BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite

Subject: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:34 PM

A smoke filled Romney

300% increase in Russian smoking due to Romney's push at Bain Capital through their serving British American Tobacco as facilitator.

Mormons are traditionally opposed vehemently to smoking.

Bain helped Philip Morris with Mitt's blessing to hook Americans on tobacco.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:39 PM

Ah, yes...but the RULING religion of both Mormons and of the USA in general is the worship of money, Stringsinger. And the worship of profit!

Therefore, Mitt is serving the greater purposes of the Divine Dollar by helping to sell more cigarettes to Russians, and he IS upholding his true faith! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:42 PM

"I don't smoke, but I know people are going to smoke. I might as well get their money as anyone."

To Romney's sort, that make perfect sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 03:46 PM

I never thought the term religious hypocrite was an oxymoron

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: gnu
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 04:09 PM

Romney is an omnimoron.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 05:01 PM

"Romney is a religious hypocrite"

Why qualify it? He's a hypocrite, period. This ain't news.

Take 5 minutes and view this.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 08:43 PM

He might have thought that he was doing the world some good by allowing the Russians to partake of this vice - and shortening their lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:02 PM

Hey, he has said that Russia is our #1 enemy, right???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:07 PM

He will have changed his mind on that by now, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:12 PM

Oh yeah... It's been 15 minutes... My bad...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 09:35 PM

A Mormon comes home early from work and finds his teenaged daughter in bed with some strange boy. He flies into a rage.

"Don't you know," he storms at his daughter, "that this is the kind of irresponsible behavior that can lead to drinking coffee and smoking!!???"

Don Firth

P. S. Before anyone gets on my case, that was told to me BY a Mormon!

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:07 PM

"P. S. Before anyone gets on my case, that was told to me BY a Mormon!"

Screw whoever gets on your case, Don. If s/he can't take a joke . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:59 PM

Doctrines and Covenants, Section 89. (Bobert, note the part about herb!)

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:13 AM

"10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—"

Whew! That was close.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:23 AM

"strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies."   Film at eleven?

"hot drinks are not for the body or belly." Is cocoa forbidden?

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:25 AM

Well, Franklin Graham has removed Mormonism from the "cult list"... BTW, according to Frankie, his father Billy is all for Romney???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:46 AM

10:23 was me.

Somewhat seriously: Are any of you aware of any more or less "authoritative" Mormon statements on how those statements on herb relate to marijuana usage? Or, have you encountere any Mormons who defend marijuana usage from those references? Just asking in terms of piqued curiousity, not trying to make anything an issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 11:24 AM

You figure it out. Note that they are talking about members of the Church, not everyone else. Mormons make decisions for themselves only -- really!

We deplore the practice of many business and professional firms and others who serve liquor as a part of the entertainment in their special parties. We are especially concerned that at Christmas time many celebrate this holy birth of Jesus Christ our Lord with a so-called social hour which surely must be an affront to him. Is it not a sad reflection upon people to have to drink to have a good time, or to take a stimulant to give them energy or self-assurance?

We hope our people will eliminate from their lives all kinds of drugs so far as possible. Too many depend upon drugs as tranquilizers and sleep helps, which is not always necessary.

Certainly numerous young people have been damaged or destroyed by the use of marijuana and other deadly drugs. We deplore such.
          --Spencer W. Kimball, President of the LDS Church, General Conference, October, 1974.

Satan knows how to exploit and ensnare us with artificial substances and behaviors of temporary pleasure. I have observed the impact when one struggles to win back control, to become free from destructive abuse and addiction, and to regain self-esteem and independence.

Some of the most addictive drugs that, if abused, can hijack the brain and take away one's agency include nicotine; opiates—heroin, morphine, and other painkillers; tranquilizers; cocaine; alcohol; marijuana; and methamphetamines.

I am grateful for doctors who are trained to prescribe proper medications to relieve pain and suffering. Unfortunately, too many in our communities today, including some of our own members, become addicted to and then abuse prescription medications. Lucifer, the father of all lies, knows this and uses his influence to steal away one's agency and capture the abuser with his awful chains.

          --M. Russell, Quorum of Twelve, October 2010, General Conference.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 11:45 AM

When people call a group a cult, it's usually mainly cos they don't belong to it themselves. Some prejudiced people have referred to the Church of Kong as a cult! They can take a leap off a high building as far as I am concerned, cos they are nothin' but a bunch of specist dupes.

The fact that Romney is a Mormon don't bother me. After all, Marie Osmond is a Mormon, right? Nope, it don't bother me that he's a Mormon. It bothers me that he's a moron. ;-D Ook! Ook!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:14 PM

Just a point: Harry Reid is also a Mormon, but so is Glen Beck. Orson Scott Card, Eldridge Cleaver (converted 1984), Jeremy Andrus (CEO of Skullcandy), and Stephanie Meyer ("Twilight") are or were (Cleaver's dead) Mormons. There is an LDS Democrat Caucus.

Mormons no more march in lockstep than Catholics or Unitarians do.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:40 PM

Rapparee, what you're not getting is that the Mormon Church has a plan to convert everyone in America. This is not like the Catholic Church, and they do march in lockstep since only true Mormons can enter the Temple. You can go to any Catholic Church in the country and they'll let you in to observe.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:44 PM

Chongo what you don't get about cults is the very first principle, if someone leaves, they are generally coerced into rejoining. In some case, abuse is heaped on the one leaving.
In the case of Mormonism, the departed are pressured into remaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:48 PM

There are plenty of lapsed Catholics and fewer lapsed Mormons.

Also, they have this habit of baptizing dead people whether those people would like
that or not.

Jews who perished in the Holocaust are being baptized by Mormons.

Romoney was a bishop in the Mormon Church.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 04:42 PM

Here's the rest of the story about baptisms Frank referred to.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 04:48 PM

The problem is that the Christian Right has had Mormonism on its "cult list" for decades and Frankie was afraid that in some close races, like here in NC where he and his family live, that that might keep some folks from even voting...

Billy Graham has always tried to stay out of politics... Frankie can't get enough...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: gnu
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 05:47 PM

"Lucifer, the father of all lies, knows this and uses his influence to steal away one's agency and capture the abuser with his awful chains."

Well, send the US Special Forces after after him. They got Binny, didn't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 08:33 PM

The town I live in professes to be 56% Mormon. My neighbors are. My friends are. None of them give a shit about my religion as long as I am, or seem to be, a decent sort of human being. I teased some missionaries a couple weeks ago -- I knew more about the history of their church than they did -- and them I asked them if they'd like to come in for a beer. They declined, both being under 21.

Catholics, of course, are simply preparing the way for the Swiss Guards to invade the US so the Pope can take over. I know this because I was told it when Kennedy was running for office.

Keep this FACT in mind, folks, whenever someone says that someone else is going to convert America/take names/kick ass/declare martial law/enslave everyone or whatever:

The population of the US was 314,642,195 as of 5:23 p.m., Mudcat Daylight Time, October 24, 2012. That's from the US Census people.

To know how big that number is, if you count from one to one hundred in one minute it would take you 20 days, 6 hours, and 40 minutes (assuming eight hour workdays, with time off for lunch and pottie breaks) to count to a million. Because you'll probably want to pause every so often, call it three weeks. That's close enough to 944 weeks for all practical purposes -- or about 18 and half years.

If you convert 1,000,000 Americans every week, that's still 314 weeks, or over 6 years, to convert everyone...assuming they stay converted.

And you'd be surprised how many lapsed Mormons there are....

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:25 AM

Perhaps we ought to put up billboards saying: Thou shalt not lie--God.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 02:38 AM

Being as Romney claims Mormonism as his religion, and unless YOU are a Mormon and/or understand its rap, I don't see how one could make that judgement call.
But one thing for sure.....closed minded people bound up in fear will make any accusatory claim to instill fear and resentment, against those whom they either do not understand and/or fear.
It's a control mechanism.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 09:24 AM

I read part of the Book of Mormon and got so pissed off at the blatant plagiarism of the Bible that I didn't finish it. Tossed it in the garbage. (I've only ever done that with three books in my life. The other two were Mein Kampf and The Little Red Book (the English name for Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung [Zedong]).) I found all three to be offensive. I am neither a government nor a committee of censors. I paid for each, finished reading two and trashed all three.

I dislike the dishonesty of missionaries. I have had extended talks with two sets of missionaries a few years apart, and I heard lots of "It was revealed" when I asked pointed questions. The last conversation I ever had with Mormon missionaries ended with me saying "It was revealed to me that this is a load of bullshit." They left and didn't return. Ruling planets where you are a god ranks up there with Muslims dancing around the 72 virgins questions. That stuff don't make sense--well, at least not to this old boy. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 09:26 AM

PS I don't dislike Romney because of his religion. I dislike him because he's a lyin' two-faced sonuvabitch.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:10 AM

What's the harm in baptizing dead people?

If Mormonism is true, it does them a favor. If not, it just shows that Mormons have some undemanding benevolent thoughts for non-Mormons, which is more than one can say about some other denominations.

Baptizing victims of the Holocaust at least reminds the baptizers of what the Holocaust was about; and it wasn't about religious belief, it was about political scapegoating.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 11:59 AM

There's no particular reason why the Book of Mormon should not bear close resemblance to stuff in the Bible, 999, because it is purported to be a message from the same source, albeit one that came in a different time period and location.

That is, they are both based on "revealed" information from purportedly the same spiritual source, the same God, and the same original traditions if you take it way back.

Now, if the source is real...strictly a matter of individual opinion as to that...then what would stop it from manifesting basically the same message (or a very similar one) in a variety of different times, cultures, and places?

Just theorizing here, by the way. I haven't read the Book of Mormon, and you have read at least part of it...so I don't know for sure what you are objecting to in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:13 PM

Rapparee, i never said that the Mormon goal was achievable.

Baptizing dead people shows a disrespect for their beliefs and wishes.
I don't know a single Jew who would like to be baptized after their death my a Mormon.
As a FreeThinker, I would find this process insulting.

GfS, I see no problem with making a judgement call on any religion that purports to
have designs on the world. Maybe you can enter a Mormon Temple and tell us more about it.

The issue, though, is that tobacco kills as many people as auto crashes or war zones.
It's a slow poison and Romney disseminated it throughout Russia to cash in on it, even against the edict of his own so-called "faith". Bain's relationship with British American Tobacco and Philip Morris indicates the height of hypocrisy and is a red flag to his acquiring the presidency.

The issue wasn't necessarily against Mormonism per se, but the fact that Romney is a hypocrite and you can't trust anything he says.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:28 PM

Hello? L.H.? Up there on cloud nine?
You know what plagerism is, I know what plagerism is, and you can bet your sweet rump that 999 knows what plagerism is. If you hold a strictly fundamentalist view of God, there could be some credibility to His having dictated the same wording to different dudes at different times. But unless God either has vocal cords, so you can literally hear his words, or he takes over the mind of certain individuals so as to make them automatons whose normal humanity in no way effects what they are writting, the same wording in separate allegedly revealed documents is evidence of plagerism.
I've always understood you to hold a concept of God which wouldn't support any of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:36 PM

And, if I may quote a well know sage, "PS I don't dislike Romney because of his religion. I dislike him because he's a lyin' two-faced sonuvabitch".

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:53 PM

999: "...They left and didn't return. Ruling planets where you are a god ranks up there with Muslims dancing around the 72 virgins questions."

Gosh, ya' think them 72 virgins might be menopausal hags???..might be!..or even guys??...with hemorrhoids??

I would offer an opinion of what I've observed about Mormonism...but then, I'd run the risk of being accused of being 'bigoted'...unlike some of you!
Smirking.......busted!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:59 PM

GfS: check your e-mail.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 01:00 PM

OK..I read one last night...I'll check again...
Regards!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 04:20 PM

Romney's Mormonism is only incidental - by way of inheritance from his family - to his real, one and only true God, who he worships fastidiously: Money.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 05:21 PM

frogprince, the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all use many of the same passages from what Christians call the Old Testament. Is that plagiarism or is it the continuation of an ancient religious tradition through new sects and prophets? Why shouldn't the Mormons have some of those same passages in their holy book? Their religion is an offshoot of the existing Judeo-Christian tradition. You could say it's another new branch on a very old tree. They had a new prophet in North America with a theoretically new revelation on the old theme, that's all. That's how new branches of an old religion often get started.

And the old order is usually aghast when it happens! ;-D They don't like competition, and they certainly don't like innovation.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Penny S.
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 06:21 PM

When the various books of the Bible - Jewish part or Christian were written, they were written in the language and style of the community they were written in. In the same way the Qu'ran was written in Arabic of its period.

The Book of Mormon was written in an approximation of the style of early 17th century England. Why would God do that? Bearing in mind that that version of the Bible was based on an earlier translation, with errors, slanted to emphasise the importance of kingship, why would God use it instead of using 19th century American English, which had its own power, strength and pertinence to its hearers.

Oh, forgot, it was actually a translation of something written in earlier times in another langugage, the translation being by divine help. The argument still stands, though. Why not translate it into the vigorous language of its time?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 07:09 PM

Mormonism is is direct conflict with Christianity unless you believe that Joseph Smith was the 2nd coming...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM

L.H. The writtings that Jews, Christians, and Moslems have in common don't come from separate books that they all claim to have received from God separately; they are in books they all have in common, which all of them attribute to God.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 11:55 PM

Interesting points, people. I'd have to know a lot more about Mormonism than I do to be able to know how to respond to some of them

I wonder, Bobert, if the Mormons DO believe that Joseph Smith was the 2nd coming? If so, I'm not surprised that Christians would object. After all, the Jewish religious hierarchy certainly objected to the idea that some of their own people had that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Such newcomers are generally vigorously opposed by the existing establishment, but accepted by their direct followers, and that usually leads to the establishment of a new religion...or the splitting off of a new sect within an existing religion.

One thing they can all agree on is a common shared heritage out of the past (like the books of the Old Testament)...but whenever a NEW prophet, messiah or book comes along, they get very shook up about it, and usually deny it outright.

I'd be curious to know more about the basis of Mormonism, and will probably check it out online if I get the time.

Penny - I think the way any religious book is written would depend a lot on the person writing it whether or not that person was literally inspired by God. Most religions assert that things on Earth like writing a religious book or performing any other action are done not directly "by the hand of God", as it were, but through the hands of human beings who are inspired by God. If that is the case, those human beings will certainly affect the process themselves...it will pass through the filter of their own consciousness and their mental habits. They won't act like automatons, in other words, but will color the process with their own attitudes and write it down in their own words. Perhaps the man (or men) who wrote the Book of Mormon simply had an idea in their own minds that 17th century style language was far more suitable to the subject matter than modern vernacular. Or...maybe they were just copying traditional writings. I don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: LadyJean
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 12:28 AM

I think Mormons believe that single people don't go to heaven. Which leaves me out in the cold.

My friend Bill assures me that Mitt has four wives. His logic: 1. Mitt Romney is the descendant of polygamists. His family went to Mexico to continue the practice. 2. Mitt has several houses. Each house has a woman living there as a housekeeper. It wasn't unusual for Mormon polygamists to maintain their plural wives in separate establishments.

I'm pretty sure that Bill is mistaken. But it's an interesting idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 12:59 AM

Single people don't get to go to heaven??? That's bizarre! Sounds like a plan designed to get "the flock" to increase as rapidly as possible... ;-) Having numerous wives (or consorts) seems odd to me too. It's the typical behaviour of herd animals such as goats.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 02:13 AM

999: "GfS: check your e-mail."

Check yours!

Hey folks..Bruce (999) has some great music..just in case I might not be the last to know it....check it out!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 11:12 AM

"(999) has some great music.." Gfs, you finally said something that lots of folks here will agree with whole-heartedly : )

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 12:23 PM

Ryan is also a hypocrite because he espouses the tenets of Ayn Rand and says he is a Catholic. The two ideas are mutually exclusive because Ayn Rand was a self-avowed
atheist and had nothing good to say about Catholicism.

You want these men running our country?

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 01:08 PM

And especially single women don't get there, because they are saved through their relationship (sealed marriage?) with a saved man. They don't get to rule a planet, but fill it with their husband's spiritual children.

On the positive side, I gather that they don't have a hell for the non-Mormons, but a lesser place that isn't hellish but doesn't involve planetary terraforming.

As to the inspired folks writing according to what they expect to be appropriate, in the case of of the Hebrew scriptures, the NT and the Qu'ran, they were inspired to write in the best language available at the time. Not pastiche of an earlier attempt. If Goid inspired someone who would do that, maybe he didn't choose too well by comparison with earlier prophets.

This doesn't alter that if someone has strong views about what is correct living for themselves, but goes out of their way to push things they regard as, in the Islamic term, haram, to those outside the church, that is likely to attract accusations of hypocrisy. You don't find Catholics setting up abortion clinics, Methodists off-licences (booze shops), Muslim pork butchers. There is the interesting case of a Tubby Isaacs who set up the first Eel and Pie shop in London, I suppose, but I don't think Jews regard the kosher laws as about health, which Mormon teaching about tobacco is.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 01:15 PM

Single women would certainly get into heaven, if I was running the place...not that I'd really want the responsibility!

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: ollaimh
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 03:38 PM

if one makes a c\lose reading of the old testament or the muslim hadith(i leave out the book of mormon because i have only read a few pages) then you have to see that the god of those books condones genocide, homophobia, racism, human sacrifice of women(look up japthah--long after abraham and issacc). this is a deity who is either mad or bad, and that;s why the believers are mostly mad or bad.

ps , lucifer is not in the bible, it's a mistranslation by saint jerome the translator. he translated the cannonical latin vulgate, unfortunately for accuracy he translated it from arabic--which he could read, and not aramaic and hebrew and greek, which he could not read.. the words he translated as lucifer actually mean bringer of light in a general meaning and do not identify a deity or devil, jerome substitued the name lucifer who brings light as a minor roman deity associated with mercury and hermes. no lucifer other than as a minor roman deity. the father of lies is satan and satan and lucifer do not over lap in origional sources or anywhere else.

jerome made quite a few other mistakes that have led to major misundrstandings. a direct translation from the origional languages is much better , however few would change their minds now.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 03:46 PM

"My friend Bill assures me that Mitt has four wives. His logic: 1. Mitt Romney is the descendant of polygamists. His family went to Mexico to continue the practice. 2. Mitt has several houses. Each house has a woman living there as a housekeeper. It wasn't unusual for Mormon polygamists to maintain their plural wives in separate establishments." Lady Jean

Ah. So that's why all of the Romney sons look like they have different mothers! lol

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 04:37 PM

Does your faith forbid the use of capital letters, ollaimh?

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 06:48 PM

Yo, witty reparteé, Hawk. How's that for a stalk?

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 11:24 PM

A stalk of celery? Witty repartee is not the same thing as vicious personal attacks on people, old chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 12 - 07:55 AM

Romney has four wives??? Danged, that proves he is not qualified to be president... I mean, only a moron would want to deal with that much nagging...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Romney is a religious hypocrite
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Oct 12 - 10:17 AM

The thread has crept into a discussion of Mormonism rather than a focus on Romney's hypocrisy. Whether I agree or disagree with Mormonism isn't the point here. It's the fact that you who are Romney supporters don't care if a liar and hypocrite winds up being the President of the U.S.
It's important to know, however, the kind of damage that will be done to the country if a morally absent man becomes a leader or representative.