BS: List the reasons people disagree

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 10:09 AM

No not for the sake of it!!! Never!!

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 01:17 PM

Perish the thought!

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: autolycus
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 03:30 PM

"I really think that you are over analyzing this."

I'm not seeking to get to the absolute bottom. I think simply that it's useful to be bearing in mind possible reasons for disagreements. If nothing else, such a stance is a way out of arguments that just seem to go round in circles or get repeated ad nauseum.

So the thread was a provocation to others to think a bit about what might really be going on.

"How will you know you are not being toyed with? "

Somewtimes difficult to tell. Each of us has to decide if and when that's happening. At least some trolls get identified reasonably quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Elmore
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 04:20 PM

I disagree only when my wife tells me to disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 05:38 PM

"So the thread was a provocation to others to think a bit about what might really be going on."

Are you sure you want to be bringing up psychology then? I don't think I have ever seen a thread when an individual's psychological motivations were mentions that did not increase the intensity of the quarrel.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: autolycus
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 01:36 AM

As a therapist [rtd.], the psychological side is interesting to me, is highly potent, and may well be behind many disagreements.

All I mean is, just bear in mind the possibility that what may be behind your disagreement is that some involved may have a psychological block [or an 'interest=to=defend' block] which common sense reasonable discourse may be unable to deal with.

For example, see Cognitive Dissonance on Wiki.

Thus what's soooo obvious to one may not get on the dial of another.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 01:53 PM

M:   Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A:   I told you once.
M:   No you haven't.
A:   Yes I have.
M:   When?
A:    Just now.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A:   I did!
M: You didn't!
A:   I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A:   Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A:   Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A:   Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A:   Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A:   Yes it is.
M:   No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A:   No it isn't.
M: It is!
A:   It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A:   I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A:   No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A:   Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A:   No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A:   It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A:   No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A:   Yes it is!

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: autolycus
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 02:59 PM

Classic Python.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: GUEST,guest donuel
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 04:18 PM

Same reason as all disagreements.
Two or more people see the same situation from two distinctly different points of view/profit/advantage/convenience/benefit.

Subject: RE: BS: List the reasons people disagree
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 04:58 PM

A Poet and a Philosopher