BS: Political Correctness goes too far

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 13 - 10:47 PM

4.5 months and thread drift? I'm gone fer now.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 28 May 13 - 09:18 PM

@Hawk: There is still racism in Cuba. My friend Marcia's White. She was born in Holguin and is a year older than me, and says that a lot of White people in Holguin still make racist remarks about Blacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 09:01 AM

""The censorship of literature is not a subject for "debate", who do we debate with?""

The discussion was going along fairly well, until the topic was changed (some may call it hijacked).

When the discussion ends on the posted topic that's it, at least for that point in time, as people frequently bring them back.

An idea, when another topic is wished to be discussed why just open another thread? It would seem respectful to the person who opened the original thread, and those participating "on the thread topic". Also, that way the correct title is indexed for the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Brian May
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:40 AM

Thinking about it, I only hope it's 'old ivory' because if it isn't that's another mine field that's about to be disturbed.

And mines are definitely non PC, which returns us nicely to the subject thread.

I do love symmetry.

Have fun all, it's still a great world.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Brian May
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:37 AM

Don't forget me . . . I can't either ;o)

Do you have a lift or is it still stairs in the average ivory tower?

I just wondered if they've changed over the years.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 05:10 AM

I wonder if the "police sources" referred to are the same police employees who disproportionately harass Blacks and Asians and who are twice as likely to let a white suspect off with a warning.

Thats the thing about reporting a persons Opinion rather than fact.

But Ake isn't able to differentiate between those things.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:04 PM

And of course the Times would have no reason at all for sensationalising, exaggerating, or even inventing stories.

Muslims account for just 2.97% of the population according to the latest census figures available.

It is reasonable to assume approximately half are female, so about 1.485% are male, of which 40.22% are between the ages of 16 and 45.

How many of the resulting 415,800 are happily married upright citizens is an unknown, but it is reasonable to assume that it would be the vast majority.

Reported rapes in the UK in 2008 and 2009 were 12637 and 13093 respectively. No figures were given for convictions in 2008/2009 but there were 800 convictions in 2006.

Since the statistics also show that only 26% were committed by strangers, we are left with 3285 and 3404 reported which involved strangers.

Taking the demographics into account, Muslim men might be expected to be responsible for 1.485% of those. That is to say 49 in 2008 and 51 in 2009 over the whole of the UK.

Unless figures much larger than that can be produced and verified, the proportion of rapists in the Muslim community would seem to be much the same as that of the non Muslim community.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:58 PM

Thanks Ake,

Nothing in there about anyone being protected by the human rights act.

No change.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:29 PM

Posted again, without further comment.

A senior West Mercia police officer has told the Times, that those convicted represent only a small proportion of what is described as "a tidal wave" of offending, which has been uncovered in the North of England.

Other Police sources have called for an end to the damaging taboo surrounding gang led on street grooming, which they blame on the fear by police and child protection workers, of being branded "racist"
"To stop this sort of crime,you need to start talking about it, but everyone has been too scared to expose the ethnicity factor.
No one wants to stand up and say that in some parts of the country, Pakistanis are recruiting young white girls and passing them round their relatives for sex, but we need to stop worrying about the racial complication"

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:07 PM

Don't forget Brian & the paranoids coven, too, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 04:40 PM

""The thread simply widened to encompass other issues like freedom of speech, for example, the effect of the human rights act in repressing proper investigation of crimes committed by minority groups.""

The thread didn't simply widen. You widened it to encompass one of your favourite hobby horses, namely the denigration of any minority group you happen to dislike by your usual inane admixture of innuendo and exaggeration.

I think I'll just leave the bigot's coven to mumble amongst themselves since this thread topic has been buried.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 09:55 AM

A little article by Ake and Brians most dependable ally on these issues (the Mail) on how Black and Asian people are the demographic most likely to be harrassed by the police under stop and search laws.

In addition, according to the stats, the police are more likely to charge you if you are Black or Asian and more likely to let you off with a warning if you are White.

Daily Mail

I suspect "Tinkers" are also more likely to be stopped.

hmmm .... no evidence of Akes claims there ...

He must be talking bollocks as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Brian May
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:37 AM

Blimey, is this still going on?

Amazes me how much stamina the do-gooders have.

I'm sure all the radical Islamists will be VERY encouraged.

When are you all converting then . . . ?

WARNING:

Incoming . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 05:33 AM

"the effect of the human rights act in repressing proper investigation of crimes committed by minority groups"

Saying it again won't make it true.

The guys who were caught were tried annd convicted and the human rights act had NOTHING to d with it.

You keep telling the lie and I'll keep jumping on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 03:14 AM

Greg, Barnicle et all.

The censorship of literature is not a subject for "debate", who do we debate with?

As far as I can see, no one even on this "liberal" hotbed, supports the censorship of classic literature. It is a crime against our culture.
How can we have debate if no one is putting forward an alternative view?

The thread simply widened to encompass other issues like freedom of speech, for example, the effect of the human rights act in repressing proper investigation of crimes committed by minority groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 09:00 PM

I believe this is on topic?

Can I make my opoint more clearly?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 08:24 PM

Methinks someone REALLY fails to understand the topic of this thread.

Take the Muslim-bashing elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 07:26 PM

""There are more white sex offenders in prison than muslim sex
offenders, so the this rape and exploitation of exclusively non-muslim girls by gangs of almost exclusively muslim men, cannot be "cultural"""

That is a very interesting distortion of what I said, changing, by omission, the whole direction of my statement.

Who said it couldn't be cultural? My opinion was, and is, that one could not extrapolate from the actions of a small group of Muslims, that there is a predilection toward paedophile rape of young white girls in the Muslim community as a whole, especially when this gang were unlikely to run across many other than white girls in the streets.   

Methinks someone is getting reallydesperate in his search for something remotely logical to bolster his ridiculous argument>

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: PHJim
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 02:21 PM

Many children today, while familiar with the N word, do not have any idea of its meaning nor its historical signifigance. I taught school for many years and recall confronting some children on the playground who were calling each other the N word and asking them why they would use that word. They explained that they had learned the word from TV and rap records and they honestly thought it meant "Buddy" or "Brother", since it was used in this way by comedians and rap artists. They were shocked when I told them that I'd rather hear the F word than the N word.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:55 AM

Just yesterday I had occasion to read Charlotte Bronte's editorial comments on her sister's   "Wuthering Heights". It is all worth reading but especially this:


A large class of readers, likewise, will suffer greatly from the introduction into the pages of this work of words printed with all their letters, which it has become the custom to represent by the initial and final letter only - a blank line filling the interval. I may as well say at once that, for this circumstance, it is out of my power to apologise; deeming it, myself, a rational plan to write words at full length. The practice of hinting by single letters those expletives with which profane and violent persons are wont to garnish their discourse, strikes me as a proceeding which, however well meant, is weak and futile. I cannot tell what good it does - what feeling it spares - what horror it conceals.

Bowdlerisation at its best is equivalent to this, and at less than its best severely damages the book, article or whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 10:35 AM

Good link, Kat. I was also interested in the sub link to the "Bellringer of Notre Dame." Thanks for bringing the tread back on topic.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:31 PM

Ake,

Your last post made me laugh out loud - AT YOU!

Bwaahahaha.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:22 PM

This OP-ED PIECE has some of the best arguments against this that I have read. As a writer, I was particularly taken with the following:

Authors' original texts should be sacrosanct intellectual property, whether a book is a classic or not. Tampering with a writer's words underscores both editors' extraordinary hubris and a cavalier attitude embraced by more and more people in this day of mash-ups, sampling and digital books — the attitude that all texts are fungible, that readers are entitled to alter as they please, that the very idea of authorship is old-fashioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:16 PM

Sorry about that, the link didn't work and the cut and past was preceeded by information notes(dont know why)

But fear not I will explain.

Open post.....place finger on DOWN button.....KEEP finger on button till start of article....Remove finger....and stick it right up your arse!

Are you comfortable with that? Do you need further directions?

Your ARSE is easy to find, its where the words that you post come from!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:13 PM

PS - for those of you that need guidance on such matters, that last post was s-a-t-i-r-i-c-a-l.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:10 PM

When will "liberal" stop sticking up for, and protecting "white" people.

I'm not racist and have nothing against white people, but it can't be ignored that time and time again it is white men and women, driven by their "western" ideology that leads them to abuse children, beat people up at football matches, and smash up shops at edl rallies etc.

White people are all closet paedophiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sick of all these "moderates" who come out with all their "these criminals aren't representative" claptrap.

Just go to Thailand and ask anyone - white men are perverts and kiddy fiddlers just waiting for the opportunity.

The History of Britain, Germany, Russia, France etc etc is littered with perverted murderers and rapists and its time we faced up to the harsh realities and took away their "protected status" in the courts (everyone knows that white people are more likely to get off than the rest of us)

It's clearly something that sets white people apart that they feel they are somehow entitled to do this kind of sick stuff.

They think they are superior, they are violent, greedy, wasteful and most of all perverted and this shows in the so called "spam" that they receive in their e.mails ... yeah yeah ... pull the other one!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 02:59 PM

And all this bullshit relates to Sam Clemens and Huck Finn how, exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 02:47 PM

Ake posted the following quotes:

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Nice to know he takes the time to read and understand his cut and pastes, and that he ensures that only the most relevant points are posted in a way that decipherably backs up his argument.


Perhaps next time he could post the Shipping Forecast - it would make his contribution significantly more interesting and valuable.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 07:35 AM

Blaming Palin for the mass murders is ridiculous.

Gabby Gifford's Republican opponent in the recent election used to hold events where you could fire an actual M16 in celebration of getting rid of Gabby.

I'd say Mr Kelly's failed campaign is more culpable than Sarah Palin.

WHen Sarah Palin said reload, she meant virtual ammo, not real bullets. Political correctness made Palin erase her hit list webpage.

Some things are only partially true. However sometimes you can make a lie become a truth just like Saddam attacking the US with WMDs.
After awhile even a president's retraction won't remove the perception in the minds of people who are emotionally programed.
Obama is a muslim and was born in Africa who wants death panels still polls in the high 30%.

If FOX news repeats that the mass killer was a pot smoking lefty liberal 20,000 times in the next 3 months it will become a truism forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 06:21 AM

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Yasmin Alibhai Brown: Jack Straw is right to ask hard questions about Asian men

Fear of racism should no longer be the veil covering up hard truths


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The unrepentant British Pakistani gang leaders who violated young girls in Derby have been rightly reviled and given indefinite sentences. Their victims were almost all white. There it might have ended but for Jack Straw, who rekindled passions on all sides when he said that such Pakistani men thought these females were easy meat who deserved no respect or consideration ( I paraphrase). No solid evidence is provided by Straw to back these assertions. In fact, when he was Home Secretary he could have funded research on the matter, but failed to.


Still, even a man used to controversies must be nonplussed by the reaction to his comments. His words were thrown on to blazing pyres by fulminating leftie liberals, feminists, Muslims, Pakistanis, anti-racists and influential individuals who think of themselves as gravely responsible. It was unacceptable, they said, to racialise or ethnicise a particular crime; some even declared that any discussion of cultural factors was dangerous and racist.

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Being avowedly a leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Muslim, part-Pakistani, and yes, a very responsible person, I should be in the circle with these objectors – particularly as I can't stand the Rt Hon MP for Blackburn, his devious, shady politicking and moral expediency. However, just as when he criticised the full veil, I cannot condemn his views. How can I? Just before Christmas, I too wrote about these rapists and the anti-white cultural prejudices in some of their communities and families. It was a hard column to write, as is this one. Easier to pick your way barefoot through a dark park littered with broken glass. You need to think about every line, its effect, and know that you will step on the shard that will cut you, however carefully you tread.

I accept that on the basis of the evidence presented in court, this Derby gang was no different from that of the white grooming posse convicted in Cornwall in November. They too preyed on helpless, easily-pleased young white girls who were then used and destroyed. Most paedophiles in this country are white, and their victims too. Just because they harm their own doesn't make it less abominable or more acceptable. What does it matter to a young, white, rape victim whether her violator has pasty or dark skin? And it is gratifying that reputable figures like Barnado's Martin Narey and the judge in the Derby case have spoken out against wholesale racial scapegoating. We know extremists use race and crime statistics to stoke racial hatred against Britons of colour and from religious minorities. I have sometimes been a pin-up girl for the repellent BNP and English Defence League, whenever I criticise Muslims, or Asian values or black Britons who do wrong. You feel degraded and treacherous when this happens.

But I still say we need to expose and discuss more openly the underpinning values of the Asian criminal rings in many of our cities. If we don't, the evil will grow. Fear of racism should no longer be the veil covering up hard truths. What the Derby gang did has planted and raised more racism – possibly even among good, benign people – than my words ever could. I am sure recruitment to extremist parties has gone up too. Prominent anti-racists know that, but will not openly say so.

The criminals feel they did no wrong. These girls to them are trash, asking to be wasted – unlike their own women, who must be kept from the disorderly world out there. The whore and the virgin are both feared and severely controlled and abused. A 2005 study in the Netherlands of Muslim males found the same bifurcation, and identified deep sexism as responsible for both.

The conversations can be heard every day around dining tables and on streets; they are embedded in thought and language. I once interviewed the mother of a man who had been convicted of repeatedly raping his young wife, who came from a rural village in Pakistan. The head of the nursery school the couple's child attended had helped the victim report what was happening. In Urdu, the mother hissed: "How lucky was she to get my son? The dirty, ungrateful bitch – went to a white woman to complain. They sleep with everybody. She just didn't know how to make him happy. We have thrown her out. She can go on the streets like those whites now."

I have been writing about these culturally- sanctioned injustices for two decades, and have interviewed countless people. I will not melt the misdemeanours into generalities, and do not accept that ethnicity and sexual abuse cannot and should not ever be linked.

Some years back, a similar furore was raised over the Sierra Leonean journalist Sorious Samura, who made a TV documentary on the gang rape of young girls in British cities. Censured by the usual slate of apologists, he accepted that the attacks were carried out by men of all backgrounds, but pointed out that a high proportion were black or mixed-race. "As a black man as well as a journalist, I wanted to know what lay behind such attacks, the profoundly disturbing attitudes to females."

That is what I am seeking to do too, as a Muslim journalist who cares deeply about migrants and their progress. Let's ask questions we never ask, to find out more than we ever try to. Do these men have any idea of normal, pleasurable, healthy sex between a man and a woman? Are they maddened by their own frustration and fear of females? I am not impugning those Asian or Pakistani men who love women, but those who are too messed up to understand what that means; maybe those whose key choices, including their lifelong partners, have all been made by families operating as firms. And again, is this the most appalling pay-back for white racism? Black writers in the US, including Eldridge Cleaver, have written movingly about some of the unconscious, vengeful urges that impel black men to take up with white partners to assert power, sometimes to annihilate the person who trusts them.

Shouting down Jack Straw, busying ourselves with warnings about feeding the BNP, are displacement activities that will do nothing to stop Asian groomers, who, from childhood have developed distorted ideas about themselves, society, females, vice and virtue. Like Samura said, it is up to insiders to examine and reveal what lies beneath these crimes. We owe that to ourselves, to our future generations, and to the country we have made ours.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 06:14 AM

The view of a Pakistani reporter for the "Independent" echos my own.

Yasmin alibhai Brown

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 05:58 AM

It seems that politcal correctness is overlooked at Christmas. Films like 'On the Buses' 'Rising Damp' the 'Carry-ons and many more comedys that was ok to show in the 70s are still regularly shown when sexist and racial predudice was 'the norm' I assume that people now see it for what it was and laugh at the ignorance of it rather than the humour content. But as with a classic book it would be impossible to cut everything out. All you can do is explain that society was different then or choose not to watch.

As for gutter press I don't read any of the sensationalist papers newspapers anymore. Regarding the murder suspect landlord of Jo Yeates they had published his name and invaded his personal life without any shred of evidence that he had done anything just because he was at hand. I always thought that a person's identity could not be published until charged. If that man is innocent his name now is going to be blackened whether innocent or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 06:48 AM

""liberals" will excuse anything to protect their sacred agenda"


Ake - YOU brought this up.

You started this drift with a double insinuation about 1. "liberals" and 2. Islam.

The question of "liberals" is YOUR agenda.


"Vaz is a creep and manipulator of the worst kind"

Again, YOU brought him into this conversation.


As for "special status" - this only exists in your imagination.

The human rights act WAS NEVER USED.

The guys who were caught GOT CONVICTED.

If there are others caught, THEY WILL ALSO BE CONVICTED.


Because they AREN'T PROTECTED.


This talk of protection is UNFOUNDED.


It is shit stirring bigotted BULLSHIT.



Thunder? The best you can manage is persistent drizzle.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 04:53 AM

What idiotic arguments these people advance!

"There are more white sex offenders in prison than muslim sex
offenders, so the this rape and exploitation of exclusively non-muslim girls by gangs of almost exclusively muslim men, cannot be "cultural"

Do you people even make any attempt to interpret statements like that.

"liberals" will excuse anything to protect their sacred agenda...even to allow thousands of homosexuals to face death and disease rather than target their behaviour and lifestyle.

When I raised the subject of tinker families in Scotland, who were using their special status to deal drugs, indulge in illegal money lending enforced by stabbings and physical violence, I was villified as a "racist". The Council were forced tp pretend that the village(fortress) where they lived was being closed for renovation. It has never reopened.
The families have been rehoused, where police have access and their actions are visible, but why should the authorities be afraid of criminals?

Looks like they are heading down the same path with these young girls, "lets just put our heads in the sand and pretend nothing is happening"

Had Straw not had the guts to speak out(for whatever reason), I and others here would still be the subject of vile abuse.
Only Richard has attempted to forward any reasonable explanation and it is couched in terms that I find difficult to understand.

Vaz is a creep and manipulator of the worst kind, a favourite of Tony Blair.....we can expect his stance to "evolve" depending on the direction of the political wind.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 12:30 AM

===You didn't read what I said did you MtheGM? ===

Yes I did, Richard. Could you please specify where you think I have misrepresented what you said about the "gutter press", which was the only part of your previous post to which I was responding?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 11:43 PM

There's no need to argue this case as once again Ake has got it spectacularly wrong.

Vaz has spoken out 'against' Straws views, describing them as "dangerous".

Not that any of ths has any connection with Ake's dreams of "thunder" and "walls coming down".

More hot air from FW.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 06:42 PM

""Turning to the "gutter press", while I roundly disagree with Don on many things I think he has the right of this. The key feature that marked out the "gutter press" was the inclination to prefer sensationalism often with an agenda. That is in my view a criticism that can fairly be levelled at the Times and the Telegraph today, and has long been a key characteristic of the Mail and the Sun.""

Thank you for that Richard.

It has long been my opinion that truth in newspapers has become a twentieth, and latterly twenty first, century oxymoron.

I don't any longer purchase these rags, preferring to get my news from the BBC which, in spite of the leftward leanings of many of its personnnel, is constrained to stick fairly closely to the (albeit sometimes slanted) truth by the fact that most events involve live coverage, and eye witness testimony.

I believe that anybody who talks to the sad excuse for journalists who make up, or distort, the content of the British Press is a fool.

Far better to refuse comment, as you can then call them fucking liars when they make up a story about you, without risking a libel suit.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 04:37 PM

I think the epithet you're searching for Richard, is "lip service"

Neither Straw nor Vas, have any intention of putting the human rights act in order, their words are cynical and self serving.

No matter, they have cut the "racist bawling" idiots off at the knee, and sent them back where they belong.

I was interested in your last two posts but you have perhaps unintentionally lapsed into legal jargon, which is difficult for a simple man like me to follow.

Maybe you could explain your position again in more simple terms?
and I'm NOT takin' the piss.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: josepp
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 04:16 PM

Never mind the racism issue, it's a smokescreen. The danger is that once we allow certain words to be changed, we can change entire sentences and then entire paragraphs and then entire chapters. Pretty soon,we can replace the entire text of a book with another or with whatever we wish to and then where are we?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 04:09 PM

and the walls came tumbling down!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 04:08 PM

You didn't read what I said did you MtheGM?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:56 PM

I retract my last statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:46 PM

For the first time in 10 years it seems even a adim is too correct to allow conversation on attacks upon COngressmen.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 01:39 PM

Thunder?

Ha ha ha ha!


Fuck off!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 11:48 AM

You mean, I take it then, Greg & Richard, like The Guardian also; or does the fact that that journal's sensationalism happen to reflect what I take to be your own take on political matters somehow exempt it from being deposited into your particular roadside drainage channel?

It has, after all, belatedly got around to this story as its lead in today's online edition. Here is its opening:

···White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw
Row erupts after former home secretary says grooming for sexual abuse is a problem among some Pakistani men···

Doesn't look all that different in its headlining from all the other coverage to me.

All newspapers sensationalise to some extent, for crying out loud. It's how they sell. Show me one which doesn't {except perhaps the FT?} and I will give you a nice red apple.

❦~Michael~❦

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 11:01 AM

Jack Straw and Keith Vaz are it seems no longer on the same hymn sheet. And indeed the use of words in teh matter between them could fairly I think be said to be one of correctness - whether or not "political correctness" as that term is used as a term of abuse.

The evidence should be fairly considered and evaluated - but it is precisely that that the "I'm not racists" here are refusing to do. They do not have statistics or broadly based evidence to indicate that Muslims from the Indian sub-continent ( who are largely , following partition in 1947, Pakistani or Bangladeshi) prey sexually upon "white girls" (whose religion as distinct from colour is not Ithink reported).

This fascination, about the corruption of "our women" has over the years focussed on many ethnic or religious groups. For years it was a worry of the white right about African and Caribbean immigration. Hitler frothed at the mouth about the alleged fact that "spermatic absorption" meant that a German woman who had sex with a Jew was no longer purely Aryan (evidently he did not believe in condoms). Folk song contains "Prince Heathen".

Bearing in mind that Islam is not a "top-down" religion in theory, I have not seen any analysis that shows a concordance of Islamic theocratic views that assert an entitlement for Muslim men to corrupt any women whatever their colour or age. There are nutters, of course, such as the tribal elders who hand out sentences of gang rape (although I have only ever heard of one such incident) but I know of nothing to show a tendency.

I have heard many white males express views that African or Caribbean women are routinely unchaste.

At present there is a lot of racist hot air and no real analysis.



Turning to the "gutter press", while I roundly disagree with Don on many things I think he has the right of this. The key feature that marked out the "gutter press" was the inclination to prefer sensationalism often with an agenda. That is in my view a criticism that can fairly be levelled at the Times and the Telegraph today, and has long been a key characteristic of the Mail and the Sun.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 10:15 AM

Just wonder what you folks historically called Brazil nuts? Did it have the "N " word in it. It did where I grew up (""n" toes). Should that name not be reinstated, for historic purposes? Then we can change the name of Brazil, which is named after the nut. :))

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 10:02 AM

==="the gutter press (and I include the Times and the Telegraph in that group)"===   Don T.

====
Well, if we are all allowed to make our own definitions, nobody can ever be defeated in argument, eh?

Assuming you are not joking then, Don T., kindly define "gutter press" to justify that particularly fatuous statement. Unless, as appears, it simply means "any newspaper with which I, the great and infallible Don T., happen to disagree" ~~ in which case, please don't bother.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 06:34 AM

My My.....Hasn't it gone quiet in here?

Could that be because "arch racists" Jack Straw and Keith Vaz have just been headlining BBC NEWS, demanding an inquiry into PAKISTANI MUSLIM gangs exploitation of young "white" girls in the UK.

Of course Straw and Vaz are as "liberal" as our opponents here, and wily politicians to boot.   They are simply re-positioning themselves for the coming storm which will shake the "human rights act to its core".

Back under your stones guys......hear the thunder!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness goes too far
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 05:13 AM

""In this case, is it simply coincidence that 95% of the criminals were Muslims abusing "white" girls?.....and police sources say this is only the tip of the iceberg.

The connection with this thread is of course "liberal ideology" which demands that we censor our literary heritage to suit the "liberal" agenda.

The police say that officers and child protection workers are afraid to speak out against the practices of these Muslim gangs lest they contravene the human rights act and are accused of racism.
The culture of silence which allows these acts to continue, is encouraged and implimented by the same people who wish to re-write our literary classics.

I is also remarkable that the same people who shed the tears for the young people abused by Catholic priests, can spare not a word of comfort for girls as young as 11 forced into a life of sexual abuse!""

Ok, as we are not to be allowed to stay on topic:-

If I thought for one second that your concern was for the plight of the girls involved I might just possibly agree with you.

However the G W Bush technique you employ in order to constantly re-inforce the idea that grooming and rape is a Muslim pastime give the lie to any such concern.

You do not make the same capital out of the activities of the many disparate groups of Eastern European sex trafficking gangs, the major difference being that they are white.

To take your main point of argument """No word from you "liberals" on the younng white girls being groomed and sexually assaulted by Pakistani muslim gangs in the UK and even larger numbers in the Netherlands?""""

1. ""No word""......Hardly surprising since the rest of us know what the topic of this thread is, and have been trying to discuss that topic.

2. Ignoring the feeble attempt to substitute "Pakistani" and "Muslim" for "Criminal" (I'm surprised you didn't go the whole hog and use the abbreviation), your take on targetting doesn't stand up to a moments scrutiny.

The true facts are as follows:- A gang of paedophile rapists, who groomed and sexually assaulted young girls, have been arrested and will stand trial for their crimes.

1. The fact that this particular gang happened to be Muslims is totally irrelevant, but it pushes the buttons of those with a racist mindset, and they ignore the fact that the majority of paedophiles in Britain are white and British.

2. The fact that the majority of the victims were white shows only that young Muslim girls are not generally allowed to wander the streets at night.

Any criminal looking to snatch a girl from the street has odds of ten to one or better of finding a white girl.

So the bottom line is that the gutter press (and I include the Times and the Telegraph in that group) and you, Ake, have distorted that straightforward set of facts to further an agenda of anti Muslim "Paki" bashing.

Bigotted both racially and religiously.

You are doing a fine job of defining yourself on this forum.

BTW, do continue to ignore those who disagree with you. It is much easier than trying to defend a seriously biased attitude.

Don T.