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Subject: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:52 AM If I have the story correct a number of rabbis have taken out a full page ad in Rupert Murdock's Wall Street Journal today asking that FOX unNews tell Glen Beck to quit throwing around the term "Nazi" as an adjective for anyone who disagrees with him... I have not seen the ad but my felling is that it's long overdue... His casual usage of the term Nazi as well as Holocaust in such a manner is terribly disrespectful to the 8 million Jews who were killed as well as to those who found themselves trapped on the wrong side of history... Maybe someone will be able to find the ad and make a blue clicky to it??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: bobad Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:12 AM Article here: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/rabbis-protest-glenn-beck-holocaust/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Maryrrf Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:32 AM I sure wish somebody would bust him. He spouts a toxic stew of lies, half truths, rants and raves, mean spirited diatribes and incendiary rhetoric. I wish he'd push the envelope too far (he already has, in my opinion) and be yanked off the air. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:41 AM Beck consistently throws around all sorts of terms he obviously doesn't understand or know the meaning of. Of course, he's an ignorant school dropout, so what would one expect? As for yanking him off the air it wouldn't make any difference; the Republican River Of Bullshit would quickly and easily find another gobshite to take his place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: josepp Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:51 AM Beck and that Cramer guy both irk me. They talk about gold and currency like they're some kind of supernatural geniuses. I want to meet one person outside their sponsors and backers who have made it rich off either of these two idiots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Wesley S Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:54 AM Fox will do nothing to Glenn Beck. His ratings are too high and he makes too much money for the network. Why would they try to tamper with his success? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Maryrrf Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:11 AM Unfortunately, Greg and Wesley, you're right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Jeri Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:19 AM First off, I think that being sensitive to words makes one vulnerable, and announcing it is worse. Especially if those wielding such words look like the all-grown-up version of your neighborhood bully, and that's how I've always thought of Beck. The taunting big mouth, all swagger and little substance. He likely earns lots of money for Fox because of the spectacle. Sure, some people are dim enough, or wannabe bullies themselves, but I'd guess a significant number of those who watch him just wonder what stupid stuff is gonna come out of his mouth next. He's more of a joke, like a cable network version of a local access whacko, but viewers is viewers, and no one expects truth from Fox. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:34 AM The same people listen to Beck as read "National Enquirer" or "The Weekly World News". "Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain." - Friedrich von Schiller |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM Whether some group of Rabbis want Beck to be 86ed is of no consequence to me. I'm sure there is another group of Rabbis out there that find Beck fine and dandy. Clergy are like the Supreme Court. Their pronouncements are their specific opinions based on their own world view. And these pronouncements change as the personnel change. Long ago, I decided that no religion, no political party, no group, nor any pundit speaks for me. I reserve the right to agree or disagree, accept or reject their ideas. I say let Glenn Beck speak. You don't like his ideas or his interpretation from the facts...challenge them with better ideas. That goes for any speaker from Ann Coulter to the recently fired Keith Olbermann, from Sarah Palin to Rep. Steven Cohen. Someone once said (or should have), "The antidote to free speech is more free speech." Amen!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:07 PM He's more of a joke, He's no bloody joke- he's a dangerous asshole. Those that actually believe what he says, however, are considerably MORE dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: saulgoldie Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:25 PM Actually, while his ratings may be high, he has cost Fox MANY sponsors. He is being subsidized by Murdock. As for letting words offend you, perhaps if you asked a Holocaust survivor how they feel about it you might find it enlightening. Course, they are likely not his audience. Free speech? The airwaves and cable broadcast bandwidth are naturally finite, and not every voice has "fair" access. Should have, but in reality, don't. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:29 PM "I say let Glenn Beck speak." Commendable basic attitude, but when someone can be proven to be disseminating false information and distorting issues, his 'right' to do so over public airwaves needs to be discussed. Beck may 'have' any stupid opinion he wishes...just like you & I... but when he simply states demonstrable falsities with no oversight, he is playing fast & loose with the manipulation of public opinion. ...and no, it is NOT the same with 'both sides'. Various conservative factions and individuals are simply lying about basic information and claiming it is just 'opinion, protected by free speech'. This goes FAR beyond plain 'spin', which even liberals will resort to. The sort of loaded rhetoric employed by Beck, Limbaugh, Bachmann, (and several members of congress) have no place in decent discourse....and they get away with it because it takes 10 times as much effort to counter and disprove false assertions than it does to keep them flowing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: saulgoldie Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:51 PM From Mark Twain: "A lie will go around the world before the truth has its boots on." Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 02:21 PM Well, ya know, might be different if the FCC hadn't rescinded the "Fairness Docterine" at the behest of the right-wingers. Them chickens has come home to roost.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 28 Jan 11 - 03:44 PM Until such time as he is shot, he will continue to spew hatred and bullshit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 03:45 PM Nice post, 999...you do yourself proud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 03:49 PM Not half as proud as Beck does himself, John. Or do you maintain that Beck does not trade almost exclusively in hatred and bullshit that can- and has- been proven to be bullshit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:04 PM Well, John, I have come to agree with the right-wing. They advocate violence. The Becks, Robertsons, Coulters and Palins are all in favour of it. Who am I to disagree? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Jeri Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:22 PM Oh goody! Let's do everything we hate that other people do, and there won't be any difference between us and them. I think he'll keep going so long as he's alive AND has a forum. We can't shoot everybody we don't like. Sometimes, we miss. Loughner managed to kill a bunch of people, but Giffords is still alive, so that doesn't leave assassination looking like an effective solution. As for the "forum" bit, there is always going to be a significant number of stupid people in the world. Can't shoot all of them, either. We can keep on trying to promote truth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: saulgoldie Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:23 PM Heeey, no "shooting" here! THEY do ENOUGH of that kind of talk. Remember that "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth leaves the whole world blind and toothless." If "we" are going to call them out, we have to be ULTRApure. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:25 PM but Giffords is still alive, so that doesn't leave assassination looking like an effective solution. Only because Loghner was incompetent. I'm sure the TeaBagger-Beck Axis has someone more skilled in the wings waiting for an opportunity. Stay tuned.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:25 PM Tell that to the Third Reich. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:47 PM You CAN'T shoot 'em, even if it made sense...which it doesn't. That attitude they espouse is only fueled by violence against 'em, and gives 'em an excuse to retaliate...YOU know that, Bruce. And you KNOW which side has more guns squirreled away, just waiting for a chance to 'save the world from Fascism'. We can prove them wrong and we can VOTE them out...and we can educate, so stupidity will have less breeding grounds. If we fail totally at all that, I'm not sure the world will be worth living in anyway.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:50 PM I don't have the details and maybe someone else remembers the story or has a link to it but seems to me that about a year ago a number of Beckites got into a shooting incident with police on the way tyo0 shoot some leftie for somethin'... Maybe someone remembers that incident and can find a link... That's the kinda of thing that a sane society would take a look at real closely and go, "We really don't need these people to being using our publicly owned airwaves to incite violence... Anyone have the details on that incident??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:45 PM There have been a number of such incidents Bobert - California, Pittsburgh, etc. Read up on them here: http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149129/how_glenn_beck's_twisted_worldview_goads_disturbed_people_into_acts_of_violence in a piece written well *before* the Giffords attack. Kinda prescient, yes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:53 PM clicky... Beck's Violent Rhetoric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:54 PM Beck himself is a "disturbed individual" - not to say a psychotic one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:15 PM They were talking about Beck being treated for mental illness way back when he was on CNN's "Headline News".. I heard HIM admit it. I had wondered about him even then, and was glad when he disappeared....then amazed when he turned up on Fox in an even more prominent place. I really cannot tell what his basic driving forces are, but they are a funny mix of 'patriotism', self-aggrandizement, messianic Christianity and |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:23 PM Thanks, TIA... I would think that maybe John on the Sunset Coast would benefit from reading this link... I mean, when innocent people are being killed by people who believe the lies that Beck spins then, yeah, it is time to at the very least sit the boy down and tell him to chill... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:57 PM Well, I don't much listen to Beck, so I can't speak to what he says on his shows as to its true truth or falsity. I do know what people say he says, but I don't know if those reports are true or false. In either case, I don't believe he should be shut down or shot down. Beck is on a station that I listen to for other shows. Several times I have heard his promo calling for his listeners to be proactive in political activity. He specifically, in this promo, notes that his listeners should in NO way be engaging in violence--that's a lot better message than some I read on the this thread. He also suggests that they pray about their actions (ooooh scary, scary, scary!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:00 PM Then he goes and tells people to be sure to shoot people in the head, John... And guess what??? Some of his followers take that to heart and go out and kill people... That's the point here... You say you don't listen to him but then again you see no reason why he be told to chill out... If it was you or one of your family members who were killed for no other reason than some nut told them to kill them, you might see things a little different... Seems going back a long ways,. like 1963, the right has used violence against the left... We on the left have had enough of or brothers and sisters killed by ya'll and to sit back and say, "Hey, he's go every right to say what he wants" is to be an accomplice when perfectly innocent people are targeted fro their political beliefs... Yeah, think how you'd feel if someone killed one of your family members because someone in the media told 'um it was not only okay but the thing to do... That is the issue here... This is beyond 1st amendment stuff... Listen to the guy and come back and tell US how it's okay for this guy to be on a "News" station??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:12 PM Bobert, how would you feel having your speech rights taken away, or your gun rights, or your right to peacefully assemble, or any of your Constitutional rights. Don't give me this crap about how would you feel if...It's bull shit and you know it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:15 PM And by the way, just which of Glenn Beck's listeners have killed anybody...with proof, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM John...you KNOW that if there were positive proof that would hold up in court, he and others would be in jail now. VARIOUS killings have been linked to various right-wing 'encouragement' to "Take out these liberals/abortionists" etc. When they 'hint' to folks who are already primed to hate, it is just a matter of connecting the dots. ADDRESSES of 'targets' have been posted and Beck, Limbaugh and others have made semi-veiled remarks allowing as how it sure would be nice if those nasty opponents of God's laws were 'dealt with'. Politicians have dropped out of races **because they received anonymous death threats!** You don't think they're quite so dumb as to SAY: "Somebody go kill that liberal commie", do you?...although I have seen clips of them coming pretty close! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:59 PM Check out www.liberalslikechrist, John... You absolutely don't get the fact that we have a war being waged by one side: the right.... And they kill, and they kill, and they kill... I mean, if it were a football game the score would be like 2000 to 3... The right not only kills here but everywhere... Hitler was a rightie... PolPot was rightie... Everywhere we look, the US very much included we have righties killing liberals... 1979 Greemsboro, NC... KKK shoots down 5 non-violent marchers and no arrests... King, Kennedy, Kennedy... Abortion doctors.... Nurses... Family planning counselors and guess what, John??? To date I have never heard one rightie say, "Enough is enough".... Never!!! Waht I hear is the same old shit: "Well, boys will be boys" 'er "Hey, they have a right to say whatever they want", 'er "Them niggers shouldn't have done this or that"... This goes back to the end of the unCivil War in our country and hundreds, maybe thousand of folks have been gunned down, hanged, dragged down country roads from a rope on the back of a pickup truck, etc... No, John... NO matter what your words are you are on the wrong side of humanity here... Yes, "Enough is enough" and unless you are perfectly willing to see your side continue using assassination as just another political tool then you need to look inside yer heart and say... ..."Enough is enough" Anything less then in my eyes you are an accomplice... And so is every rightie in this country... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:00 PM We are not speaking of "VARIOUS(sic) killings have been linked to various right-wing 'encouragement'...", we are speaking specifically of Glenn Beck, not that I accept your quoted premise to start with as a common occurrence. I read here, that Glenn Beck is a liar and an agitator stirring up folks to commit murderous acts. I have never heard him imply that people should be violent. I have heard him explicitly (not tangentially, not metaphorically, but explicitly) tell an audience that violence is not to be inferred or used. Listen to a station which he is on where they run that promo (in Los Angeles it's on AM 870 KRLA) if you doubt my post. Of course if you do that, you might get a dose of (alternate) reality. I stand by what I wrote at 12:12, and post hoc and emotional arguments I've read here, only confirm my position. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:09 PM "I have never heard him imply that people should be violent." I have... I shall endeavor to find specific links/text/videos... I am not sure what has been archived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:33 PM check this with video YouTube of radio show (you have to watch it ALL to see the point) heavy hints about poisoning Pelosi Kidding? Maybe... what does he have to DO? more...yeah, there's more. You can do searches too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:35 PM Calm down Bobert, I don't want to be an accomplice to your having a heart attack or stroke. I listen primarily to three talk shows from conservatives, and two to liberal hosts, one by osmosis. No, I do not listen to every hour of each of these gentlemen, but I listen most every day to some. Each of these hosts, right and left, never hint to anybody at any time to resort to any sort of violence. When violent acts occur, the shooting in Tucson, the shootings by the Moslim doctor at his military post, and the shootings of abortion doctors by fundamentalist Christians, as examples, all of them are quick to condemn the acts and the perpetrators, and to point out the evilness of the killings. The major difference is this: the conservative hosts don't rush to judgment to blame outside influences for the individual's action; the liberals are nearly always--and generally erroneously--quick to assign blame even before the blood has dried on the ground. Sounds pretty much to me like some things I read here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:38 PM Now, I maintain that Beck is just ONE who strews hints in his programs, and that it IS relevant to refer to others, but you CAN spend all evening just reading & listening to BECK weaving ideas for his sheep that tell them something needs to be done. You demand precise, direct proof that he said "Go kill someone"? No, he only skirts it....believe what you want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:16 PM "... but you CAN spend all evening just reading & listening to BECK weaving ideas for his sheep that tell them something needs to be done." Nice literary allusion there. Maybe I can send away for the code book to unveil actions I'm supposed to take which he isn't directly telling me what to do, as I guess I missed that part of of the conservative manifesto When caught, I can use the Geraldine (Flip Wilson) plea, "The Glenn Beck made me do it, whoo-whee." whilst I smile large, roll my eyes and undulate sexily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: mousethief Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:54 PM Hey John, did you watch the videos? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:08 PM Of course he didn't, mouse... After all, John is way to busy being John on the Sunset Coast and... ...losin' credibility with every post... I mean, history is littered with dead leftist because some asshole rightie told his follower's that it is was perfectly okay (if not or ordered) to shoot those ______________ (fill in yer own anti-reactionary movement/party)s... I.e progressives, liberals... I mean, lets get real here... Ain't no hiding... You are either pro-human on anti-human... Ain't no fenced here to walk... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:40 PM Well, yeah, Mouse and Bobert, I did watch a couple of those videos. I don't agree with most of what Beck in the Canadian segment, as I don't agree with most of the argumentation, here. At least the gentleman from TYT had the skills to calmly and logically refute Beck. While I didn't watch all 13+ minutes, I did not hear bumper sticker attacks on Beck, and I didn't hear a bunch of emotional non sequiturs. The other one was a montage of 5 - 10 second snippits edited for maximum impact purporting to be a news report. It was simply a polemic, not much better than some of the arguments here. That one gets two thumbs down...well maybe one thumb up for editing. Nice, if dishonest, try though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:06 AM John is one of the best people I`ve met through Mudcat, even though we`ve never met in person. He is reasoned in his thinking and smart in his considerations. The fact we don`t always agree is just the way things are in life. His views are conservative, but hey, ya know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:21 AM Commendable basic attitude ["I say let Glenn Beck speak"], but when someone can be proven to be disseminating false information and distorting issues, his 'right' to do so over public airwaves needs to be discussed. Goebbels, Lenin, and most other totalitarian despots and their supporters have made almost identical arguments. Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:41 AM Sorry, Tac- more overwrought bullshit. Click Here or Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:58 AM I doubt seriously if Stalin or Goebbels had any interest in anyone hearing any other stories but theirs... This is what we have "right" here in the US... Other that 3 hours of the truth aired on a cable station, the rest of the media is corporate owned and firmly camped out on the right side of the divide... (But what about the "liberal" media, Boberdz???) Haha... It only exists in the minds of the Epsilons... Boss Hog knows the real deal 'cause he uses his big stick (corporate media) to propagate mythology... That is reality and... ...misinformation is his tool to control the masses and to continue the fleecing of the labor class... And he uses the lest intelligent of the Epsilons as his enforcers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:18 AM 999... I'm sure John IS a nice guy. We have several pretty conservative posters who I'm sure I could have lunch with and debate in a friendly manner. I also know that some of them simply cannot entertain the notion that certain famous conservative pundits play fast & loose with the facts and use imagery and language which pushes the limits of fair, decent and sane selling of their 'sides' points. The Republican party today in not the one *I* grew up knowing, with Nelson Rockefeller in office and William F. Buckley making their arguments. We have really off-the-wall politicians today, with REALLY off-the-wall pundits supporting them. This new idea of "don't worry about offering real ideas..just get power back by opposing everything Democrats try to do..." is making it hard to carry on any real debate. There is a coalition of rabid anti-abortion forces, mixed with slogan shouting 'anti-tax' zealots, mixed with stalwart, independent "I don't want ANYONE, especially in the govt., telling me what to do!" militia-oriented gun owners, mixed with and supported by business lobbyists just fighting anything that would cut into their profits, no matter what the interests of the country at large....and all these reinforcing each other thru Fox news and related outlets. Not only that, for many years, there were many, many more conservative talk shows, both on radio & TV, simply because wild accusations and conspiracy theory rants are more 'interesting' and sell more soap than reasonable, sane talking points. It is a pretty recent thing to have any 'liberal' shows with any sort of format that both made sense and held viewers interest. (Remember the aborted attempt to make Al Franken's comedy show a 'liberal voice'? He just couldn't sustain both comedy and sense, and is now MUCH more effective as a Senator who 'occasionally' uses humor.) So... the Glenn Beck situation is serious, for BOTH sides, because he IS getting lots of airtime to push very extreme attitudes and is, along with others, becoming the only voice of conservatism, hardening the base, but driving away many right-leaning independents and at the same time using valuable energy from the left to refute his polemics. Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity,...and several ULTRA-loony radio shows have changed the entire landscape of honest debate to one of careless and dangerous whipping up opposition to 'liberals' and those liberals trying to figger out how to respond without resorting to similar tactics. I shudder to think what thing would be like if we got a president and both houses of congress filled with folks who agreed with Beck & his cronies....the Supreme Court already has 4-5 who are serious threats, as the "Citizens United" decision shows. Yes...I DO get carried away, don't I? At least I care & try. |
