BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?

Subject: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:47 PM

'Woolly mammoth' caught on video in Siberia

An astonishing video shot by a Russian engineer appears to show a hairy elephant-sized animal wading through a river in the wilds of Siberia.

Just like the ice-age creature, the beast in the images has a red hairy coat and clearly-visible giant tusks.
With its trunk swinging from side to side, the creature's coat would match samples of preserved mammoth hair dug up from permafrost in frozen Russia.

The incredible footage was filmed by a government-employed engineer last summer in the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug region of Siberia. He was in the area to survey for a planned road.

Releasing the footage anonymously for the first time, the Russian national said he wanted to draw attention to the fact that woolly mammoths still exist in the vast unexplored wastes of Siberia.
Woolly mammoths roamed the Earth 10,000 years ago during the last Ice Age, although scientists believe the last of the animals died out 3,500 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/weirdnewsvideo/9071531/Woolly-mammoth-caught-on-video-in-Siberia.html

Hoax?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:52 PM

Other reckon it's a bear catching a fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:16 PM

Doesn't look hairy or red to ME. Looks like an elephant.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:21 PM

It looks exactly like an elephant.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:37 PM

Plausible, I think

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:40 PM

It's definitely elephant-shaped, but too far away to be able to say it's a mammoth. It could even be a spoof! (Two men in a plastic inflatable elephant, like some of the Loch Ness monster pictures)

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:40 PM

Looks like a bear with something in its mouth to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:46 PM

I can see why someone thought it was a mammoth - but there should be a herd of them. And tusks.

I go along with the bear interpretation - in the middle of the film that becomes quite obvious.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:47 PM

Alas, don't think so either.

But, as someone else posted, if it were a mammoth someone would have shot it then and there.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:50 PM

It's a bear wit yer salmon. The "snout" wouldn't be that colour if it was a wooly snout. Unless that there is the extremely rare siver snout wooly which was thought to be extinct... until now. I say they should have shot it to confirm it was almost extinct.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 04:52 PM

Of course it's a mammoth. What surprises me is that none of you noticed the T. Rex in the background.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 05:05 PM

Silver snout wooly, of course. But, you all knew that even with my ypto.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:12 PM

It's an Alaskan Brown Bear with a Salmon in it's mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:25 PM

Nice fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:36 PM

Pathetic.

The way that supposed tusk is flapping about, the poor bugger would need some serious dental work.

Grizzly + Salmon + video camera = Idiot Telegraph Editor with egg all over his face.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 09:02 PM

I suspect that it's rare video footage of a large salmon with a wooly mammoth in its mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 10:03 PM

If you examine closely, you might note that the "bow wave" where the water meets the "animal's" legs translates without change as the animal "walks" across the stream. Some attempt may have been made to simulate a ripple, but it's poorly executed.

There are other clues easily spotted by experienced photoshoppers, one prominent one of which is the nearly uniform "blur" throughout the entire field of view (frequently used to obscure touchup artifacts). Nearly all video cameras approximating the apparent quality of the one we're supposed to believe do have some "autofocus" capability, and it's good enough in even the most primitive of cameras that there should have been some part of the images in focus, or very nearly so, even if other parts were "out of the depth" of the lens. Even if "locked" to a fixed focus (which can be done only with cameras that should still have taken better images), there should have been some variation in how far out of focus the parts of the image are, since the relative distances to features in the picture span a very long range.

One reporter identified the most amazing thing about the film as where on earth did he get a camera that bad?, which is a valid question, but only if you assume it's not a total hoax.

The person reported to be the one posting the video is well known for previous hoaxes, as well.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: ragdall
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 12:30 AM

Looks like a standard Grizzer carrying a flopping salmon.
rags

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Penny S.
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 05:11 AM

He got the camera from the same shop as the one which filmed the big black cat near Stroud.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 05:22 AM

Blurred still in the newspapers looked like a bear with a fish to me.

RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 08:50 AM

Whatever it is, I feel sorry for it. Can you imagine going through life being that blurry?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:26 AM

Like, uh, doesn't anyone here give a sh#t about the fish? Poor little thing minding its own business and SNAP, no more flies, no more little fishies for brunch . . . you people are heartless!

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:40 AM

And why is the video so short? If I had seen a woolly mammoth, I would have used every bit of tape or memory I had. Was the photographer reluctant to delete his videos of Yetis and UFOs?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 05:10 PM

The people whose name is stamped on the photo have pics of them, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 05:34 PM

Ok...I just watched it twice again, and it DOES look more like a bear each time...and the 'trunk' sure does wiggle strangely......and I have NO idea where anyone thinks they see tusks.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 06:53 PM

The video bears the words "Siberian Mammoth Copyright Michael Cohen, Barcroft Media"

I googled "Michael Cohen Barcroft Media" (without quotes) and I found this at http://ufoupdateslist.com/2011/oct/m22-003.shtml:

"...Michael Cohen and his website allnewsweb.com have for several years now passed off lame, hoaxed videos and related reports and pictures on his site regarding UFOs and "aliens" with nary a critical or objective evaluation...."

With reference to a different video of an alleged "alien," the writer questions Cohen's right to put a copyright notice on the video, when Cohen claims that he didn't create the video himself but that someone "leaked" it to him.

The writer also says that Cohen "brings disrepute to legitimate ufology."

'Nuff said?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:57 PM

Probably not even Siberia.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: frogprince
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 10:13 PM

How many photos have you seen of Noah's ark where it's still embedded in the ice on Ararat? The first one I saw could have been a grease smudge on almost any surface, or a shapeless shadow on a wall, badly out of focus; it made this mammoth picture look like proof positive.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Klumper
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 11:01 PM

It's Yogi Bear craftily disguised as an elephant to fool Salmon
into thinking he's only a harmless herbivore come down to the water for a wallow and a drink.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 09:53 AM

I still suspect it's two men in a plastic elephant suit!

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 10:08 AM

Seriously though, I've just watched it again, and now I can see it's obviously a bear. The 'tusk' is drooping down 'cos it's a fish!

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: meself
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 11:07 AM

Sorry - it's a mammoth in a rubber bear suit.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 11:09 AM

OK, I can see that it looks like a bear with something in its mouth now that you say so, but it sure looks like an elephant if you think that first!

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 11:18 AM

That is Micca with his clothes off. He is wadin' across the Tay at a narrow spot around noon and is carryin' a large fish. It's a wonder he did not get arrested for indecent exposure.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 12:40 PM

LOL! Ever been in Dundee in February Chong? Anyone 'wading across the Tay' indecently exposed would immediately be indecently froze!

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 12:43 PM

Sorry, meant 'Chongo'. (Perhaps 'Chong' is a new Chinese species of Chimp. Maybe China is giving a pair of 'Chong' chimps to Dundee Zoo for breeding purposes?)

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 12:43 PM

If it's Micca, why are you so sure it's a fish?(!).

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 01:08 PM

Well, it looks like a fish to me, Pete.

Eliza, what I am thinkin' is that the video was taken last summertime, and got released to public scrutiny later. It's definitely Micca. My guess is, he stole a big fish from the local fresh seafood store and then he made his stealthy escape by wadin' across a real narrow part of the estuary. He probably figgered that people would take him for some kind of wild animal and he'd get away with it.

And you see? They did! His nefarious plan worked like a charm.

The fish has no doubt been et by now, so I figger it's all water under the bridge, and can't nothin' be done about it.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 01:34 PM

Chongo, it's water under the bear--no volunteering allowed.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 07:34 PM

A woman turned up at my gig last week and she'd seen the Beast of Bockhampton.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 07:38 PM

the beast of Bockhampton

http://www.thisisdorset.net/news/4860385.Beast_of_Bockhampton___new_big_cat_mystery_in_Dorset/

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 07:59 PM

Mammoth? Tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 09:44 PM

I have seen panthers here in Kent County, New Brunswick, Canada where they apparently do/did not exist according to the governement biologists. Saw Eastern Brush Wolves too... same deal. Saw ptarmigan and the biologists KNOW there are none of them this far south. But they taste good over an imaginary fire. Hey, the wardens can't charge ya if they don't exist, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: alanabit
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 04:32 PM

It is a bear with a salmon trying to get away from the man from John West .

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:39 AM

Does anyone remember that story about some prisoners in one of Stalin's siberian gulags, who cam across the the body of a mammoth preserved perfectly for million years until the movement of a glacier uncovered it? The poor prisoners were so hungry that they ate the frozen meat.

Might have been in Solzhenitsyn. can't remember.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were still mammoths?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:42 AM

I think it would be nice to see some photos of the Yeti.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 07:39 AM

Big Al is that the same person who saw and photographed the Beast of Bodmin I wonder? It would be nice if there were still mammoths hidden away somewhere then perhaps the film producers could finally bring the Ice Age sequels to an end.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:01 PM

It didn't take long for the truth to come out:

Woolly mammoth video a hoax, original footage shows says CBS News.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:30 PM

gnu, range extension is one thing, coming back from the Paleocene is quite another.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 01:38 PM

"I think it would be nice to see some photos of the Yeti."

Actually we DO have some pictures of Spaw around here somewhere.....

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 02:33 PM

well its not conclusive. he only said HE hadn't seen one. It might still be a mammoth. I hope it it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 02:42 PM

I hope the photographer will invest in a few more filters because the fog filter sure makes the details of the creature hard to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 02:50 PM

DD... yup. Dunno why I said that but I ain't gonna read back to find out my post was stunned as me arse.

As for the hoax link above, don't bother watching it. It's over 4 min of watching a river flowing... no bear. Of course, I skipped forward a few times on accounta I couldn't understand why I had not seen a bear yet. Is there actually a bear in that clip?

Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 11:19 PM

bear-ly recognisable........