mistakes?would you tell the local postman and the road sweeper and the vet that they had to pay higher taxes and could not retire until they were 62, because of the bricklayers bad building?

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 10:25 AM

"Use water canons with indelible ink on them. "
Or maybe do what Mrs T's friend and mentor, General Pinochet did: round 'em up, put 'em in a stadium, then after a little fingernail removal and gential-crushing, dissapear 'em - that'll teach 'em to contradict their betters!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: general strike in france
From: David C. Carter
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 11:24 AM

Sarkozy 1st, said he was going to "clean up"the French suburbs using Karcher.

And he wasn't talking graffiti!
He also called those people"scum".
On a visit to an aggriculture exibition here in France,somebody refused to shake his hand, Sarkozy's "elegant"response was "Casse toi,pauvre con".This is from the Head of State.

This is the kind of arrogance and contempt he has towards the average guy in the street.I guess it's maybe the same in Great Britain,and elsewhere for that matter.He's a Thatcher-ite to the core;'nuff said.