BS: Are fewer people posting?

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 02:16 PM

I think most members here have lost touch with reality, this is a playground for aging hippies, and new age "liberals".

No one is allowed to rock the boat which floats on the flat calm Mudcat sea.
When the seas get choppy and the real world starts to intrude, members run for cover. That seems to be what is happening here.

The illusion must never be betrayed, seeds of doubt must never be planted.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM

My delusions are a lot more stimulatin' than yers, Megan!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Megan L
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 02:01 PM

that from an overgrown baboon with delusions of granduer

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:54 PM

Yer not makin' any sense, John. I think you need to cut down on the ale, get more exercise, maybe go for a brisk walk at dawn each day, get some oxygen in yer blood, fer Chrissake!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:20 PM

99 Change threads Is this the right room for an argument?

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Megan L
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:12 PM

From what I see in here some pots that took delight in miscryin the kettle are doing a fair bit o greetin when the kettle returns the favour

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:11 PM

What do you mean birds??






:)

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:11 PM

I dare say you have, Keith. I cannot say I have but, as always, I am willing to learn

Could someone also please define for me just what is a bullying or abusive post as opposed to a strong disagreement, a criticism of a persons work or ideas or simply an argument? Preferably with examples of it happening here?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM

I have seen examples of people intimidated from contributing by aggressive, bullying posts.
GSS and Lizzie are tough old birds, but many are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 12:57 PM

As I understand it the purpose of this forum is to discuss music, is posters stuck to that this forum would in my opinion be better

I agree, Dick, it would be better. But, in my opinion, the purpose of the BS section, is to discuss things OTHER than music. So, if you just want to discuss music, stay above the line. If you want to get involved in the free for all that is BS then feel free. But don't join in the mixed martial arts championships and then complain that someone has punched you in the nose!

I did not see the comments made by Doug and Ralph in context. I dunno if they were above or below the line and, if above, I don't know if they were a critics opinion of your act and music or just abuse. Again, only in my opinion, a lot of people are quite happy to make conversational posts but, when someone disagrees, they scream that they are being abused or bullied.

I could just shake my head in disbelief, and often do, but when that post is blatantly abusive, mis-informed or just plain wrong I cannot help but comment. That is me. It is what I do. It is not bullying or stalking or even abuse. It is usually a reaction to a ludicrous comment. If that is wrong then stick a label on my head, call me Flashman and send me back to Tom Browns schooldays!

But, provided that you keep your promise that you are out of here, then I guess I AM one of the reasons people post less. If the powers that be are happy with that, then so be it!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 12:55 PM

You takin' us internet arguers lightly, John McKenzie? You think we are just here for yer idle amusement so's you can snicker down yer sleeve at us while nursin' yer warm beer and scratchin' under yer hairy human armpits??? Hmmm? You better watch it, John, cos us Chimps don't put up with that sorta disrespectful attitude, no sir! We are gonna be taken SERiously when we bitch and carry on about stuff, and if somebody is dumb enough NOT to take us seriously, then we're gonna pound his head against a tree trunk a few times and maybe rip his arms off, see?

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 12:24 PM

Oooh! Who's a precious boy then?

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 11:35 AM

As I understand it the purpose of this forum is to discuss music, is posters stuck to that this forum would in my opinion be better, for that reason I have nothing more to say on this thread,good bye.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: theleveller
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 10:52 AM

Awwww! I read that as 'Are fewer people posing', which sounded like a really interesting thread. I'm disappointed to just find the same old boring grumpy stuff that's the reason I don't come here much any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 10:37 AM

"Because someone disagrees with your views or criticises something you have said or done is not tantamount to bullying."

Ummm... amen. But GSS will no doubt have his own opinion on that. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: number 6
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 09:59 AM

Now that my day job is being a full time house husband I find I just don't have the time to hang out here at the Madcat.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 08:53 AM

Well this thread is getting really interesting now. A goodly mixture of paranoia and narcisssism, is always a good fuel for conflict.
Keep it up folks. my boring Easter weekend, is getting considerably brighter, by the hour :)

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 07:44 AM

Dave, the comments d chadwick and ralph jordan mde were abusive comments, abusive comments are bullying.
I continue to post here, because the majority are decent people on this forum, who post interesting posts about music, my post about partial capos in my opinion is what this forum should be about, here was another post i found useful, this is what this forum should be about discussing music not dissing other people humour etc.
i found this clip through this forum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4DWcpYOQM0

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 07:12 AM

I dare Chadwick AND Jordan to say that stuff to my face.

I try not to post anything that I would not say to someone's face and, quite frankly, even after re-reading it, I'm surprised that you took it as a personal attack sufficient to drive people away. Perhaps it just reflects the unsubtle nature of the written word. Trying to explain my original comments on an open forum could easily lead to the public fighting that we are trying to avoid. If ever our paths cross, GSS, I would be more than happy to discuss it further, face to face.

More importantly, if you want to use the name Chadwick to address me, it comes attached either to Doug or Mr.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 06:51 AM

Are you saying that bullying and unpleasantness in general cause fewer posts, Dick? If so, and both you and Lizzie are bring bullied, how come it hasn't stopped you posting?

There is a HUGE difference between Bullying, disagreement and criticism which a lot of people do not seem to be aware of. Because someone disagrees with your views or criticises something you have said or done is not tantamount to bullying. It is far easier to hide behind the guise of being a victim than to come back with a sensible argument or a good response to criticism.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 06:07 AM

The fact that a poster has not posted in months does not excuse the original unpleasantness.
The facts are Lizzie Cornish was bullied, and I received an unpleasant message from a moderator, I also received abuse from Ralph and Doug Chadwick.
Internet abuse is not excused by length of time any more than sexual abuse or physical abuse.
The Moderators on this forum are all volunteeers and in my opinion 95 percent of the time do a very good job.
Abusers like Jordan and Chadwick need to think and control themselves before they post, internet ABUSERS like Jordan [who also made an irrelevant derogatory remark about a CD I made, ..."THE LESS SAID ABOUT YOUR RECORDING THE BETTER" should be ashamed of themselves.
I dare Chadwick AND Jordan to say that stuff to my face.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 05:41 AM

And it's because blatant specism is tolerated here

Agreed, Chongo. Maybe us shorter folk should form an alliance!

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 05:39 AM

I was amused fairly recently by an accusation of being a Troll and lurking under a false disguise. (by Richard Bridge) I'm not totally sure what an Internet Troll is. I assume it's a rather nasty person who sabotages threads and aggravates everyone with insults and vituperative comments. I'm not by any means Saint Eliza, but at my age to be deemed a Troll and to have cooked up a false persona into the bargain is rather funny! I suppose some people suffer from indifferent digestion, constipation or a bad night's sleep and it makes them crotchety and savage. They should have a nice cup of cocoa and a laxative tablet. I'm sure they'd feel better the next day and post politely.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 04:02 AM

Hey, Ralphie, good to see you!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 02:06 AM

We know what the chimps are doing. You tailless pygmy marmoset!

Animal Barter.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 02:01 AM

Errrrm....confused....Why the tirade? Haven't posted here in months!

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 01:51 AM

More importantly, are fewer Chimps posting? I think so! And it's because blatant specism is tolerated here, even encouraged! It's a disgrace.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Ed T
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 08:07 PM

"To be angry about trifles is mean and childish; to rage and be furious is brutish; and to maintain perpetual wrath is akin to the practice and temper of devils; but to prevent and suppress rising resentment is wise and glorious, is manly and divine."
Alan Watts quote

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 07:21 PM

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and this from another mudcat member
Subject:Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick - PM.
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:04 AM
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That was a personal attack, AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO REMOVE THE POST.ARE YOU SURPRISED PEOPLE LEAVE THIS FORUM, I AM NOT..

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Oooh 'eck! I've never seen myself as being a trouble maker, causing others to leave.

I thought that you had just ignored my comments back then, Dick, but all this time you have been bottling it up.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 05:30 PM

this personal message reminded me of fahrenheit 451, where the fireman burn the books rather than put fires out.
My Dear Mr. Miles,

I would like to inform you that in my opinion, you perfectly fit the definition of a Certified Asshole.

Congratulations!

-Joe Offer-
however despite this unpleasant post from joe offer, I think overall he did a good job as moderator

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 04:10 PM

BTW - I am REALLY Dave - not 'dave' in inverted commas.

Dunno how that came about. Don't really care but find it interesting all the same :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 04:05 PM

Well, the less said about the above the better but it made a very good case for what I said about a small handful creating havoc! Just to pick one point, Liz says, about me

how much he liked and admired Jimmy Saville...

What I actually said in the referenced thread was

"Listening to Tony Blackbutrn on Pick of the Pops earlier today and realising what a huge difference DJs made to my generation. JS was one of the best and most influential."

Nothing whatsoever about how I either liked or admired him! Adolph Hitler was also one of the best and influential to a lot of people but I did not admire him either! Just shows what damage insidious lies and rumours can do if not called out. Anyway. They toys have gone out of the pram again. I have no doubt whatsoever that she will be back. Maybe some of the people who have left will return now that she has gone and those 'protecting' her no longer do so, but I suspect the damage has already been done.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 03:55 PM

I think Lizzie was bullied, and I posted my opinion to a moderator.
I think that posts like the one i made today about partial capos, should be what this forum is about., sadly no one has appeared to notice it.
I have suffered abuse from a number of people, Ralph Jordan was one who tried to tell me I would never be booked to play in the south east of England again, RALPH you were wrong I have since played at the following folk clubs,Faversham,Deal, Waltham Abbey, St Neots,Romford,Lewes,Swindon,uxbridge, maidenhead,tenterden folk festival, stanford, croydon.
and this from another mudcat member
Subject:Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick - PM
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:04 AM

From Captain Birdsey:
like Diane,I thought these cartoons were funny 30 years ago.
…………………………………………………………………
now I find them predictable ……………………………………..

and from Diane Easby:
……….I got bored with Borfolk 30 years ago,………..

So, where did either of you see the Mudcat parody 30 years ago? Even if the message is the same, the approach is fresh and amusing.



From another thread:

For more than 30 years Mudcat's Dick Miles has been play and writing traditional music………………….

Captain, perhaps it's a good job people don't apply your sense of humour to their musical tastes, otherwise you could find your upcoming tour playing to pretty small audiences.


DC
    the above was allowed by the moderators, doug chadwick takes an extract from my website, accuses me of not having a sense of humour, and suggesting that because I have a different sense of humour, i would be playing to small audiences
That was a personal attack, AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO REMOVE THE POST.ARE YOU SURPRISED PEOPLE LEAVE THIS FORUM, I AM NOT.
   Because I said that I did not find it funny,I am subjected to personal attacks.
ON ANOTHER OCCASION I was also accused of taking hallucinatory drugs by IAN ANDERSON, because I criticised a review which appeared to be in Folk roots, but was actually a review by a James O Donnell, which was cleverly giving the impression it was A Folk Roots REVIEW., but in fact was not.
   Ian Anderson has since banned me from his forum.
TALK ABOUT MUSICAL FASCISM, performers are not allowed to criticise hatchet job reviews.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Janie
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 03:18 PM

As best I can tell, this thread is about "Are Fewer People Posting?" Hope it gets back on track and continues to be about that topic.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 01:15 PM

Well I dont know about all your problems Lizzie, but you're spot on about Brucie, one of the kindest and most trustworthy guys I've ever come across.

Its been worth all the aggro just to have come to know Bruce,George, Jim McLean, Keith and that rehabilitated Sassenach Readwulf.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 01:15 PM

Apparently, wearing your heart on your sleeve, is a crime in some quarters

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 12:10 PM

Fook, forgot to fill in the 'Guest' part.... That post above is from me...

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 12:09 PM

The Original Thread - which this thread is about....and from where *my* words come from.

I started that thread, to which I've linked above, PURELY to pass on a new video (to me) of John Elder Robison, talking about the HUGE benefits he's gained from TMS Research, which he has very willingly taking part in.

John has Aspergers, and is also the author of 'Look Me In The Eye'- his autobiograhy, which is a brilliant and informative book..

I put it in here PURELY because I know there are many people in Mudcat who either know children/people who have Autism, or who have chidren/relatives themselves on the Circle..

Yes,I know others call it The Spectrum, but I call it the Circle...

INSTANTLY dave came on with a link to a thread which he KNOWS caused a great deal of consternation in here, whilst he chose to make NO comment on the videos I'd posted whatsoever.

What dave does NOT know is that in the thread he linked to, where I fought off a great deal of downright unpleasantness, I also wrote a message about how it feels, for some, to have Aspergers/Autism..and that one person, whom I will not name, contacted me about a member of their family who had seen that post and had been able to see themselves in that message, which they felt was of great help to them.

That ONE message to me enabled me to throw away all the SHITTY comments in that thread, because if I was able to help just ONE person, that was enough for me.

dave, if you do not believe me, then you can check with Bruce, because he knows. I trust Bruce more than anyone else in here, and I know that he would never reveal any more details, but he will be able to verify what I say.

In a recent thread about the odious Jimmy Saville dave did EXACTLY the same thing when I left a comment saying how this man had always made my skin crawl, even as a very young person...and how revolting he was etc...He then chose to call me out as being someone who had said that women themselves caused rapes to happen..and that it was all their fault, again, giving a link to a thread from AGES back, just as he did in the link above...and taking what words I DID actually say, TOTALLY out of context, to portray me in the WORST possible way he could.

Of course, he also stated in that thread, which was about Saville dying, and NOT started at the time the TRUTH about him was coming out, how much he liked and admired Jimmy Saville...

No comment...

Also, he loves to continually call me 'Liz'...a name I have REPEATEDLY asked both he and Greg (also in the thread I link to) to NOT call me, as it is a name that has very personal connotations for me and has only ever been used by those for whom I have a deep love, like my Darlin' Dad, or by those for whom I have the utmost respect, such as Bruce...Yet over and over and OVER he has gone out of his way to refer me to thus, stating it's his 'schoolboy humour'...

No. It is the humour of Bullies, actually...

I am now SO sick of him, of Greg and of Spaw too, who has at times, been outrageously rude to me, but because he's considered the Mudcat Darling has NOT been called out by others....

I don't care if others 'go off me' for if something is wrong, then I'll darn well say so...

This place has come to stink, I'm afraid...

The Bastards drove me out of the Music Section, but even that is NOT enough, for they simply want me gone from everywhere...

Well, they've got their wish on Mudcat...for I now find this place SO unpleasant...and part of that is also because one mod in particular who lets these bastards CONTINUALLY get away with things, whilst calling ME a troll (Jeri, are you listening?!) gives out the VERY WRONG MESSAGE over and again and that is that it's OK for those SHE likes to pour shite over those she DOESN'T like....

I kept quiet about her for a very VERY long time, because she is the friend of someone else, but I no longer choose to do so anymore, because she ENCOURAGES these fuckers to do this in her 'put downs' of me all the time. Others see her opinions as correct PURELY because they know she's a mod...

Well, fuck that...

John protected me, as did Joe...
Joe has my full permission at all and any time to look through any PMs sent to me, or that I have sent out...and that also protects me..

But now, I've had it....

It's REALLY sad, because backalong I LOVED coming to Mudcat, talking about the music that I loved, but they even took that away from me, targetting any musicians whose music I loved with ridicule, making THEM feel bad and hoping I'd stop talking about them...

They'd drag up post after post, thread after thread, because these guys have it all stored and saved on their computers, probably all cross referenced too, because THAT is how sick some of them are, how deeply they hate me, how deep their desire to get others to see me through their bitter and resentful eyes..

I find 'dave' to make my skin crawl in the way Savile did, but for different reasons, for, to me, he has a VERY UNHEALTHY obssession with me, as did some of his former buddies, one of whom was bordering on the insane in my view, SO obssessive did he become about me...

I'm done here....
So are many others...

It is the fault of those who run Mudcat for ALLOWING these bastards on here in the first place, for choosing VERY BIASED mods as well...

But it's there site..nowt to do with me...

However, it IS sad to see it go the way of the BBC board, year by year, because so few people, especially NEW people post here now....

I'm off

Have a good life....

And with thanks to John for being a decent mod...and to Joe Offer too, for they may have issues with me at one time, but once they came to understand me, to see with their own eyes what was going on, they became very decent towards me..and I'll never forget that...

And with thanks to Bruce too, who worked so hard to try to get others to see me with different eyes..I always appreciated that Bruce and loved you for it too..You're one lovely fella, as well as a bloody brilliant singer, songwriter and musician... xx

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 05:12 AM

Outside the tent pissin' in, is much more fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 04:24 AM

Joe: Many thanks. Sorry I missed that, but have now followed some up.

I like her: she reminds me of me! up to a point, Lord Copper.

Must find time some time to read some more.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 03:47 AM

Hi Michael -
I gave a link (click) in the post where I first mentioned Elsie.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 02:45 AM

As a newbie, only 4 years, I should like to check back on some of Elsie's policing posts, but not sure how to set about accessing them.

How?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 10:51 PM

Joe-

Thanks for providing some statistics for this discussion. I don't post here much anymore on anything but music topics. That's not because anyone has abused me or attacked me.

My other interests are discussed on Facebook and some of my music interests as well. Facebook does provide me an easy way to post graphics and I am now an active member and administrator of several nautically related forums. But I do value what I have learned from Mudcat; much of the musical discussion, and even some of the digressions were great.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 09:04 PM

Wow.Re-reading some of those old threads and remarks sure brings back memories of missing comrades. I was in sympathy with Elsie and made my own futile attempts to argue for a narrower view, and I see I missed several very telling posts by Barry Finn, lamarca, and Frank Phillips in thread 1392 on "California Dreamin'"

Some of you knew, as I did, both Barry Finn and Mary LaMarca as very knowledgeable and eclectic singers and researchers. They seem to have made 'ol Elsie's point better than she did - and then Frank Phillips (who I never met) adds even more!

Max has finally given up on any attempt to limit the discussion to "Folk & Blues" as the original banner read, and the forum reflects that. We will survive.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:20 PM

Gargoyle,is at least still with/against us, I am never quite sure which, but he /she certainly is not sitting on the fence.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:10 PM

Thanks Joe.

Garg, Joe told me about the changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:59 PM

Elsie and Mr. Sandman. I haven't heard that song in years, and mention of it brought it back. Now it will be an earworm. Will Fly, stick to watches!

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:35 PM

The new rules have been on the Membership Page since August, 2011.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: Will Fly
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:31 PM

Hey Joe (no, not the POP song), thanks for that "Elsie" link. What gloriously frustrated posts! Shame she isn't around today - it would be great fun to wrassle with her, verbally of course.

Looks like "Mr. Sandman" was her Maginot Line - and it's a great tune as well. I'll be playing it as part of our jazz set next Sunday...

Subject: RE: BS: Are fewer people posting?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 07:15 PM

Dear JackTheSailor......

Would you please post the link for " the new rules Max " presented.

I have skimmed through the past Six weeks .... and I find no new rules from Max.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

<< I always a law abiding citizen....if the popeish, prince of paupers has made a declaration...I need to know.