BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?

Subject: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:09 PM

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws -- and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites. This paper is intended to provide a brief summary of this unholy alliance of gun control and racism, and to suggest that gun control laws should be regarded as "suspect ideas," analogous to the "suspect classifications" theory of discrimination already part of the American legal system.

Racist arms laws predate the establishment of the United States. Starting in 1751, the French Black Code required Louisiana colonists to stop any blacks, and if necessary, beat "any black carrying any potential weapon, such as a cane." If a black refused to stop on demand, and was on horseback, the colonist was authorized to "shoot to kill."...

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

And now, in the latest move to disarm blacks, Democrats are pushing for massive gun restrictions. Shame, shame, shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:14 PM

You're an incredible steaming heap of bigoted, racist, cow manure. The dumbest ass on any continent..........

Can we all just skip this thread? Or do you think he offers a legit conversation. If you do, you're another asshole as well!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: artbrooks
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:18 PM

Agree. Close it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:45 PM

Remarkably civil exchange, aside from the catspew.

So anyway, why do Democrats want to disarm blacks?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:49 PM

Who said anyone wanted to disarm blacks specifically?

Don't have anything worthwhile to do, Songwronger? Feel at loose ends?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:53 PM

Yes. Have a litt e downtime. Thought I'd do a bit of educating. Do you know why Democrats want to disarm blacks, Mr. Firth? You're a self-identified Democrat, as I recall.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:59 PM

I don't belong to any political party.

WHO SAID Democrats want to disarm blacks specifically?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:05 PM

Many Dems support the NRA which makes this thread ridiculous. Fortunately Black People don't need semi-automatic weapons which are used mainly by white idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,mando-player-91
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:12 PM

Because we are evil Nazis who love dictators haven't you heard???

This is the biggest croc of shit I've read in 5 minutes

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:54 PM

Songwronger with nothing to do, stirring the septic tank to while away his spare time. Seens to do a lot of that.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: olddude
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:57 PM

entertaining however :-) where does he come up with this stuff. Keep em coming

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 08:06 PM

Spaw was right. You are an asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 08:22 PM

I wasn't addressing that to Songwronger.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 08:40 PM

The OP seems to need a lot of attention - and he doesn't get it in the real world. He can find it here. End of story.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 08:48 PM

Interesting, despite the (typically) stupid and foul attacks--it does seem that some Mudcatters are far more fluent in gutter langugage than any other-- on those who post on such a thread, to know that's the new rumor the gun nuts intend to spread.   

Too bad similar rumors of liberal ideas targeting blacks never got anywhere--for instance that birth control measures are anti-black, or that supporting a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants is unfair to blacks. Wonder why these brilliant ideas never seem to get much traction.

Face it: if you can think, no matter what color you are, you recognize desperate scaremongering for what it is.

But I always think it's intriguing to hear what the other side is thinking---even if the other side is not thinking at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 08:57 PM

La dee da, Ron. You missed what happened. Completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 09:03 PM

Hmmmmmm???

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 09:10 PM

You want to know why trolls keep hanging around here?

Read the list of names at the top of the thread.

Keep servicing them, and they never stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 09:10 PM

This isn't about attention for me; it's about attention being placed on the real reasons for disarmament.

Liberals have assumed the "white man's burden" of providing for blacks (look at all the programs that encourage government dependency). Part of the white man's burden is making sure that blacks are kept in their place, weapons-wise. Hence, the Democrats are pushing legislation to disarm blacks.

Or so it seems. No one has presented an argument sufficient to convince me otherwise. You're all too busy posturing, showing your pretended outrage to one another.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 09:44 PM

Sorry people, I said precisely what needed to be said--and didn't even have to fall into the gutter once.   Gee, it can be done after all.   NB

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 09:48 PM

What you missed, Jeri, is that about 20 of us just hit "submit" without having posted anything... That spoke volumes... Those posts were taken down...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 10:00 PM

It said you read his post and cared enough to refresh the thread.

Servicing the trolls...

again.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 10:04 PM

No, I didn't read anything past the title and I'm sure that many of the others didn't, as well... I think it was understood by all of us that we were abstaining...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 10:52 PM

And another gang of troll feeders keeps it going. Jeri is right, but we all know none of you can sit on your hands and let it die. As a mod and a long-time member it is disgusting, disheartening, and plain stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 10:58 PM

I started the blank posts. Sorry about that. Maybe I should have pulled the old "Eminem" (filter that old thread if ya don't know whatI am talking about).

By the way... anyone see any of the more recent M&M videos? I gotta say I haven't but that I did see certain videos of the rapper and I find some of his poetry absolutely stunning.

Now, I don't like Rap "music" (and THAT is the crux of the biscuit I can't seem to butter and get down me t'roat - know what I am sayin, b'y, eh?) in the overall but Eminem's poetry is truly stunning to me. Of course, the old question, "What is Rap?", which has been pondered within this forum at least once, including in this post, will never get "truly answered" due to the subjective nature of the question, indeed as likened to, as some have pondered, "What is folk?" or, perhaps, more germain to the present sub-subject, as proposed, in a way, by Spaw, "What is an asshole?".

So, I gotta ask me, "Why NOT just post a blank space as I did and smile when I saw all the other blank posts that followed mine?" Well, such a form of protest is, at best, ineffective as it "tells" the AH that someone actually read his/her/it's post. That is the true nature of the blank post. The blank post speaks volume to an AH and therefore is no less effective than an actually response.

Now, obviously, THIS post is no more effective in "discrediting" an AH but by not simply posting a blank post, this post may remain posted and serve as a reminder to all that I really fucked up with my blank post. Yes, I meant it as a form of protest but it had the opposite effect and actually went against the FACT the the only way to deal with an asshole or troll or bully is to NOT POST AT ALL.

That is what Joe and Jeri and others have been telling me, us, for years and I KNOW that but sometimes I just get SOOOOOOOOO pissed off that I want to SHOUT it with silence.... but when I post silence, I post a SHOUT louder than anything I could post otherwise. And that is what the AH/troll/bully wants.

Now, that is a long winded way of saying what Jeri said but when have you ever know me to just say, "Jeri, Joe, whoever deleted my blank posts...sorry. I know better but sometimes I just get SOOOOOOOO pissed off that I forget to follow your (and my, if I had any) common sense."?

Comments and suggestions are welcome, ineed requested, regarding this post. Am I making any sense? Am I helping or hindering? After all, I am just a gnu, a dumb animal. Gentle and docile...

For the most part.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 10:59 PM

I thought that seeing one poster after another posting nothing but just hitting submit was the strongest act I have seen at Mudcat since I have been here and that goes back a long, long time...

I think the mods should allow for people to abstain in that manner...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 11:21 PM

The outrage demonstrated here is as fake as Obama's crocodile tears after the Sandy Hook shootings. He wiped a dry eye with the world watching. Wipe your dusty eyes, hypocrites. You want to disarm blacks because you fear them. You jumped at the chance to play White Man's Burden with your government dependency programs, and as a result you now have ghettos full of infantilized blacks. With guns. So you push new gun control laws. That's what this is all about. And don't blame me for the situation. I've always thought we should invest in black communities, create jobs and self-respect, not government dependency.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 11:24 PM

I have to admit that the blank space in the comment section was the most intelligent thing I've ever seen Bobert post. I vote that he be allowed to continue saying what's on his mind in that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 11:46 PM

Anybody who whines about "troll feeders" has an obvious move.   Don't post--at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 08:52 AM

Unlike you, my blank space doesn't waste bandwidth, wronger...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 09:47 AM

Typical Songwronger. So stupid, he hasn't noticed that there are very large numbers of black Democrats.

Par for the course.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 01:14 PM

He somehow thinks that his current rumor will change that.

But, as I noted earlier, similar rumors have not had wonderful success, to put it mildly.

Now, what was that definition of insanity?   As I recall it was something along the lines of trying the same thing over and over expecting to get a different result.

"desperate scaremongering"

QED

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 01:24 PM

Sorry,

Dems do NOT want to disarm Blacks. They make the presumption that all Blacks are criminals, and will violate the laws, as they have in the Dem controlled urban areas like Chicago in the past. They do want to make it look like they are doing something about gun violence, without having to actually deal with the causes or results in any real fashion.




"Now, what was that definition of insanity?   As I recall it was something along the lines of trying the same thing over and over expecting to get a different result.
"

You mean like outlawing automatic weapons, and making it a crime for criminals to possess guns????

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 01:40 PM

"Mr. President, Chicago's Gun Victims Need You Now
By Tom Bevan - January 18, 2013


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Mr. President, please come to Chicago.

In Washington on Wednesday, as you rolled out a slate of gun control measures quickly cobbled together in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, you said, "If there is even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there is even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try."

If you believe those words, Mr. President, here is a heartfelt suggestion: Come back to your adopted hometown and personally host a summit that grapples seriously with the causes of -- and crafts meaningful solutions to -- gang violence in America's big cities.

It's really not much of an exaggeration to say that parts of Chicago resemble a war zone. The numbers are grim. Unofficially, there were 513 homicides in Chicago in 2012, nearly 100 more than New York City, which recorded 414 killings but which has a population three times larger. Chicago's body count is 200 more than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan last year. The carnage has continued unabated into the New Year.

It's gone on too long, sir.

The sad reality is that while terrible mass shootings like the ones at Aurora and Newtown shock the nation's conscience, pull at the public's heartstrings, and garner wall-to-wall media coverage, they represent a tiny fraction of the number of gun homicides in the country every year.

Consider this, Mr. President: During the first 16 days of January, 26 people have been killed by guns in Chicago -- the exact same number as at Sandy Hook Elementary School. By the time this year is out, the south and west sides of the city we both call home will have endured, in terms of sheer numbers of people killed, the equivalent of 20 Sandy Hook massacres. That's on top of the equivalent of the 19 Sandy Hooks the city experienced in 2012.

Yet there has been little outcry by the national media, and not much public attention paid to Chicago's crucible by either national political party. Just the sterile news stories in the local papers every morning recounting the details of yet another young person's life cut short and another family ripped apart thanks to senseless violence.

The other sad reality, Mr. President, is that almost nothing proposed this week in Washington, D.C., by your administration will do anything to stem the tide of gun violence in our inner cities. Most of these crimes were not committed with semi-automatic assault weapons, they weren't committed by the mentally ill, and they won't be stopped by universal background checks.

If you are serious about doing everything in your power to curb gun violence and save lives, then you must harness your immense popularity in Chicago -- and in other big cities -- to address the elephant in the room: the failures of a society grown coarsened, desensitized to violence, and too tolerant of such carnage.

This is true of American culture broadly: Hollywood has become too blithe in its glorification of murder, and makers of ultra-violent video games share some of the blame too. But it's particularly true within the African-American community, where too many fatherless young men have given up hope for a better future and embraced a nihilistic gang culture that not only accepts brutal violence on a daily basis but encourages it.

During your presidency you've been asked a number of times about issues of concern to the black community, such as the high rate of African-American unemployment. You tend to respond, gracefully, and rightly, I believe, that you are president of all Americans, and not just one particular group or another.

This issue is different. Because of your heritage and your stature as the first African-American president, you may be the only person in this country who has the influence and moral standing to speak much needed truths to address this longstanding scourge in the black community.

As you said, "If there is even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there is even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try."

There is one thing you can do, Mr. President. Come home to Chicago. Talk to the kids. If they'll listen to anybody, they'll listen to you. "

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 02:04 PM

""They're giving out guns in the ghetto
They're saying they will set you free
One day I'll have children of my own
But I'm afraid they won't have me""

Guns In The Ghetto Lyrics - UB40

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:01 PM

Actually, it's Republicans who want to disarm Black groups such as the Panthers.
They are the ones with the real paranoia about Blacks with guns. Dems are not all of one opinion. Some are paranoid and some not.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:37 PM

Yeah, you don't see lines of black folks at gun shops waiting to buy semi-automatic weapons...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Elmore
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 06:15 PM

A horse walks into a bar.... Oops. Sorry. Wrong thread. Thought I was in the joke thread. After all, Songwronger is the biggest joke of 2013.(next to BB).

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 10:14 PM

Okay. Now that the trauma's worn off, this is why I say that Democrats want to disarm blacks.

The fact is evident in the mechanics of the new gun laws being proposed. They all demand stricter background checks.

The checks would be fine if the purpose was to weed out psychos, but it's not. You can't pass the check if you have a criminal history. Blacks are about five times more likely to have a criminal history than whites. So, this is just one more backdoor way for whitey to disarm blacks.

And the Democrats are culpable because they're the ones who want more and more laws, bigger and bigger government, more and more activity criminalized. Democrats pass laws that define blacks as criminals, then they say that criminals won't be allowed guns.

I think blacks should be afforded the same access to guns as whites. Democrats need to get their racist anti-gun mania under control.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,Mrr whose computer RsIP
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 11:11 PM

I thought we wanted to disarm everybody?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 11:28 PM

"this is why I say" the moon is made of green cheese.   Sorry, SW, the Big Lie approach only works on uneducated people--or at least those who want to believe whatever outlandish assertion you make.

In this case neither applies.

As a thinker you leave a bit to be desired, to put it mildly. But even as a propagandist you fail.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 09:07 AM

We have at least a couple of threads going here with people responding to Songtwisters sewage as if to debate against a genuine opinion; I submit that we have no reason whatever to assume that he actually believes the stuff that he defecates here so he can watch people complain about the stench.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 10:23 AM

Violence or peaceful action, who was right?

Does the USA not now have a black president now verifying the MLK approach, not through Malcolm X approach through violence and guns? (Maybe some white folks dont like this progress, and would have preferred the alternative, where blacks, in a minority, would have been further or marginalized or eliminated)? Unfortunately bothe of these folks died from gunshots.


MLK-Malcom X Debate

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 10:28 AM

""I think blacks should be afforded the same access to guns as whites""



Or, verse-visa ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 11:07 AM

"I submit we have no reason..."

There is an obvious solution, as I've noted, for anybody who feels that way:   don't post on the thread.    Duh.

I feel SW is an interesting sociological study--if he's not a giant put-on. It is admittedly hard to imagine that he actually believe any of the tripe he spews.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:40 AM

""I think blacks should be afforded the same access to guns as whites. Democrats need to get their racist anti-gun mania under control.""

I don't think there's any law preventing black Americans from buying and keeping guns, is there?

I think what stops blacks from lining up at gun shops and gun shows is plain common sense.

Every black American is only too aware of the reaction of White America to a black (any black) with a gun. If he isn't wearing a cop uniform, he must be a drug dealer or a gang member.

Having a gun increases the chance of being shot for a black citizen, yet if in the course of being mugged, he uses his gun to defend himself, he is likely to be the one jailed.

Think Zimmerman v. Trayvon Martin. Martin was unarmed and dead and Zimmerman wasn't even arrested until the public outcry forced the Florida authorities' hand.

No SW, I think most ordinary black Americans don't want to know about being armed.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 01:25 PM

"he actually believes"

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:11 PM

Instead of knocking Songwronger, and calling him a bunch of 'juvenile talking point's names'..why not address the topic, and share ideas as to 'why'....maybe there are things to learn..or disregard..or consider.
...but this slamming people around, speaks volumes as to why one doesn't want to subscribe to your mindsets.
Fair enough?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:29 PM

No GfS!

It would be fair enough if it came from one of the members whose utterances command respect, but from you?

I don't think so!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do Democrats want to Disarm Blacks?
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:39 PM

Address what topic ? The original question deserves to be "addressed" about as much as the question "Why do Republicans want to spay all women Democrats".