York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011

Subject: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 03:41 PM

Just learnt about this weekend from Margaret Walters Website.

Can anyone supply details , please?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Surreysinger
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 05:07 PM

Nutty, this is the Yorkshire Traditional Singing weekend, a successor to the Dorset Singing Weekend which was run until last year by John Waltham. Very limited numbers, and fully booked. It is effectively in practice an "invitation only" event.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 06:06 PM

Sounds of dubious importance then.
Chris.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:14 AM

I too found this one on Margaret's website and like Nutty I wondered why I'd never come across it before.
What a shame now it turns out to be yet another cliquey "invite only" weekend to cross off the potential calendar.
A Yorkshire Singing Weekend that Yorkshire singers can't go and enjoy? Crazy, man!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: JHW
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:42 AM

Try Helmsley Folk Weekend in October. Usually some Yorkshire Folks there, indeed I met John Greaves last week and he now lives there.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:59 AM

indeed I met John Greaves last week and he now lives there.

I smile at the thoughts of John Greaves at the Helmsley Folk Weekend. In an ideal world, eh?

Palindromic lyrid add: Peel's foe not a set animal laminates a tone of sleep (Peter Belgvad)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 07:02 AM

PS - I'm holding a Lancashire Traditional Singing Weekend on the second last weekend in July and no-one else is invited. Just me. But on the last weekend you're all welcome to attend our open Ballad Session at 4pm on the Saturday of The Durham Folk Party.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: dozy rozy
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:04 AM

Ididnt go to a festival once upon a time,cos neither myself nor indeed anyone else wasinvited. Or welcome. I believe the standard was high..not a duff note !ll weekend. I can't wait to not go again.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:09 AM

Yes I too saw this on Margaret Walters gig list!

I had wind of some such event a while ago, I haven't been invited either

Hope to see some people at Bradfield Trad w/ed, I haven't been invited there either ~ I will say no more

Ray

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Surreysinger
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:29 AM

With all due respect, I said "effectively" invite only (in that details were sent to people who had been to the predecessor event and were interested in carrying on although in a different location). You wouldn't have heard about it, as it didn't exist before this year. The limited places on it were, as far as I know, fully booked some time ago.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:31 AM

So, who are the "in crowd" then? I mean if neither Ray nor Nutty have been invited it can't be much of a do can it!

Tell you what, why don't we organise our own proper "Yorkshire Weekend" just to annoy them!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: theleveller
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:40 AM

I wasn't invited, either - and I only live a couple of miles away. Oh, I'm not a trad. singer - that must be it!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 09:47 AM

~There is another singing weekend going on in Yorkshire in the Autumn- and you don't need an invite!

It's run by Fay Hield and has many different tutors covering workshops, singarounds and lectures, including (but not limited to!); Fay Hield, Jon Boden, Nancy Kerr, Hannah James, Martin Carthy.

It's called "Soundpost Singing Weekend"- if you google it, I'm sure it will appear. I think it's £80 for the whole weekend. :)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 10:31 AM

Just the £80 then......... that certainly isn't owt for nowt!!!!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Willa
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 11:54 AM

Not a lot of info, but here's the link to Fay's event.http://www.soundpost.org.uk/

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 11:58 AM

We didn't get an invite either, that is curious, right under our snecks.......so why no publicity?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM

Leaflets were being handed out at the Four Fools festival, among other places, for the Yorks trad singing weekend. I don't think there was anything particularly "invite only" about it. The people seemed keen for enthusiastic singers to go along. No need for carping ... it's just some enthusiasts getting off their butts and starting a new participatory event. From small beginnings... A cause for rejoicing rather than taking umbrage.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM

oops guest was me Peter aka stallion sans cookie (just got a MACBOOK and the cookie cancels itself very frustrating)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,stallion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:12 PM

whoa, I think people were only commenting about the lack of publicity in Yorkshire, the proposed venue. I don't think the Four Fools festival is anywhere near Yorkshire, is it? My opinion, for what it is worth, there is quite a large following of the genre in Yorkshire and not to publicise it in the locality is a bit of a gaffe.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,stallion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:14 PM

hu, it isn't York it's sheffield and in October! Mmmmmm!!!!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:21 PM

Definitely didn't see any info on this weekend at Four Fools, which I have supported for many years.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: theleveller
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:28 PM

"hu, it isn't York it's sheffield and in October! Mmmmmm!!!!"

That's the Soundpost Weekend. The one in the OP is, I believe, in Selby.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:45 PM

In my singing event you have pay £80 not to be invited. Worth every penny I'd say!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,stallion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:32 PM

is there any info on this event?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Willa
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 03:21 PM

Hi Stallion Here's some more info.

http://soundpost.org.uk/home.html

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: foggers
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:24 PM

As a resident of the Sheffield area, that fast emerging new republic of folk music, I would like to offer some clarification. I have quite categorically not seen no publicity about a trad sining weekend in august, sept or october. The fees may or may not range from zero to £80, and I have definitely been invited or not, as the case may be. If it were indeed the case that I had surely not been invited to this mystery gathering, I would instead squirrel away that £80 for my pension, which I also a figment of my imagination since the credit crunch, the public sector squeeze and the hacking scandal, has melted like snow in the sun.

So - to other yorkshire singers, I will definitely not see you there, and I would suggest that we collectively prevail upon the lovely Mr and Mrs Duck to organise another Yorkshire Mudgather for 2012, given that the one Jane put together this year was publicised to the extent that 30+ of us all turned up, cost considerably less than £80, and it was truly excellent!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:34 PM

Dead right foggers! Mr & Mrs Duck ran a great Yorkshire folk weekend and we all had a pretty good time because, despite a bit of rain and the odd windy episode (weatherwise) it was well organised and publicised.
On this thread, however, who's Margaret Walters? How can it be a Yorkshire traditional singing weekend if Yorkshire traditional singers can't go? Surely it's a private gathering of invited singers somewhere in Yorkshire? Oh yes, Ray, we haven't been invited either. In fact , an event that isn't publicised is likely to be a non-event?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 08:12 PM

Soundpost sounds good!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:18 AM

"In my singing event you have pay £80 not to be invited. Worth every penny I'd say!"

The cheque's in the post :)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:31 AM

sh*t does that mean if I can't find eighty quid I have to be there? Can you make it in York as my bike is only just younger than my legs and I have to wait til next July for my bus pass (which is a swiz cos I have my senior citizens rail card now!) as for pensions I started paying for one when I was 19 and thought nowt of it, now it pays me a weeks wages a month which is better than a kick up the arse from a hobnail boot! Anyway until I shake of this ague I ain't going nowhere (homage to fogger!)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:33 AM

Oh and I missed Mr & Mrs Duck's do cos I was in hospital but I would have loved to have been there

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:33 AM

Oh and I missed Mr & Mrs Duck's do cos I was in hospital but I would have loved to have been there

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:34 AM

how strange is that, two posts for the price of one key depression!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: selby
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM

There is a suggestion on this post that the invited event is in selby. I was watching the traffic lights change with the lads and they knew nothing about it either.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 04:43 AM

Does Jeffry know anything about this?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 05:10 AM

Just a thought - but I wonder if this might have something to do with the Stephensons - I know they hold folk events in that area. Any ideas anyone?

PS - please keep comments related to the thread - discussing two seperate events is getting confusing

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: r.padgett
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 08:06 AM

Now I have been in trouble before on such events, erhm!

Selby may be a clue as to the organiser, or not!

YTFw/ed that is!

Margaret Walters is an Australian folk singer who has been here a few times and I got an email from her recently on her forthcoming tour! O she bought my double CD too!

I am sure that the weekend will be great sucess and will be enjoyed by all that attend ~ presumably no audience then? Probably know more by end of Whitby ff week

Ray

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 09:14 AM

The leaflet I picked up at Four Fools was for the inaugural event of the Yorkshire Traditional Song Weekends. It is taking place on 16-18th September at the social club in Drax, between Selby and Goole. The organisers are glad4trad based in Leeds. "Traditional singing sessions, featured guest singers..." including Brian Dawson, Ellen & Kevin Mitchell, Mary Smith, Grace Toland, John Waltham. I think they're hoping to keep it participatory (rather than concerts) so smallish in scale and manageable for a first event. Good luck to them. Tickets are £40 for the weekend but I don't know if there are any still available.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:05 AM

Thanks so much davemc. I'm hoping places are still available

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:50 AM

Next time I'm York on a weekend I'm going to designate it a York Trad Singing Weekend. I will (of course) announce it on Mudcat, and it will be open to everyone who wants to come to York and sing traditional songs in various public places until we're asked to leave. First 'venue' - The York Minster Chapter House, once we're kicked out of there we'll head over the road to Saint Michael le Belfry and from there to other Churches in the city, all of which have cracking acoustics and a generally tolerant vibe. I remember Rachel & I singing something harmonious once in St. Helens and being asked for more. I suggest we start off the day very early at the Miraculous Bread Shop (my name for it) on The Shambles where we'll fill out knapsacks with perfect loaves on which to to feast throughout the day. Those who can't make the early start, or any other late arrivers, can keep in touch via mobiles.

All welcome; no fee; souvenir badges to be made up later, alomng with a CD best-of of the various field-recordings made over the weekend. Sunday, I reckon booking a big table in Ask, and then just singing our hearts out over first-class pizzas.

Sept 2011? Sure! Why not?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Another Guest
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 03:08 PM

Yorkshire Traditional Song Weekends as reported by Davemc.

Think that is fairly self explanatory.

O - and I am told there may be a few spaces left.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 10:08 AM

Oh S A next time you are in york let us know, if pm not up try facebook
Peter

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 10:41 AM

Sure - who are you on Facebook? Drop me a line... We've got family in York so we're over quite often if you fancy setting up a sing someplace...

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: theleveller
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 11:17 AM

Let me know and I'll see if I can make it (Pete Thompson on faceboook)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 12:50 PM

Peter Outhart on facebook

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 01:27 PM

Facebook friendships confirmed & requested! Anyone else??

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: dozy rozy
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:01 PM

I am on Facebook..bev Clarke. Can I   come and eat chips in the chapel?

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: foggers
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:06 PM

It's reassuring to have musical luminaries of the Yorkshire region such as Paul Dav and stallion agreeing with me!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:12 PM

if anything is going to kick off I will create an event invite on facebook

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:14 PM

anyway who told you I was an electrician!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: My guru always said
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 04:48 PM

Makes me wish I was on Facebook. I never get invited anywhere and if I find £80 it'll already be accounted for!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Guest again
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 09:26 PM

It looks as though almost all of the "contributors" to this thread are NOT interested in traditional song or singing.

Good luck to the people who are that are getting off their butts and doing something positive.

Missed a word out - oops!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: foggers
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:48 AM

Hi - I am on Facebook too - Jane Foggin - would be good to have a network on there for regional events.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:51 AM

oooo touchy, can't speak for anyone else but I can for myself, of course I care, and probably would love to be there. I have a social secretary that tells me what, where and when I can do things, less than ideal. The last time I went to the USA with the boys singing , she had my car crushed whilst I was away in a fit of pique because she wasn't invited. To say she is not a fan of the genre more like hates it, so I have to be very discerning about the amount of time i spend on the genre. Oh I had better qualify the hate bit, she hates me doing it, loves Hissyfit, Lannanshees, Blackbeards teaparty et al, seems it is just me! (probably - because i do have issues with officianados and labels vis-a-vis traditional,revival,contemporary in the traditional style .........and so on)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: My guru always said
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 06:11 AM

Oh, I'm definitely interested in traditional song and singing. Just that I'm not on Facebook & can't afford an £80 ticket. Even if I had known about it.

I wish this singing weekend good luck and hope that it will continue through the years with more singers able to attend.

Hils

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: JHW
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 06:53 AM

I was brought up in Yorkshire, near Richmond but worked in Weardale so my accent became 'both sides the Tees'.
I look forward to proper Yorkshire from John Greaves at Helmsley Folk Weekend in October

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:32 PM

Good to have picked up on this thread again with some more information available after all the initial puzzlement. I'd echo Paul Davenport's and Hils' posts in particular. Oh, and neither am I on Facebook yet ... and nor can I afford £80 for a weekend...
But I still hope it goes well for the mysterious organisers this year and that if it happens again in a future year, then perhaps we might just get to hear about it??
Assuming that PMs are back on by then..

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Guest again
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 09:23 PM

York? Sheffield? £80? £40? £1 3s 6d?

Read the informative postings for goodness sake!

No wonder Mudflap is having problems!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 04:46 AM

lack of transparency promulgate rumours, is it a "worst kept secret" or a publicity failure? Whatever if people only have scraps of information to go on what do you expect. So, in big bold letters" guest again" . Start a thread with the exact details in the message body with a leader in the title so everyone has an unambiguous grasp of what is going on. This is not a game of bloody cluedo.....oh and a proper name would lend it a bit more authority.
Peter Outhart aka Stallion

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 05:54 AM

You've all been so intent in making this thread into your own personal chatroom I didn't want to spoil your fun.

As 'Guest' suggested - all the information is there if you only look for it.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 06:11 AM

It looks as though almost all of the "contributors" to this thread are NOT interested in traditional song or singing.

Not true. I'd say we are very interested in Traditional Song and Singing, just not intersted in elitist little sing-circles where it costs £80 to do something you can do anywhere anyway for free. The beauty of it is immediate human contact, which you can't put a price on, especially when it's right there anyway, and most Gloriously so, which is the whole point of Traditional Song, one would have thought / hoped - or else newtworking fora like Mudcart where one may set such things up & let people know where they are.

Durham Folk Party soon. Rapunzel & I will be there leading our 'Ballad' session on the Saturday afternoon, which usually sorts out the men from the boys - at least those who have't fallen for certain beastly slanders being spread around by two northern singing types who really ought to know better. Not much shit goes down in Folk Circles, but when it does it's of a very high and sticky grade!

Anyway - all welcome to the Durham Ballad Sesh & it won't cost you a penny, but might cost you your soul if you've one to put into the pot and share in the merry crack.

My Facebook is Suibhne O'Piobaireachd - Traditional Singer: Fun Guy and Peoples' Friend.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 06:22 AM

Surely information re TheDurham Folk Party would be of more relevance in a seperate thread.

As for - "Rapunzel & I will be there leading our 'Ballad' session on the Saturday afternoon, which usually sorts out the men from the boys - at least those who have't fallen for certain beastly slanders being spread around by two northern singing types who really ought to know better"
I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 06:32 AM

Oh, just a bit of personal nastiness arising from an unfortunate incident a few years back which whilst not being my fault (they'd over run into essential down-time) I didn't handle too well owing to a very hectic festival schedule. Thing is, it's become a grudge on the parts of the other people involved and I've heard on various occasions they've been openly slandering me ever since.

Anyway, here's hoping for a merry Folk Party, we should be around for some of the evening sing too which I hear is back in the Rowing Club this year???

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 07:42 AM

SO - WHAT EXACTLY HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS TRHEAD

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 07:46 AM

As I have got the info I wanted I see no point in keeping this thread open.

Could someone close it , please

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,ossonflags sans cookie
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 09:45 AM

Well you can come to 'ull shanty.................it certainly is esclusive and invite only.........................MY INVITE!! to you one and all to come and have a good sing (bum notes and all!!)

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 10:54 AM

JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS:

(Sorry for the caps, just wanted to catch attention before more people got confused).

My name is Sinéad, I sometimes post on muscat, I'm 19, originally based in Kent, now in Sheffield. That information might help you recognise me (if, of course, you have met me- if not, this information is obviously irrelevant).

The topic caught my eye because I have just moved to Yorkshire and was interested in singing weekends that may or may not be occurring but felt a little let down when people were saying you had to be invited, as were other people, it seems.

So I thought I'd let the other people who were disappointed know about another traditional singing weekend that's going on in Yorkshire; in Sheffield to be precise. That is the Soundpost Singing Weekend, and it is £80 a ticket. For £80 you get top-class tuition by people who have studied and participated in folk music professionally or otherwise, to a high standard, for many years. The workshops cover many areas, including specialised areas that some people struggled with, particularly beginners, or those who can not afford regular tuition. This is includes practical workshops from tutors such as Nancy Kerr, Jon Boden, Hannah James, Martin Carthy, Fay Hield, Roy Bailey, Gavin Davenport, Vic Gammon and more, covering areas such as harmony singing, shape singing, tune singing, yodelling, ballad singing, "solo singing masterclass", "inventing your own voice", etc. Full details are at the link below:

http://www.soundpost.org.uk/events.html

As well as workshops, one-to-one lessons and selected masterclasses, the weekend also offers lectures, discussions/debates (which I think most of you would enjoy by the looks of it!) and numerous singarounds/sessions (which I believe will be taken in various places including the infamous Royal Hotel).

So, I think for everything included above, £80 is very reasonable, especially when people seem to think nothing for splashing out £200 on festivals, etc... you will actually come away from this weekend having learnt a great deal, feeling more confident with your own singing and having spoken to and been advised by tutors who have practiced and proven their capabilities in front of many other people and who are not usually available for any kind of tuition.

The reason I posted it was because I thought it would be an appropriate way to stop everyone slagging off the original event posted because they hadn't been invited and offer them an alternative event of a similar interest.

I don't know if you have to pay for the original event or not, but it has been claimed you must be invited.

For Soundpost, yes, you have to pay, but you don't have to be invited; it is welcome to all.

And before anyone asks, no, I am not the organiser of this event and nor do I have anything to do with it; I am simply excited about attending and thought other people would be as well.

***

Sorry for the rant like post, but I didn't want people confusing the two events further because it is not fair to the organisers of either event.

However you choose to spend your summer/autumn, and wherever you choose to do your singing, I just hope you get out and do it, instead of arguing incessantly over mudcat!


Thanks,
Sinéad.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:08 AM

It is useless putting info like this in this thread ------ start a new one.
Most of the above ifo has already been made available anyway.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM

Nutty - it's an open discussion forum; people can & do say what they like by way of conversation and free speech. These things grow & develope of their own accord. Nothing posted here is any way irrelevant to the thread; it all arises in response to the initial subject. Think of it as all part of The Folk Process - just sit back and roll with the developments. It's just a bit of fun anyway.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:07 PM

Nutty, I was just clarifying the information as some people had started to get a little mixed up, thinking soundpost was invite only and that the other event cost £80, etc. Seeing as I have no involvement with either event, I didn't want to be responsible for people not attending either one because my original post wasn't clear enough.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:29 PM

c'mon Hazel I never take myself seriously!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 09:18 PM

Suibhne - the £80 is not a singing circle, it's a weekend of tuition and master classes, with some fine tutors. Sounds well worth the dosh to me.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 04:21 AM

a weekend of tuition and master classes, with some fine tutors

Sounds about as far away from any sort of Folk I've ever known in my lifetime - or want to know for that matter.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 04:42 PM

Suibhne Astray, would you care to elaborate?

Martin Carthy, Jon Boden, Nancy Kerr? Far away from folk? Erm, maybe you can elaborate...

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 04:59 PM

I love those people dearly but I wouldn't pay for the priviledge of being schooled by them; we're all self-taught & learn by our mistakes anyway, which is a life's work. If I need that sort of guidance I go back to the Old Singers, and the example of some revival ones too, and a world of great voices from other music the world o'er. When I say 'far away from folk' I mean far away from the simple joy of roaring choruses, fags and beer that shaped the voices of generations of great singers. That and the fact that in these times of sharp recession £80 suddenly seems like a lot of money...

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suegorgeous
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:54 PM

Sorry, Guest above on 17 July was me. Dunno who next Guest was! :)

Ummm, not sure I really want my voice "shaped by roaring, fags and beer"!!!

Different strokes (and folk) for different folks, I guess.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: stallion
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 04:22 AM

Yes, Horses for courses! we are all different but lines are drawn across the genre. Whilst some of those lines annoy the hell out of me, others less so I do respect the views held by those even if a am opposed to them. For example, I am of the opinion that one shouldn't read from a book but learn the song however if the choice is between singing the songs and not singing them then what the hell (so long as the book isn't rammed down my throat!). Some of us have been fortunate to spend a lot of time with first class musicians and singers and it does rub off, those that haven't would feel more comfortable attending events such as mentioned in this thread. I am not so arrogant as to think that I wouldn't benefit myself from such events it is just that I am quite comfortable with where I am at and I am enjoying myself, and, I do have to weigh up the cost benefit I do not have bottom less supply of cash. So children, stop bickering about semantics and if anyone attends this event I would like to hear a full and positive account of the experience in this thread, share it with those who were put off by the cash aspect, loking forward to it
Peter

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 04:27 AM

Just speaking from personal experience, largely centred on certain folk clubs in the North East of England throughout the 70s / 80s / 90s - the irony being that I missed the fabled Boden Years at the Colpitts in Durham because I was giving up smoking. Absenting myself from Folk Clubs make this easier even though we were living in Durham at the time. Even when we returned (around 2005 when the Durham club had been forced to relocate on account of the Sam Smiths Issue) the pub wasn't entirely non-smoking, though the club room was... Still the beer, still the roaring choruses in which to fine-tune ones sense of harmony. Indeed, my experience of folk is of people finding their own voices through the communal medium of folk clubs. I guess I was just about old enough / young enough for this to be practicable. I've known some some great voices in my time, young & old, singers & storytellers, and all of them perfectly natural, which is the essence of the thing for me. But as you say - different strokes, etc.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 07:19 AM

Just to let those of you who may be interested in the Soundpost weekend, there are apparently only 6 tickets left, so book quickly!

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: GUEST,Guest Again
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM

I am told that the Yorkshire Traditional Song Weekend, 16-18 September, which costs £40 by the way, has a few spaces left for anyone who might be interested.

Contact details and fuller details are somewhere on this thread, in and amongst the personal bits.

Subject: RE: York Trad Singing Weekend - Sept 2011
From: My guru always said
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 04:29 AM

Good to hear about both these events, even if they have been a little, intermingled...

Sadly cannot attend either, though the workshop weekend wouldn't be my choice. Am sure that everyone will enjoy both events!