BS: The GOP will steal the election [2012]

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 02:13 PM

Want to be proactive on this issue?

Here's something you can do about it.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:34 PM

Old Dude, there is no conspiracy here. No tin foil hats. This crap is going on now and if you want Romney in, I guess it doesn't matter to you. This applies to Kat as well.

You are both in denial if you think that the System isn't broken.

I'd call this "faith based" voting.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:28 PM

The problem with the optical scanners is that the count is run through machines which invalidate the point of paper ballots being accurate. A recount is really just a reprint after the flipping takes place.

Hackers can easily access the voting machines.

Here's something you all ought to pay attention to if you value your vote.

Hanky panky in Washington State

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Arkie
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:15 PM

Here is a link to the Alter-Net which I had never heard of until a few moments ago. It sure sounds plausible to me, but I have no verification. The link is to an article about GOP voter fraud. A bit confusing since the GOP has been promoting procedures to stop election fraud and have been unable to prove any instances of fraud in the past. And now there is proof and the GOP is ignoring it.

Scandal

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:12 PM

BB, the Texas map was gerrymandered beyond recognition. Both side do something like this, but I saw your map and it had no explanation on that site.   As I mentioned before, the explanatory site was inaccessible (not found).

HuffPost has this article which I have retitled:

Kiss democracy goodbye.

"unless the Repugs have bought out most of the companies that provide the vote-counting machines."

LH, this is actually what the crooked GOP'ers have done.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: pdq
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:57 PM

about Greg F'ing Moron...

Greg's...I think the way he talks to other people on this forum (whenever he disagrees with them about something) is absolutely shameful. He's either got a serious anger management problem or he is just completely without respect for anyone who doesn't see something his way. Or both. It's a pathetic level of behaviour for an adult to demonstrate. ~ Little Hawk

At least someone has the cojones to say that.

How can there be discussion of serious issues with this little baffoon around?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:35 PM

Hey, BB, I'm on Greg's side...politically speaking...but I think the way he talks to other people on this forum (whenever he disagrees with them about something) is absolutely shameful. He's either got a serious anger management problem or he is just completely without respect for anyone who doesn't see something his way. Or both. It's a pathetic level of behaviour for an adult to demonstrate.

The reason I don't comment on it much is...

1. I don't think it would do any good. He's not gonna change!
2. I don't particulary want to draw his toxic nastiness in my own direction.

And now I have! ;-D Time to get out the iron umbrella and wait for the incoming mortar rounds and shit bombs.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:25 PM

Greg F.,

You may have the approval of the bigots here,but to tell someone not to discuss the topic of a thread is a little overboard, even for a lying scum-sucker like yourself.

Yet I know no-one who supports the side you are on will call you on it- they prove themselves to be a bigoted as you have demonstrated yourself to be.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:10 PM

Rave on, Beardie - or conversely get the professional help you so desperately need.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:09 PM

I think both parties cheat all the time...any way they possibly can. I think it's standard procedure. Since they both do it, they also both accuse the other of doing it...naturally! ;-) More standard procedure. In the end, the side that cheats most effectively, lies most effectively, and spends the most money most effectively is the one that will win....unless they've already completely trashed their reputation with the previous 4-8 years of idiocy in office, in which case they'll lose regardless of what they try to do. And...if the economy tanks just before the election, then the incumbent party WILL lose the election.

That was the position the Republicans were in in 2008, after 8 hideous years of George Bush.

Obama's position at present is not that vulnerable, however, so he stands a good chance of winning....unless the Repugs have bought out most of the companies that provide the vote-counting machines.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:06 PM

Greg F,

Since your comment does not address the point of my post ( the blatant gerrymandering under a Demcrap governor and legislature) I will remind all here that

YOU have stated that the statement

"is Black and a Democrat."

was the same thing to you as

"was a Dumb Ni--er"

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:21 AM

Florida was rigged from the get-go... Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" goes thru the extraordinary events that Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris cooked up to disenfranchise black voters before the election... Take that book and couple it with Alan Dershowitz's book "Supreme Injustice" it is apparent that not only was the 2000 election stolen but that the plans and contingency plans in place well before the election...

Also, it is a fact that Diebold who made/makes and operates voting machines in many states is a major Republican donor...

Conspiracy theories??? No... Facts??? Yes...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 09:32 AM

Righto, B Bruce, ya mean stealing elections like Florida in 2000? Give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 09:26 AM

Like Kat, I don't buy into the conspiracy. No doubt dirty tricks are pulled in elections .. just look at the TV ads. However, with voting I still believe in America and that the system works. They made a lot of changes to avoid the hanging chad shit

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 09:15 AM

No, wronger, it's not "all racism" but the entire Republican "Southern Strategy" revolves around racism and the "Southern Strategy" puts 12 states into the Republican column without having to work up a sweat...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 08:08 AM

Stringsinger,

The 2nd was a WashPo editorial.

Did you even look at the election district map? THAT is what one gets when the Democraps steal elections. Makes TEXAS look fair, for God's sake!

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:47 AM

Shazpot, that was me.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:35 AM

I'll do better next time :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:18 AM

Hey, no problem. I was not offended.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:16 PM

That sounded offensive and I didn't mean it to be, LH. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:14 PM

Righto.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM

Fine and thank you, but my question was addressed to Songwronger.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:10 PM

What to do?   Well, Bruce, what would you do if you were living in Germany in 1933 and the Nazis were busy firming up their new government and getting ready to pass some emergency legislation...to deal with issues like "homeland security"? Kind of like Bush and Obama have done in the last 12 years.

What would you do?

I'd get the hell out of Germany if I could. Or I'd hunker down and prepare for bad times ahead if I couldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:50 PM

"You morons. Romney's a fruitcake and an unrepentant fascist. Obama jukes this way and that to hide his fascism, but not Romney. He's going to be wearing the Russian General's hat and goosestepping his way into the state of the union speeches. You freakin morons."

So, tell us what to do oh wise one. Cut the chit chat and lay it out.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:36 PM

So are you going to fight the good fight, Bobert? It's all racism, you know. If Obama loses, it's only because he's black. And that's not right, right? You going to riot?

What the fuck did you Democrats do here? The powers that be put another head-case up against Obama. They recruited an also-ran from 2008 and set him up as a slap-down, but Obama with his limp wrist wasn't up to the slapping. And Romney's nuttier than McCain. I mean, how'd the hell did you people blow it? Obama proved he was a traitor by going to a church where the pastor preached Godd*m America, but Romney calls himself a saint and believes that God lives on the planet Kolob. Oh, and Jesus will reappear in Jackson County, Missouri.

You morons. Romney's a fruitcake and an unrepentant fascist. Obama jukes this way and that to hide his fascism, but not Romney. He's going to be wearing the Russian General's hat and goosestepping his way into the state of the union speeches. You freakin morons.

Subject: RE: BS: The DEMS will steal the election
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:02 PM

Voter Fraud Complaint Filed Against Fla. Democrats: AP
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Voter-Fraud-Complaint-Filed-Against-Fla-Democrats-AP-172902641.html


Feds to probe possible voter fraud in Florida
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/279350/250/Florida-voters-receiving-hoax-letters
"Voters are getting letters that look like they are from local elections offices, questioning their citizenship. But our sister statoin[sic] WKMG Local 6 in Orlando has learned the letters are fake, and they are going out across Central Florida and other parts of the state.

"Officials said the voters who have received the letters thus far are white, registered Republicans who consistently vote in elections."

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:57 PM

BS, wronger...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:50 PM

Looks like the Republican's won't have to steal the election after all. Romney's now ahead in the polls, the debates are past, and all Romney has to do is shut the hell up for a couple of weeks and he's in. Who'd've thought it? Romney is a freaking nutcase. He's worse than McCain, if that's possible. But damned if Obama didn't blow it in the debates. The Prez. The cool one. Stumbled around like a teenaged stoner while Romney radiated that presidential glow. So now we're going to get an honest-to-God cult member in the white house. No telling what Obama is, with all his sealed records, but Romney's a certifiably insane member of a cult.

Obama's best move now is to scream Theft and then run off overseas. He signed the extension of the USA Patriot Act while he was in a Paris hotel room (totally illegal to do that, but he set the precedent), and now I wonder if that precedent wasn't set so he can rule in abstentia. When he gets his ass deservedly kicked, will he refuse to leave office and try ruling from Paris? Will the Bobert Brigade take up arms and riot for him?

As if it makes any difference:

Republicans, Democrats attacking Americans in bipartisan push for savage austeri

...there is today a consensus between Wall Street and Washington that draconian austerity must be imposed in the United States. This will be the case no matter whether Obama or Romney wins the upcoming election. Romney has been very open about his determination to rule in the name of the top 1% of financiers and oligarchs, while imposing hardships and sacrifices on the rest of the population. Obama is somewhat more discreet, but he also has clearly signaled his desire for a sweeping austerity program to be agreed on by the two major US parties as soon as possible, probably before the end of this year....

Observers have noted that Obama and Biden, in their three debates held so far with their Republican rivals, have never mentioned the traditional Democratic Party platform planks of raising the minimum wage; preserving the funding of the food stamp program (the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program of the US Department Of Agriculture) which keeps some 50 million Americans alive; maintaining and extending unemployment insurance payments to the jobless; or making it easier for trade unions to organize....

Intelligent trade unionists have not forgotten that, when the entire state of Wisconsin was gripped by a de facto general strike against the fascist Governor Walker in February-March 2011, Obama refused to lift a finger to help them. Obama could have sent in Vice President Biden, who pretends to be a populist, to support the strikers. He could have sent Attorney General Eric Holder to frighten the Walker gang with the prospect of federal indictments. He could have sent Labor Secretary Hilda Solis to investigate violations of the labor law. Obama could even have gone to Wisconsin himself, something he had promised to do in his 2000 campaign. But Obama did nothing....

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:44 PM

BB, your second link was "not found". The first showed a redistricting map without any explanation.

Kucinich was gerry mandered out of a job in Ohio. Guess who did that?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:41 PM

Here's some more news for you regarding the military's absentee ballots.


What democracy?

The only flipping besides Mitt will be the e-voting numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 02:44 PM

Well! ;-) I have to say that's a pretty amusing comment for anyone to make about themselves, Ebbie. Sounds like that relative of yours had a degree of humility and the ability to laugh at themselves, and that's always a good thing.

I do hope the damned Repugs lose, cos they are even worse than their erstwhile opponents on the other wing of the great big Eagle.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 02:30 PM

"The USA mass media like cliffhanger elections. It increases public interest and voter turnout. Besides, a USA election (actually any election) is a giant soap opera, and to have a good soap opera you need some dramatic tension and an uncertain ending.

"So it's all unfolding just as they would wish."

Pronouncements such as this, George, are off-putting, to say the least. They remind me of a relative of mine who said: I'd better shut up. I've already said more than I know.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:55 PM

Not to fear, ya'll...

Yes, Boss Hog & Co., the Republican led statehouses, the Supreme Court and the Corporate Media are all (and have been) actively trying to defeat Obama... And I will give them credit for with everything that have done collectively they have badly damaged Obama (as well as the nation) but...

...the safe bet is on Obama winning in spite of their efforts...

And...

...picking up an additional Senate seat and 14 - 17 House seats...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:51 PM

Take a look at the new map for MD district 3 and tell me which party is trying to steal elections...

http://www.mdp.state.md.us/PDF/Redistricting/2010maps/Cong/Dist_3.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-maryland-redistricting/2012/10/19/dc06c282-1967-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:46 PM

The USA mass media like cliffhanger elections. It increases public interest and voter turnout. Besides, a USA election (actually any election) is a giant soap opera, and to have a good soap opera you need some dramatic tension and an uncertain ending.

So it's all unfolding just as they would wish.

And then too...it's far easier to steal the election if it's a really close one. People are less likely to notice something is wrong with the final result.

So...who will it be this time? The Tweedledeemocrats? Or the Tweedledumlicans? I am biting my nails here. I don't think I can take much more of this suspense.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:38 PM

This election is shaping up to be a cliff-hanger. Watching from the sidelines since I became a Canadian, but the results will affect Canada as well.

I fear the slash and burn candidates running for Congress on the Republican ticket will harm relations with Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:23 PM

"A Maryland Democratic candidate quit her congressional race Monday after her own party told state officials that she had committed fraud by voting in both Maryland and Florida in recent elections."

I hope the Republicans would do something honourable like that.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: pdq
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:18 PM

A Maryland Democratic candidate quit her congressional race Monday after her own party told state officials that she had committed fraud by voting in both Maryland and Florida in recent elections.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/maryland-democrat-quits-congressional-race-amid-vote-fraud-allegation



A Maryland Democratic candidate quit her congressional race Monday after her own party told state officials that she had committed fraud by voting in both Maryland and Florida in recent elections.

Wendy Rosen, a small-business owner running against freshman Rep. Andy Harris (R) in the Eastern Shore-based 1st Congressional District, released a statement saying that "with great regret, and much sorrow" she was resigning from the contest.

"Personal issues have made this the hardest decision that I have had to make," Rosen said

Rosen's announcement came the same day the state Democratic party released a letter to state Attorney General Douglas Gansler and state prosecutors reporting the allegations against Rosen.

"The Maryland Democratic Party has discovered that Ms. Rosen has been registered to vote in both Florida and Maryland since at least 2006; that she in fact voted in the 2006 general election both in Florida and Maryland; and that she voted in the presidential preference primaries held in both Florida and Maryland in 2008," wrote Yvette Lewis, the state party chair. "This information is based on an examination of the voter files from both states. We believe that this is a clear violation of Maryland law and urge the appropriate office to conduct a full investigation."

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:43 AM

The Civitas Institute supports the claim that the GOP is actively and illegally fixing the election in their favor.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:41 AM

Saw, this interview Susan Myrick of the Civitas Institute is obviously doing something illegal in registering Democratic voters over 100. Civitas Institute which is a right wing organization and full of Republican propaganda, not to be taken as a credible
source of information. It's utter bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 06:17 AM

North Carolina Registers Over 583 Democrat Votes Over the Age of 112

Perhaps in an effort to promote North Carolina as one of the healthiest States in the Nation, this latest voter twist comes to us from Susan Myrick of the Civitas Institute in North Carolina--not to be confused with Rep. Sue Myrick of NC who is unrelated. In a radio interview with local WBT Anchor Tara Servatious, Susan reports that she has been keeping track of the number of votes in North Carolina of individuals over the age of 110 years and apparently we have quite a few, over 410 of the 110 year olds--to be exact-- actually voted via absentee ballot on October the 28th. Yes indeed, now it would appear that good ole NC has the market cornered on the Centenarian vote.

    At latest count, Susan has garnered a total Absentee Ballot vote of over 2,660 people over the age of 110....

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 09:45 PM

This is shaping up to be the first two billion dollar election in history.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 12:55 PM

Akenaton,
The campaigns (candidates) raise money. *That* is about equal (albeit from different sources...Obama gets 55% of his money from donations less than $200 while Romney gets 45% of his money from donations above the $2500 limit). Other groups can raise and spend as long as they do not coordinate with the campaigns. This money is many times larger than the actual campaign money, and Repubs raise 10X what Dems do in this.
And yes, disgustingly, in the USA, the candidate that spends the most money (or has the most spent on him/her by outside groups) wins the election over 75% of the time.
That is why US progressives have been fighting Citizens United so hard. Our elections can, in fact, be bought.
We used to be one person - one vote.
We are now one dollar - one vote.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 12:48 PM

"If the DEMS don't match the REPUGS in terms of funding, they lose!

Simples!..........To anybody who has lived on Planet Earth for long enough to realise that US elections most often go with the guy who fields the most MOOLA!
"


Yet the same does not apply to the Republicans?


I guess it is wrong for EITHER side to try to win the election, unless the bigots here (who apply the rules ONLY to those they disagree with) approve.

What s foolish bunch of Democraps.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 12:41 PM

If the DEMS don't match the REPUGS in terms of funding, they lose!

Simples!..........To anybody who has lived on Planet Earth for long enough to realise that US elections most often go with the guy who fields the most MOOLA!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 12:26 PM

Sorry Tia....what do you mean by the outside groups?

The figures in the UK Times pertained to the total amount raised.

and why do both parties need such inordinate amounts of money?
Does the media really rule to that extent.....buying elections?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 11:49 AM

Akenaton,
The big money is in the outside groups - uncoordinated with the campaigns themselves. Here the Repubs have out raised and outspent the Dems by an order of magnitude.
Thanks to Citizens United of course...

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 11:28 AM

Here's something else you might want to consider about the theft of the next election.


http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/business/corporate_fraud/news.php?q=1350879332

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 11:23 AM

aketon, don't know where you've been but US liberals have been protesting the Citizen's United ruling ever since it became law. I would like to see the source of your claim that Democrats have outspent Republicans in raising money. What peripheral social issues are you referring to? I think as an outsider, you really don't know what's going on in this country to make such a specious claim.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 05:12 AM

Jack... one would think that if the Republicans were indeed the party of the "better off", they would be able to outperform the Democrats who are supposed to represent the poor?

The figures I was quoting come from UK newspapers who strongly support President Obama.

I also find the amounts of money involved slightly nausiating....from both parties.
Why dont the US liberals protest about this, rather than peripheral social issues?
I think your political system requires a little attention.