BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:55 AM

Might as well do away with all laws then, mightn't we, Niggardly.

Silly ass!

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 06:10 AM

Since when did laws keep criminals from doing anything?
That's why they're called criminals, silly boy!

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 02:48 AM

I reiterate the sentiments of my post of 0200 on Dec 17, which several at the time from this side of the Pond considered germane -- one commented that I had 'nailed it'. Now the same arguments are repeating in a sort of tail-chasing circle, as happens on long threads. I gave reasons, which many agreed with, as to why

"The either-or nature of the title of this thread sums up what your trouble is over there. You will tie yourself in knots to find any way out from the self-evident fact that YOU HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DESTRUCTIVE & DYSFUNCTIONAL GUN LAWS."


~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 12:46 AM

Whadya' mean???....we need guns to protect ourselves from people who took anti-depressant drugs!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 05:04 PM

Anti-depressant drugs don't kill as many people as do guns. It's not drugs that are the problem, it's the accessibility of guns, particularly semi-automatics and hand guns. This is a specious thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:59 PM

Ban caffiene-addicted hamsters! They are responsible for far more trouble than most people suspect.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 08:09 AM

Naah! He's the one on the right.

I always thought he was a prepubescent late developing teenager with delusions of intelligence.

They took away his tinfoil hat though.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 09:04 AM

They left your photo out, ShitWringer. How come?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 02:53 AM

I approve this message.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 11:14 PM

Do you really think it's a GUN problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 10:23 PM

KILLER TEEN SUES DOCTORS OVER PROZAC

A Manitoba teen who blames the antidepressant Prozac for causing him to fatally stab his friend is taking the controversial step of suing three doctors who treated him prior to the killing, claiming they should be the ones on the financial hook should his victim's kin win a pending lawsuit against him....

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/01/12/killer-teen-sues-doctors-over-procac

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 01:54 PM

How about this for a suggestion?

* You get to keep 22s and anything smaller in your home, for self defense and varmint control.

* Hunting rifles and shotguns that you own are kept in a central office where you sign them out at appropriate times.

* Semi-automatic guns and other military weapons - not necessarily owned by you - are kept at gun ranges where you check them out the same as one checks out shoes at the bowling alley.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 06:27 AM

mrrzy, a snubnosed .38 is more practical.
You get 5 shots instead of two.
I had a .357 mag derringer.
I wish I had kept it. A little cannon.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 12:02 AM

who is this nitwit singwronger anyway? because he has
a name he can post any crap he wants, huh Joe?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 10:03 PM

Interesting article in today's Washington Post on how now that most of these poor folks are being cared for by their mothers, there are more matricides than ever of these beleaguered parents of atypical children... shall I post the link?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 09:09 PM

Bottom line is that inpatient treatment is out and out-patient in so...

...what are you going to do with budget cuts, less staff, less, less and more less???

It's easy to criticize... I've been in the trenches with mentally ill clients and that was back in the so-called good-old-days when we had resources and it wasn't easy then...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 09:00 PM

"THE nurse who committed suicide after answering a hoax call made by two Australian radio hosts reportedly attempted to kill herself twice in the past year and was prescribed anti-depressants."

Thinking of killing yourself? (and maybe some others as well)
Pop some of these pills.
You'll feel more RELAXED while you're doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: LadyJean
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 10:35 PM

I had a housemate who was put on Parnate, because of depression. (His wife had dumped him. He was out of work. Somebody stole his wallet. He'd have been weird if he wasn't depressed.)

The stuff made him so lethargic he couldn't work. Since he also couldn't get disability that was a problem. He had the disposition of a grizzly bear, when he was taking the stuff. There was a long list of common foods he couldn't eat.   Now and again, he'd keel over and one night he damn near had a stroke!
All in all, I was very happy when he changed to a different antidepressant.
Some time after, I had on Roberts and Barrand's "Present From The Gentlemen", which has a funny song about Hamlet. I'd played it before when he was around, told him the song was funny, and been dismissed with a grunt. That time he listened and laughed.

I worked for a psychiatrist's family once. You could have hung a sign on the front door, "This Home Furnished By Pfizer, Merck and Eli Lilly". Office supplies, phones, clocks, assorted other goodies, meds for his hypochondriac wife and his child who was diabetic, all free from the drug companies.

Nobody needs an assault rifle. They should be illegal.

I'm not sure how many people need the meds psychiatrists are so fond of prescribing these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 08:35 PM

Mrrzy,

Yup Mrrzy... American are increasingly apt to use a gun because that is all they have any chance of prevailing with... When I was growing up if you had a problem with another kid you had two choices: work it out or fist fight... I engaged in both... Looking back, working out was the better choice...

With guns those choice are completely obsolete... An 85 pound kid can take out a 250 pound kid with no risk to himself...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 07:59 PM

It's not the guns, it's the fact that it seems so reasonable to Americans to *use* guns *against individuals* whom they perceive to have caused apparent encroachments upon their happiness.
Everywhere else, a gun is a tool for a particular job like getting a lot of fresh meat at once by sneaking up in something usually a lot nature-craftier than you.
If you aren't doing that or other gun-related job, the use of a gun doesn't usually occur to anyone else.
And Americans LOVE to ban recreational drugs with one hand and encourage medical drug use with the other - don't get high, even though pot has never killed anybody by itself, but do drug your kids or yourself for showing any normal deviations from unhappiness... so now not only the real sickoes like me who go mad, MAD without their meds get meds, but anybody feeling little sad sometimes or a little too happy sometimes get mind-altering drugs that nobody knows the effect of on normals anyway...

And we DO know that these drugs should never be given to teens or younger - seems to up their motivation before lifting their mood so they are more likely to follow through with the suicidal thoughts they are already having, to me.

But *I* am a grownup (well, by some standards). And I am shocked, SHOCKED that I really love that little Derringer, which I should so clearly not own nor be allowed to purchase. But I could walk in and lay down about $100 and have it... and I don't think they would run any kind of a check at all. Not to mention that what list could I show up on, someone who's been taking anti-depressants and anti-psychotics for a long time? Who keeps those lists?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Dec 12 - 01:23 PM

And if you don't believe me, just look again at that table on that other ongoing thread of #s of deaths over a year by gunshot in various nations -- all in one- or two-figures except for the US, which is in the 2000s -- an unspeakable disgrace to your otherwise great and rightly-widely-respected nation...
I posted on 17 Dec.

From The Times this morning ~~

"About 11,100 Americans died in gun-related killings in 2011, according to the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention..."

Once again, forget the drugs. It's the GUNS!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 12:45 PM

Please start taking your medication again, Songwronger, there's a good boy, otherwise it'll be the soft room again.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: saulgoldie
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 11:07 AM

Hundreds of thousands, and likely millions of people take psychosomatic drugs to get more normalized. Many or most of these people are more productive and involved members of families and communities. Even if many handsful of them does things we might like to attribute to their meds, that does not negate the others' success, or the value of meds or mean that meds are worse than they are better.

Medical science--there's that word again--has never pretended to be perfect. And, as mentioned earlier, not all patients always take their meds as prescribed.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 08:11 AM

Even the bulls in Spain are offended by wronger's posts... Those posts are denigrating their shit...

One thing is for sure... The boy is truth-challenged...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 07:03 AM

""lol. It's so easy to wind you up. All it takes is a little truth.""

You wouldn't recognise truth if it wore a neon name tag and bit you on the arse, Wronger, you have posted more bullshit than exists in all the bull rings in Spain. I read your posts to find out what not to believe.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 11:21 PM

lol. It's so easy to wind you up. All it takes is a little truth.

OK, I've covered my views on the drugs mentioned in the title line of this thread, so I don't mind turning it into yet another gun thread.

You should be happy, Bobert. Atty General Holder is running his guns into Mexico to protect your marijuana pipeline, and in the U.S., you just got your gun incident after the election. Pelosi said they would wait until after the election to deal with guns, and here comes Sandy Hook, and Obama with the crocodile tears, and the U.N. small arms treaty just waiting for Hillary Clinton's pen. Everything's going your way. Even Republican Scott Brown is going to the "other side" to work for changes to the gun laws in America. Good for you. You're getting what you want.

On the downside, the Bobert Brigade is going to have to physically collect a couple hundred million guns. They're selling in record numbers this week. See, most people know a psychological operation when they see one. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" has become a political given, so the anti-gun forces are uniting in America. Even the NRA is silent right now. Their job has always been to get their members to stand down when they could be doing something, and they're doing that now.

But the thing is, the U.S. constitution enshrines our right to own guns because governments grow abusive. Guns were needed back in 1789 to prevent a return of syphillitic old King George, and they're needed today to prevent the tyranny of the Republicratic party. The average American isn't as stupid as you seem to think, so you'd better beef up the Bobert Brigade. Sell tickets to your first house raid, too. I'd like to see that.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 11:05 PM

No, wronger... I haven't done that either...

YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

Guess better next time, LIAR!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 11:01 PM

No, Bobert, you just advocate killing Mexican children so you can get your pot. And now you're backing some bogus "mental health" system in an attempt to deprive Americans of firearms. Have you ever looked up the word "hypocrisy?" Your concern for children is as fake as Obama's, who couldn't even squeeze out a real tear when talking about the Newtown killings.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:52 PM

You are wrong as wrong can be, wrongman... I have never advocated putting kids on drugs... If you can find anywhere that I have I will kiss you dumb liein' ass in the middle of Times Square on New Years Eve...

You are trying lie and shift your way away from the reality that we need gun control 1st while we revamp a badly damaged mental health care system that has been stripped of funding year after year after year going back 30 years...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:44 PM

But the drugs shouldn't be given to children. Schools have become diagnosis centers which treat youthful ebullience as "mania" and prescribe drugs.

If you folks, as self-possessed adults, want to take drugs, that's your business. Look at Bobert. He self-prescribes marijuana, and in order to get his dosage he supports our Attorney General running guns into Mexico. The guns help keep Bobert's flow of head medicine coming, even though that means thousands have to die each year so he can get high.

But this is about anti-depressants. Some of you seem to think these kids are being prescribed "anti-homicide" medication. Where do you get the idea that they would have killed anyway without the meds?

I found some clippings, from the incident with the man I worked with. He was mild mannered, never expressed any violent ideation. Very compassionate, caring, and then a doctor put him on Anafranil for mild depression. The man later killed and had no memory of it. From the clippings:

"G's body was found twisted grotesquely on his bed which was saturated with blood and vital fluids. The deep, gaping wounds were primarily about the face and neck. Investigators were unable to tell if G had been surprised on the bed or taken there and slain. His eyes had been gouged out. Investigators said a total of seven knives, a pair of scissors and the splintered end of a broken hoe handle were used in stabbing the man. In addition, he was beaten with a large pair of pliers, a hoe and a can of of jalapeno peppers before and apparently long after he was dead."

The killer wasn't able to remember the attack. And this was an adult, in control of his faculties, far past any of the drastic hormonal changes that teens go through. Think of how a kid with that kind of shit in his system would feel. Striking out would be EXPECTED. So why do we let psychiatrists get away with this kind of criminality?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 07:33 PM

I am also very grateful for my drugs. Beats manic depression any day. But I have to admit there is a tiny little Derringer, it would fit up most poker players' sleeve, that I am lusting after in the gun shop next to my weekend pancake house... it's the cutest little thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 07:08 PM

Hey, guns work wonders for lots of depressed people...

RX: Insert gun barrel into mouth and pull trigger...

End of depression...

B:~(

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Elmore
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 06:26 PM

Anti-depressants have been a great help to me. Guns? No help whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:06 PM

no guns mean no bullets get fired

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 07:31 PM

I would add to Mrrzy's list of lists:

How long is the list of people who are prescribed a drug but never take it, only take it sporadically, or decide on their own not to take it anymore?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:02 PM

""There were 6 or 7 guns just lying around the house. Why the Hell were they not in a locked gun safe?""

Maybe Momma thought she could use one of them to protect herself against Sonny?

Well that went well, didn't it?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: pdq
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:39 PM

It seems that the drug mentioned is called Fanapt=Iloperidone=Zomaril.

Also seems that the source was a crank call and there is no evidence that the story is true.

He was surely prescribed something since he was very close to being committed to a mental institution.

That seems to be the reason he killed mommy.

There were 6 or 7 guns just lying around the house. Why the Hell were they not in a locked gun safe?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:22 PM

The point here is that other countries have people with mental illness being treated with the same drugs but they don't have anywhere near the number of gun homicides. The main difference is gun laws which restrict gun ownership and the numbers and kinds of guns available.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:09 PM

Two points, one cultural, one statistical.

The cultural one is that for some reason here in mainstream America, we have become *entitled* to happiness, rather than understanding that we have the freedom to pursue it, which is not the same thing.

Then we (here) also have the idea that shooting a person or people is an acceptable response to infringements upon that happiness, rather than understanding that guns for sport or defense should not be used for offense against people who make you less happy than you think you have the right to be.
Guns for sport, if it's trying to get some of the abundant animals to eat and use the parts of, nothing wrong with that - no waste and no endangering species.
For defense means of your *community* - more people should actually read the second amendment - against an foreign enemy or our own government (really, everybody should reread the second amendment), should we decide that we need to be protected from them.
Even defensive guns are not to defend your personal happiness against anybody at all.

That's why IF someone in the US goes off the deep end, they tend to land in a pool of ammmo with the ability to propel more and more of bigger and bigger caliber at higher and higher velocities with greater and greater accuracy as competition amongst the various shooters escalates.
Also, affluence breeds greater entitlement so it's the white middle-class males doing most of these massacres - so far there has been one Asian and one African alone of all the school shooters (or the movie theater one).

But.
The statistical point is more important, to me.

Much as I like the poster of that long list, that is a long list of crazy people who went crazier, and who were also taking drugs to prevent that. Crazies are already crazy, but still:
How long is the list of crazy people who go crazier WITHOUT the drugs?
How long is the list of crazy people who get LESS crazy WITH the drugs?
I bet both of those are a LOT, LOT longer. What you have then is a relatively few failures for many successes, which is what we'd expect. Nothing works 100% of the time, and if you're already loony, and then the drugs don't work for you, what else can you do but go crazier? And if you're an American, over-entitled and over-armed, would any OTHER way of being crazy even occur to you?

Also:
How long is the list of people we don't know are crazy yet because they aren't in treatment, who go crazier without the drugs?
How long is the list of those last who go crazier even with drugs they get on the black market?
How long is the list of those (now second-to-)last who get *better* with the drugs they get on the black market?

So, before going after the drugs for all their failures, let's remember that they are failing some of a population of high-risk individuals, and figure out how big that proportion actually IS.

After all, almost 100% of hardened criminals smoked pot at some point.    However, since probably closer to 100% of hardened criminals drank breast milk or formula as babies, that datum alone is hardly indicative of anything. You need the other cells in your matrix.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 09:14 AM

What a very silly suggestion by the GUEST who started this thread. Having seen who he or she actually was that is not too surprising.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 01:15 AM

Cans of jalapeños should be outlawed! People don't kill people, cans of jalapeños kill people!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 10:36 PM

Doctor' pills scare me.
I try to avoid them.
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 10:15 PM

I used to work with a man who committed murder when he was on a drug called Anafanil, by the way. Been on it less than a month, someone invited him to have a beer, and he woke up the next day with no memory of having killed the man. He stabbed him with every sharp object in his apartment and crushed in his skull with a can of jalapenos. The killer was one of the nicest people I ever met, too. Just a little depressed, so his doctor tried a "new treatment" with him. I read up on the drug later and saw some fine print about adverse interactions with alcohol.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 09:38 PM

Henry, you might be right about that--and maybe not. I thought then that it was a method of denigrating Washington, a way of showing disdain for America's policies overseas and at home. The USA was in a time of tension and internal turmoil. The so-called left had splintered to shards of extremes, some of which manifest themselves in Chicago, Watts, Kent State, a union organization with Chavez, Black Panthers, Poor People's March, White House halls haunted by Nixon in the decline of his presidency; the so-called right wing represented by such organizations as the John Birch Society, DAR--no offense, ma'ams--KKK, FOX News (I jumped the gun a bit on that one), well, hell, what we all got for those efforts was the 1970s followed by the 1980s and fu#kin' disco! The revolution died when bell bottom pants became stylish by being creased.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 09:27 PM

Here we go. Apparently Adam Lanza was taking Fanapt:

...Inside the piece though they (New York Magazine) report Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.

Fanapt was the subject of a Bloomberg report when it passed regulators, after previously getting the "nonapproval" stamp. Why wasn't it approved, you might ask?

There are many reasons, some of which have to do with competing entities in a competitive market.

The main cited reason for the rejection was that it caused severe heart problems in enough patients to cause a stir.

Maybe more importantly, though, Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior.

In fact, Fanapt was dropped by its first producer, picked up by another, initially rejected by the FDA, then later picked up and mass produced. The adverse side-effect is said to be "infrequent," but still it exists, and can't be ignored.

The reaction invoked by the drug in some people is reminiscent of the Jeffrey R. MacDonald case, where a Green Beret slaughtered his entire family and then fabricated a story about a marauding troop of "hopped up hippies".

MacDonald though, had Eskatrol in his system, a weight-loss amphetamine that's since been banned in part for its side effects of psychotic behavior and aggression.

These drugs are not the only ones that can cause the opposite of their desired effect. Several anti-depressant medications are also restricted to adults, for the depression they inspire in kids rather than eliminate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12#ixzz2FSVfzmgj

Whoever prescribed this drug to Adam Lanza should be charged with murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 09:16 PM

BWL, I messaged you years back to applaud your sense of humour. You gettin' better with age, just like corn liquor, no offense.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 07:08 PM

No. I'm right. The Klan replaced the FIRST letter.
The radicals of the 60's took it from the Nazis.
I'm right. You're wrong.
So there.
=(:-( P)

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 06:41 PM

Yeah, Bruce, every time I glance at the title of this thread I think it says "Ban anti-perspirant..."

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 12:30 PM

BAN DEODORANT!

Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 11:54 AM

We're both right, Henry. Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Replacing the letter "c" with "k" in the first letter of a word came into use by the Ku Klux Klan during its early years in the mid-to-late 19th century. The concept is continued today within the ranks of the Klan.

In the 1960s and early 1970s in the United States, leftists, particularly the Yippies, sometimes used "Amerika" rather than "America" in referring to the United States.[1] It is still used as a political statement today.[2] It is likely that this was originally an allusion to the German spelling of America, and intended to be suggestive of Nazism, a hypothesis that the Oxford English Dictionary supports.

In broader usage, the replacement of the letter "C" with "K" denotes general political skepticism about the topic at hand and is intended to discredit or debase the term in which the replacement occurs.[3] Detractors sometimes spell former U.S. president Bill Clinton's name as "Klinton" or "Klintoon".[citation needed]