BS: Obama Wins!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 07:23 AM

""What he clearly means is people who posture as liberals, and even imagine themselves to BE liberals, but who are unaware of their own hypocrisy and knee jerk approach to things. They consistently judge the book by the cover, rather than taking the trouble to actually read the book. They are filled with the zeal of the righteous who react to outer appearances, but who do not think.""

Let's get one thing clear about this attempt to make the Pharaoh's abysmal attitudes look reasonable.

The people upon wwhom Ake pastes this label arre

1. Those who oppose homophobia.
2. Those who oppose his denigration of travellers.
3. Those who support Gay marriage.

In fact, just about anybody who supports equal rights and equal treatment for all.

THOSE ARE THE "LIBERALS" HE DESPISES!

So put away that bucket of whitewash LH.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 07:12 AM

reason can only prevail over irrational fear with a lot of work & the passage of time.... and is easily set back.

growing up in the 50's & '60's, I knew that racism & bigotry was wrong... because it wasn't fair or honest... people are people... no more no less.

during the time of the race riots I was on a school trip to a site in New York City where we encountered a group of black girls chanting anti-white slogans. It was my first taste of what it feels like to be hated for no reason, other than the color of my skin. scary as hell.

the worst part was the gut reaction it left.... for years after that, I would get that "fight or flight" twinge when first meeting a black person. I knew it was irrational, wrong & shameful... hated the fact that it existed at all and did everything I could to overcome it. And strove to make sure the person I met was treated in a polite and friendly manner.

the worst of it is over... but I still "see" the color of a person's skin... something I had never done before.

it's conditioning... brainwashing if you will... and as long as we have hate mongers out there flaming the fans, it will continue.

but exposure of our young people to all manner of different people in a non threatening way will go a long way to defusing the fear & hate of "difference"... look at the increased acceptance of non-straight folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:50 AM

I was at the hardware store today, and heard a man and woman, both about 70 years old, talking about they election. You'd think they were talking about the end of the world. The guy was so angry about it, that he seemed like he might do something drastic.

I can't understand why some people seem to be so afraid of Barack Obama. He's certainly not perfect, but he didn't do anything horrible to the country in his first four years.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 11:46 PM

Small government? Ha. In the words of Stephanie Miller;

"Republicans are the party of small government alright...they want to shrink it down until it fits in a woman's vagina."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 11:29 PM

hey, frogprince, or should I say toad?

I do not belong to any political party... and I do happen to believe in the following:

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


And unlike some of you out there, I try to practice what I preach.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:41 PM

Yes, Bobert, they are hypocrites as well. You forgot one example of it: all their mindless shrieking about the need for small govt and how big govt is evil and intrudes into people's lives where it has no business until the subject of women's right and gay rights comes up and they can't demand the govt outlaw both and legislate them out of existence fast enough. That reveals what all their loathsome whining about small govt is--BULLSHIT!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 09:01 PM

Google up Greensboro Massacre, ya'll...

1979 wasn't that long ago...

Oh, for folks too lazy to Google it up... Here's what went down... There was a non-violent civil rights demonstration organized... Problem was that there was also the KKK... Those things don't mix so the KKKers set up on the march route and shot and killed 5 demonstrators...

Yeah, everyone seems to know of Kent St...

Greensboro??? Not...

BTW, none of tyhe kkkers were charged...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 08:52 PM

Yes indeed, Ake; I'm sure your buddy from Greensboro is much more sincere in every word that comes out from under his pointy-topped incognito hood than Sciencegeek, with her meally-mouthed pseudo-liberalism.

L.H., do you consider Sciencegeek's response to Guest, Greensboro, to be an example of the kind of alleged liberalism that makes you wish for good old fashioned genuine liberalism?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 07:25 PM

Nice rant, DDT... That's the way I see it, as well...

You did, however, leave out the following:

These anti- intellectuals who beaten down the folks who have bothered to get an education will seek out the very best educated doctor when they find out they have cancer... That's called...

...hypocrisy!!!

These people knew fully well that the stimulus worked so they attacked it as having been a "failure"... The truth of the matter is that it has created 4,5 million jobs... That's called...

...lying!!! BTW, what do we call people who lie??? LIARS!!!

These people pound their chests for "democracy" yet did everything in their power to disenfranchise as many Democrat voters... That's called...

...anti-democracy!!!

These people sat around in a circle jerk telling each other they were going to win while refusing to accept real pollsters... That makes them...

...ignorant!!!

These creeps want to force a woman who has been raped to submit to a forced vaginal ultrasound in order to abort a pregnancy caused by that rape... That why these people are not all that different from...

..the Taliban!!!

Yes, these people are eat up with hate, with ignorance, with bigotry, with intolerance, with arrogance, with tin-foil thinking, with obesity, with lies, with lice, with cooties, with dung, with stink, with filth, with the devil hisself, with everything that is evil, with rot, with goobers drippin' off 'um, with cancer from smokin', from "the sugar" from eating too many Kristie Kream doughnuts, with shoes on the wrong feet, with wrong feet in their mouth, with mouths full of rotting teeth, with bellies that look like medicine balls, with CAT scans of the head that show emptiness, with their fingers in their nose, with their heads up Grover Norquist's ass, with their dicks stuck in farm animals, with books being something to start fires with, with bald tires and bald heads, with NASCAR being their God, with lots of tattoos and with...

...a bad case of eat up stupid!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 06:50 PM

DDT is highly toxic.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 06:48 PM

I have as much time for political conservatives, as I have for social "liberals".....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 06:23 PM

Ake's "liberal" bears no resemblance to the real Liberal political position. It is a conveniently labeled bucket into which he tosses anyone he disagrees with, or who disagrees with him.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:49 PM

Ake:

You haven't been paying attention to Mister Romney's recent spate of blatant alterations of fact and general duplicity, obviously.

Maybe where you are the social conservatives have a higher order of integrity!! :D


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:45 PM

Liberal, not liberal--who cares? I'm glad Romney lost. This was an election the republicans had to win--HAD to win it. Spent enormous amounts of money to win it. We're sure they were going to win it.

A win would have validated four more years of moralistic, anti-intellectual bullshit forced down our throats by the shovelful. I've already had more than my fill. The right wing kooks who wear intolerance, hatred and bigotry on their chests like medals of honor have to slink back under the rocks the GOP looked under to find and recruit them and cry their little eyes out. Well, that just breaks my heart.

And they won't figure out what's wrong with their approach by 2016 so they can write that election off as an automatic loss. By 2020, I still don't see it. What happened? They got in bed with hatred and there's always a price to pay somewhere down the road when you do that. The GOP will have to oust all the nutballs that comprise their base and those people won't go without a fight to the death because they have no other choice. So over the next 8 years, there will be serious bloodbathing in the GOP as it searches for a soul it currently lacks.

Creationists, birthers, racists, misogynists, conspiracy kooks, homophobes, anti-intellectuals--all were ready to set up shop in Washington and spread their toxins around but now must find someplace else--preferably outside the country. Americans finally got it right. Evidently they are as sick of that rotting heap of stinking bullshit as I am. Maybe they saw how nice it was to get a four-year break from having to stare into a toilet full of writhing shit-covered scum-crawlers from the far right decided an eight-year break would be so much better.

With them neutered, maybe this country can get back to some semblance of normalcy where "evolution" is no longer a banned word. Good riddance to the GOP. No mincing words here: GOP, I'm ecstatic you lost, you deserved to lose, you deserved so much worse than you got, now fuck you!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:04 PM

Tia ....I have no time for illiberal liberals.
At least most social conservatives actually believe what they espouse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 04:18 PM

George....sometimes i think you know me better than I know myself!

Spooky! :0o

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 03:46 PM

Okay, so when he bashes liberals (as he so often does) he is actually bashing not-liberals. Okay, that clears up the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 01:18 PM

You're not comprehending Ake's definition, TIA, because you fail to notice that he puts quotes around it.

What he clearly means is people who posture as liberals, and even imagine themselves to BE liberals, but who are unaware of their own hypocrisy and knee jerk approach to things. They consistently judge the book by the cover, rather than taking the trouble to actually read the book. They are filled with the zeal of the righteous who react to outer appearances, but who do not think.

As such, they are a betrayal of the actual historical liberal tradition, a tradition which some of us still remember fondly and still try to uphold. Akenaton is mourning the death of genuine liberalism as it once was, and its replacement by the present very common shallow "liberal" posturing and unthinking reaction which mouths empty cliches, erects straw men to demonize, and enshrines new forms of prejudice which are taken for granted and even seen as "good" by the so-called "liberals" who embrace them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:15 AM

Ake's definition of liberal is different from the one the rest of the world uses, so it is hardly worth arguing with him.

And, I encourage Greensboro NC to keep talking, keep posting, keep writing to his representatives, and keep his message in the news.

It will ensure that his clan continues to lose and lose big.

Please Greensboro - got anything else to get off your chest?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 08:04 AM

Just to be entirely clear, my comment related to the Pharaoh, not the ignorant redneck cracker.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 07:29 AM

You might as well talk to the wall SG.

His head is so far up the cul-de-sac that he hasn't seen daylight for ages.

When he last looked he thought Mussolini too liberal.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 07:25 AM

My oh my, It just amazes me how so many folk were sucked in by this boy. Just wait and see what will happen to this great nation over the next four years. He will care for the kin and we are going to pick up the tab for it.

Sadly the younger generation in this country are gullible, materialistic and down right unpatriotic.

I saw his woman on Fox last last talking about health ! well she needs to check out her own padding before talking like that. Was I born on the side of a mountain.

lets examine this bigoted crap point by point.... "this boy" will care for "the kin".... does anyone for one second think this is a reference to the president's mother's side of the family???? I read this a paraphrase for " that darkie is going to take care of those n*ggers instead us deserving white folk"

and during slavery, while blacks where allowed some access to religion, they were not allowed to marry.... "jumping the broom" was as close as they could get.... after, slaves were bought & sold like cattle... which is what were- thinking livestock. so the reference to "his woman" is harkening back to that attitude.

so, I stand by my defining of Greensboro, NC as a racist bigot. and NAZI fascist did their best to dehumanize Das Juden... to the point where is was their patriotic duty to exterminate 6 million Jews.

is this really the side you want to be on????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 06:41 AM

well, well.... you must have missed the scene in the movie Heat of the Night.... you know, the one where the white southern sheriff addresses the black northern detective as "boy"... to which the reply is, "They call me, MR. Tibbs.

are you seriously going to imply that the poster who uses the title, Greensboro, NC didn't "know" what they were doing - referring to President Obama as "boy" and the First Lady as "his woman".   

John McCain - obviously with Liberal leanings- didn't allow such language BS to go unchallenged during his presidential bid.... and I won't let it slide here.

and for your information, I am not now nor have I ever been a Liberal.
What I am, however if the daughter of and the wife of American veterans who fought in wars for this country. My father fought in WWII against fascists who were as racist and bigoted as they come.

Sorry... I have no intention of dishonoring their service by letting Greensboro, NC go unchallenged. and neither should you!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 06:06 AM

Thats funny sg......there are none more arrogant than the "liberals"

They spout their uninformed, media inspired nonesense everywhere and brook no argument or debate.

Racist, homophobe, bigot, "liberal" words to describe any who oppose their religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:49 AM

oh, I left out this ....

"his woman" is his wife, you jerk... AND the First Lady!

the disrespect shown by you classless, arrogant fools is what cost you the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:44 AM

well, "this boy", as you so crudely put it, just so happens to be the President of the United State of America - elected by a majority of the voters. Including this 61 year old, non-aligned voter.

I'd never heard of him prior to the 2008 election, but what learned of him was enough to please me... because I grew up valuing the principles of this nation.

The South lost in 1865 and the Conservative Right lost last week. The voice of the American people spoke... and spoke loudly against the fascist BS that seeks to destroy our democracy.

God Bless America!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 12:03 PM

Voters in general don't see gerrymandering as a means of denying them a voice.   They just want the person who has closest views to them in office. Parties realize this. That's why gerrymandering usually means including more and more voters of similar political bent.

So gerrymandering is way, way, down the list of burning issues for virtually everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:41 AM

well, pointing out the abuses of voter registration is a first step... along with getting people registered. now you've got people who are signed up and want to make difference.

point out that gerrymandering is political parties' way of taking away options from voters... now you have upset voters who see it as one more way of denying them a real choice. if political parties balk, use the process to put in on the ballot as a referendum ...

gay marriage rights was just such an issue recently, yes?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:24 AM

You still need to appeal to the self-interest of the major parties.   Since gerrymandering--in contrast to illegal immigration or the fiscal cliff--is not a big issue to most people, how will you do this?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:12 AM

the point of opening the process to the light of day is expose the excesses and abuses that happen... then make those the issues that need to be addressed.

figure out a more equitable system & promote that... make it a referendum on future ballots. settling for the same old same old results in.... you guessed it, the same old BS.

people continue to work for peace, so why not a little justice as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:00 AM

Gerrymandering will never stop.    Both parties do it, and there is no incentive to stop--and a powerful incentive to keep it going.

You have to appeal to the self-interest of one or both parties on this.   Not possible.

If anybody thinks it is possible, please explain. I don't claim to have the last word on this--but at this point see no alternative. It's just not a burning issue to enough voters to have an impact.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: sciencegeek
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:40 AM

I think that another result of this election will be an all out effort to ensure equal opportunity to the voting booth. A national campaign to spend the next 4 years making sure that every citizen, regardless of race, creed or political , that wants to exercise their right to voe will be registered to vote in the national elections.

Look at it this way... the feds are actually the ones who determine voting rights... the states are SUPPOSED to incorporate that into their voting laws.... and we know how well that has worked in certain states.

we need to open up the voting rights issue to the light of day - and that includes gerrymandering- and work for a more just and equitable system. that take more than 4 years, I'm sure, but we gotta start now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:22 AM

Furthermore, the GOP has a big reason for actually running over their own "tea-party" troglodytes in pushing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants:   quite a few Hispanics are actually rather socially conservative and, when the issue of illegal immigration is removed, may well vote with the GOP on quite a few issues. Sensible Republicans--yes, they do exist-- like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio realize this--and will push others to act.

If you don't believe this, consider that in 2004, about 40% of Hispanics voted for GWB---and may have made the difference in places like NM.    Since 2004, the more reasonable GOP people on immigration have paid a huge price---like Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich, for instance=-- and the GOP Hispanic vote has sunk like a stone.

That will change.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:11 AM

Sarcasm?   Moi?

If you can't stand the heat....

After all, Michael, I made sure to say that when I talked about "querulous old biddies" I was not talking about you or Richard.





"nothing is really different".    You continue your record of almost perfect error.

The fact that the President will never run again actually frees him to do what he really thinks should be done without regard to re-election.   He will now be aiming for his own legacy.

Therefore:   

1)    There will be a deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff".    I don't claim to know the details--perhaps you do.

2)      There will be huge reform and a long-term solution to the   problem of illegal immigration.    This I can tell you about a bit.   

It will definitely include a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.    This will probably be at least actually 2 paths--an easy one for people under 30 and a harder one for those over 30.

Why will this happen?

Simple, for anybody who reads and thinks:    there are enough members of the GOP aware that the party is now on a one-way trip to political oblivion that Obama will be able to strip off sufficient votes to get it through.    Obama of course has a huge impetus to try to cement Hispanics in the Democratic coalition.   At this point they will expect--and get --action on illegal immigration.

Cynicism is always an easy, comfortable refuge--for those who don't read or think---but it is not always the right answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 12:07 PM

Angry white dinosaurs Mr. Noble
Haha

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 04:10 PM

TIA-

Amazing revelation and so well reasoned and illustrated.

And the Republicans lost because they relied too heavily on the turnout of dinosaurs.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM

Ron Davies: I'm still waiting for you to justify what you posted about me.

HA! You might as well wait for the Second Coming. You obviously are not familiar with He Who Knows All.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: TIA
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 12:40 PM

Actually, it is all about Plate Tectonics!
Obama had the support of Cretaceous diatoms
.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 12:28 PM

Indeed Obama wins! *big grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Amos
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 10:41 AM

I am delighted with Mister Obama's victory and his gracious acceptance speech. Thanks god there is still a smidgen of relative sanity left in the overall populace. I am astonished at the bitterness that is surfacing amongst his detractors, and the extremity of their assertions. But there were major positive events buried in the noise of this election, aside from Obama's win. Elizabeth Warren is an example. Gay marriage rights in three states. Legalization of cannabis in two states. First gay Congress-person goes to Washington. SOme really good corrective steps.

It's not that I don't appreciate the concerns of my conservative friends; it is the estimation of relative importances that sets us apart.

I am very happy about Obama's win; the alternative would have been horrific.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:55 AM

good result

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:23 AM

unfortunately, Charlie this is what often comes when discussing relgion or politics... and here they are rolled together into one for the Republicans. the perfect storm of verbal abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:06 AM

Does anyone else on this forum find the continuous personal bickering irritating or distracting?

I know, the answer is "Shove it up your ass!"

I get enough of that kind of rancor from our Governor in Maine (Paul LePage), who has made coast to coast headlines with his rantings. Take a deep breath before you post.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 07:43 AM

Informative graphic correlating education levels and voting choice and the best part of it is that the data re education levels is provided by Fox which accidentally insults every Romney voter in the country.

http://www.happyplace.com/19076/election-infographic-shows-most-educated-states-voted-for-obama

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 07:12 AM

"Should America be run by a council of Native Americans?"

You could run that line for every country I'd imagine. Why should people descended from the invading Scotti, Anglo-Saxons, Norse, Danish and Norman French have a say in the UK parliament? Never mind all the newer interlowpers!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 06:51 AM

Should America be run by a council of Native Americans? Should Australia be run by a council of Aborigines? Should New Zealand/Aotearoa be run by a council of Maoris? Is imperialism wrong? My poem on "Land Rights" - http://www.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse/blog/476693050

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: LadyJean
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 01:09 AM

I just found out that folks in Colorado passed a measure, asking their state legislature to call for a constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United. I'm hoping a few more states will follow their lead.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 11:05 PM

Thanks for the apology. Now get a towel and contain that dripping sarcasm.

I would be happy to have an adult conversation about - well, just about anything. But gratuitous smears don't fall into that category. If you care to read back, my first post in this discussion stated that after all the money that was spent on the campaign, nothing's really different in Washington, and asked who was made happy by that.
It's a question, not a whine. Look it up if you can't tell the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 11:02 PM

Richard Bridge says: "One of the most shocking things is the irrefutable proof of the voting machines altering people's votes."

I think you misunderstand Americans, Richard. Americans are compulsively honest (in a legalistic sort of way) and are very unlikely to "fix" voting machines to alter election results. What they do instead, is manipulate the laws to fit their designs, and then follow those manipulated laws to the letter.

That's what happened in Florida. Thousands of people were "legally" disqualified from voting. It was unfair and unjust, but it was "legal."

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 10:16 PM

And I even congratulated you on your ability to put a few sentences together and on your grasp of grammar.    What's more, I think you even spelled everything correctly.

And I encouraged you in your budding political career.

Gee, I'm praising you to the skies.    One would think you would be happy.