BS: Thinking

Subject: BS: Thinking
From: kendall
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 11:58 AM

I know that cut and paste is about as popular as a wet dog at a wedding here, but this is too good to not share.


> It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then -- just to loosen up. Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker.
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> I began to think alone -- "to relax," I told myself -- but I knew it wasn't true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time.
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> That was when things began to sour at home. One evening I turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother's. I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don't mix, but I couldn't help myself.
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> I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau, Muir, Confucius and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?"
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> One day the boss called me in. He said, "Listen, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have to find another job."
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> This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. "Honey," I confess, "I've been thinking..."
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> "I know you've been thinking," she said, "and I want a divorce!"
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> "But Honey, surely it's not that serious."
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> "It is serious," she said, lower lip aquiver. "You think as much as college professors and college professors don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking,we won't have any money!"
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> "That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently.
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> She exploded in tears of rage and frustration, but I was in no mood to deal with the emotional drama.
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> "I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door.
> I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche. I roared into the parking lot with NPR on the radio and ran up to the big glass doors. They didn't open. The library was closed.
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> To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that night. Leaning on the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye, "Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?" it asked. You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers Anonymous poster.
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> This is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it was "Porky's." Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just seemed...easier,
> somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking. I think the road to recovery is nearly complete for me.
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> Today I took the final step............ I joined the Republican Party.
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Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 12:12 PM

After "thinking" is outlawed:

Cop: "You been thinkin', son/"

Pulled over driver: "Yeah, I confeess... I have been thinking but I ain't thunk..."

Never mind...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 12:55 PM

Thinking was banned by The Corporate Bastards about 20 years back..heard they made a few bucks since then.....

I think a lot, about why so many don't think any longer. It worries me, puzzles me, bamboozles me, angers me and scares me...

Great 'cut and paste', kendall, even without the punchline...I think...

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 03:13 PM

Posted here by saulgoldie on 11-Sep-2007.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 03:30 PM

Jim... you think too much.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM

I think, therefore, I am depressed.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 05:50 PM

I like that thinkin' stuff....it lets me needle 'various' folks in ways that riles 'em up.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:01 PM

Here's how to see if you've truly recovered.

Read the first post in the thread 'What You're Not Told About Cancer.'

If you can read it without thinking, 'Yes, but...' or 'How do you know that...' or 'Surely not everybody is that bad...'

then you are cured.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:15 PM

Being addicted to constant (yet completely useless and unconstructive) thinking is precisely what stands in the way of inner calm, psychological health, and enlightenment. Most people don't know how to shut off the ceaseless flow of thoughts in their mind, and they never escape them except when asleep. They do get some respite from their chronic flow of thoughts by dulling them through alcohol, drugs, sex, and other sense-related escapes, but that's only a brief attempt to cover up the inner stress caused by chronic thinking...an endless babble of thoughts inside your own head.

And none of what I said above will make a single grain of sense to anyone who is addicted to his constant train of thinking and thinks that's good! ;-D

In fact, he'll "think" what I said is a bunch of hooey. Bill D? Do I see you advancing to the front of the queue? ;-D

For a full and very thorough explanation of exactly what I'm talking about, read any book by Eckhart Tolle. You could start with "The Power of Now". If you're addicted to constant thinking, though, you'll probably think it's a bunch of hooey.

Or read any book by someone in the Eastern disciplines who is well versed in meditation (quieting the chattering mind in order to discover the greater awareness that lies quietly behind it...and which is found by achieving inner silence).

Virtually everyone out there thinks almost constantly. They can't stop thinking. This doesn't mean they think clearly...or intelligently...or positively...or toward a useful objective... It just means their mind is full of a cascading flow of usually haphazard and very repetitive thoughts, thoughts which stress them out...and they do not know how to shut it off. It leads them by the nose all day long, causes them to do many stupid things, and they finally escape it for 8 hours or so by falling asleep at night...once they get past the dream state into deep sleep, that is.

To think is not as uncommon as the intellectual types like to think it is. All human beings think. That doesn't mean they think in a way that's of much use to themselves or anyone else, though. They just make a lot of mental noise inside their own heads, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:21 PM

Yes, LH. I am working my way through "TPON" right now, although not at this exact moment, during which I am typing this post.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Micca
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:40 PM

Caesar:
Let me have men about me that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar Act 1, scene 2,

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:47 PM

Would this then be a case for I don't think, therefore I am not?:-)

LH, agreed!

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrF0O2Kta8Y

Sorry... I downloaded IE9 and it doesn't like the link maker.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:16 PM

"Bill D? Do I see you advancing to the front of the queue? ;-D"

Got me a reserved seat.... season ticket...

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:30 PM

"Ah figgered yew'd say thet...."

(growls the grizzled gunfighter, checking to see if his holster is properly adjusted) ;-D

What people term "thinking" is a form of chronic restless mental activity, most of it devoted to recycling thousands of memories of the past, and spinning around all kinds of thoughts about possible futures, most of which will never happen, and avoiding (or resisting) being fully rooted in the present. This burdens and confuses human beings and depletes their available energy, not to mention making them far less effective in the present.

There is a type of thinking, however, that's very useful. That is well-organized thought which is directed toward achieving a specific future objective...or toward solving a present problem of some kind. That is what thinking is really for. Unfortunately that comprises maybe 1 per cent of the average person's daily thoughts, and the rest is just a bunch of repetitive noise...comparable to the gossip and chitchat people engage in when they have coffee at the local cafe.

A mind that loves to think for thinking's own sake (and I have such a mind) is particularly prone to engaging in a great deal of complex thinking all the time, and enjoys doing so. I believe you have a mind like that too, Bill. The difference is, you think that's a desirable thing to have....whereas I think it's exactly the obstacle that stands in the way of my getting to where I really wish to go...in terms of both my inner and my outer destination.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: kendall
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:36 PM

Sorry about the repeat post, don't know how I missed that.
Anyway, it's worth posting again. Thanks, Saul.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 10:00 PM

"...I think it's exactly the obstacle that stands in the way of my getting to where I really wish to go.."

Hmmmmm...interesting. I....uhhh... 'think' I could debate that, and possibly convince you otherwise-- but not 'briefly'. The short version is that your personal 'thinking' patterns sustains you... whether I, or anyone else, agrees with you.

You are correct that I value such a mind, and try to exercise and train mine to sort out 'life', no matter where it leads me. What this gets me is seldom **the answer**, but rather, a list of 'inadequate answers' and thus, better betting odds and winnowing down the possibilities.

You suggest you HAVE "inner and outer destinations"... and that is quite an achievement. I want to slyly ask if you found them by thinking.....

I remember a quotation to the effect: "It is hard to distinguish those who won't think from those who can't think."

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 12:24 PM

It isn't my thinking pattern that sustains me, Bill. It's my state of being that sustains me. My thinking pattern sustains my outward personality, but my outward personality isn't the entirety of what I am. In fact, it's just a temporary mask that overlays what I am. Most people assume that that mask IS all they are.

Yes, I have inner and outer destinations. Inner destinations have to do with the state of my consciousness. Outer destinations have to do with how that consciousness expresses itself in the world of outer phenomena.

Like you, I "value the mind, and try to exercise and train mine to sort out 'life', no matter where it leads me. What this gets me is seldom **the answer**, but rather, a list of 'inadequate answers' and thus, better betting odds and winnowing down the possibilities."

Yes, indeed. We both do that. But I place a greater value still on what lies beyond the mind and is greater than the mind, and that's my state of being. Pure being. It doesn't think. It knows. It doesn't seek. It's already there. It doesn't want. It already has. It doesn't fear, because it's indestructible. My mind does fear, however, because it knows it's mortal as it knows that the body is mortal, and they're both only temporary. My state of being goes on regardless of that, because it's not temporary.

And you won't believe that. ;-) And I can't prove it to you either...nor would I attempt to.

I don't talk to you about these things to prove anything, I talk because I enjoy the process of discussing them.

Regaring your quotation above...There is no such thing as "those who won't think" or "those who can't think"...because every ordinary human being does a great deal of compulsive thinking whenever he's awake and conscious. His mind chatters, repeats past thoughts, engages in imaginary dialogue with others, and thinks anxious thoughts about the future. All that is thinking, but it's mostly useless thinking. Your quotation, however, was not referring to that. It was referring to people who don't (or can't) think in an organized and effective manner. And there are any number of examples of that around.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 12:32 PM

Cogito cogito cogito, ergo cogito cogito sum, cogito.

Descartes seems to have been misquoted, probably by that quack Voltaire.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 01:40 PM

My gas tank has a sticker that says THINK! It's not illegal yet!

I call it my think tank.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 02:00 PM

"And you won't believe that. ;-) And I can't prove it to you either...nor would I attempt to."

Not for me to believe or disbelieve... When I quibble, it's about usage of terms, insofar as they 'seem' to dilute useful meanings. I simply have no referent for: " ...what lies beyond the mind and is greater than the mind,..."

What actually 'happens' inside you cannot be doubted or questioned... that IS you. I just don't register any difference between 'inside ME and beyond me'. Those concepts are useful in poetry and expressions of emotional frames, and there are times *I* use them, but without any notion that they refer to any realm beyond my own construction (of linguistic terms) *grin*...sorry...

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 12:23 AM

I realize you have no referant for "what lies beyond the mind and is greater than the mind".

You'd have to silence your mind...while fully awake and conscious...to discover a referent for that. And you'd probably have to silence it repeatedly and for longer periods of time before you "got" it and discovered such a referent. That isn't easy. Most westerners have no familiarity with the concept of silencing their mind, therefore it doesn't interest them in the first place. They look, instead, for ways to keep their mind busy...(as I am doing right now by typing this stuff on Mudcat!) ;-D

If it did interest them, though, they'd still probably have to work very hard (initially) to achieve it. They'd have to stop their compulsive thinking and just observe silently...observe...listen to the silence...observe...

And how many modern people have the patience or the self-discipline to do that?

One in a thousand. Maybe less. I'm not very good at it, but I do know about it. I only know about it because I have spent much time investigating traditions in which it is practiced, and I've been around a handful of people who are adept at doing it. Did it make them better, stronger, more loving, and more effective people. You BET it did!!! I speak from experience on that. Having seen snow gleam on the far distant mountaintop, I know it is there, and I attempt to climb higher.

I will again assert, Bill, that I am not my personality nor am I sustained by my personality. My personality is created and sustained by my mind, but I am not. ;-D Now, consider this. When I am in deep and dreamless sleep, my mind is silent, and my personality is not evidencing itself in any way. It too is silent. Along with my mind, it has ceased to play any part in what's happening at that time. But I am still there because my being is still there. What sustains me is still there, fully sustaining me, by the force of my being, although my mind and my personality have both shut down during that time of deep, dreamless sleep. My state of being is still pumping blood, digesting food, sustaining the trillions of living cells in my body, and running my nervous system, while my mind and personality are totally shut down.

This indicates clearly that it is not my personality that sustains me, because when it's not there at all, I am still being sustained most effectively.

My personality is a role player that plays a certain role, that's all. It arose as an appendage to my being and built itself out of memories, cultural influences, parental influences, and so on, and it will retire from the stage at what we call death, as will my ego-mind. But in my opinion, the essential state of being which allowed my personality to come forth out of pure being will go on...and will probably allow other future roles to be adopted, and if so, those will necessitate the construction of new personality-mind identities.

That's theoretical, though. We'll have to wait and see. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 12:48 AM

My mind screwed up the html in that last post. ;-) The italics were not meant to encompass the last 3/4 of the entire post.

[fixed- friendly elf]

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: kendall
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM

The main function of music is to free the conscious mind from the tyranny of thought.
Ok, so how come so many musicians are also deep thinkers?

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM

Little Hawk... I am familiar with the concepts and for want of a better word, 'feelings' you describe about yourself...and your selfness. There are similar things explained and used in Zen meditation, in bio-feedback....and of course, in theories of reincarnation.

I KNOW that it is quite possible to train the mind to "stop .... compulsive thinking and just observe silently...observe...listen to the silence...observe..."...to various degrees. I often wish I had developed the ability, as it could be useful to 'retire' from daily coping for awhile. I have met several people who did such things to varying degrees, and while I admire the discipline, I simply don't make jumps to metaphysical constructs ("...the essential state of being which allowed my personality to come forth out of pure being will go on...") about its basis. This essentially a religious viewpoint, whether it is framed that way or not, and involves implicit assumptions about the very nature of reality.
   Now, this can well be a useful model, or metaphor, to aid in the mind-focus techniques you refer to...but I'll confess, I intentionally refrain from using such metaphors personally, specifically to avoid getting caught up in accepting incompatible ideas. (Yeah, I may be missing something valuable, and it 'could' be possible to have both...but...old habits die hard.)

So... "That's theoretical, though. We'll have to wait and see. ;-) "... yep...and a LOT longer than *I* have, I'd guess...

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 02:13 PM

kendall - Because thinking is a very useful tool, and it comes naturally that highly intelligent people may also be highly creative people.

I am in no way suggesting that intelligent and well-directed thinking is a "tyranny". I'm suggesting that compulsive, continual, but purposeless (or reactive) thinking is a tyrrany...just as compulsive, but purposeless (or reactive) talk is. A head full of noise (or full of defensive reactions) is not a head that's engaging in intelligent thinking toward a coherent purpose...but it IS full of thoughts. They aren't deep thoughts. They're shallow thoughts.

As for the creative abilities, such as fine songwriting, etc...my impression is that they don't spring much out of thought, but rather out of a form of inspiration or intuition. The reason I say that is, the best songs I've written have all come unexpectedly, apparently from nowhere, with no rational or logical thought preparation at all. They just "happened", and they happened pretty fast.

The times I've sat down and planned in advance to write a song about something specific, on the other hand....that stuff is usually laboured, and it doesn't result in a very good song. Therefore, I do not think that deliberate thinking is what produces great works of art. I think a flash of inspiration produces great works of art, and I think inspiration springs from what I term "being", not from the thinking and calculating mind.

The thinking and calculating mind, however, is very good at observing, understanding, and discussing the great works of art that spring out of inspiration, because it's an excellent observer and analyzer if it is so inclined....and it is inclined that way in those people you term "deep thinkers".

The mind, properly used, is a brilliant tool. Improperly used, it's just a continual babble of distracting noise that never shuts up, except when you sleep or get heavily intoxicated. Go to any cafe. Listen to people babbling at each other across the table. You'll see what I mean. They are, in most cases, not engaged in what could be termed "deep thinking"...they are engaged in very shallow, reactive, repetitive thinking. And it never stops as long as they're awake. They are under the tyrrany of a compusively babbling mind, but they don't know it. This is the mental condition of a majority of the population.

Musicians and artists generally tend to be people who tap into their creative (intuitional) side a bit more than the average person does. They go to a source beyond thought. That also tends to make them deep thinkers rather than shallow thinkers, because they start using the mind a bit more creatively than a shallow thinker is inclined to. They look farther into things.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 02:35 PM

LMAO......Give it up Bill. You might as well be trying to present logic and philosophy to a horse.............and everyone knows you can't put Descartes before the horse.................................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 04:17 PM

Bah, Hume-bug!

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: kendall
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 07:29 PM

LH, right you are.
Shallow thinking, like our new governor. He'd be over his head in a parking lot puddle.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 07:44 PM

Rene Descartes walked into a McDonald's and ordered a hamburger. When the kid in the paper hat handed it to him, he asked, "Would you like fries with that?" Descartes said, "I think not.?

And vanished!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 07:50 PM

The Dalai Lama walked into a McDonald's and ordered a hamburger. When the kid in the paper hat handed it to him, the Dalai Lama gave him a five dollar bill. The kid stuffed it into the till and said, "Next."

The Dalai Lama said, "Excuse me, but where's my change?"

The kid in the paper had said, "Change comes from within."

(Rimshot!!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 08:09 PM

The Maharishi had to go to the dentist, but refused Novocaine.....because he wanted to 'transcend dental medication'.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: saulgoldie
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 08:20 PM

Don,
I heard it differently:

The Zen master says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything." The vendor complies. The ZM hands over a $20, and then (as you said).

I told that one at a local comedy open mic, and the audience just stared at me. Oh well. Good joke anyway.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 08:32 PM

And now I know, as commentator Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story!

Thanks, Saul.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 09:12 PM

LOL!!! Great "spiritual" jokes, guys. I love it.

Spaw, yer a silly old bastard. You know that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:30 AM

People do ascribe mystical, religious, metaphysical constructs to practises of meditation. These may not come in the same language as a computer instruction manual. But the practise of mental withdrawal required to get to a state of observation is similarly assisted by following step by step mental excercises; ones that assist concentration. They are technical, repetitive, and enhance focus. Just as someone working with a computer needs to follow certain steps to get an outcome, so a yogi needs to go through a process of complex mental excercises to achieve a state of withdrawal.

Discussions afterwards about what happened and ascribing some moral epiphany or heightened benevolence are the subjective mind interpreting the after effects according to a local cultural phoilosophical context and expectation.

But someone in another era describing a car, a plane, or an operation may resort to mystical language too, because they can't possibly understand it.

That said, it's amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:46 AM

post script. yes, it's irrational to believe in something that you haven't experienced, and it's also irrational not to believe in something you have experienced.

Is it irrational to choose not to experience? nup, just a choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 01:54 AM

Thinking? I leave that to qualified people.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 12:12 AM

Most corporations have a standard clause in an employee contract.

If you happen to think of or invent something while working for this corporation...It belongs to us and not you.


It goes to show it doesn't pay to think/

I have a sister in law who is successful in the dorporate world. She is almost 60 and has never heard of the grapes of Wrath.

We showed the film and her critique was as follows.
"That was just depressing" As she actually tried to make her diamond ring cast light in peoples eyes.

and yes She and her husband are happy working for the Ohio Republican party.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 12:21 AM

Wow. It gives one a lot to think about, doesn't it? I figure it helps to be selectively blind if you are intent on succeeding in the corporate world.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 03:01 AM

Sometimes too much time can be wasted on thinking instead of doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 09:33 AM

"There was professor who had a lisp. His class went swimming at the beach. He swim too far from shore and he started sinking. So he waved his arms to attract attention and get help.

They shouted : "Professor, are you ok?!"

He shouted back: "I'm thinking! I'm thinking!!"

So they left him alone to think.

And think like a rock he did."

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 09:56 AM

The "they" that don't want you to think covers 99% of the human race.

So it isn't easy to point fingers.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 01:22 PM

Yup.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 01:42 PM

"Got me a reserved seat.... season ticket... " -- Bill D.

(He knows the management. And he helps set up the seats and sells snacks at the break.)

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 02:03 PM

Yeah, he's a clever one, that Bill D. ;-) Doesn't miss much.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 02:47 PM

...huh?...wassat?

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: gnu
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 03:07 PM

He said you don't piss much.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 03:33 PM

Fat lot HE knows!

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 05:16 PM

Those who are doers are primarily agents employed by the money men.

The thinkers who figure out what to do, either for good or for evil, for profit or for the right thing to do profitably for the future,
are the real doers in my book.

I have often seen thinkers denigrated and isulted for being dreamers and not doers. They never insult the other side of the coin and critisize a doer for not being a thinker.

There are the very few who are both like Kazan, Jobs and Hakman.

Einstein was a dreamer and thinker yet he never built one atomic bomb. That was left to the doers.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 05:40 PM

Yes, indeed. The bean counters build the bombs and obey the orders.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 07:24 AM

Taking too long thinking about something could allow you to miss out on many chances, missing the boat as it were. I am not talking about for the good of mankind and world peace (that has to be thought through, agreed) just in everyday life e.g. taking too long thinking on a decision or an idea that might have made a fortune (someone pips you to the post or steals it) or an interesting job offer lost because you didn't act on it sooner or taking too long to ask someone special for a date. It's ok thinking as long as it isn't negative thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Thinking
From: gnu
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 06:34 AM

That's meditating.