BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)

Subject: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join now!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 06:51 PM

On Monday, the president's reelection team will unveil a trio of Web sites dedicated to providing supporters with information on the president's record — and more than a little dirt on his Republican rivals. The campaign has named it Obama's "Truth Team," and the goal is to arm millions of surrogates with the facts, figures and talking points they need to engage in ground-level political combat — on their Twitter and Facebook feeds and in old-fashioned conversations with friends and neighbors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-truth-team-aims-to-network-its-way-to-a-reelection-win/2012/02/10/gIQAGs5u9Q_story

I think I have a general idea how this is supposed to work--Obama will tell the truth about his record and that will get him re-elected. And we're supposed to help him spread the word. So...with the new NDAA law Obama can disappear your ass if you sass him. Got it? You will be freakin skinned alive if you don't go along with his wars and the gutting of the economy. And after he's been cheated into a second term you will zip your lips when he gives your pension funds to the big banks. There will be lots of jobs for energetic young people who are willing to break your bones in exchange uniforms and drugs (drugs provided by Eric Holder, uniforms to be drawn from leftover brown and black shirt stocks).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 07:07 PM

Did Obama start the wars? the financial crises?

Don't bother to answer. I won't be around to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 07:44 PM

No, Obama has no wars to his credit. His cruise missile bombing of Libya was actually begun under George W. Bush. And his drone bombings of civilians in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan and other places aren't acts of war, as the Republicans may claim. Those are acts of hope and change.

And don't let anyone say that Obama's "stimulus" was in reality part 2 of Bush's "bailout." Sure the money went to the same banks, but one was called a stimulous and one was called a bailout. Totally different things.

Go Truth Team!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:01 PM

Do Not Feed Trolls

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:21 PM

So you're not going to do your bit for Obama, Bobert? He's got a super PAC funding him with untold billions now, but he's asking for 2 million unpaid volunteers to serve on his Truth Teams. Step up to the plate, Obama boy. Either you're for him or against him.

Go Truth Team!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:24 PM

No, wrongman, I'm not going to get sucked into your hate & insanity...

But thanks for the offer...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:51 PM

Yeah, Obama's fighting the good fight. The bad ol' congress just okayed 30,000 drone aircraft in the skies of the U.S. by 2020, but Obama says he's got the program on a "tight leash." He's making sure a huge number of people don't get killed by drones overseas, so we're good to go on the U.S. drones. And besides, it's that Republican congress that forced them on him. Or no, the minority in that congress forced him. Something like that. All I know it's the fault of the Republicans. Obama will make sure a "huge number" of us don't get killed by the drones.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:51 PM

Go Truth Team!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 09:04 PM

I find 'Truth Teams' a bit romantic. However, despite Obama signing away habeas corpus--with the promise he would never use it of course--I don't think a discussion of the use of media in politics is trolling. Obama may be the second coming to lots of people, but he's not sacrosanct.

He did something similar in the first election with the internet. And I think the Republicans would do the same if they could find someone to write coherent thoughts.

Ask Obama's 'Truth Teams' about FEMA camps in North America. Ask Obama exactly who gives orders to HS. Ask Obama why ICE has been harassing American citizens. The fact anyone likes a candidate is not reason enough for everyone else to shut up about that candidate. IMO.

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From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 09:25 PM

Hey Wronger, did you sign on as a bone breaker? You've obviously drawn your drug ration.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: John P
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:07 PM

I agree that Obama has things in his record that need looking at, and that discussion of his record is a good thing. But that's not what Songwronger is doing, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:12 PM

I'm just gonna stand over here with Bobert.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:35 PM

"But that's not what Songwronger is doing, is it?"

Fair question. So I'll ask.

Songwronger, ya wanna answer the man?

############################


As a btw, my post of 15 Feb 12 - 09:04 PM stands.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: number 6
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:40 PM

and I stand right beside Monsieur 999 on this one.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 11:52 PM

Yes, let's discuss his record. Obama's Truth will defeat all arguments. Fortunately his backers have funded three websites to get the ball rolling, so I guess I should report in there for my talking points.

Let's see what AttackWatch.com has to say.

Deep-pocketed GOP attack machine fuels negative campaign tactics

Hmm. Obama announced he'd spend a billion before the race even started, and now he has a super PAC backing him, so I'll need to read that article to learn how to counter the "big money" charge.

Mitt Romney downplays our economic recovery

Damn. We're in an economic recovery? Son of a bitch Romney never said anything about it. Sic 'im Obama! Oh, wait a minute. The website has cut and paste answers for me. Cool.

Romney said, "He's (Obama's) been trying to take a bow for 8.3 percent unemployment. Not so fast, Mr. President ... We welcome any good news on the jobs front, but it is thanks to the innovation of the American people in the private sector, not to you."

The Truth Team response is: Far from taking "a bow," President Obama has been clear about the fact that we still have a long road ahead of us. When President Obama took office in January 2009, we were shedding nearly 800,000 jobs a month. His immediate, decisive action to stop the bleeding reversed the trend. We've now seen 23 straight months of private-sector job growth, creating a total of 3.7 million jobs.

I could have sworn unemployment was over 20%. The numbers don't even take into account the folks who've quit looking for jobs. If I didn't know better, I'd think Romney and Obama were sparring over a non-fact. But it's not my job to think on the Truth Team. I'm supposed to present Obama's Truth.

What else? One of Romney's people said, "The Navy has only 285 ships today, the fewest since World War I, and it is straining to uphold its unique global responsibilities. Our Air Force has only 39 fighter squadrons, fewer than half the number it had two decades ago."

The Truth Team response is: The problem with Bolton and Romney's claims that the Air Force and Navy are weaker than they've been in decades: they're outright lies.

Some numbers would be nice, but if they press me on that I'll just mention skin color. That and all the drones that Obama's building. 30,000 just for America, to protect us from...something.

Then there's this. "Americans for Prosperity, a group funded by the billionaire oil executive Koch brothers, is spending $6 million on a television ad attacking the Obama administration's perceived relationship with clean-energy manufacturer Solyndra."

The Truth Team response is: This type of baseless attack is nothing new for the Koch brothers. But it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

There. Take that you Koch people. Obama told YOU!

Ah, a good headline. Romney and Limbaugh ignore the President's record with "anti-business" attacks

The Truth Team response: President Obama's record shows that he's focused on building an economy that will last.

Damn straight. Haliburton and the Department of Defense are hiring Internment and Relocation Specialists. Jobs with FUTURES. Limbaugh should get out more.

So I don't even have to type actual responses to those buttheads that say Obama's doing a bad job. Just cut and paste. Obama's the MAN! Politics made easy. Don't even have to think about this shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 12:02 AM

Hail to the Troll King

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 12:06 AM

the best Troll food:

Don't read the drivel, just post links to stuff that will piss them off. Like this...


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-good-economic-news-brightens-obama-election-prospects-171421056.html

Suck It!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 12:13 AM

YOU have GOT to be kidding me. There are legitimate things to make Obama answer for. I'd sooner drink liquid shit than use Attack Watch as a source for a political argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 12:07 AM

Why are you people wastin' yer energy tryin' to prove that Tweedledee (Obama) is better (or worse) than Tweedledum (any Republican stooge who aims to become president). You will get the same basic thing whichever one of them you vote into office.


You will get:

More American wars on Muslim nations who are no threat to America at all.
Stealth bombers.
Attack drones (lots of 'em!).
Assassinations of foreign people.
Bank bailouts.
Unconstitutional removal of your once enshrined civil rights.
More corporate oligarchy, less small business.
A growing surveillance (police) state.
A bigger and bigger national debt.
A weaker dollar.
A poorer main street.
A dwindling middle class.
Your jobs sent to China.

If Obama wins, you lose!
If the Republicans win, you lose!

Wake up for once and smell the decaying corpse of your onetime republic.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 12:29 AM

And your wise and practical suggestion is.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 01:48 AM

Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom....
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/
Troll food.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 05:51 AM

Chongo is absolutely correct.
All you people like Tia who refuse to engage in debate remind me of the three monkeys who refused to see, hear, or or speak about evil.

I find it so strange how easily you fall into this mode....anything which is perceived as against your ideology is proscribed.

"Dont feed the trolls" is such a defeatist statement......as I have been saying for a long time, it is Orwellian in concept.
It was even more evident on the "gay" threads when debate was stifled by crys of "dont debate with this person", dont read what he writes etc"

Really sad to see decent people herded into that corner.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 08:41 AM

My suggestion? Keep a clean nose, stay outta debt, and watch yer back. Move to some other country if at all possible. Those are the same suggestions I'd have given a German or an Italian in 1937. There is no practical solution through your presently ruling political oligarchy.

- Chongo

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 10:21 AM

I have at least one small suggestion of a significant thing any American can do to retain some semblance of sanity, morality, and responsibility in your Congress. Help get Dennis Kucinich re-elected by making a donation to his campaign.

I quote the following email endorsement of Dennis Kucinich by Gore Vidal:

Dennis Kucinich was a voice of sanity after 9/11, cautioning against lashing out at the world. He led the effort in Congress opposing George Bush's Iraq War. His October 2002 analysis of the call for war against Iraq stands today as a statement of clarity of vision and courage which, if heeded, would have spared the lives of US soldiers and Iraqi citizens alike. His was a relentless challenge to the rationale for the war and a call for accountability for those who lied to drag us into the war. You may remember that it was Kucinich who led the effort to try to impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney for their fabrications, prevarications, and other misstatements. When others were promising 'permanent war for permanent peace' Kucinich was the one who pointed out the idiocy and the hypocrisy.

In the past decade, Kucinich opposed not only the war in Iraq, he voted against every single funding bill for war, whether Iraq or Afghanistan. It was Kucinich who again rose up to create a rare bipartisan coalition to thwart the war against Libya for a time. As the fundamentalists now take hold there, once again the question arises, why did we go into Libya? What was that really about?

Today, the neocons again are attempting to rush America into a war against Iran. It was Kucinich who took to the floor of the House in debate to knock down again and again the false claims that were being made to try to justify sanctions which could lead to still another war.

I am writing to urge your financial support for the re-election campaign of Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who has been our nation's most consistent voice for peace, economic and social justice. Months ago, Congressman Kucinich's district was dramatically altered by the Republican state legislature and the primary election is in only 19 days with mail-in balloting well underway. As a result, he is facing a highly competitive primary with a majority of new territory.This champion of peace obviously cannot rely on war profiteers for funds necessary to gain re-election. He must rely on those of us who are peace profiteers, our friends and family, to be his support and his voice as he has been ours over the past decade and more.

I urge you today to go to www.kucinich.us/donate and contribute to Dennis Kucinich's re-election. We must protect Congress' most consistent, most courageous voice for peace and for civil liberties which peace protects. Please contribute generously to his reelection. Please help preserve his voice, his vote in the United States Congress.

Thank you,

Gore Vidal

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 12:23 PM

"Dont feed the trolls" is such a defeatist statement."

Oh sure.... and all those theories and accusations and conspiracies the trolls toss out? We are supposed to spend half our lives answering them all?
It is way easier to make trollish claims than to demonstrate the flaws in them. It takes MUCH longer to disprove stupid assertaions than to make them........a fact which is not lost on the Republicans these days. Distortions, personal attacks, made up data, sneaky insinuations, faked videos...etc.... all aimed at the gullible who don't have the time or intelligence to debate or check for reason and accuracy.

Sorry, ake... but "Don't feed the trolls" is a better defense. *IF* any of their assertions are vaguely true, there are experts being paid to check it all out....and if it is important, it will be noted.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 06:05 PM

I dont perceive songwronger as a "stupid" person Bill and I dont consider myself "stupid", yet we have been designated trolls by people who are manifestly more "stupid" than we are.

I dont think there are many trolls on this forum, unless you include as trolls those who cleave to the ideology of one particular political party in the face of reasoned objective debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 06:11 PM

Wow, you really see the opening of this thread as "reasoned objective debate"? Really?
Again, wow.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 06:33 PM

"stupid" assertions can be made by smart people with an agenda. Perhaps "stupid" was the wrong term... try invalid, deceptive, erroneous...etc.

I see claims & accusations made that are patently false & misleading..... but what I am never sure of is whether the trollish one KNOWS he is being inaccurate, or has managed to lie to himself about the issue in order to further a position- which is 'willful ignorance'....or is indeed stupid.

There are all sorts of areas where we can simply disagree about 'relevant' facts, or if facts are agreed on, about how to alter the situation... but these days there seem to be more half-truths, outright lies and sneaky implications than I remember in past election years..(and I remember back to Eisenhower/Stephenson)


If I was 50 years younger, I'd consider a PhD and career in studying "what ARE the differences in how people think?" genetics? peer pressure? culture? There sure are some who don't bother to get a handle on the facts and logic before yammering about answers!

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From: number 6
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 07:49 PM

Whew Bill D .....you sound just like Bill O'Reilly on that last post. Almost word for word.

ok .... I'm outta here

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 08:16 PM

""He did something similar in the first election with the internet. And I think the Republicans would do the same if they could find someone to write coherent thoughts.""

They would first have to find somebody who could get his knuckles off the ground and write, then instal a few brain cells.

I wonder why it is that the malice and lack of respect for truth of posters like the OP are always in direct proportion to the speed with which Akenaton arrives to support them?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 08:27 PM

Looks like Troll A has picked up some ObamaHateBrigade "Classless and free" trolls to help peddle/paddle the Hate Canoe...

((((((((yawn))))))))))

Like Bill asks, "And your ideas"...

The silence is deafening...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 12:44 AM

"They would first have to find somebody who could get his knuckles off the ground and write"

Chongo!

"then instal a few brain cells."

Chongo again!!! He has more than a few brain cells, in fact.

Beats the hell out of me why you poor sods don't give up on the Big Two phony parties that have you hypnotized and lobotomized and get out there and support Chongo and the APP. ;-)

Here's a tip: As long as the mighty imperial $ySStem that really runs your country can keep you battling each other in a futile divide over the utterly illusory choice between voting for a corporate-backed Democrat or a corporate-backed Republican...it will have you right where it wants you. Helpless and in its pocket.

It will use primitive trigger point issues to divide you against one another and thereby keep you mesmerized in the partisan game. Gay rights. Abortion. Creationism versus Darwinism. Fear of socialism. Religion versus atheism. Fear of being called "unpatriotic" for not supporting a fascist war of unilateral aggression by the USA. Fear of "terrorism", when the biggest terrorists are really your own armed forces (albeit they don't realize they are terrorists...the soldiers are acting in good faith, but they're being cynically used by your corporate leaders).

And you keep falling for it, don't you? Whether you are a Democrat OR a Republican. The Democrats and Republicans are ONE party. And you don't get that. The people in those parties mostly don't get it either, they are completely lost in the drama, but the people at the very top of the corporate food chain DO get it, and they play you for fools...and laugh all the way to the bank. For those guys, Obama works fine...Romney would work fine...Gingrich would work fine...Biden would work fine...Hillary Clinton would work fine...Bush worked fine...they don't care! Any one of those guys (including Hillary) will do. Those guys are just figureheads anyway, though Obama is a very smart figurehead, that's for sure.

Your presidential elections are a joke. But not a funny joke. And they are the longest and most costly electoral soap opera in the history of the western world...or rather, of the entire world.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:27 AM

But those not in a party or without massive funds have no voice in the system. The Tea Potty had to hijack the Repuglicans to gain representation. They did it only with the support of fascistic billionaires.

There is no equivalent power on the left. The Occupy movement, noble as it is, has not got the money to provide propaganda as the Tea Potty did.

LH - can you propose a less bad solution?

Akenaton - can you or do you propose any solution at all other than interning and exterminating all homosexuals and gypsies?

In the absence of an actual different choice, the only option is to support the lesser of two weevils.   


I believe the US system can be greatly improved -

1. Reverse Citizens United and make all party funding totally transparent and required to be from US only.

2. Make lobbying paid for by anyone other than the lobbyist personally a crime. A register of lobby gifts - or better a total ban on lobby gifts.

3. Reform campaign finance. Best system probably a cap on campaign spending, or central funding by the state paid for out of general taxation only.

4. Adopt the UK "long title" rule - amendments and additions to Bills are out of order unless within the purpose as fairly set out in the long title.

5. Reform the filibuster. Speeches should be out of order unless on topic and a guillotine should be the subject only of ordinary majority rules.

6. Something akin to the Salibury convention and/or the finance bill rule and/or the Parliament Acts from the UK. Yes, our Parliament Acts are flawed as tehy permit the dictatorship of the majority, but that is better than permitting the veto of the minority.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:35 AM

The Dept of HS has a budget for 2012 of 40 billion dollars. Ask Obama's "Truth Team" why.

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From: saulgoldie
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 09:08 AM

Most folks who have achieved any level of power have lied or deceived or taken actions that hurt someone at some time on some level. Idealists are very seldom in leadership positions where they can actually make change.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 10:49 AM

I very much agree with your suggestions for reforming the American political system, Richard. They are well thought out.

What I don't see, though, is how the people presently in power and thereby benefiting from the way things are now will be persuaded to enact those changes. It's not in their own selfish interest to do so. It's in the public's interest...but the public doesn't control the government! The people the public elected control the government, and if 98% of them are basically in favor of maintaining the status quo because they profit from it...then the public can't do a thing about it.

This is exactly the problem in almost any well-entrenched power system.

A really corrupt system generally either falls...or changes...in the wake of some catastrophe which shocks the public into demanding fundamental change. This has happened to past systems when they:

1. lost a major war
2. experienced an almost complete financial collapse
3. or...possibly...were brought down by immense natural disasters (there may have been cases of that in the past)
4. or in the wake of some incredible scandal at a very high level
5. or sometimes...there's just a slow, gradual decline and erosion of power, and it could take as long as a century for that to happen

And I expect that some of the above things will eventually cause the USA system to either change. Or perish.

There was an opportunity in 2008 to early 2009 for Obama to bring about immense change in the USA in reaction to the financial meltdown. He could have mobilized plenty enough public support to radically improve the American system in a progressive manner. He did not sieze that opportunity, and the moment passed. It had to be done then, and done quickly. It has not been done at all...in fact things are getting significantly worse in some respects (in the area of abrogating civil liberties, human rights, and basic freedoms). Bush couldn't have gotten away with it, because people on the left would have raised hell about it. Obama can get away with it, because most of those same people on the left choose to look the other way, make excuses for him or remain silent. That is their great error. They think he's their man. They are wrong.


Only a true idealist will stand up against a corrupted political system and call for a change. Dennis Kucinich is one such, but he's only one man. pdq (who I gather is a Republican supporter) refers to Dennis Kucinich as being "irrelevant". It's that sort of contemptuous dismissal that a few genuine idealists are met with when they try to change a decadent system. I don't see much hope of the USA system being reformed in the manner you suggest...but I do agree that such reforms are very badly needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 11:28 AM

Richard....I take it that your remark about "interning and exterminating" was some sort of weird legal joke?

or are you just a devious liar?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 11:51 AM

He wants you to be the antisocial monster he wishes you were, Akenaton. ;-) If it were really so, then he'd be morally "better" than you, and knowing it would give his ego a flush of pleasure that would rise rapidly from his toes to the top of his head. You'd be "smaller", he'd be "larger".

It is this very desire to be seen as "superior" to the person one is arguing with that causes so many people to drift from honest debate into personal insults and gross character assassination. You see politicians doing it all the time to one another.

I wouldn't say he's a liar. He's just getting lost in some emotionally charged rhetoric, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 12:36 PM

Why does Obama's 'Truth Team' sound like something from 1984?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: pdq
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 12:49 PM

Orwell's "Ministry of Truth" has been changed to Obama's "Truth Team"...only the name has been changed to protect the guilty.

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From: number 6
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 01:18 PM

"the truth" .... an over used word these days, especially by politicians (yes, republicans, democrats, and Stalinists) and mainstream news commentators .... a word that is used to lure the innocent and naive into thinking all is ok, and warm and fuzzy with their side and the other side is all made up of liars spewing out brimstone and hate.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 03:43 PM

Yes, this tactic of depicting the other side as "liars spewing out brimstone and hate" is a very opportunistic and exaggerated habit on people's part, and one that does them no credit. I see it happening a lot on this forum too, just as it does in the public sphere. It's the least intelligent way of dealing with a difference of opinion...short of death threats and physical violence, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 03:50 PM

""a word that is used to lure the innocent and naive into thinking all is ok, and warm and fuzzy with their side and the other side is all made up of liars spewing out brimstone and hate.""

Not a particularly good point to argue 6, since at the moment only one side is consistently lying and spewing out brimstone and hate.

The side, moreover that is using every dirty trick in the book to prevent Obama's government from achieving any change whatsoever.

I don't subscribe to LH's view that both sides are equally matched as regards dishonesty and corruption, since it is patently obvious that the Republicans are deliberately hamstringing the Democrat majority, without giving a shit about the damage to their native country.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 03:51 PM

And I bloody hate HTML

DT

[guessed at what you intended- clone]

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From: GUEST,songbob
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:12 PM

Republicans 2012:

Keeping millions out of work
To deprive one man of his job.

Some say this is close to treason, but others say it's their only chance.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: number 6
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:33 PM

DonWzzzyzzzg ..... "Not a particularly good point to argue 6, since at the moment only one side is consistently lying and spewing out brimstone and hate."

Yeah ..... well, it always the other side isn't it ..... but when you really look at it .... right now in the U.S. there is only 1 side, no real difinitive difference between the 2 parties bucking for the power seat .... it's a perception, an illusion that there are 2 sides to make a choice, that one is all wrong and the other is all right.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:55 PM

We're gonna' have to vote for Obama because you don't want Santorum, Romney or any Re-uglican picking members of the Supreme Court.

The answer lies not in the voting booth but on the streets by local groups maintaining protests against the war-mongering, financialcorruption and oligarchy of the candidates.

Non-co-operation is the way to go. Boycotts, protests, non-violent activism,
and most important, really getting the information that you need to have to make
informed judgements. This means ignoring major media outlets and going to alternative sources in media.

The time has come not to trust elected representatives to make decisions for you regardless of their political affiliation.

Obama is a mixed bag. He's done some good things and some very bad things but this is true of most presidents and the only way to push him to do the right things is to
support groups like Occupy and alternative sources to the status quo.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:58 PM

"The Dept of HS has a budget for 2012 of 40 billion dollars. Ask Obama's "Truth Team" why. "

Because on creation they took over most of the most critical duties and responsibilities of 19 other different agencies including the Coast Guard, FBI and TSA?
Because protecting a country as big as this with the number of enemies it has accumulated over the years, the amount of coastline and number of immigrants it welcomes every year, takes a lot of resources?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 05:22 PM

Ah the Truth Team

George Orwell would have loved it !

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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 05:38 PM

""Because protecting a country as big as this with the number of enemies it has accumulated over the years....""

Especially when the majority of those enemies are the very people who are trying every dirty underhand trick in the book, in order to become the next government of that country.

Little Hawk and some others may believe there is little difference, but most of the rest of the world remember the difference in body counts between Democrat Clinton, and Warmongering Republican Bush.

Obama isn't to blame for Afghanistan and has been left in a no win situation, damned if he pulls out and equally damned if he doesn't.

Looked at from where we are (not relying on Faux News for information), Obama is a man trying to do the right things against the handicap of a fanatical opposition, determined to prevent the smallest success.

Right now, IMHO, the Republicans are doing more damage to the USA than was caused by the Civil War, and the worst of it is that they don't give a flying f**k, just as long as they get shot of that "Uppity N*****".

A disgraceful situation in the 21st Century.

Don T.