BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)

Subject: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 02:25 PM

The Newt thread got me to thinking.

Is it Romney? Nice Health Plan there buddy!
Pawlenty?. The only thing interesting about him is an unrealistic budget plan.
Perry?... If at first we don't secede....
Bachman?.. The Daily show has already written the campaign ads.
Palin?.. The Daily show, The late night comics and CBS News have already broadcast the campaign ads.
Ron Paul? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Y'all got more?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 07:41 PM

There's no one out there that is being talked about that can or will beat Obama...

So my dream team is Palin/Bachmann or vice versa... I mean, that would be awesome... Make the '64 election look competitive....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:49 PM

Jeb Bush? Maybe if he could hire and exorcist to get rid of the ghost of Dubya. Or change his last name to something more appealing, like Dahmer.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: saulgoldie
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 08:51 PM

The Dem dream candidate is...any of the crop of Repubs we have seen, and most of whomever is on the distant horizon. However, Obama's main enemy will be...himself. He has to make a convincing case that, "Look over there! You see how much worser it *could* be?!!"

So far, he has taken *this* voter from the Democratic wing of the DemocratIC party for granted.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 09:03 PM

As I said on another thread, the GOP circular firing squad is a thing of wonder.





We hope voters from the "Democratic wing"   will be able to tell the difference in 2012 between the President and whoever the GOP puts up.

It shouldn't be that hard.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 09:45 PM

Jon Huntsman could pull enough of the independent vote to give Obama some competition but has the same problem as fellow Mormon Mitt Romney.
He isn't conservative enough to appeal to the right wing of his party (Teapeople), so he probably can't win the nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 09:51 PM

Huntsman also has another problem. As Ambassador to China he publicly praised Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:50 PM

How about this one, and it might explain the circular firing squad...

Ronald Reagan. If he were alive, young enough and eligible.

He ran up the deficit and he appointed a Justice, O'Connor, who voted for Roe V Wade. There is a chance the Tea Party couldn't forgive the first sin. The "Christian" wing of the party couldn't forgive the second.

Yet, today, both factions praise him as a great "conservative." That must be because he is dead, and otherwise not eligible to run.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 12:40 AM

This is nothing unusual. It just switches around periodically. I remember when the Republicans were running strong incumbents and the Democrats couldn't find a candidate who had any hope of winning the upcoming election. Same basic deal, only the other way around.

Remember Dukakis? No hope! Remember McGovern? No hope! It's the nature of your bipartisan system. Periodically the public gets heartily sick of either the Democrats...or the Republicans...usually after they've been given enough rope to well and truly hang themselves! ;-) (meaning 8 years). The supporters of the other party then go mad with joy, realizing that they are now about to get their way for 4 to 8 years. That's what happened for the Democrats in 2008 when Obama won, and there's nothing the least bit unusual about them now chuckling with glee and the Republicans trotting out a hopeless list of throwaway candidates and grimly eyeing the collapse of America, as they see it.

It's the old partisan run-around, that's all. Republicans got it their way for 8 years, now Democrats will probably get it their way for 8 years, after which it may do the old switcheroo back to the Republicans...but we'll have to wait and see about that.

It's like watching a nation go through some form of schizophrenia. It kind of matches the traditional definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting something different to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 01:12 AM

McCain was a strong candidate, especially in 2000 against Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 01:15 PM

I think throwaway candidates have a purpose..first of all to save your shining stars for the real race in four years. And you can increase your diversity with more women, minorities etc. who might be the best and brightest but also it might not yet be their time..but they open the gates for those following after. Geraldine Ferraro, Sarah Palin..And we are now in the process of plumbing the depths of how prejudiced people are against Mormons, which is one of our last allowable openly spoken of and socially approved prejudices, so Romney, whether he gets the nomination or not is serving a true purpose. mg

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:06 PM

Bachman?... Randy Bachman would be great but he's from Winnepeg.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:53 PM

I don't know that its prejudice against Mormon's per se. I think it is prejudice against anyone who is not JUST LIKE THEM. They "Christian Right" has questioned the ideological purity of many candidates.

Romney's big problems are not Mormonism. He supported Universal Health care. He came out in favor of reproductive rights. He was a popular governor of the most demonized "liberal" state.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 03:34 PM

I don't know people in general from the Christian Right. I am Catholic personally but not a good one. I think it is well embedded into the mainstraim..Mormon prejudice. I don't really know why except for the bigamy issue, which is not allowed by the main church now I think. And they have their own prejudices and rules which affect minorities, or did..but there is this gut level reaction to Mormons..who are some of the nicest people I have ever met. When we had a big storm here people kept saying the Mormons are coming, the Mormons are coming..they never said the Catholics are coming. The Unitarians are coming. The Baptists are coming. Only said the Mormons are coming. And we could all learn a lot from them in terms of self, family and community responsibility, preparedness etc.

There is a fear, and I found it in Ireland, of letting them have genealogical information, for fear they would retroactively baptise the Catholics and turn them into Mormons. If it works, great, if it doesn't, what is the difference. (See I am not a good Catholic). mg

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 03:47 PM

Some evangelical church "leaders" say that the Church of latter Day Saints is a "cult" and not a church."

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 04:53 PM

That is one source of the prejudice. But it still is found in more middle of the road and liberal populations. mg

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 04:56 PM

Here is something..22% of a poll...just scanned the article so can't defend the polling techniques etc.. said they would not vote for a Mormon..28% Democrat and 18% Republican would not if I read this correctly.

Google prejudice against Mormons and take it very very seriously if you believe in basic freedom for all. mg

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 09:13 PM

I don't know that I'd be quite so quick to label reluctance to vote for a Mormon as "anti-Mormon prejudice." I think it's quite clear that most active Mormons are NOT Democrats, so that would make it hard for a Democrat to vote for a Mormon. On the other hand, some Mormon politicians have been known to be very moderate Republicans, so maybe it's wrong to think they're all right-wingers.
I think both Mitt and George Romney have had a reputation for being decent, reasonable men.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:29 AM

I didn't realize until today that Jon Huntsman is also Mormon.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:27 AM

Remember the flap when Kennedy ran? What, a Catholic in the White House?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:58 AM

What KEnnedy had to defend himself against when he ran was fea

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:36 PM

Cartoons about Mormon candidates

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:17 PM

The reason to reject Huntsman and Romney is not because they are Mormons, but because they have the wrong stands on most of the important issues of the day. Simple enough.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:57 PM

Which "candidate" said:

"It’s true that our corporate rates are the second-highest in the world. But it’s also true that what our corporations actually pay is nowhere near the second-highest percentage of their real income in the world. [GE/Jeff Immelt/MSNBC for example] So I’d be perfectly fine with lowering the corporate tax rates, simplifying the tax code, and saving some money on accountants, but broadening the tax base so that all of them pay a reasonable amount of tax on their profits. That’s what the Bowles-Simpson commission recommended, and it’s the right policy. Lower the rates to be competitive, but reduce the loopholes that cause unfair disparities. We all need to contribute something to help meet our shared challenges and responsibilities, including solving the debt problem."

I mostly agree with this guy. I think the US would be OK with him if he could be president.

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Jeff Immelt, Obama's Jobs Czar. GE CEO Compensation $21,428,765
General Electric Co. did not pay any federal income taxes in 2010 despite more than $5 billion in profits.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:20 PM

Marie Osmond is Mormon too, but is she a Republican? If so, why not have them run her?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 12:23 AM

Obama has been beating us...I think he even will beat himself!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 12:29 AM

GFS , We don't need your opinion on that. You were saying that when he was running against Hillary.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 11:36 AM

My worry is that Hillary is gonna be too old to run for president pretty soon. If so, we'll miss having the Clintons back in the White House.

Of course, with Chongo ready to make his big society-changing move in either 2012 or 2016, that may be a moot point...

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:21 PM

Kennedy was defending himself (and did so manfully) against fears he would be a mouthpiece for the Vatican. His rejoinder was a simple assertion on the separation of church and state, very articulately made.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:30 PM

From the time of Kennedy's candidacy:

JFK has a telegram ready to send to the Pope if he loses:

               "Unpack".

Kennedy plans to have a rosary made of cannonballs, put it on the Statue of Libery, and rename it "Our Lady Of the Harbor"

   (What year did L. Cohen put out "Suzanne"?)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM

Obama will probably win a second term so why get all worked up?

I am afraid the economy is fucked for a long time either way. Nobody is going to turn it around in one or two terms.

Then before the economy gets back to normal we will be having the Greek riots ourselves.

Hell, It may never get back to normal. Right now could be the good years.

I just can't get an optimistic feeling going.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: DougR
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:46 PM

Glad to see you folks are feeling so confident about Obama's re-election. Try reading a newspaper and see if you still feel as confident. (if he does lose, however, I'm sure it won't be the newspaper's fault) :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 09:29 PM

DougR, I think your problem in predicting the race may be that u still read newspapers.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 05:00 PM

If Obama loses this time he can still run again next time... no rules say the 2 terms have to be consecutive.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 05:49 PM

I still read newspapers too! ;-) Should I be worried?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP Dream Candidate (for Dems)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 09:09 PM

If you hope to be well informed, probably. Depends on the Newspaper though. I hear the Orillia Oat Shucker is pretty on the ball.