BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:45 PM

I was having problems with the 'blue clicky' The post below is mine


Let's try this one....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:51 PM

...and then there is this....!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 11 - 03:15 PM

So Jim, I was right about you not daring to put up any of my "crocodile tears."
Sometimes I would prefer to be wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 11 - 03:24 PM

"Sometimes I would prefer to be wrong! "
Pompous pratt - you have my offer, now you only need the balls to take it up.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 May 11 - 03:32 PM

Let me rephrase what DonT said.

Pakistan? I told you so.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 13 May 11 - 03:42 PM

Looks like Osama wasn't just beating infidels: Porn found in Osama bin Laden's hideout

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 11 - 05:00 PM

bobad: "Looks like Osama wasn't just beating infidels: Porn found in Osama bin Laden's hideout."


Oh, how can I resist THIS one!?......I guess he had a lot more, than blood on his hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Never fails, with those guys!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 11 - 05:12 PM

Jim, I reject your offer.
You made a false statement about me.
A slur.
You have done it before.

As usual you can not produce the offending post because it does not exist.
It is another Jim lie.

I do not need to negotiate that you substantiate or withdraw.
Common decency demands that you do.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:05 PM

""YOU need to read a lot more carefully Don T!
I never said it.

And you have driven Don F away with your violent, aggressive nastiness.""


Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 May 11 - 05:42 PM

"Not every person in Great Britain is weeping tears over bin Laden. Most of them remember the World Trade Center massacre and the people murdered in the London Underground a few years later, and remember who was responsible for it."

9/11 cost us 67 dead.
The single biggest loss of British life for any act of terrorism.
52 dead on 7/7.

Your comments Keith?

As for Don Firth, his leaving has, I think, more to do with being unable to prevent justifiable criticism of his government's "violent, aggressive nastiness".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:11 PM

And if you're looking for some primary source information:

http://twitter.com/alemarahweb

The Twitter page of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, i.e. the Taliban.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:30 PM

As if these fanatic terrorists need an excuse to kill people. Their real target is sycophantic hand wringers and they've reeled in a few from here.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:44 PM

DonT

"First instalment of repayment for US action re Osama bin Laden drawn in Pakistan today.

80 lives on account."

Richard Bridge

Let me rephrase what DonT said.

Pakistan? I told you so.


They killed fellow Muslims -- WTF is the matter with you people?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 11 - 10:16 PM

bobad,
After reviewing a mere slice of bin Laden's porn collection I have already come across a video that included one of my ex girl friend's performances. While I have mixed feelings of outrage, hypocrisy and laugh my ass off reaction, I must say after my exaustive research on his porn collection, that it is indeed a small world.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:14 PM

As for Don Firth, his leaving has, I think, more to do with being unable to prevent justifiable criticism of his government's "violent, aggressive nastiness".

Not so. The justification is obvious.

Slamming me in my absence, Don T.? A bit cheesy, I calls it.

I'm still looking in from time to time. And I see that prejudice is still rife. Why am I not surprised?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:32 PM

Don Firth !?
Perhaps there is not a finer man who as ever breathed. Certainly he's subject to the same human foibles and feet of clay as the rest of us, but he is a man among men. Just yesterday I was speaking to Beatrice Wombworthy and she said that Don was not only a scholar and a gentleman but indeed has displayed compassion in situations in which a common man would never be able to muster an iota of empathy.

As for his nation, well as Reginald Cocqueswain would say, "Thats a bit of apples and oranges now init?"

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:40 PM

I have a close up photo of bin Laden's vaseline jar by his bed.
Today it takes on a new light.

I should post my collection of Usama photos from childhood to 53.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 01:30 AM

Don T, the quote was from Don F.
I expect you missed it because it was part of a longish post.

My only comment was
"9/11 cost us 67 dead.
The single biggest loss of British life for any act of terrorism.
52 dead on 7/7."

You would assault me physically for stating those facts?
You are also the only person to have used the word "fucking" or anything like it on this thread.
Why can't you just be nice, like the other Don?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 01:54 AM

Jim, this is the first post about gang raped children that you ridiculed as "crocdile tears."

5th April 2011 1.12AM

We have heard many victims' stories now.
Emma, the girl in the Woman's Hour interview, cases detailed in Lively's links.
Cases in the various articles such as Yorkshire Post.
All very similar, and I found them deeply moving.
You don't even remember.
The only thought elicited in you was, "how can I discredit them?"

Hillary Wilmer is universally praised and admired for her work.
We have read some of her victims' stories.
She offered them as typical examples.
She has hundreds.

We know they exist.
You shut your ears to the cries.
You wont hear or see anything that challenges your preconceptions.

Perhaps I should have looked for a better word to describe you.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 01:59 AM

This one Jim?

06 Apr 11 - 03:22 AM

Jim you repeated my question to Lox.
"WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????"

I put the same question to you.
Everyone states that they were raped by gangs of BPs.
Not one has been found who identifies any other group.
Why won't you listen?

To save your face you try to make liars of these children.
That itself is abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 02:03 AM

You ridiculed me for this post too.

06 Apr 11 - 12:29 PM

Again you deny and betray the child victims.
They all say they were raped by gangs of BPs, not by other groups.
Why will you not listen to those poor raped children.
No-one likes it, any more than you do.
But, it is a fact and we should learn to deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 11 - 03:38 AM

Thank you for putting up examples of your highly florid crocodile tears Keith - they'll do very nicely as starters, but lots more to choose from.
Excuse me for not joining you in turning this thread into yet another pointless slanging match between us, in deference to those who wish continue discussing the topic in hand - couldn't if I wanted to - off to sunny (I hope) Corfu tomorrow.
On topic.
Despite what has been claimed above nobody here has expressed the slightest degree of support or sympathy for Osama bin Laden; that remains a figment of the imagination of those wishing to defend the indefencible (don't you just know your point has struck home when your opponents deliberately distort what you have to say?)
Kidnapping, false imprisonment in intolerable conditions, torture, assasination, indescriminate killing... these are the things we associate with terrorism, yet these have become the accepted practices of those supposedly involved in George Bush's "fight against tourism" - the 'anti-terrorists' are becoming indistinguishable from those they are fighting.
Iraq and Afghanistan have proved that this war cannot be won militarily; it might be contained for a while, but it is there waiting in the wings, ready to bring about more 9/11s or 7/7s.
Al Qaeda is a world wide, non- connected, non-organistion; four replacements for bin Laden were immediately identified following his death, scattered all over the Middle East - I wonder if the intention is to kill them all - then the ones that follow - then the ones that follow them......
As I see it, the only way to oppose them is to cut off their support; to attempt to win the hearts and minds of their would-be followers. This won't be done by invading sovereign territory, endangering the lives of innocents and humiliating governments in order to assassinate somebody whose strategic role was, at best, highly questionable and who is as replacable as member of any pub quiz team.
With the events in countries like Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, there are signs of a desire for a break with the old ways - this cowboys and Indians shoot-out is no way to make the best of welcome developments at a time they could go either way.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 03:41 AM

"they'll do very nicely as starters, but lots more to choose from."

Let's see them then.
I kept asking for just that courtesy.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 11 - 04:04 AM

"Let's see them then."
I can only put this down to a deliberate attempt on your part to wreck this discussion - if you continue with your obsessive behaviour I hope somebody has the good sense to have you removed from this thread.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 04:10 AM

No danger of that Jim.
There are no more for you to show.
It is a lie.
Just giving a date/time or a link would not affect this discussion at all.
But you can not.
You lie.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 07:16 AM

""They killed fellow Muslims -- WTF is the matter with you people?""

And stated that it was in reprisal for what? American action!

I kind of expected that the killings would be quite acceptable to you, as long as they stick to Pakistanis or British and leave Israel and the US alone.

When they get round to the US, don't expect the same level of sympathy you had after 9/11.

The UK had no part in this game, but we'll be targets too.

One day you guys will be asking the same questions I'm asking now.

Just because you could, should you have done it, and was it worth it?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 May 11 - 07:20 AM

Bobad - 0644 - "They killed fellow Muslims -- WTF is the matter with you people?"

Are we to infer, Bobad, that they don't count?

Are we to infer that personnel in training by an ally of the US to patrol and police the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan, being trained to oppose the Taliban - are somehow in your twisted mind enemies of the USA and allies of the Taliban?

Or is it just that they are Muslims? Incidentally, how do you know that they were all Muslims? There are Xtians in Pakistan you know?


Let me explain. This was a Taliban attack on the forces of the Pakistan state that is officially an ally of the USA. It was because the Pakistan state is officially an ally of the USA.

I told you so.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 14 May 11 - 07:28 AM

The Taliban are retaliating against America by killing Muslims in Pakistan????

You people sure are twisted.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 07:34 AM

""I'm still looking in from time to time. And I see that prejudice is still rife. Why am I not surprised?""

If you keep trotting off at regular intervals your posts still get responses, as do mine and everyone else's......Live with it!

And pardon me for being prejudiced, but I am convinced that I am entitled to a little prejudice against being made a target by the ill advised vigilante behaviour of a supposed ally, which is the only prejudice I have exhibited here.

Incidentally, this report on BBC News this morning.

The Pakistani government has demanded that the US cease the current drone attacks carried out within Pakistani territory, and threaten to cut off supply routes to coalition forces in Afghanistan if the US do not comply.

There is a further call for the Pakistani government to mount a full public inquiry into the circumstances of the raid.

So Keith can no longer use his standard mantra that nobody is complaining.

I think that the eventual cost of this will be more than the most gung ho Americans would consider reasonable, and the US government may find that the whole thing blows up in its face.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 07:55 AM

""Why can't you just be nice, like the other Don?""

Do you and Don F consider it nice to ignore everything that I have said, and claim that I, (and others who disagree with you) are terrorist sympathisers and anti American?

I have been at pains to make reference to the US government, not the US people, throughout this thread, so where is the Anti American sentiment which you attribute to me?

I have lost count of the times I have repeated that I have no problem with the fact that ObL is dead (though I think that he got off too lightly). It is the way in which that was achieved to which I object.

Eighty innocent Pakistanis have already paid some of the price for this "victory", which doesn't seem to bother any of you at all.

As Bobad said ""They killed fellow Muslims -- WTF is the matter with you people?""

So that's all right then! No need to worry till they get round to the US civilians.

I don't think I look at all prejudiced compared to THAT!

By the way Keith (assuming that you have bothered to read this far, which is unlikely on past evidence), if you choose to repeat what somebody else has posted and add to it, you can't go back and hide from your endorsement of by claiming you didn't say it.

You DID SAY IT! And you did believe it. Now have the guts to own it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:06 AM

"As Bobad said ""They killed fellow Muslims -- WTF is the matter with you people?""

So that's all right then! No need to worry till they get round to the US civilians.

I don't think I look at all prejudiced compared to THAT!"



I see that your logic is as twisted as theirs is, but that is to be expected.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:13 AM

'The Pakistani government has demanded that the US cease the current drone attacks carried out within Pakistani territory, and threaten to cut off supply routes to coalition forces in Afghanistan if the US do not comply.

There is a further call for the Pakistani government to mount a full public inquiry into the circumstances of the raid."


You really have very little understanding of the internal politics of Pakistan, specifically the relationship between government and military. Here is a quote in regards to the above from someone who does:

"As Al-Qaeda and Taliban commit mass murder in Pakistan, the country's cowardly politicians succumb to military blackmail and condemn not the Taliban, but the USA!"

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:55 AM

Don T, I quoted Don F and stated 2 brief facts about casualty numbers.

For that you would do me harm.
I have been in some arguments here in the last dozen years, but I have never been threatened like that!
And why do you have to use such language?
You should work on your anger and aggression.

It is so easy for Taliban to blow people up close the their tribal homelands in Pakistan.
Just a 50 minute drive.

They already had plans to attack Western targets.
They can not increase an already all out effort.
They already hated us, even before Iraq and Afghanistan.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 May 11 - 09:45 AM

Well, three things which should piss EVERYone off:

1) I`m glad the murdering bastard (OBL or UBL depending on whether you`re an ordinary guy or a CIA wannabee) is dead

2) If I knew how to reach the SEALs who killed him I`d send a box of chocolates

3) As for those who figure OBL should have received a trial--he did. He chose his verdict when he began to slaughter people in the name of his religion. Fuck him!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 14 May 11 - 09:57 AM

I `ad one of them taliban in my cab the other day. Funny `at, scraggy beard and a grenade launcher.
I said, "Morning Mohammed, where to today?"
`e said, "Allah mode Jim, could you take me to that Mustaq`s Kebab `ouse in Barking. It doubles up as a mosque when `es not cooking. We`re `olding a memorial do for Osama Bin Liner, the martyr."
I said, "Martyr! You`re `aving a laugh. I never once saw a picture of `im wearing a suicide belt, only the other poor suckers."
`e said, "No, I know. `e was allergic to explosives!!"

Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 May 11 - 10:17 AM

Pretty obvious really - the US attack, on Pakistan's soil, puts its ally, Pakistan in the hot seat. It puts all opponents of the Taliban in the hot seat. Why is the ugly American unable to understand that?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 11 - 10:42 AM

What about the massive loss of life in the March bombings in Pakistan.
Islamist militants seeking to overthrow the government have bombed hundreds of police, army, commercial and civilian targets in Pakistan over the past three years. ISI offices in the Punjabi cities of Multan and Lahore have been attacked, as well as in the northwest city of Peshawar.

No change.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jeri
Date: 14 May 11 - 11:06 AM

999, I agree 100%. I don't think we would have ever gotten permission. I think the Pakistani government, at least those not in bed with Al Qeda, are glad, although they can't really say so. We went in, killed him, then got the hell out. If we'd had him stand trial, he'd wind up dead too, but there would have been a whole lot of stuff in between, possibly including more deaths and things going "boom". And terrorist killings of innocents of another country are NOT simple crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 May 11 - 11:28 AM

Sad to say, I have to agree with 999 as well.

But most of the posts on this thread are a classic example of self-indulgent venting.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 14 May 11 - 12:07 PM

I still see that Don T is banging on about "vigilantism".

Let me see the action of a vigilante is:

1: Totally unauthorised, completely unofficial.

2: The independent action of a private individual or a small group of like minded private individuals who have no official standing.

Looking at the killing of Osama bin Laden:

1: He declared himself the head of an international terrorist group, that had declared war on the United States of America and her allies and had ordered his followers to kill any American man, woman or child wherever and whenever the opportunity presented itself.

2: Under his own definitions he would never describe himself as anything other than an enemy combatant with respect to the forces of the United States of America.

3: The people who killed bin Laden were members of the US Navy SEALS, a duly constituted, recognised and fully authorised branch of the armed forces of the United States of America.

4: The people who killed bin Laden were acting under orders from their Commander-in-Chief, who personally authorised this mission.

5: In the performance of their duties in carrying out this raid Osama bin Laden was shot and killed as an enemy combatant.

No grounds whatsoever could be established to substantiate calling this the act of a "vigilante", or could describe it as an example of "vigilantism".

Had this been an operation aimed at the specific execution of Osama bin Laden then everyone in the compound would have been killed. Every single body would have been removed. And most important of all nobody would have said a thing about it. There would have been no grand announcements.

I totally agree with Guest999.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jeri
Date: 14 May 11 - 12:15 PM

Well, Charley, I look at the contributors to the thread and I believe they'd have a major 1,000 post fight over whether beige is a real color, only about 97% will spell it "colour". Mudcat Traveling Wrecking Crew. But everybody's still pals at the end, and ready to carry it on somewhere else, right?

...and all most of us, including you and I, do is "self indulgent venting". (Actually, it's just venting, because it is, by nature, self indulgent.)

I'm trying to take a more practical view of world events. Yes, there is good and bad, right and wrong, but they're often so jumbled up it's hard to tell where things fall on the big balance. After something's over and done, we can talk about it, but it won't change anything that already happened. Whether or not anyone thinks killing a past, present and (probably) future terrorist who leads an association of terrorists is a good or bad thing, it already happened. I don't this will all happen again the same way... I mean OBL. The argument probably will go on forever, in infinite variation.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 14 May 11 - 12:28 PM

Now, now, lads - let's not lose sight of the central issues of this, er, "discussion."

I've organized and outlined them for you:

I. Was the US raid justifiable?
   A. Legally?
   B. Morally?
   C. Tactically?

II. Was the Taliban's suicide bombing in Pakistan justifiable?
   A. Legally?
   B. Morally?
   C. Tactically?

III. Does the US bear any responsibility for the Taliban bombings?
   A. Legally?
   B. Morally?
   C. Tactically?

Also, when will someone raise the possibility that the "Taliban" bombings were a false-flag operation actually carried out by somebody else? I can conceive of a number of possible perpetrators and motives, all very devious and therefore more likely than the media story, but I'll let you deal with that issue on your own.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jeri
Date: 14 May 11 - 01:31 PM

Er... Lighter? I think your broad outline will wind up (pun accidental) covering the next 100 or so threads.

A. It's all W's fault.
B. The US is capable, and willing (under the right direction--see 'A.') to do really stupid things just because we can.
   (1.) I believe the war in Iran is one of those things, and probably the war in Afghanistan. BUT I lack the intelligence (military info--stop laughing) to know for sure.
   (2.) I believe killing O/UBL is NOT one of those things. I think farting around and starting a bunch of wars instead of going after O/UBL IS one. (See 'A.')

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 May 11 - 02:34 PM

The bastard is dead, good riddance. Thanks to the U. S. for taking him out without loss of life outside his compound.
There are a few more who should be targeted-

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Teribus
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:22 PM

I. Was the US raid justifiable?
   A. Legally? YES
   B. Morally? YES
   C. Tactically? YES

II. Was the Taliban's suicide bombing in Pakistan justifiable?
   A. Legally? NO
   B. Morally? NO
   C. Tactically? NO

The Taleban have tried to peddle the lie that they had no connection with Al-Qaeda or bin Laden so why are THEY avenging him? We have only THEIR word for it that this bombing wasn't an operation planned weeks ago. The Taleban's (Pakistani Taleban we are talking about here right?) fight is with the Pakistani Government, their aim is to destabilise the Pakistani Government and they have been attacking similar targets in Pakistan ever since the Pakistani Army moved against them in Buner and Swat Provinces.

III. Does the US bear any responsibility for the Taliban bombings?
   A. Legally? NO
   B. Morally? NO
   C. Tactically? NO

The reason the Pakistani Taleban attack targets inside Pakistan has got nothing to do with Al-Qaeda or bin Laden or Afghanistan.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:34 PM

""You are also the only person to have used the word "fucking" or anything like it on this thread.""

Not so! There have been a fair number of epithets produced in the course of this thread, and by several posters other than myself.

I was unaware that you had been promoted to the lofty position of profanity watchdog.

However, although I am not obliged to account to you for either my words or my actions, I will point out that after having stated numerous times that I had no sympathy for ObL and was pleased that he was dead, both you and Don Firth continued to ignore that and to categorise me as a terrorist sympathiser.

I decided to emphasise the point by using the F word, which I hardly ever use (please note that I have used the euphemistic form in deference to your delicate sensibilities), but I might as well not have bothered, since the only part of "I'M F**KING GLAD HE'S DEAD!" that you actually saw was the F word.

Which word, incidentally, was not even directed at you or Don Firth, but an adjective qualifying my feelings about his death.

It was established long ago that bad language on this forum would not be barred or moderated except in terms of a direct attack, and Joe Offer has also indicated his abiding dislike of euphemisms.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:43 PM

999... "2) If I knew how to reach the SEALs who killed him I`d send a box of chocolates"

If you do "reach" them, I'll add a box of bullets.

Allah bless the SEALs.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:55 PM

""3: The people who killed bin Laden were members of the US Navy SEALS, a duly constituted, recognised and fully authorised branch of the armed forces of the United States of America.""

But not a duly constituted, recognised and fully authorised branch of the armed forces of the country in which they were operating, (in case you've forgotten) Pakistan.

""4: The people who killed bin Laden were acting under orders from their Commander-in-Chief, who personally authorised this mission.""

I see, you are saying that this Commander-in-Chief has some officially authorised role in the government of the Sovereign State of Pakistan, which permits him to carry out military actions within its borders. Isn't he a bit stretched running two countries so far apart?

""No grounds whatsoever could be established to substantiate calling this the act of a "vigilante", or could describe it as an example of "vigilantism".""

If there is an internationally established maximum size for a group whose activities can be described as vigilantism, perhaps you would direct me to the relevant statute? Authorisation has yet to be tested, let alone proved.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 11 - 06:05 PM

""If we'd had him stand trial, he'd wind up dead too, but there would have been a whole lot of stuff in between, possibly including more deaths and things going "boom". And terrorist killings of innocents of another country are NOT simple crimes.""

A very pragmatic point of view Jeri, but the killings have started, and whatever Bobad thinks (and his record is far from unbiased), the fact that they were Pakistani deaths doesn't mean they can simply be written off as irrelevant.

And riding roughshod over the sovereignty of another country is NOT a simple crime.

In terms of the effect on other allies who were neither informed nor consulted, I can only hope that the inevitable retaliation will be selectively targetted.

I'm sorry, but that to me seems only fair.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jeri
Date: 14 May 11 - 06:31 PM

800