BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot

Subject: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 07:24 AM

Hillary Clinton Turned Down Opportunity To Replace Biden

CNBC

"Up until just a couple of weeks ago the White House was putting out feelers to see if Hillary would accept the vice-presidential nod and replace Joe Biden. Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016," author Ed Klein told Larry Kudlow on CNBC.

"She felt that if she were on the ticket with Obama and he lost, she would be tarred as a loser when she tried to run in 2016. On the other hand, if she was on the ticket and he won, and he continued his far left-wing socialistic policies, she’d have to defend those policies when she ran in 2016," Klein later explained.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 07:29 AM

She's just another lying lawyer.
She voted in favor of going to war with Iraq.
Two faced nag.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF blahblahblah!
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:12 AM

Not news of any sort and nothing short of the typical Sawshitz troll.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:20 AM

Oh yes, and Edward Klein would know why??? He is the Commander-in-Chief of Tin-Foil-Nation and a rabid right wing looooonie...

Very credible...

Not...

But one the other hand, it wouldn't have bothered me at all if Biden had truly wanted out and Hillary was on the ticket...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:30 AM

She's an old hag and needs to be put out to pasture.
President Nincompoop (a.k.a. al-Obama)
can go find another running mate.
Maybe Sarah Palin? Ellen Degeneres? Oprah?
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:42 AM

I agree that she is kind hag-ish but she tough as nails... I think if they put Obama, Ryan, Romney and Hillary in a steel cage fight she'd whup 'um all...

Throw you in the cage with them boys, Krinkz, and wouldn't change a thing... You'd just take the #4 ass whup...

If she were my VP, I'd send her over to Russia to have a "little talk" with Putin-head...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:42 AM

Ed Klein has a history of being less than 100% accurate where Hillary Clinton is concerned. His 2005 biography of her was criticized by Politico for "serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes (that) don't gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton's life."

While I don't doubt that the possibility of Mrs. Clinton taking the VP job may have been discussed, Mr' Klein has no way of knowing if a serious offer was made. Furthermore, his assertions about her reasons for rejecting such an offer (if it was ever actually made) are pure speculation. It's just as likely that the idea was abandoned because of fears that "changing horses in midstream" would appear to be a desperate measure on Obama's part.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:51 AM

Henry-

You can always move to Missouri and vote for Atkin for US Senate. He's certainly not "an old hag" and should be right up your alley. So, how old are you and would you provide a link to your photo?

Charley Noble, drooling and senile at 70

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:56 AM

Constant personal attacks from bobette.
Just because I don't think much of his prezidential wonder Boy.
And his shrewish secretary.
Pshaw.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 09:02 AM

Why would I post my photo? So I can be stalked? Put your real name and photo out there and you're begging for trouble.
I already wrote a song about being stalked once.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 09:05 AM

And I tell you bobette, you go on and on about being a southerner.
But down here in the real south,that's Yankeetown to us. Virginia. Bah!!!
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 09:12 AM

Got news for ya, Krinkz... Most everyone one here is transparent... Only the trolls hide in the bushes...

Charley and I ain't hard to find... Might of fact, we know each other from attending the Getaway...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 10:04 AM

You can find me. You just ain't looked hard enough yet, sweetcheeks.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 10:29 AM

Anyone who can talk about "far left-wing socialistic policies" in relation to Obama is clearly so far out of touch with reality you wouldn't even trust them to tell you the time of day.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 10:50 AM

Indeed, Obama is a Socialist in the way that my local Indian newsagent's is Walmart.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 11:02 AM

Exactly the thought that immediately came to me, McGrath. ;-) Only (some) Americans....those on the conservative side...could possibly imagine even for a second that Obama is "far left-wing socialistic" in his policies! What a hilarious notion!!!

Henry, the entire world outside the borders of the USA knows darned well that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are in any way left-wing or socialist. What you have in those 2 parties is 2 gigantic cronies of corporatism and the military-industrial complex and the banking sector. Instead of establishing, for instance, a public and equal form of universal socialized health insurance, such as exists in most of the rest of the modern developed world today, Obama did a giant giveaway to the privately-owned corporate health insurance industry by forcing people to buy their overpriced insurance! That's not socialism, no matter how much the Republicans scream that it is....it's corporatism...or fascism (the two being fairly much the same thing).

The Republicans call Obama "socialist" not because he is...but because they know their support base is so ignorant about the real nature of socialism that they wouldn't know it if they fell over it. It's propaganda to sway the utterly ignorant.

Obama is considerably to the right of center in his policies. He is no socialist. He also pursues a right wing military and foreign policy agenda, one that the Republicans are basically in approval of.

There IS no political Left in the USA at the upper levels of the Democratic and Republican parties. They are both right wing corporatist parties.

One more example: Instead of nationalising criminally irresponsible banks and lending institutions after 2008, which is what a socialist would have done, Obama gave them a huge bailout, rewarding the very crooks who created the financial meltdown. To call Obama a "socialist" is so ridiculous that it could provoke only laughter or unbelieving astonishment outside the borders of the USA.

Klein either has no idea what socialism is...or more likely, he's just saying what he knows will scare a lot of Americans and make them oppose Obama.

(keep in mind that I'm not supporting Obama. I'm just telling you...he ain't no socialist!)

Hillary is a phenomenally ambitious, determined, and ruthless woman as far as I'm concerned...another corporatist...and yeah, she probably thinks it would be better for her chances in 2016 if she did not run for VP this time. She wants to be #1, not #2 standing behind Barack Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 11:12 AM

Good post Little Hawk. One of the saddest thing about those who believe in small government and 'libertarian' ideals in the US. is that they, the little people - the 99 % - are fighting FOR those who have all the money - the 1% - to oppress and control them. "Liberty" in the US is apparently conflated in the minds of the many, with the extremely rich, being "liberated" from the hideous crushing burden of paying taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 11:23 AM

I see Obama as a sell out. I agree with little hawk 100%.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 12:14 PM

"Hillary is a phenomenally ambitious, determined, and ruthless woman as far as I'm concerned."

"as far as **I'M** concerned"

well, gee... I suppose we should just nod in agreement because you say this?

Why does competent and successful have to be seen in such terms? Yes, she's 'determined', and yes, she ran for president...but she has been an amazing team player in Obama's administration, and has made NO overt move (despite Sawsaw's link) to seek either the VP slot OR to suggest another presidental bid.

I am so weary of these sweeping generalizations (as you may have noticed) about the administration. The situation of money & corporations having too much power & influence does NOT show that Obama is in league with them...it merely shows that no matter WHO is president, any change is slow and must be done within the system... by degrees.
Can you really imagine...or do you comprehend... what might have happened if Obama had tried to 'nationalize the banks'? He is not trying to house-train a puppy... he is facing barely controlled lions & tigers, with only a whip and cap pistol! Now.... IF he had a 60+ majority in the Senate and maybe 275 seats in the House, you might see some significant regulation of Wall Street, various corporate dealings and environmental issues...etc.
Obama is president, not king, and he had 2 years of a Congress that was mostly with him, while dealing with wars we shouldn't have been in and a financial crisis verging on a depression. It is easy to 2nd guess 'what he should have done'..................and boy do I see a lot of it going on!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 12:41 PM

Where is there any contradiction between "ambitious, determined, and ruthless" and "competent and successful", Bill? I take it you wouldn't object to "ambitious and determined", so presumably it would be "ruthless" you object to.

It's hard to think of many (if any) successful politicians who don't have a ruthless streak.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 12:45 PM

Remember when she started blubbering and crying about the direction the country was moving in? Back when she was running against the prez? If all else fails, cry.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 01:14 PM

No, I don't remember that, Krinkz...

And for the hundredth time, LH... You are parroting Republican propaganda... They have painstakenly planted the both-sides, twiddle-dee-twiddle-dum mantra to give them cover for their bullying behavior...

"Come on, Bubba... Let's round up the boys and go down to that town hall meeting and scare the hell outta everyone"...

(((((((spit))))))

"You lie!"....

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"2nd amendment remedies"....

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"Hell no, we won't!"....

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Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns and more guns...

This ain't both sides, LH...

You need to read "It's Even Worse Than It Looks, How the American Constitutional System Collidedf With the New Politics of Extremism", a collaboration between Norman J. Ornstein of the right leaning American Enterprise Institute and Thomas E. Mann of the left leaning Brookings Institute... Or...

...read their summary in their article printed in the "Washington Post" on April 27 of this year entitled "Let's just say it: The Republicans are the problem"...

Maybe if you would do that you would see the damage you inflict on discussions with your parroting of well-crafted and slick Republican propaganda...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 01:28 PM

Mr. Allison, is it your intent to purposefully be so insulting? Do men not cry in your cultural background?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 01:31 PM

"Where is there any contradiction between "ambitious, determined, and ruthless" and "competent and successful", Bill? I take it you wouldn't object to "ambitious and determined", so presumably it would be "ruthless" you object to."

I don't see a contradiction, other than I would point out that LH qualified that by *phenomenally* ambitious. What gets up my nose is the evident distinction made between a powerful woman and a powerful man. I think that *competent and successful* is far more often used to describe a man than a woman(while *ruthless* is more frequently used to describe despots, dictators and tyrants, and I object to that usage in this context).

To my mind, as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has been loyal, focused and effective.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 01:33 PM

Well bobert ,just go to youtube.

Do a search of Hillary Clinton Crying
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I haven't figured out the link thing here yet.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 02:01 PM

A few random thoughts on the subject:

If Obama really wanted Hillary as his VP, she would have been given the opportunity to be on the ticket in 2008.

Hillary exercises more genuine political power as Secretary of State than she ever would in the largely ceremonial job of VP.

Assuming Obama wins a second term and that H. is retained as Secretary of State, she will be able to resign her post in, say, 2014, and devote 100% of her time to seeking the presidency, unenumbered by any official duties. As VP, she'd still have official duties to work around.

Hillary's already been Bill's de facto co-president. She doesn't need the vice-presidency as "training wheels" for the top job. She already knows how to ride that bicycle.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: kendall
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 02:30 PM

At least she had a reason to cry, not like Mr. Boner.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 02:37 PM

I think she's running the show this time around too. Healthcare was her big thing during Billy's first term.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:02 PM

But really. Arguing politics is a dead end.
I don't like any of them.
And it's boring.
Let's talk about........anything else.........
Do you like to fish? What for?
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:03 PM

"Crying" and "blubbering" are not the same...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:08 PM

Ok then. Babbling.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:08 PM

McGrath... "ambitious" in Little Hawk's post, seems to me to be clearly meant as a criticism that suggests that it is her personal status that she is pursuing, rather than a basic goal of progress toward an ideal.

I do not reject 'ambition' generically, but I saw it in the context of overall criticism.

And Ebbie said it better.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:09 PM

I mean blabbering.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:13 PM

Trout...in the little burn behind my cottage.
Used to get salmon but they dont run as far as here nowadays.
Mackerel in the salt water (loch Fyne)....with spinners

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:13 PM

I like to fish for Spotted Bass. Also known as Kentucky Bass. Micropterus Punctulatus

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:17 PM

I like using spinners. Good in the spring. Plastic worms. I like trolling with Rapala floating minnow plugs.(:-( ))=

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:24 PM

Saw a picture of a huge catfish in the paper...anybody caught one...do they taste good?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:33 PM

Can someone please change the title of this thread to "Lunatic Fuckwit Babbles on TV" ?

Thanks.

[We could-but some might just be encouraged to babble even more-rather like perpetual motion]

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:37 PM

Never caught one of those big cats. Mostly channel cats. About a pound or two.
Good eating.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 03:56 PM

LOL, Greg.

What gets up my nose is the evident distinction made between a powerful woman and a powerful man. I think that *competent and successful* is far more often used to describe a man than a woman(while *ruthless* is more frequently used to describe despots, dictators and tyrants, and I object to that usage in this context).

You said it, Ebbie. A man is "assertive"; a woman "aggressive"...bunch of misogynistic bullshitters, imo.

Wonder how Mrs. Allison feels about the mister being that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 04:07 PM

I love to catch carp though I won't eat one.
Ugly fish. Fight like hell.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 04:17 PM

I think, like Plato, that those who want to be politicians, are generally unsuited to the job.
I think, generally speaking, that anyone who has profound desire to tell others what to do, probably aught not to be allowed to do so.
I think also, that you have to be a ruthless SOB to become a powerful politician, man or woman; though considering the social obstacles in the way of a woman - and considering Maggie -then probably doubly so.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 04:23 PM

..for a woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 06:15 PM

My criticism of Hillary Clinton, ladies, is pretty much the same as my criticism of most successful male politicians. It's not the fact that she's a woman that I'm focusing on at all (you're doing that in your misplaced defensive reaction TO what I said), it's the fact that she's a corporatist politician that I'm focusing on. In other words, don't be so foolish as to play the spurious "gender card" on me. I'd frankly much rather see women running the world if I had to make a choice between the 2 genders. I think they'd do a far better job of it than the men do. And I've always felt that way about it.

I consider women to be the more sensible, practical, and idealistic half of the human race, and I'm generally delighted to see them taking positions of leadership.

The nature of the present corporate system, however, brutalizes the people who ascend in its ranks. That tends to affect the women too, I'm sorry to say, and we end up with monsters like Margaret Thatcher now and then.

BillD - You object to me simply stating that something is my own opinion? (grin) Wow! I am feeling sooooo guilty for having stated an opinion YOU don't agree with! Ouch! I have trodden upon sacred ground. Punish me, Bill, beat me, put me in chains!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 06:27 PM

Bream put up a good fight. The only problem with them is catching them big enough to eat. Kind of bony. But tasty.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 07:29 PM

Little Hawk... I object to stating an opinion in terms that suggest you view it as **fact**...as in "...it's the [fact] that she's a corporatist politician..." I don't need agreement.. just clarity.

How about I find you a good manual on debate format instead of chains?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:03 PM

Bait and lure? Pussies. Real men fish fly only. Otherwise, yer just trollin fer dumb fish.

Oh, yeah... and, I am gonna get shat on fer this... haulin a fish around only fer the fun of it is cruel. If ya ain't gonna eat it, keep yer rod outta the water.

As far as Hillary bein a slut, she's far above that.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:44 PM

"In other words, don't be so foolish as to play the spurious "gender card" on me."

Sometimes, Little Hawk, you are nuance-blind and foolish. In my opinion. Not necessarily a *fact*, you understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:59 PM

Carp are a nuisance fish. Non native invasive species. Get them any way possible.
I catch the rest to eat.
I use lures. Not bait.
Fly fishing?
Save it for a windy day.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 09:14 PM

Who called Hillary a slut? I missed that.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 09:33 PM

I think I've discovered a way to deal with some of the off-subject kibbitzers and trolls hear on this thread.

There's a thread currently running on how to cure foot fungus. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 10:20 PM

We peons need to study that...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 03:52 AM

POLITICS, n.

A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.

Bierce

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 04:49 AM

Never done any salt water fishing to speak of. I'd like to give it a try. Catch a Great White Shark. Or a big Grouper.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 09:40 AM

Do you agree that Hillary has a better chance of winning in 1216 if Obama loses in 2012?

___ Strongly Agree

___ Somewhat Agree

___ Somewhat Disagree

___ Strongly Disagree

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: olddude
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 11:02 AM

Hillary is one of the most kind person I know. She is scary smart, awesome sense of humor. I love Hillary one of my favorite people in the world and good friend. One other thing, she could care less what others call her.

Now as for fishing .. fly only .. that is the most fun. The guys here all go out with their down riggers, fish finders, high tech poles .. crap .. may as well use a net. Catch a big ass salmon on a fly, then you did something fun

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: olddude
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 11:27 AM

by the way, no worries, Hillary will not run again nor accept after she leaves office she will leave politics. Her and Bill want to do their charity work and are waiting to get into the grandparent business

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 11:45 AM

We only have big striped bass here. I've never caught one. You need heavier tackle than I use. People either use live bait or bucktail jigs to catch them.
Best fishing for them in the dead of winter at night. With a boat.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:08 PM

"Best fishing for them in the dead of winter at night. With a boat."

I've been doing that for years after a half dozen rum toddies. It is a sob to get that boat out on the ice.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:28 PM

I think a hook might damage them less than a boat. It'd be hard to clean a squished fish, too. If you really want to beat them up before you eat them, you could maybe get a little hammer, and when you catch one, hit it on the head just hard enough to knock it out. I think it's bad for your karma to hit fish though, and might just damage your karma so you'll come back in your next life as a minnow, or even a bug.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:30 PM

Find out what Jeri's taking and I'll have some, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:35 PM

"I think a hook might damage them less than a boat."

"Might damage them", Jeri? Who cares- get real. They're dead.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:49 PM

I just bought a CD by Trout Fishing in America for $2.98.

The average cost of fish in my local market is near $12.00 a pound.

The CD will last longer than a pound of fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:55 PM

It's so tasty too.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:06 PM

If we discuss Leftover Salmon and Phish this thread may have to go into the music section.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:12 PM

How about The Skillet Lickers? What's your favorite tune by them? I like the one about the gentleman in the woodpile.
I bought my Dobro from an old man that said he used to play with them.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scs7c5RiV9I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Will this link work??

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:24 PM

I have couple of songs by them but no album or CD (yet). Reiley Puckett, Clayton McMichen, Gid Tanner, etc. Great group.

Did they do the first version of "Ragged But Right"?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:47 PM

I don't know. They're still together as far as I know.
Phil Tanner leads them nowadays. I imagine all the original members are dead.
They practice about 10 miles away from my place.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 02:33 PM

I have an LP of Gid & the Skillet Lickers.... haven't played it in years.


and... re: fish... there used to be some wonderful channel cat in the Big Arkansas near Wichita. They are full of bones, but wonderful eating.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 03:07 PM

"The first recording made with the Skillet Lickers was 'Hand Me Down My Walking Cane', recorded in Atlanta on April 17, 1926. It was released by Columbia on a 78rpm disc backed with 'Watermelon On the Vine'. The group would eventually record more than 100 songs for Columbia before splitting up in 1931. Three years later, Tanner and Puckett reformed the Skillet Lickers and had several releases on Bluebird Records. Tanner stopped making records in 1934, but continued performing into his seventies."

That three year hiatus seems to disqualify the Skillet Lickers from "the longest continually performing musical group" in America, a title which belongs to the Sons of the Pioneers (1933-date).

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: gnu
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 03:26 PM

Hank... "Fly fishing? Save it for a windy day."

Real men know how to fly fish on a windy day. I learned from Ted Williams. Great story... IMO, of course. Reader's Digested... after ya wrap yer line around yer head, pull yer hat down and keep yer head down so nobody knows who ya are.

Seriously tho... real men can and do fly fish on windy days.

Salt water fishin is different. Never been on a big boat and dunno if I would care to go. Caught shark, smelt, mackerel, Arctic char... jigged cod. Fishin jack smelt and mackerel from shore in Aug & Sep on a full moon near dark is deeeeelicious. Gather various clams, crabs, mussels, periwinkles and a shitload of others and ya got a helluva BBQ on the beach. No fly fishin tho.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 03:44 PM

Salt water is hundreds of miles away.
I've played with fly rods, but not very seriously.
Spinning outfits. Light line.
Channel cats are the only cats I like eating.
Spotted bass are the best.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 03:50 PM

Well give me a month and I will bury you in fresh salmon. The run starts around the first of october and I catch pounds and pounds of them. I throw them back unless someone likes eating salmon .. I don't no kidding .. rather eat a bug. Not much of a fish eater except for small native brook trout

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 04:34 PM

I never liked salmon much. Smoked is ok. I suppose if it was cooked right.
Trout are good. They stock Browns and Rainbows at the river. They're stupid and don't put up much of a fight.
I'd rather catch bass.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 04:35 PM

"...a criticism that suggests that it is her personal status that she is pursuing, rather than a basic goal of progress toward an ideal.

I suppose it is not inconceivable that there are successful politicians who are not personally ambitious. Pretty hard to think of any. I rather doubt if Hilary Clinton would be one.

"a basic goal of progress toward an ideal" is also of course pretty useful, and I imagine Hilary Clinton likely has her share of that. But it's more of a bomus than an essential. I can think of a few politicians who seem to have been pretty "successful" without too much of that. The last Clinton, Blair, just for starters...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 04:53 PM

My observation of both Clintons brought me very quickly to the conclusion that they only tell people what they think they want to hear.
Then go do what they please.
They are two faced liars.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 05:07 PM

How unusual for a politician, Henry...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 05:17 PM

That's what I said in the beginning.
Just another lying lawyer.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 05:56 PM

Anybody like fresh mackerel fried in oatmeal with plenty salt and pepper......lovely mmmmm.

We used to catch them with feathers on a line six at a time.
We loaded up the boat and passed them round all the neighbours for miles.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 06:33 PM

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I suppose it is not inconceivable that there are successful politicians who are not personally ambitious. Pretty hard to think of any.

Hmmm.. I personally have met several. At least, their public behavior seemed to show that. You can 'suppose' they were just hiding their real motives...but *shrug*


Want some names? (They are US...but..)

Try former Senator Wayne Morse of Oregon.. or former Senator William Proxmire of Wisconsin who, "In his last two Senate campaigns of 1976 and 1982, Proxmire refused to take any campaign contributions, and on each spent less than $200 out of his own pocket"

Also look at retiring congressman Barney Frank of Fourth Congressional District of Massachusetts....and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who does an excellent job of seeming to be about the country rather than self...(whatever you may think of his slightly Socialist leanings)

I personally knew Representative Dan Glickman of Kansas who did a pretty good job of sounding like his major focus was on policy rather than personal gain, and ended up being well respected by BOTH parties.

I even include Al Gore, who wrote books on environmental issues before he was VP. HE wrote them...and recorded them for books-on-tape. His current focus in on global warming.
I suppose that any successful politician can profit FROM his efforts, but in this world, you need a bit of financial independence to even TRY to be influential in good causes.


So... in a couple hours, I could remember & find more, but they DO exist. I have seen several interviewed in recent months who at least sounded honest and dedicated....but names not on top of my head right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 07:38 PM

I would add to my list Rep. Henry Waxman of California

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 07:52 PM

Best not forget Bernie Sanders.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 08:15 PM

Bernie was in my list.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 08:30 PM

Sorry, Bill. I got tuned and I missed it . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 08:48 PM

Being in tune is a virtue,,,,,,,,

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 10:41 PM

nothing more fun then catching a big bass .. we have some huge small mouth bass here. I mean 8 lbs that is huge for a smallie

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 08:13 PM

With all the fishy posts, people seem to have lost interest in this thread. I am curious whether McGrath found any relevance in my post about decent politicians...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 01:00 AM

Evidently Hillary is fishy.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 12:55 PM

You do have way of degrading a conversation, Sawz

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 03:10 PM

Bill, I would nominate Jim McDermott, congressional representative from Washington State's 7 th District (which includes Seattle) as a politician with genuine honesty and integrity—along with a willingness to stick his neck out for his constituents and for the American people in general.

He was given a tape by two people in Florida who had accidentally intercepted a telephone conversation between Newt Gingrich and John Boehner. They recognized that what the two were cooking up was both illegal and unethical. They taped the conversation, and because McDermott was on the Congressional Ethics Committee at the time, they gave it to him. McDermott presented it to the committee—but Republican Ethics Committee chairperson Nancy L. Johnson refused to act on it, and refused to allow the tape to be entered into the Ethics Committees records!

So McDermott, feeling that American citizens should be aware of what their elected representatives were up to, gave the tape to the press.

Boehner and Gingrich, boldly unrepentant for getting caught with their pants down and their hands in the cookie jar, sued McDermott! McDermott lost the law suit, and the appeals, on the basis that McDermott's act in giving the tape to the press was not "consistent with the spirit of the Ethics Committee (!!).

Jim McDermott is the kind of person who is willing to put it on the line for the American people, even when he knows that he'll probably get into deep do-do with some people for doing so!

In my book, he's one of the Good Guys!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 11:35 PM

Even though Hillary dresses tacky, screeches a lot and seems fishy, I would prefer her over Obama if I had my druthers.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Turns Down VP Slot
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 27 Aug 12 - 03:36 AM

I've never caught a Smallmouth Bass. They're further north from where I live.
Lots of Spotted Bass here.
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