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From: DougR
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 06:04 PM

Sigh.

DougR

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 08:03 PM

I have never asserted that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) are "equally matched as regards dishonesty and corruption"...though they are both past masters at it! ;-) But they're not equally matched. Uh-uh.

The Republicans are usually the worse of the two simply because most of the people who back them have a far less realistic basic social philosophy underpinning their views. They've been sold a bill of goods that sounds like "freedom", but lays the ground for a new form of fascism (one that forms an unholy alliance between corporatism, religious fundamentalism, militarism, and privatization of the public sphere).

The Democrats are usually the better of the two simply because most of the people who back them have a far more realistic basic social philosophy underpinning their views. They've been sold a bill of goods that sounds like "freedom" too, but that lays the ground for a new form of fascism (one that forms an unholy alliance between quasi-liberal political correctness, anti-religious fundamentalism, militarism regardless, and privatization of the public sphere regardless).

You get somewhat different rhetoric from the two...because it has to be tailored to impress a different sector of the public. What you get once they are in office, though, is:

bank bailouts
increased corporate domination
your jobs exported to China
reduction of your civil rights
increased surveillance by shadowy entities like Homeland Security
more illegal wars in foreign countries
more divisive posturing in Congress
more divisive posturing about gays, religion, "socialism", etc.
And so on...

The problem isn't that they are "the same". They're not. The problem is that they serve the same corporate and military interests! And that renders hoo-hah like gay rights and evolution vs creationism as mere irrelevancies to distract you, because the corporations couldn't care less whether or not you believe in God...or are an atheist...or love gays...or hate them. They don't care! But they use those splinter issues to distract and divide you, and they control the parties by financial clout no matter which one wins the election.

If you like the general style of the Democrats better (and I do), then of course you'll prefer them to the Republicans! But don't think that electing them will change basic US policy on fundamental matters like war, law enforcement, trade, and finance. It won't. They'll just bicker over the decorations on the tree, but you'll still get the same old Christmas tree, regardless...underneath those decorations.

If I had to vote for either one of them, it'd be the Democrats. But the Democrats won't save you. (Nor, needless to say, will the Republicans!)

What really worries me is that a new war with Iran may conveniently usher in Obama's 2nd term by depriving the Republicans of their rabid war fever propaganda tactic. I sure as hell hope that doesn't happen. As for the damned Republicans, they (most of them) positively thirst for a war with Iran. Obama could royally screw up their election game by getting into a war with Iran first, but it would be a tragic error of simply gigantic proportions if he did so, in my opinion. It would be like setting the house on fire so your wife won't get the chance to redecorate the rooms in a style and color you don't like!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: number 6
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 10:23 PM

Democrats / Republicans .... if you peel away the brand and outside packaging you'd notice that they are pretty well the same .... it's the brand and packaging what people go for .... You are correct LH in that the corporate/military oligarchy controls both ... they play one brand (style as you call it) against the other, but in the end they call the shots.

Look at what the Democrats have done in the last 4 years, the Republicans would have probably and more than likely passed the same laws especially ones such as the FAA Reauthorization Act, and National Defense Authorization Act ... In regards to the environment there definitely is no difference between the 2 parties e.g. giving the ok to offshore drilling, giving the ok for a new Nuclear Energy power plant .... the Dems and republicans are in the same bed with Wall Street. The division between the rich and poor is widening and regarding the military, there is no difference at all, the wars and war propaganda continues.

There is no difference except style and brand and those who wear the label on their shirts ... the shirts are the same. They are both made off shore in sweat shops.

Well kids .... that's my late nite banter here on the madcat ... and until a new day begins I bid you all adieu

biLL

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 04:56 PM

1) No one really knows who gives DHS their marching orders.
2) Why does FEMA need about 800 prisons or concentration camps and detention centers in the US?

When they're kicking your door down, Jack, give them some of your sarcasm. I'm sure they'll enjoy it. Duh!

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From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 06:25 PM

http://www.squidoo.com/bowlersforobama

~S~

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From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 08:00 PM

Come on, Team, where's the spirit? We got Hope and Change in the White House, but it takes five years to change anything. Barack needs another term, so get out there and Educate people.

And what's with the links, TIA? Don't stray from the script. Your reponses are at AttackWatch.com to just copy and paste. Don't get into specifics. Obama doesn't look so good when he's pinned down with numbers. Give the man the room he needs to do his thing. It's all about Hope and Change, not numbers. And start blaming things on Romney. Barack got all the mileage he could out of Bush, then the "Republican congress" ;-), and now it's time to say that Mitt made him do it.

I'm waiting for AttackWatch to tell me what to say about Ron Paul. That guy is NUTS. He wants to end America's involvement in foreign wars. Can you believe that? He wants to cut income tax to zero percent. Says it'll draw people and industry to the U.S. Can you believe that? No income tax...that would send people FLEEING from the U.S. Bunch of other crazy stuff he wants to do, so I'll be glad when AttackWatch takes time off from building up Mitt Romney to tell me what to do about Ron Paul.

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 08:25 PM

Yo, Songwronger, well said. Except the stuff about Ron Paul. Just because HS has harassed him doesn't make him right. He could be wrong. (I do not think RP is wrong.)

Our real problem now is how do we fix what NO one sees as wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 08:43 PM

Yeah, well Ron Paul is CRAZY. He says America's turning into a fascist state. And he wants to do an audit of Fort Knox, to make sure the gold they claim is there really is. I mean, he's acting PARANOID. We all know the gold is there, and we're DAMN sure not turning into a fascist state. Obama's a socialist. Limbaugh said so.

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 11:19 PM

LOL! Love the satire, guys. ;-) Yup, that Ron Paul must be NUTS! He wants to close American military bases in foreign lands, end USA involvement in foreign wars, end the Federal Reserve Bank (which is a private corporation that prints any amount of worthless money it wants to any time it wants to). SHOCKING! And he wants to bring American troops home and invest in the home economy instead of in massive military spending. EGAD! He's a lunatic!

I note that the corporate media try very hard to ignore Ron Paul completely...or to depict him as a nutcase who can't be taken seriously. That tells me he's got something worthwhile to say, like maybe the truth.

And the same goes for Dennis Kucinich.

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From: number 6
Date: 19 Feb 12 - 11:57 PM

I agree LH .... ending wars, creating a Department of Peace, taking the $billions being spent on the military and investing back into the home economy, ending the federal reserve makes a lot more sense and is more appealing to me than the other alternatives being promoted by the mainstream media.

The real lunatics are the tea baggers and the Obama fanatics who constantly point fingers and accuse one another of being of being this, and being that and resign themselves to believe what the mainstream media tells them. They will go out and vote the way they will vote not realizing that the next 4 years will be the same (regardless if the incumbent is Republican or a Democrat). More than likely the next 4 years will be worse. That is lunacy.   

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: DougR
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 02:16 PM

"Obama's Truth Team." Now there is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

DougR

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From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 04:11 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html

Just to make you crazier...

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From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 04:32 PM

".. like maybe the truth.

And the same goes for Dennis Kucinich."

Like maybe interesting 'ideas' which sound desirable, but simply wouldn't work in practice.

Ah well, we need 'point men' like Paul & Kucinich to define the outer limits.... it helps practical folks to identify what steps might actually accomplish something.

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From: akenaton
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 04:48 PM

The "Practical folks" of all political parties have ruined our economies and our societies by taking capitalism to its logical conclusion.

It is well past time to stop throwing our labour, savings and pensions away on a failed and corrupt system, fronted by con men of all shapes and colours.

As I am always saying, the apologists for the said system are the the real obstruction to change.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 05:04 PM

"Practical folks" of all political parties have ruined our economies and our societies by taking capitalism to its logical conclusion.

Ummm... I don't think the actual practical ones did the ruining. If Obama had not been practical about that nasty 'bail-out', we'd have little or no auto industry today.

...and what IS that "logical conclusion"? Is that better or worse than an 'illogical conclusion'?

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 05:13 PM

The US is no more as a democracy. It will be a totalitarian state by January 20, 2013.

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DougR: I chuckled at your remark. Good one. I'd always seen President Bush as an oxymoron, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Truth Team (join me!)
From: number 6
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 05:45 PM

"If Obama had not been practical about that nasty 'bail-out', we'd have little or no auto industry today."

Almost every person I know (in fact most cars on the road) is driving either a Japanese or a Korean car that is probably) manufactured in either the U.S. or Canada ... the only domestic vehicles driven today are pickup trucks and police cars.

They should not have bailed them out with tax payer's money. GM would have gone down, Chrysler would have survived by foreign investments. It would have been a rather hard bump on the road but the industry would have even itself out.

biLL

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 05:54 PM

Don't scare me like that, 99 (can I call you 99 for short?).
What do you mean, totalitarian state by inauguration day in 2013?
Say it isn't so!!!

-Joe-

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From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 06:07 PM

but the world is ending on Dec.21... what difference does it make?

♫"sing ninety-nine and ninety.."♫

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 11:37 PM

What if it ends instead on December 18th? Then everyone will get caught short, as it were, and 3 shopping days will never get to be! Think of the lost marketing opportunities!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 07:32 AM

"The division between the rich and poor is widening and regarding the military, there is no difference at all, the wars and war propaganda continues.""

There is however the difference that only the Republicans start wars. The Democrats are then left with the nasty job of timing the disengagement, which cannot be done as precipitately and thoughtlessly as starting them was.

Don T.

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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 07:41 AM

""As I am always saying, the apologists for the said system are the the real obstruction to change.""

And as we're always asking,....you brilliant solution is?

Oh I forgot, you don't actually have one. You just want to pull the house down and go live in the garden shed, figuratively speaking.

Don T.

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 08:42 AM

Don, what solution would you have proposed to a progressive-minded German or Italian or Japanese citizen around about 1937 or '38?

Hmmm?

And, yes, it is a very comparable situation. But it's a new form of Fascism. It is Corporatism...a Fascist system which can function quite readily in a phony "multi-party" system. (Hitler's government first came to power in a multi-party system, then took on "emergency powers" after the burning of the Reichstag (think 911) and never revoked those emergency powers...just like the Patriotic Act has never been revoked.

The tools of oppression and surveillance which are available to the new Corporatism are far more sophisticated than those available to the Fascist leaders in the late 30s, while its weapons are beyond anything they could even imagine.

What is your solution?

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As for the Republicans only starting wars: not true. Kennedy and Johnson started the Vietnam War...and Nixon was the guy who finally wound it down! Keneddy allowed the Bay of Pigs to go ahead (but fortunately did not commit support from regular USA forces). Obama intervened in Lybia, put some undercover special forces on the ground there, and is waging covert war in a number of Muslim nations, covert war that is barely spoken of in your media. Both the Democrats AND the Republicans are absolutely up to their ears in covert wars, overt wars, assassinations, and subversion of other governments in many parts of the world, and they have been for a very long time.

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From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 08:48 AM

So, seems that the Republicans running for the White House are in agreement that Iran be given a deadline to meet or else...

"Or else"???

Haven't we seen this movie before??? How'd that one turn out??? Not so good, heh???

B~

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From: akenaton
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 08:52 AM

Oh, I have a solution all right,but you wouldn't like it.
It involves convincing people that the money system is a con and encouraging them to find fulfillment without the need to exploit others or the environment....that the worship of money dulls our appreciation of all that is fine in the human condition.
That politics and war stink, no matter vwho practices them.

The People.
"Most wonderful! With its own hand it ties
And gags itself—gives itself death and war         10
For pence doled out by kings from its own store.
Its own are all things between earth and heaven;
But this it knows not; and if one arise
To tell this truth, it kills him unforgiven.

"Only Republicans start wars"......Oh?

Have we forgotten Mr Blair so soon?
Or Mr Hague?
Or Mrs Thatcher?

I suppose YOU would classify all of the above as democrats.

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 09:07 AM

Right on, Ake. It is the unbridled and corrupt worship of MONEY (not God) that has brought world society to the wretched condition it is now in...and the money isn't even REAL! It's a fiction. It's fiat money created by banks who have pumped trillions of totally insubstantial dollars, pounds, Euros, etc into our economies...creating them out of thin air through the simple procedure of making loans to governments and industry.

The inflation resulting from all this phony money creation means that I can now sell a painting my father bought in 1951 for $80 for.....$8,000 dollars! So the money has basically inflated by a factor of 100 X since 1951, because that painting is intrinsically worth the same as it ever was.

We've been living under a giant pyramid scheme all our lives. Who benefits from it? Bankers and the very rich, that's who.

The amount of government and civil debt generated by all those loans has grown so enormous that no society can afford to pay it...or even to pay the interest charges on it. And STILL the game goes on! And the people who helped created it got a bailout!

That is the kind of outrage that in the not too remote past created things like the French Revolution.

We need to stop doing things for the sake of MONEY and start doing things simply because they are DESPERATELY NEEDED for the common good! That's what I saw happening to a considerable extent in Cuba, to a far greater extent than in my own country, and that's why I love Cuba and will never forget the example I saw set in that society. (And that's why the USA administration hates Cuba and wishes to someday cause regime change there.)

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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 10:02 AM

""Have we forgotten Mr Blair so soon?
Or Mr Hague?
Or Mrs Thatcher?

I suppose YOU would classify all of the above as democrats.""

In case you hadn't noticed I was commenting on US politics, and that should have been obvious to the dullest intellect, since the UK is not a republic and therefore those you mention were not Republican politicians.

I deplore the actions of Blair and his cronies in starting a war.

Mrs Thatcher, however did not. That conflict was started by Argentina invading British territory.

If you ever want to have any credibility you should pay more attention to facts, rather than spouting your malicious nonsense about "liberal conspiracies".

Don T.

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 10:14 AM

Ake's criticism of present day "liberals" is of much the same approach as Phil Ochs' criticism of them was in "Love Me, I'm A Liberal", Don.

Are you familiar with the song?

They are quasi-liberals. They talk the talk, support the fashionable causes, act all righteous...but at the end of the day, as the saying goes, they are relentless supporters of conventionality and "business as usal, through the usual channels". They preserve the ruling status quo. They support the existing power structures. They believe the "liberal" fake politicians in their favorite parties, leaders who pretend to be progressive while working hand in hand with the very forces who oppress the general public, rob us all blind, and launch imperial wars upon populations in Third World nations.

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From: akenaton
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 01:12 PM

Exactly so Little Hawk.....I've never met anyone who was so "in tune" with how I think......maybe we should get married :0) :0)

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From: akenaton
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 01:21 PM

And Don, if ever I go lookin' for "more credibility", I wont be knockin' on your door anytime soon.

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From: akenaton
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 01:40 PM

Liberal, Conservative, Republican, Democrat, Labour, in political terms they all work for the same boss.
Only difference is that the political conservatives know, admit and are proud of their vicious ideology.
The "liberals" are simply weak deluded enablers.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 02:25 PM

Proposing solutions that in literal fact will not happen are little better than no ideas at all.

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From: Songwronger
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 06:56 PM

I have a workable solution. The death penalty for voting fraud. Capital punishment. Fair trial, then if you're guilty, you die.

Think about it. What else do you have in life that's more valuable than the right to live the way you want? That's what voting is all about, self-determination. The most valuable thing there is. And we execute for murder and rape and such, so why not for voting fraud?

If Obama and the corrupt Daley machine fiddle with Illinois again this time around, try them and execute them. Ron Paul's being cheated out of his primary win in Maine. Try and execute the bastards doing that. Gore vs. Bush in 2000. Theft of a presidential election. Execute the members of the Supreme Court who perpetrated that crime.

The U.S. stomps around the world interfering in other country's elections, but we tolerate outright theft on the grandest scale in our own country. Execute when we find voting fraud and voting theft. A few such executions would put a stop to the practice.

How's that for a workable solution?

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From: GUEST,Big G
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 08:58 PM

Media Matters

G

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From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 11:19 PM

"...solutions that in literal fact will not happen" Like I said.

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From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 05:03 AM

Ideas are not "literal fact" and they can be made to happen....with the will.
Last night I watched the Venesualan youth orchestra perform...made up from children from the poorest families....they had been inspired, and more importantly, they inspired hundreds of thousands with their committment.....Away with your defeatist negativity!
Nice to to see you back in the jungle Ebbs....hacking through the undergrowth with your trusty "stiletto" :0)


Anyway, the ideas mooted by the more radical here, are not simply an alternative to global corporate capitalism, they are the only way to ensure the long term survival of humanity.

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From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 01:58 PM

The ignorance of Canadian members of this forum about the auto bailout is astounding.

For one thing Chrysler 300's are made in Canada.
For another, last figures I saw, the US government will make money on GM and nearly break even on Chrysler, so rather than sending market share to Asia and Europe what would be the benefit of allowing them to go down.

Ford actually asked for the other two to be bailed out because they share critical parts suppliers with the other two. Allowing GM and Chrysler to go under would probably have taken an otherwise healthy Ford along that same path.

A million jobs were saved in the US and Canada. A million.

The cost of new cars went down.

Cash for clunkers stimulated the economy when it needed it most and got a lot of gas guzzlers and polluting cars off of the road.

The auto bailout was a very good thing. If you don't believe that you are either ignorant or unaffected by economics. Certainly your interests differ from mine to the point that I would have to classify you as a political opponent, if not enemy.

In this case my political interest is the healthiest possible North American economy and tax base and the cheapest, best built cars.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 03:24 PM

Hear! Hear! JtS.

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 04:21 PM

The bailout came from two countries: US and Canada.

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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 04:42 PM

Take the mystery out of 'why' a lot of you are SO WRONG!! ..all the time!! (interesting read!)

GfS

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 08:26 PM

"The ignorance of Canadian members of this forum about the auto bailout is astounding."

So, one Canadian mentions the auto bailout and according to Jack (and Eb?) it's all Canadians. Right. GFY.

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Feb 12 - 09:24 PM

Yes 999, only 1 Canadian (yours truly) mentioned the auto bailout and he certainly did not intend to speak for all Canadians on this forum ... I stand by what I said in that post and in doing so (according to Jack) because my opinions differ from his I am classified as the enemy ... so Jack you can go ahead a grafitti the walls of derelic buildings that .. Number 6 is the ENEMY.

Whew ... that is pretty heavy if not scarry stuff ... sorta like that quote "you either with us, or against us"

Again, I reiterate, I am the enemy, I alone said it ... I was not speaking for 999, gnu, LH, bobad or any other Canucks in this forum.

biLL ... public enemy number 1 ... ;-)

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From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 07:00 AM

As a former GM stock owner, royally screwed over by Obama's payoff to the unions, I , too , am now am enemy.

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From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 08:40 AM

Spoken like the true Bearded Bruce "Its all about ME!"

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 09:22 AM

biLL, the jury is still not in on the bailouts. They started with Bush (about 4 billion) and continued with Obama (about 12 billion). And keep in mind that a good 10% of the bailouts were Canadian funded. Some of the same people who bitched when Bush did it laud it when Obama does it. Go figure. BTW, you are a friend, so if that makes you Public Enemy #1, well, proud to know you.

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From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:55 PM

Greg F, when you support something, I know it is evil, nasty, and supported by scum.

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From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 03:45 PM

You bet, Beardie - & right back atcha. Your comments speak for themselves without any help from me.

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From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 06:02 PM

The right cannot bring itself to admit that the auto bailouts worked... I mean, their entire narrative is that no matter what Obama does that works it has to be defined as a failure??? The stimulus worked, righties... Sorry, you don't like to hear that and we know you won't admit it...

Like I have pointed out before, if Obama found a cure for cancer the righties would accuse him of trying to put doctors out of work...

B~

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From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 06:38 PM

One more time: Bush started the bailout of the auto industry.

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From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 06:52 PM

Bush also started the loan to Solyndra and passed it off to Obama with a full recommendation that the loans be made...

Truth sucks, doesn't it, righties???

Plus...

...100!!!

B~