BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch

Subject: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 11:28 AM

There is a silly show on TV called Finding Bigfoot. I kinda get a kick out of it. Now I have spent my life in the woods. Still don't know if they exist as I never saw one. I have however, had rocks thrown at me of a size and distance that no human could throw. Heard howls, tree knocking and even found a partial print. But I never saw one, never found bones or any other sign. Does Bigfoot exist. Scientist such as Jane Goodall says it is a possibility. Some other noted scientists say yes because of the tracks they examined. Other says no way ..

any encounters my friends? What do you think

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 11:52 AM

Check with the Hendersons OK.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 12:11 PM

You might be interested in this thread above the line that has coincidentally come up: clicky, about a Canadian mummer's play involving Sasquatch (and squid).

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 12:15 PM

One named Hairy there Dave :-)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 12:29 PM

I think Bigfoot is the result of mating between horny human trappers and grizzly bear sows. You don't think they called those Jeremiah Johnson types "mountin' men" for no reason, do ya?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 01:06 PM

could be, could be ... never thought of that.
Actually some scientist say it could be a decent of
Gigantopithecus

I guess it really did live several thousand years ago ...

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:54 PM

I got a cousin that's a big hairy ape, especially when he's on the rye.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:58 PM

whadda I think? I think there would have to be a breeding population for something that big to survive...or else there's ONE immortal bigfoot, running back & forth across the country and teasing us.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:59 PM

LOL ... ok guys I am being serious :-) have ya ever seen a bigfoot other than one of those basketball player guys with the size 16 foot

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 03:06 PM

I'm from the Pacific Northwest, where there are many, many tales of the Sasquatch. One I find particularly believable involved a friend of mine: He was driving his son and friends to a boy scout camp in the Oregon wilderness one night when his headlights showed a tall (very), broad (very) person?,covered in dark hair, just crossing the road as my friend's car came around the curve.

He said that with two or three steps the 'being' was across the road and had disappeared into the woods alongside.

His pre-teen passengers were agog demanding to know what that was. He had no answer except that he knew it was no bear.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 03:23 PM

It seems like a reasonable possibility that there is such a creature, given the number of incidents that have occurred. If there is....then they are darned lucky that their existence has not been officially confirmed by the mass media and the science community. If it had, they'd never have a moment's peace again.

Your story about the thrown rocks is pretty interesting, Dan. That must have been frightening.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 03:43 PM

It's possible. Fact is, if the Sasquatch does exist in the deep woods, encounters will be rare. Imagine a bipedal beast with intelligence, physical prowess, knowledge of the area and trees to hide behind. Footyprints are about all that might be found and those would be rare in the Boreal Forest given the fact that the Sasquatch is also know as BIG FOOT. Think about it, big foot, little imPRINT.

Given your skills in wilderness survival and tracking, Dan, I suggest you investigate the existence of the Sasquatch yourself BUT, with those big feet in mind. As I said, finding tracks made by a Sasquatch is extremely difficult so I think you should focus on big shit. I mean, if these guys are nine feet tall, they must shit a big log. Think DNA testing, eh? That would narrow the search areas. And, you could fund this by getting donations for your research on the internut. Yer a supergeek... start a website called thebiglogproject.dan. And get it on that twit thing and that in yer face thing and get rednecks what cruise tha woods ta send ya shit from all over. Don't that sound like a plan, Dan?

As fer yer actual question... I ain't never seen one when I was sober.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 05:39 PM

I gotta admit, I am normally not afraid of much of anything ... well except jell-o , But when a rock the size of a big brick goes sailing through the top of the trees and lands 20 ft from me. I start to wonder what the heck could do that .. I mean a human would have needed a catapult .. The growling howl that was no coyote got me thinking also with the tree being wacked ... If he does exist, I don't want to mess with him

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 06:47 PM

I carry a Baikal 12 o/u full over moditied every time I go into the woods even tho I gave up hunting years ago so I ain't scared a no big feet until they are armed too. Then, I'll carry the 270.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 10:12 PM

Yea but when that happened I was doing my survival stuff, way out in the woods with only a knife ... made a debris shelter, getting my own fire and water scrounging up stuff to eat... so all I could do is poke him before he ripped my arms off :-)

Now if I had been packing my .44 mag ... I would have felt a wee bit better

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 11:18 PM

Years ago I was on vacation and I thought about suggesting to the brother that I frequently went camping with that we go explore a region that had recently been in the news.

Then it occurred to me: Why would I want to meet with beings BIGGER, STRONGER and DUMBER than I?

I didn't make a peep.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 12:50 AM

I had a horrible month one week in NYC. I know Sasquatch exist because I spoke with one walking east on W 7 St at 3:28 AM. The bars had closed with my help, and thar she blew. I forget the rest.

PS It might have been a lady wearin' a muskrat coat; it was before Greenpeace and Reagan.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:04 AM

Ah. Crabs?


:)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 04:39 AM

Lots of them in Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire or as the locals call them, hippies.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 04:58 AM

"Why would I want to meet with beings BIGGER, STRONGER and DUMBER than I?"

Apparently a fair enough number of females of our own kind think that's a perfect description of "husband material," although it seems they usually end up settling for a little less.

There has to be a reason why bikers and truckers find mates, some times(?).

John

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:01 AM

There is a rumour, surely untrue, that one was elected as a leader in that dismal dark forest of Toronto.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:24 AM

Thank you making me laugh ... priceless

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 10:15 AM

You can be sure though if someone does bump into one, the pillock will shoot and kill it. It's the human way.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 11:51 AM

Yes, and that's exactly why they do NOT want their existence confirmed by the media and the science community.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 12:13 PM

Olddude, you say you "had rocks thrown at me of a size and distance that no human could throw."

Are you sure there wasn't a scarp, bluff or cliff out of sight in those woods? Suppose a mass of weathered rock fell off the top and hit the talus pile below. Bigger chunks split into pieces, flying through the woods in unpredictable trajectories. That would explain it.

Either that it is was a susquatch that viewed you as an enemy because you weren't wearing Birkenstocks. Next time you go in the deep woods, wear Birkenstocks.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 12:31 PM

Leeneia
No honey, nothing like that, the rock thrown at me sailed over top the trees and came crashing down ... big bugger. I found the rock, first I thought a meteorite ... no kidding. then the tree knocking and howls .. got me going for sure. Next day in the creek some partial toe prints like human but huge huge .. I am not saying I believe it exists but something did it. remember my thread on gonna find bigfoot .. well I did I think. And no I would never hurt anything unless I was attacked and from what i read, that doesn't happen .. Even with bears I can scare them away without harming anything.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 12:48 PM

by the way, I never told another person where this happened, would never take a photo, nor would I ever cast a footprint. If it does exist it just wants to be left alone. The native Americans hold it sacred as the old man of the woods. Don't know now what I believe but the last thing I want is 1000 Pennsylvania bubba's with high powered rifles looking for action. I went out without any gadgets, I was going to bring a flir heat camera and night vision but anything including weapons I felt was a threat. A guy in a stick and leaf hut with nothing else is probably just a minor trespasser. For me I want to see one for my own curious reasons ... maybe this summer I will find him.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:16 PM

Tell him I want my ten bucks back.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:29 PM

or your beef jerky like on that TV commercial messing with sasquatch. Wanna go GNU, I trust ya. I promise you won't have to eat bugs

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:32 PM

Shane has always feared a possible encounter with Bigfoot. He tends to avoid traipsing around in deep forest areas for that reason. He has heard that strong body odor can attract the creature.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:38 PM

Question, Dan; who knew you were out in that area? And how much "tech" does it take to launch a rock with a lot more "oomph" than arm-power? I would love to think you really came that close to a sighting of one of the big guys, though.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:45 PM

Question: How much premise or vaguest possibility of misinterpretation does it take to attract a skeptic?

Answer: Virtually NONE at ALL!!! ;-D They are drawn as flies to roadkill.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:55 PM

Ya know, Dan. Them there backwoods grow-ops use some odd tactics. AND booby-traps.

If you go out in the woods today,
You'd better not go alone.
It's lovely out in the woods today,
But safer to stay at home.

'specially up kent County. Did I ever tell ya about "Camp Charcoal"?

froggy... ask Goliath. David put his ass in a sling eh?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:59 PM

L.H.,I guess it's true that I'm too skeptical to say that Dan has conclusive proof now. I know there are a lot of intriguing "encounters" on record, and I know there has been some hoaxing. And I don't mean that I take Dan for anybody's fool. If I'm a skeptic on this, I'm not a confirmed one, and I'm a skeptic who would love to see one of 'em. (And, like Dan, not publish the location).

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:07 PM

I am also my friend,   still need to see one, I only had some strange events happen but that is no proof at all ,.. to answer you question GNU nobody knew it. That area is so far out, swamp, bugs, briars .. it is a hell of a place to venture into .. But you know me, I like that kinda stuff. My family has a stroke anymore when I do that stuff since my minor heart issue. I get you are going to die yada yada ..
I go out alone .. and I go way back ... my family knows where to look but I doh't tell anyone else. there were no humans there. Too hard to get back in that place and it is a hell of a place to go to start with, but if bigfoot exists .. that would be the place with all the game there, Hunters don't go there, if you got a deer you would never get it out ...

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:12 PM

like all of you I am still very skeptical but intrigued, would love to see it .. then I would say for sure as far as I am concerned. All I have now is some things with all my training and skills, I can't explain as of yet.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:18 PM

You meant, "as of yeti", no?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:24 PM

What is really cool is listening to the animals. The woods at night is a very noisy place. Owls, crickets, elk ... bobcats .. lots of noise. When you hear the strange howls and tree knocking ... dead silence .. I MEAN even the mosquitoes don't buzz .. like they are all scared to death. I need to find out what it is explainable or now ... now I am intrigued

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 03:36 PM

Shane fears a sasquatch encounter? Bullshit. Shane IS a sasquatch. Big. Ugly, make that "rugged". Beer. Chick. Gotta be Shane.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 03:49 PM

And grabbin her ass.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 04:05 PM

Dan... ya ever hear porcupines doin it? Goes on and on with about five minutes in between... 5 on, 5 off. Drive ya nuts.

The worst "noise" ever was the Whipoorwill. SOB would sit in the trees 40' away from my camp and Whipoorwill for hours. One night, I was a little sad about being woken up by Bro with open cylinder nd skeet 9 but I slept better after that.

Hehehe... one night, I woke up to heavy "sniffing". A black bear had his nose pressed hard against a window screen of my trailer about 1.5' above my head. I backhanded him with a closed fist and he let out a howl and ran off... I'd guess about twenty yards. Then he started to growl and scuff the leaves. I got up, stood in the doorway and let out a "man call" (very loud, low voice F U!!!). He made tracks. Next weekend, claw marks on the door. I tracked him to his sleeping tree and pissed on it while he watched me. No more problems with that one.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:22 PM

There's no particular reason to be skeptical about something like the Sasquatch. To be skeptical is to take a faith-based position ("It just can't be true!")

To insist that there are Sasquatch would be the opposite faith-based position (unless you've actually seen one, in which case you'd have every right to insist that they DO exist).

Either the determined skeptic or the determined promoter of something unusual (who hasn't actually seen it) are taking a faith-based position, one backed up by their emotional need to either believe...or not believe...in something unusual.

In either case, that's operating on faith and prejudice, not on reason.

A reasonable person simply takes the position that:

1. he doesn't know for sure about that

and

2. he'd be interested in any further information he could get about it

Rather than adopting a position based on an established emotional prejudice (for or against), he is willing to simply consider it as a possibility and await further evidence that may come forward. He might consider it on a scale of probabilities, but he doesn't have an emotional stake in insisting that it IS so or ISN'T so.

I'm not a skeptic. Neither am I a true believer who, without direct experience, insists that there MUST BE Sasquatches out there.

I find Dan's story quite intriguing, though, because I've known Dan long enough to trust that he has good powers of observation and judgement. Thus, his story raises interesting possibilities. It suggests some likelihood that he may have had a near encounter with an unusual wild animal of some kind...one that would try to avoid contact with human beings, and would be disturbed by humans entering its area. That might be what is termed Bigfoot. It might be something else. I have no way of knowing for sure. Nor does Dan...but he will form his own conclusion as to what seems most likely, given his own firsthand experience.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:40 PM

Well said, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 06:17 PM

Very well said indeed. I had somethings that were very much out of the ordinary happen to me given my many years in the bush ... I will keep trying until I can figure it out ... maybe just maybe I will get a look at something that will completely astonish me and that would be wonderful actually.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,Sasquatch
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 06:47 PM

They say there no me, but me exist. Now I have laptop and 4G can get internet access even in Trinity Wilderness. I surf net for me, find this posting, so make my own posting I exist. You come Trinity, south fork Salmon River, bring case Spam in can, case Green Death beer, big package Oreo cookie. I let you take picture, you be famous!

Your good friend,

Me-Creature.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 06:51 PM

LOL priceless ... ok I will bring the beer and cookies

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:00 PM

Hi, Sasquatch. What a coincidence! I was just thinking that Oreos would be good to take into the woods when searching for you.

I have done some wildlife watching. For example, last year we went to south Florida and saw 65 kinds of wild creature.

If you want to visit Sasquatch, people, my advice is - Don't look like a hunter. Don't wear camo or woodman-type clothes. Don't wear boots. Slouch, relax, amble, sing softly. Better yet, stay inside your car.

Scientists often wear the same stuff when in the woods. Bad mistake! Animals can't distinguish a hunter from an observer when they're wearing the same kind of clothes and carrying similar shiny black objects.

More than once we have had a truce with a bunch of birds, only to have them take off in a panic when the telescope came out. We pointed a shiny, black thing at them - what did we expect?

Olddude, if you want to return to the secret spot and socialize with a Sasquatch, here's my advice. Wear a pink shirt and carry a picnic hamper. If you can take along a lady wearing a blue summer dress and go through the woods holding her hand, do it. Speak in kind, gentle tones. In other words, act the opposite of a predator.

Be sure to include Oreos. I would have thought Nutter Butters, but apparently Oreos are what he wants.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:06 PM

I too have seen some amazing things that I am sure VERY few prople have seen... I have been in woods where no human has ever been. Like you, I alawys went as far back as I could. If I could spend my days without seeing another human, they were good days. I fed carrots to a bull moose that weighed at leat a thousand pounds. I have played with cock birch partridge who wanted to fight me. I could tell stories for hours.

But, the most amazing thing I ever witnessed was silence. A crisp fall eve, an hour before dark. Not a strip of wind. Absolute silence. I could hear and feel the faint thumps of earthquakes but nothing else. So quiet, I would faintly snap my fingers near my ears to break the silence. I never felt so peaceful or so in awe.

I experienced the same silence on full moons on cold fall nights. I would stay up all night and cruise the woods. It's different. It's magical on a moonlit night.

Brings a tear to my eye. I miss those days... and nights.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:18 PM

Gnu well grab a pack of oreo's and join me .. I will take ya some places that you won't believe especially if ya want to go to the high rockies and fish at my kids weekend cabin ..

wanna go also Leeneia? I don't look good in a blue dress :-) but you do.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:24 PM

birds are amazing, they are the wiener dogs of the woods. They tell everything an intruder is coming around. Especially a dang bluejay that thing will yell like my wiener dog barking at the mailman. When I was a hunter I hunted with my ears. Just listening to other critters you can tell what is going on around you.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 11:22 PM

Thanks for thinking of me, olddude, but my mountaineering days are done.

Thanks for the wonderful account, gnu. I wish I could hear silence, but feedback has damaged my ears so much that when it's silent, all I hear is the ringing in my hears.

Never mind that. Don't you love the silence that comes when snow blankets the world? You wake up and see that soft, white light coming through the window, then you notice the silence of the world.

Back to wildlife observations - once on a beach in Fort Lauderdale, I got a wonderful close-up shot of a wading bird feeding in the foaming waves. I was able to get it because I crawled over the sand on my knees, inching up, then holding still when it looked at me. The kneeling kept the bird from seeing my two-legged humanness.

I kinda freaked out a couple of gay guys on a blanket nearby, but they figured it all out after a while. The shot is one of my favorite photographs - that fragile bird confronting the vast blue ocean.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 11:33 PM

Beautiful stories! Thanks for posting them.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 08:17 AM

Brilliant stuff. I would love to spend time out in the woods, but here in the UK we simply don't have any real wilderness left; it's one of the reasons I love the States so much. I've flown over the forests of the northern US and Canada a couple of times and there is a heck of a lot of unexplored land there . . . plenty of room for a large hominid that doesn't want to be seen to live undiscovered.

Gnu - More stories! I love to hear them.

Olddude - did you get any pics of the partial print?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 09:23 AM

jack
no I didn't, next time I will bring my cell phone and get one. Usually when I wander out for a few days I only bring a knife. I suspect that is why my Mrs gets so angry with me.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 09:45 AM

Sugarfoot Jack, don't give up. Your part of the world still has plenty of wild birds. They are wonderful to watch. Check it out.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 10:49 AM

I do love the wildlife we have here and pay close attention to it, but it's not the same.

Here we have no keystone predators at all, the last wolf was killed int he 1700's sometime and plans to reintroduce them give our mollycoddled farmers the howling fantods. As a consequence, our landscape is tamed and missing something, a presence whose echoes we can still hear.

18 months ago when visiting the US we went hiking in the backcountry around Yellowstone Lake. It was a 3-4 mile walk into the forest and up a hill into those magnificent old growth woods, the like of which we don't have here. We took bear spray and indeed a week or so before a bear was spotted in the area. It was great to be out and have the hairs on the back of your neck stand up knowing there were things in those woods that were you to bump into them could easily eat you. In that landscape we are not top predators.

People studying ecosystems and trophic cascades call this the ecology of fear, a deep seated response that has been passed for our ancestors walking the plains of the Great Rift Valley 200,000 years ago. This same feeling alters the way elk behave in areas where wolves have returned. It's a part of our being, and I'm glad to have felt it even if was only for that short time. It certainly makes you feel more alive.

In Utah last year we kept an eye out for mountain lions, but these are supposed to be very difficult to see (although a lady in a bar in Rapid City, S.D. once told us how she had to constantly scare off a mountain lion that kept coming into her back yard).

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:47 PM

Jack
you get to Colorado sometime I will take you to some places in the Rockies that God painted a masterpiece. Amazing beautiful. Back home in Pennsylvania we have some pretty thick hairy woods that go on for miles. Elk, bobcats, cougar (they tell me but I haven't seen a cougar there) But the high Rockies, Oh yea, I could become a mountain man and be very happy ..Of course now my kids get all crazy when I do a high elevation walk about, they think I am going to die LOL ... Ok a couple of summers ago I came down with pneumonia from a two day alone trek at high elevation. But I got it from the plane not my survival lone wolf fishing excursion :-) Kids can't tell them anything all I get now is Dad the last time you spent a week in the hospital here, no way no way yada yada yada.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:52 PM

I suppose I should bring the satellite phone with me ... not getting any younger ... dang kids maybe then I won't get grief but at 58 I am not exactly old yet .. well sort of but not yet

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 01:17 PM

I might take you up on that kind offer!

I have to say, cresting the Bighorn Mountains and seeing the snowcapped Rockies in the distance was one of the greatest moments of my life.

Sheeeeeeet, you got some country there, no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 01:21 PM

Got a bigfoot in my house I do

bigfoot

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 01:26 PM

She just had a bath and had a bad hair day ... you can tell she wasn't happy with me at all. Sad bigfoot

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 01:54 PM

Thanks for the encouragement. But, when I said hours, I meant hours. It would take me days to type out the stories. S-Jack... filter "bear" and you'll find some stories by Kendall, me and others.

Hmmm... another amazing thing... I posted this years ago and can't quite recall exactly how it went, but...

I used to park my truck with a camper in the box at the top of hill on an old logging road. "Up country" for me was a system of thousands of miles of logging roads in which the rise and fall was less than 100m in any direction... bog country with mixed woods that had grown up after clear-cutting softwood. I recall walking on fallen pines about 2m in diameter. There are still silver birch trees near streams (no cutting aloud) that are over 1m at the butt. Silver birch are my favourite. Dan said he hunted with his ears but I know he used a lot more than that... a silver birch that size can be spotted from far away and you know what else is there. Saw a silver birch 450mm at the butt that was felled by a beaver. Well, musta been beaverS working in shifts. I got lotsa stories about beavers too. Great fun to watch.

Kinda got off topic there. Sorry.

There was an old pulp yard where I parked my truck. I used to take a sleeping bag and get on the top of the camper. On a clear new moon night, I would lay and stare at the sky. Try as I might, I could not find a dark spot in the sky. If I stared long enough I would just see more stars. Laying there in awe of the sky, it was so close I felt I could reach out and touch forever. Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 02:03 PM

Rattlesnakes, I have had dozen of encounters with them in the bush. Never got bit except the time a female hit my hip boots when I stepped on her .. glanced off. I have put my hand next to one, Had one crawl into my debris shelter during the night .. even looked down once and had a big timber rattler slither over my shoe. They don't always rattle, usually do but not always. Now bears, lots and lots of encounters, treed once, walked into a big black bear eating blackberries. Chased one off the front porch of my camp looking in the window ..

Turkey hunting in cameo and had a big wolf come right up to me sniffing. He couldn't see me but could smell me .. I move he ran..

I could go on for days.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 02:07 PM

Gnu ever been close to a bobcat ... what an incredible site they are. Lots of them back home. I heard some faint noise in the woods and stayed very very still. A beauty came about 15 yards from me drinking out of a creek .. still to this day an amazing site

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 02:39 PM

Lynx, bobcat, cougar (Eastern Panther to the old lads). And, one time, I heard this terrible wailing while hunting near The Blue Hills of New Brunswick (NW part... Appalachians). I was scouting some old farms for whitetails. I headed for the noise. It was a cat well over 30 pounds caught in a conibear trap. I shot it quickly. It looked like a bobcat physically but it looked like an orange tabby cat and it had a huge head. Strange. That was a sad day but I did what was best, even tho I use a 20ga. I really didn't care if I messed up some trappers catch... I couldn't stand to see it suffer.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 02:47 PM

After I quit smoking and thus no longer smelled as strong nor had the need to fire up every half hour, I came closer to wildlife on my daylong hikes than I ever had.

* I've had a deer bark at me (did you know they bark? I hadn't- actually it was huffing at its baby that there was danger afoot but it came out as a bark. Her sides slammed together while her ears were flicking back and forth, back and forth, trying to locate me.

*I've had a flock of tiny, twittering birds alight with me in their midst as they slurped up a woodland pool.

* I've had a nutria growl at me.

* I've watched a fox or coyote (I think it was a coyote- awfully big for a fox and didn't have a typical coat) preen itself from about 20 feet (with a deep chasm between us and it never saw me).

* I've stood within three feet of a deer busily munching in the brush. I could almost have reached out and touched her flicking tail.

And lots of other things. Made quitting smoking worth it every single day.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 02:58 PM

I watched a flock of birch partridge (ruffed grouse) torment a fox to exhaustion. He would run at them and they would lift about 6 feet and then come down again. Not the whole flock. They were spaced out. He would be standing still and panting. A birch would walk toward him until he charged and failed again. I walked close and shooed the fox away. Supper was delicious. Butter fried birch and black rum and coke. Buy, yet again, I wish now I had carried a camcorder instead of a gun. So many things I could have photograhed and videoed. Hindsight eh?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 08:43 PM

wow, ok I just found this on youtube. That town is 6 miles from where I was out in the bush
wow have a look at this

Johnsonburg

There are no zoo's around that little town and I know of none that own an ape ... this cool

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 08:55 PM

I know everyone in that town and the guy that shot that photo. He is an avid hunter and not the kind of guy to fake anything. Pretty cool, now is it a bigfoot, who knows but it is interesting that it is pretty close to where I was.   dang this fun

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 09:02 PM

I even have a very good idea where that was taken, never saw it before tonight ... Now I was about 6 miles further back in the bush. Nobody goes back there where I was ya gotta be nuts to go out in that swamp .. especially alone .. but I am nuts and use to it ... heck if there are babies, gotta be big one too ... I am intrigued. i find him if he exists for sure now

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 10:27 PM

Aw, those photos are fake! No sensible animal would get that close to bear cubs. Their mother is keeping an eye on them, and would not look kindly on anything even faintly human that close to them.

Seriously, old dude, do you worry about running into drug dealers in the woods? Some people were picking mushrooms in Missouri recently and stumbled across a big marijuana operation. I'm glad the growers weren't there when they found it.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 11:11 PM

Leeniea
your point is well taken, however I have seen other animals with bear cubs many times. Deer, Elk, etc .. now I have also crossed between a mom and cub black bear and she put me up a tree .. would have killed me if I had not moved so fast .. you point is a good one, does the creature pose a threat in the mind of the mom bear, humans sure do .. don't know cause I don't really know what I am looking at. I find it interesting for sure.

I ran across a couple of hairy moment in the woods alone. I can disappear and nobody knows I am there.. I am pretty much aware of everything but your point is also very well taken

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 11:24 PM

I will say the only time I ever seen deer or Elk or both around bear cubs is when the "skunk" cabbage sprouts in the spring. For some reason bears and deer love that stuff. You will see the bear cubs and the mom's feasting on it along with deer but they are usually on opposite ends of the patch. That area is loaded with the stuff but I don't see any in that photo. Again just lots of questions I can't answer. If the photo was CGI faked it would be easy to spot ..

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 12:27 PM

I stared at the pic for a while just now. Looks like a young Mama bear and the photo was taken in early to mid spring. Perhaps even late spring, depending on the avaiability of food. However, note the lack of leaves or discernable buds on the sappling in the foreground. That is contrasted by what looks like a fern also in the foreground. Dan... can you ID the "fern".

I've seen sows that looked emaciated from nursing three cubs all winter. Matter of fact, I've seen boars in the spring that looked like death warmed over.

Still, finding Bigfoot would be cool. Probably less dangerous, too.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 12:30 PM

good catch Gnu
I feel you are right on

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 04:06 PM

I stared at some other pics. The "fern" is a conifer... I think.

Listening to the doc again seems very odd. He more or less says the limbs do NOT match those of a black bear but are more like a chimp and then the pic blends to a chimp. I think he needs to study black bears more. I have seen hundreds up close and it sure looks like a bear to me... not in EVERY pic... in some pics, I can't definitely say it's a bear and it doesn't even look like a bear but if I was there I would dare say it was a bear and take off... slowly... always slowly while keeping tabs on the bear. I guess the thing is, he ain't never seen a skinny one.

You take a young sow, even say at 250 pounds in November... what's she gonna look like after hibernation with cubs?

I gotta tell this one again. I was walkin along and a commotion arose. I was 100m from a big "hole" (puddle) in the road, side to side and about 25m long and 1m deep in the centre Ya gotta know these things ta get yer truck way back). All of a sudden, this bear comes out of the woods and jumps arse over tea kettle and SPAAALASH! Runs up the road, runs back and SPLASH! I set my partridge down and changed out the birdshot fer slugs... safety first eh?

Reloaded and wanting to go along my way, I got it's attention and gave a man call - **** OFFFFF! very loudly. It ran into the woods. I bent over, picked up my bird and then saw Mama. She walked toward me about 10m and sat down like a dog sits and stared at me. I turned and walked slowly away about 10m while looking back at her. I saw a piece pine just right and hauled it into the road, had a seat and lit a smoke.

She looked into the woods and woofed. Out comes junior/juniette and s/he played in that puddle for 20 minutes while she never took her eyes off me. Then, she woofed and the cub ran to her side and stuck to her like glue. They walked off and I continued on my way.

No. I wasn't nervous. Perhaps in a heightened state of awarness. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 04:31 PM

Just recalled another one. I'll make it short. 5PM. Last day of moose season. 18 years old. Commotion and yowling coming toward me. Sounded like a bull moose chasing a cow. It stopped just inside the woods and then took off. I put the safety on and ran in. Stopped and listened. It ran. I ran. I chased it half a dozen times. Lost it.

Got back on the road and lit a smoke. Looked down the road and started shaking... I had been chasing a large cub and Mama was close to 400 pounds. Still makes me feel uneasy to recall it and not just because of the possible danger to me. I am glad I didn't encounter Mama in a pissed off mood. That woulda been tragic for one or both of us. Likely for her and then for the cub. I won't explain that any further. I don't even like to think about it.

BTW, as I have said on other threads, I have never killed a bear, even when they came at me. My old man taught me that if you ain't gonna eat it, you don't shoot it. Although, similarly, I was also taught to terminate certain animals on sight with extreme predjudice, depending on their location. If I was still hunting, I dunno if I would do that. I doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:24 PM

Well I gotta tell ya GNU, It is total pants poopage when you walk between a cub and the mom. She came at me with teeth showing and running like the wind. I hiked up that damn tree like I had wings. Twice she started to climb it shake it and I was trying to hit her in the face with a branch. After several hours she finally left ... that puts the fear of God in ya .. That was a big ass momma black bear also. Absolutely true story, I was 12 or 13 when that happened.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:31 PM

Waking up with a good old Pennsylvania timer rattler next to you head is another one that makes you know you are alive. Now the Apache would put a rope around their campsite. They believed a snake won't crawl over a rope. I don't know if it is true or not. I still do it anyway because if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for me, and well I never had another one crawl in. They look for heat and body heat will do nicely for them .. screw the sleeping bags, ya can't get out of them fast enough rather slow and careful enough

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:36 PM

12 or 13? Oh, now, THAT IS frightening. When yer only a wee lad ya just don't have the wits and knowledge to handle it. I was much older when I had my run-ins. I am also of the mind that she would not have treed an older human for that long which is even more terrifying. She mighta wanted you for lunch as well as eliminating a threat. Truly chilling, dan.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:48 PM

I don't give two shits from Tuesday about bears or moose or yotes or rabid foxes nd skunks and such... poisonous snakes and bugs mess me up. We only have a few here. And they are very rare. Matter of fact, the biologists say we don't have any. They need to get out more and listen to the old folks. I saw a six foot snake in the leaves beside a brook that I described to a biologist buddy and he said there aren't any here. Yeah, right. Scientist me arse.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 08:48 PM

At that time Gnu, if you had to stay after school of just had some school activities ain't no parent gonna pick ya up. ya walked home. I had two choices, one was a half mile or so maybe 3/4 tops up over the mountain and down to my house .. or around the stinking mountain which took forever and was one hell of a long walk. I always took the woods way. We all did actually. Maybe 2 years after me my neighbor Joey got treed also. We learned the cub season wasn't probably a good idea to take the woods route :-)

I remember thinking getting killed this way is really going to hurt. funny what goes through you mind.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 08:59 PM

When you took the long way home Gnu, if you timed it right and made it to town, you waited for the Pennsylvania RR to lumber by. The boxcars would roll very slowly down the mountain. Well the tracks were right behind my home, Then a decent size river, then nothing but National forest for miles and miles. Well we would hop the boxcars and ride home and then jump off. Not really dangerous they moved really slow. I guess I was a hobo before I knew what that meant. Maybe that is why I love the woods and railroads. We had nothing else

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 09:03 PM

on the front of my house GNU was the mountain, woods and on the backside of that was the school. so long way, I would try to hop the train after making it to town, short way, over the mountain but cub season .. nope that cured me

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 11:21 PM

Never bothered me. I guess it's on accounta I never got treed. Although, after I was come at a coupkle of times and realized it was my stupidity for not being prepared (fact is, whern I was a boy, bears were actually scared of humans), I carried a weapon.

We can carry a weapon all year long here, except for three days during moose season and on Sundays, except for 3 Sundays during deer sesaon (recent law). That's fine for most people, but, if I could still go back to where I used to go, I would carry a weapon, no matter the laws. When you go back where the big fellahs live, you gotta be ready to let them know that you are at the top of the food chain. Like I said, I never killed a bear, but I have told a lot of them to fuck off with a "man call" or my weapon. Guns are loud and they kick up a LOT of dirt. Makes an impression fer sure.

Anyway, back to this Big Foot fellah. Ya think a trail camera is the way to go? Sure sounds like a good idea to me. Do they make a flash whe they take a pic?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 11:31 PM

No flash, most of them use infrared so that can take a pic in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 11:42 PM

Great stories- don't stop!

Dan, this: "Well we would hop the boxcars and ride home and then jump off. Not really dangerous they moved really slow. I guess I was a hobo before I knew what that meant. Maybe that is why I love the woods and railroads. We had nothing else " reminds me of a song I learnt for a friend's birthday (See, his bride discovered that he had never owned a Lionel and bade us all come to the party with a train song. I found one written by a Canadian, Phil Halliday, who calls it "That Train Song".

Well, he gave all he had to my maw and me
Just another boy child he would never see
Well, my maw and my paw went their separate ways
I was born on a midnight train.

Well I was raised in a railside shack
And I'd fall asleep to that clickey-clack
All day long I'd run alongside
Learned real young how to hop a ride

Well, I got a soul like a runaway train
I got a heart that feels no pain
When you're born with a track beneath your bed
You sleep one eye open pointin' straight ahead...

Isn't that a poignant song? I like it.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 11:54 PM

I love it Ebbie, thank you my dear friend

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:06 AM

In college I worked about every job in the world. One summer I worked for a logger and we were cutting trees that were killed by the gypsy moth and marked for removal by the state forest service. Rugged area of Pennsylvania, lots of rattlesnakes and lots of bears.

I always brough a jar of peanut butter with me. First I love the stuff and it is high in energy and you need it doing that non stop work for sure.

Well I took a break and walked back to the landing to have some peanut butter and bread. There sitting on a log was a big big black bear. He opened my lunch box, popped the lid off my peanut butter and was just licking away. He had peanut butter on his nose, ears, paws .. Needless to say he was welcome to it, I wasn't going to argue. I sat there watching him only maybe 20 yards away. He licked that thing clean then wiped his ears with his paws like a cat does, carry off the jar into the woods .. funnies thing I ever saw. Man it was all over his face ... great great encounter. Never paid me any mind, just enjoyed himself. Oh he also ate a whole loaf of bread too. He opened the bread like a human, wrapper wasn't even torn, dumped out the whole loaf on the ground and ate it all. Thank goodness he didn't want my big bottle of coke cola to wash it all down with.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:25 AM

Bears can be very tidy eaters. In Juneau, Alaska, when a friend discovered that a bear had entered her kitchen she thought at first that it hadn't disturbed her half-eaten candy bar that was on the kitchen counter. But it had- the candy wrapper was empty.

By the way, it is just as well that you didn't presume upon your acquaintance with the bear that co-opted your bread and peanut butter. Also in Juneau a man ended up in the hospital fairly badly mauled.

He and a young bear had had what he had felt was a spiritual connection: the bear had very politely waited its turn for bites of the man's sandwiches.

Until the food was gone.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:37 AM

My uncle Dan had a big apple tree growing right outside his house. One night, crash ... A big black bear had climbed the tree to get some apples and the branch broke bear and all right though his picture window into his living room. He came down stairs to find a huge black bear trying to squeeze back through the broken window and run back up into the woods ... what a mess it made. He lived in the same town that the bigfoot or whatever was photographed that I posted earlier.

Dan was quite a woodsman, taught me everything. He was a WWII fighter pilot and highly decorated war hero. A little skinny man that was as strong as an ox. He had a heart attack in his 60's and about a year after that my aunt was yelling at me to talk to him when i visited. His heart doctor died so my uncle flushed all his meds. Told me
"If the son of a bitch can't keep himself alive, he ain't going to do me any good"

That was my uncle Dan

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:53 AM

The river behind my house next to the RR tracks was loaded with every critter you can imagine, otters, beaver, muskrats, every type of freshwater fish and huge I mean huge snapping turtles. When the female snappers want to lay their eggs they will wander all over the place to find some ground to dig that suits them. I would get monster snappers in my back yard. We would grab them by the tail and struggle to get them into a cardboard box and take them back to the river. Only to find several more the next day. One time my dog was barking and there was a snapper that looked like a bushel basket .. took two of us to lift that critter up ... amazing how big they got. About every few years the river would flood over the tracks and about 20 ft from my house. When the water receded , if left little pools of water full of huge brown and rainbow trout. My dad not being one to waste anything would get bucks full of them. We ate a lot of fish

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: NightWing
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:57 AM

I live in Colorado and recently saw my first lion in the wild.

On the Christmas Bird Count this winter, about 10 miles north of Sterling, about 100 miles east of the mountains. My father and I were driving on a section road and I glanced off to the left and saw a "coyote". Somehow it didn't look quite right though. Got my binoculars on it and saw that the ears weren't pointed, dog ears. Then it turned its head to the side (so I saw it in profile) and it didn't have a long dog nose either.

Dad slammed on the brakes and we stepped out of the car and watched it. It was about 75-100m away across prairie fields. So our view was excellent. We watched it wander across the field for 20-30 minutes before it decided it didn't like those two people pointing things at it (telescope, to get a close-up view) and meandered off away from the section road and over a hill.

We both figured it was probably a young male, out making the "Grand Tour". Very exciting!

BB,
NightWing

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 02:58 AM

Several years ago, in Oregon, I too saw my first mountain lion. It was just at dusk and the sun's last glow was disappearing so that everything in front of the car was backlit. We were in central Oregon not far from Bend and traffic was almost nonexistent. Ahead of us was a single camper.

I happened to be driving when a L O N G animal flowed (no other word for it) down the right bank and across the country highway. Thinking back I suspect it was kind of crouching rather than upright because it seemed very long for its height.

I was excited and thrilled and the memory still gives me pleasure. At the same time, if I lived in lion country I would worry about my children and pets.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 10:08 AM

Yes, Ebbie. The length of a big cat and the fluid motion are striking. The third one I saw had a tail that looked to be half the length of the body. When I got to where it crossed the road I was disappoited that the ditches were so dry that I couldn't find any tracks. I didn't track it into the woods on accounta I don't know squat about big cats.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 10:40 AM

Ebbie and Night
great stories. Did you ever hear them howl at night .. Wow the big cats can send chills down your back ... beautiful animals for sure. I only saw 1 in all of my treking ... just beautiful, he was running up the side of a mountain.

I got all excited when I saw my first big horn sheep through my binoculars once in my treking ... Now that was breath taking for sure. We sure don't have what you folks have in Alaska or Colorado

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 10:48 AM

The Dungarvon Whooper (pronounced "hooper") is a ghost story, immortalized in a song by Michael Whelan (poet), about a murder in the late 19th century along the Dungarvon River in central New Brunswick, Canada. (Wiki)

Children are told the ghost story to frighten them and thereby get them to stay close to home (as most such stories are meant to do). Bobcats, lynx and panthers heard at night are are said to be the Banshee of the murdered lumber camp cook.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 02:58 PM

So, first day of our three day moose season. Rocky has a licence and we go back to my trailer. Moose seasn is a pig's arse here. Last T-F-Saturday of September. WAY too early. It's just too warm but maybe that's what the DNR wants. There's only 6000 permits in the draw. Out moose population is WAY down on accounta the the sylviculture practices and chemical spraying.

Rocky went for a snooze about 3PM. I sat in a lawn chair in the shade with only pants, hat and sunglasses on. About 30m away on the east road, a young boar (I'll guess 200 pounds) came out on the road and plopped down in a puddle, have a drink of muddy water and trtying to cool off.

I loaded the Win 100 308 cal and walked toward him. When he saw me I gave a man call and he jumped up and scooted about 20m, stopped, turned and looked at me. Since I wasn't chasing him, he started walking back toward me. I gave another FO! but he kept coming. I levelled and fired four shots fast into a large pine about 2m in front of him. He scrammed.

Back to the comfy chair and my "soda pop". 20 minutes. SOB is comin down the north road toward me. I gave a man call. He did not stop. Another call. Same deal. So, I went after him. When we were about 20m apart he decided he didn't wanna learn if I was dangerous and he took off in the bush. Of course, I waited for him to stop, which he did about 20m inside the woods. I ran in and chased him several times but never got a shot. Yes, I woulda blown his ass away. I fully intended to do so. An uneducated bear is a dangerous bear. That's the only one I ever decided NEEDED to be dispatched but it worked out for both of us as he didn't come back... until a couple of years later. BTW, do NOT run through thick bush without a shirt.

When I woke Rocky up for the evening hunt he told me he had a strange dream in wich he could hear me yelling and shooting. I showed him the brass and the tracks. He said, "Good thing it wasn't you taking the nap." Rocky was not a country boy. Still ain't as far as I am concerned. He's more what we call a Hollywood Hunter... drives around in the truck and gets lost. Didn't know shit about weapons but the new (1980s?) laws will help that problem. But, I taught his young fellah well. He's a fine woodsman... one of the joys of my life teachin that lad about the bush.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 03:12 PM

In my last installment I mention city boy Rocky. Dan, yer gonna love this.

We were in Albert County, NB in the hills. I slogged thru small pines (ain't THAT a bitch?) and then a swamp and then climbed a nasty hill, routing white tail after white tail in heavy brush. I took a transverse cut on the hardwoods, and hit a road that led back to the main logging road of the section. When I hit the main road, there was Rocky standing atop a dozer pushback. Looked like a lighthouse in his hunter's orange.

I noticed his safety was off and asked him what he had seen. He said he had been watching a deer feeding over by that large pine. I asked him why he didn't shoot it. He asked, "Will this gun shoot that far?" 303 and the distance was about 150m! I was pissed. I asked him why his safety was off. He said, "It's on." I said, "Fire forward." he said, "No, it's on." I asked for his gun. I put the safety on and put the barrel on my boot and pulled the trigger. I took the safety off, handed the gun back and said, "Your turn."

That was when I started to try teach him but, like they say, you can take the boy out of the city but...

Scarey shit, eh? Thank goodness for the new gun laws.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 07:09 PM

I hear ya gnu, I pulled a gun out of a hunters hand after he fired at a running deer right across a busy highway ... I was a fish and game officer and it cost him a bunch ... crazy bastard

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ole Juul
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:14 AM

There's lots of Bigfoot up here around the Coalmont area. We just ignore them.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 01:50 PM

Is a female bigfoot called a bitchfoot?

ok I will go to the cellar

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 02:17 PM

BTW, before anyone points out the obvious, I DID curl my toes and close my eyes. Dad didn't teach me all he taught me (an armed forces smalls arms expert trained during WW2) to have me blow my toes off.

That lad could shoot. I have some cool stories about noon hour target practice but those will be in my memoires.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 02:27 PM

A foot in yer mouth is called a "Dan". >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 03:59 PM

Here is an interesting article, involving Native American beliefs concerning Sasquatch. I had wondered about that- it seems obvious that there are many tales and legends handed down. I want to do some research.

http://web.ncf.ca/bz050/HomePage.bfna.html

"But, special being as he is, I have never heard anyone from a Northwestern tribe suggest that Bigfoot is anything other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans and other animals. He eats, he sleeps, he poops, he cares for his family members. However, among many Indians elsewhere in North America... as widely separated as the Hopi, the Sioux, the Iroquois, and the Northern Athabascan -- Bigfoot is seen more as a sort of supernatural or spirit being, whose appearance to humans is always meant to convey some kind of message."

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 04:34 PM

The search for Sasquatch isn't all that much different from the search for the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker, except that in the case of the woodpecker it was at least known that it did exist some time ago, but was declared extinct quite a while back.

When a fellow came out of the swamp claiming to have seen one, there were lots of disbelievers, and hundreds(?) of people invaded the marsh forests looking for one.

The search went on ...

The frustration in not being able to find one is aptly illustrated by the expression on the face of This Guy who can't find one no matter how hard he looks.

John

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 04:48 PM

That is cool Ebbie, thank you

hey gnu, is a baby called "littlefoot" or "lightfoot"

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:21 PM

well i ain't never seen and atom, but I know they exist ...

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:30 PM

I think their is one in the flippin' tool shed out back!!! There are, like, weerd noises coming out and, like, stuff crashin' arownd in there!

What the FLIP should we do????

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:43 PM

For Heaven's sake, sit down.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:45 PM

"hey gnu, is a baby called "littlefoot" or "lightfoot""

It's a gordon.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:02 AM

It is okay, eh? We went back after awhiles with a flashlight and a flippin' baseball bat and a rake. Don had the baseball bat and I had the rake. I wanted the bat but my fliphead bruther would not give it to me so I hadda take a flippin' rake. You do not wanta fight a flippin' Bigfoot with nothin' but a rake! You can take that to the bank, eh? Trust me.

Anyways, we went back there and it was pretty flippin' scary cos there was all this noise comin' from the tool shed. It did not soumd human! Don tole me to get the tarpollen and get ready while he got set with the bat. We flang open the door!!! I was holdin' the flashlite when I seen these flippin' eyes glowin red in the light! I screamed! Don swang the bat and bopped the flippin' beast over the head and yelled "Throw the flippin' tarpollen over him, you bolthole!" He should not talk to me like that! He thinks that bein' the older flippin' bruther makes him like King Shit or somethin', but he is wrong! But there was no flippin' time to argew so I thrown the tarp over the hairy beast! Don was whalin' away with the bat and I was whalin' away with the rake. You shoulda hearn the flippin' thing yell! It was awful. I never hearn worse language comin' from anything...not human nor alyen nor animul nor nothin'. Not even in jail! It was awful.

But wait. Do Bigfoots say things like "WHAT THE FLIP!!! WHADDYA THINK YER FLIPPIN' DOIN'?"

My gess is...probally not. At least I dwout it. And I was not born yesterday, know what I'm sayin'? I can figger things like this out myself.

The upshot of all this is that it turnt out to be our buddy Dale from Sudberry. He was comin' over for a visit but he got confusded about direckshuns or somethin'. He ended up in the tool shed insteada at the front door, eh? I do not know why. He does not know why. Don does not know why.

I think he was tryin' to steal our..."goods". Stuff we have in the shed. He says he was lookin' for the can. The can is not in the shed. I got my sushpishions. STill, we hadda apolojize for hittin' him with the bat and stuff. And the rake. But mostly the bat. And that is Don's fault, not mine. I am indigent.

STill...I think it has been a good experiens. The reason I say that is this. We are now READY to deal with a Bigfoot if one ever comes. We KNOW the flippin' drill. Enny Bigfoot that flippin' DARES to invade our place is gonna find that out and be real sorry.

I can't flippin' WAIT for the next flippin' Bigfoot invazion! Bring it on, ya hairy flipheads! The McBrides are ready for ya.

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Mar 12 - 03:15 PM

Silly boy! Check this thread and you will see that all you have to do is go out there with a package of Oreos held in such a way that it can be easily identified.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 27 Mar 12 - 10:55 PM

Seeryously?

Well, flip me and call me a plonk twister!

Why didn't I think of that? I hafta tell Don abowt this and totally, like, amaize him with my vast knollege.

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 27 Mar 12 - 11:11 PM

"plonk twister"????

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 03:31 PM

"plonk twister"???? I am gonna keep askin until you come up with somethin eh.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 06:02 PM

I think it's some sort of reference to masturbation. Male masturbation, that is. "the plonk" is a Blind River expression for the penis...but only if it's a really big one! ;-) Shane would probably claim to be an experienced plonk twister...

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 06:10 PM

For instance, a nice looking young woman walks by on the streets of Blind River or Sudbury. Shane observes her in a lascivious fashion, does a wolf whistle or some other obvious overture which the girl reacts to with considerable annoyance as she quickens her step. He then gives you the all-knowing glance, and says: "She has had the plonk, man."

(I used to actually know a few guys like Shane. Thankfully, I haven't been around any of them in years.)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: ollaimh
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 11:52 PM

when i was young and stupid--er perhaps stupider, i had a job drilling on the iskut river in north west british columbia, behind the aslaska pan handle. we were at the top of the canyon but we had to get out water from three miles away down the canyon. i was the gofer so every night i had to walk the water line to refuel the pump and do maintence. wierd forest up there. over masture giant pine. they were well spaced and averaged eight to ten feet across. biest pine i have ever seen. so i had to walk three miles with two gas cans and tools, murder going down and then i had to climb back--at least the gas was gone by then,

so one night i kept hearing noises.it got creepier and creepier. something was following my. i went faster and faster, untill it sounded like somethinf was running behind me. so i stopped and put down the gas cans and turned my flashlight behind. i saw what looked like a big up right animal with waht seemed to be a gorilla like face, this was for only ten to twenty seconds, then it disappeared. i was lucky not to crap my pants. never been so scareed. i panned the area with the light but couldn't see anything. so i went the rest of the way to the pump and stoped to get my breath. THEN I HAD TO WALK THE WHOLE WAY BACK! it was the longest walk of my life. but nothing happened on the way back.

what was it? who knows. in the middle of the night, in an over mayure forest with no star light at all and seeing something for twenty seconds at the most. it was probably a bear, but the face didn't look like a bear--but then the eyes can play tricks for such a short sighting. i didn't tell anyone, they would have teased me unmercifully.
so that's my ufo/sasquatch story

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 01:05 AM

Good story!

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Stu
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:00 AM

Brilliant thread!

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: olddude
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 09:18 AM

That is a wonderful story, I could only hope to find the critter that can toss a rock that far through the trees at me. Wow great story

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 12 - 06:38 PM

Discovery Channel ADST 9PM

Bigfoot: The Definitive Guide

(First Aired: Feb. 02, 2011)
Using a new interactive map, a team examines global hotspots and searches for explanations of sasquatch, including new theories that people may have been looking for the wrong creature all along.

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9:00 - 11:00 PMTDCC (36)All Upcoming Times
Full Episode Details

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 12 - 10:43 AM

Like saying that William Shakespeare did not write those plays and stories but a different man with the same name, it is my opinion that all the sightings and other experiences may not be of Bigfoot but of some other creature that we don't know the name of, because it is most definitely out there.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: mayomick
Date: 05 May 12 - 09:59 AM

Keep searching them thar woods Olddude, but Bigfoot may turn up here on mudcat someday. You never know what you will find on this site - a female grizzly bear is known as a sow, for instance .

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 May 12 - 10:03 AM

Given the appropriate apparatus I would just as soon be called a sow as a boar.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 05 May 12 - 02:30 PM

I thought Bigfoot was already here on Mudcat. Spaw brags about his big dick so he must be Bigfoot eh?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 11 May 12 - 08:00 PM

ADST tonight

Finding Bigfoot

Episode: Baby Bigfoot
NEWS02, E03The team heads to New York to investigate a video of baby bigfoot.

NEW
10:00 - 11:00 PMTDCC (36)

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 May 12 - 09:09 PM

saw it Gnu repeat, good one though

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: meself
Date: 11 May 12 - 11:15 PM

Don't know where I read it, but someone was saying recently that Bigfoot actually wrote the plays of William Shakespeare - in fact, 'Shakespeare' may be a variant of 'Sasquatch'. Something like that. Where did I read that?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 02:15 PM

I read it in the Bellevue weakly.

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 10:48 AM

Email...



Bigfoot a reality - DNA identifies new hominin hybrid.




;-) ... Dr. Melba S. Ketchum on Coast To Coast (C2C) last night.

"Whether they believe the results or not, the science is good." - Dr. Melba S. Ketchum




Bigfoot DNA

Sun 2012-23

Joining George Knapp, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum discusses her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/last-7-days (The show may not be archived yet)

'Bigfoot' DNA Sequenced In Upcoming Genetics Study

Five-Year Genome Study At DNA Diagnostics Yields Evidence of Homo sapiens/Unknown Hominin Hybrid Species in North America

A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch," living in North America. Researchers' extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.

The study was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of Nacogdoches, TX. In response to recent interest in the study, Dr. Ketchum can confirm that her team has sequenced 3 complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes and determined the species is a human hybrid:

"Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.

Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. "The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual," explains Ketchum.

"Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA."

Ketchum is a veterinarian whose professional experience includes 27 years of research in genetics, including forensics. Early in her career she also practiced veterinary medicine, and she has previously been published as a participant in mapping the equine genome. She began testing the DNA of purported Sasquatch hair samples 5 years ago.

Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people:

"Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a 'license' to hunt, trap, or kill them."

Full details of the study will be presented in the near future when the study manuscript publishes.

###

Dr. Ketchum is available for interview or to answer further questions about the Sasquatch genome study and associated research on novel contemporary hominins at media(at)dnadiagnostics(dot)com

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10166775.htm

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: Beer
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 11:19 AM

http://youtu.be/u-NGls9dVe4

Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: bobad
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 12:14 PM

There is, not unexpectedly, some healthy scepticism regarding this news:

http://doubtfulnews.com/2012/11/melba-ketchum-announces-bigfoot-dna-results-without-the-data/

http://www.bigfootlunchclub.com/2012/11/first-bigfoot-dna-peer-review-results.html

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 05:54 PM

Well, I just got off the phone with my Sasquatch buddy and he says he don't believe none a this here DNA stuff from the get go. I asked him to fill me in but he was on his way to get total body dreadlocks done for New Year's celebrations and then to midnight mass.

Minds me, I gotta get mine done too real quick like on accounta it's 20 to 7. It won't take long on accounta I am bald but procrastination is the thief of time, I always say.

I'll ask him to fill me in after mass. Me and Bigshot (he HATES it when I call him that) and Santa and Jesus and his right hand man Pope-eye (yeah, good guess) always hang out after mass on Christmas Eve. Last year, Janis Joplin dropped in and we sang yule songs for hours while we roasted our nuts on an open fire. I am gonna bring some DECENT wine THIS year. Last year, Jesus said he was gonna bring the wine but he messed up... had to turn water into wine and the tap water here in Moncton ain't fer shit so needer was the wine. I just hope the whores he brings are better than the skanks he arrived with last year... I mean, WHO is he hangin out with, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: finding Bigfoot or Sasquatch
From: ollaimh
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 07:26 PM

i thought ckank-el and gnu were sasquatches