BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns

Subject: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:47 PM

Obama, my Obama. I weep for you, holding your own backside after it was handed to you by the Senate. They shot down every one of your proposals on gun control.

But what do they know? They're just the elected representatives of the people, but you ARE the people. THANK YOU for announcing that you'll ignore the senate and implement your gun proposals through executive orders. Thank you. Thank you. PLEASE enact laws (I mean, uh, orders) that will force criminals to face tough new registration procedures in their back alley deals. PLEASE limit me to five shots so that I can make the criminal with his fifteen shot clip feel guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 08:52 PM

Let me make it official: You, Songwronger, will never pass the test for legal gun ownership.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:14 PM

Dingdonger...get help.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM

Hey, ShitWringer- Gai tren zich!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,More of this goof's bullshit
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:27 PM

What executive order?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-acts-strengthen-gun-background-check-system-161119254.html

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:48 PM

Hell, he did that back in February. I read about it in the Washington Post.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 09:57 PM

As a card carrying gun toting neanderthal I had no problem at all with trying to get rid of the gun show loophole. That made sense, however we have a thing called separation of power and the high court isn't going to allow anything like an executive order.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:12 PM

As a card carrying gun toting neanderthal I agree. The President has Constitutional power to do many things, but any of them can be challenged for constitutionality.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:22 PM

Vice President Biden told White House allies in the gun control fight Thursday that President Obama will be announcing new executive actions on gun violence in the days after the Senate voted down a gun violence bill.

On a conference call with "stakeholders," Biden told gun control advocates that the fight is not over and that eventual action on gun control will come. Press were not invited to the conference call; a participant provided BuzzFeed with access.

"Look I know you're going to say that I'm just being an optimist and I'm trying to put a good face on this. But you know I've been around here a long time and we've already done, because of you, some really good things," Biden said. "Number one, the president is already lining up some additional executive actions he's going to be taking later this week."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/biden-pledges-more-executive-action-on-guns-later-this-week

The court won't allow Obama to have supreme rule? Then do away with the courts! Do away with the senate! The Ceasars did, and is not Obama greater than any Ceasar? I just pray that Obama's Praetorian guards are armed to the teeth while he spreads his message of anti-gun Obamalove from his throne. Is Obama not a god? Are we not blessed? Protect us, Obama. Thy armed Praetorians and thy Executive Orders they comfort me, for thine is the kingdom and the power and the gory forever, he-man.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:36 PM

That kinda explains everything, Songwronger.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 11:50 PM

Good! It's bloody well about time that President Obama exercised a little authority.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 09:08 AM

Anybody who whines about this should look at the list proposed.

Before they post.

It doesn't seem constitutionality should be a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: kendall
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 10:17 AM

90% of us want background checks. A handful of Senators blocked it. So, congress is not willing to do what we demand, so the President is going to do it. Anyone who believes in democracy has to support him.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 10:22 AM

"A handful of Senators blocked it."

And the handful are recipients of generous "donations" from the NRA.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 10:37 AM

Or, to put it another way, DIng-DOng - the people HAVE spoken. They don't want nutters like you to have guns. The New York plans AS THEY WERE were pretty good but did not go far enough.

The second amendment is an anachronism, and indeed cannot possibly or rationally mean what a few gun nuts want it to mean.

Statistically, I think I have noted (but cannot be arsed to hunt for the source) owning or carrying a gun increases your risk of being harmed by a gun manyfold.

Only vigilante nutters want to go hunting for innocent kids called Trayvon with a repeating weapon.

Ding dong!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:10 AM

Richard Bridge; "The second amendment is an anachronism, and indeed cannot possibly or rationally mean what a few gun nuts want it to mean." Well said.

"Happy for us that when we find our constitutions defective and insufficient to secure the happiness of our people, we can assemble with all the coolness of philosophers and set it to rights,"--Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1787.

He also said something to the effect that all constitutions should expire after 19 years and each suceeding generation should write their own.

If our legislators don't have the backbone to work the will of the people I'm glad we have a president with the courage to act for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:22 AM

Alaska's Senator Mark Begich sold out, I believe, in a studied response to his re-election bid that comes up next year.

Alaska is huge and its geographic terrain and lifestyle in many rural and wilderness areas demand more gun use than most states, so I do somewhat understand the resistance to feared gun confiscation. However, gun control/registration with background checks is a no-brainer, as is a ban on weaponry that is meant only for use against humans.

Senator Begich, I believe, is pandering to the no-controls-at-any-cost crowd. I am very disappointed in him and won't vote for him again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:35 PM

Even in Alaska the biggest weapon you'd need would be a long rifle with maybe a 5 shot magazine, in case of attack by more than one polar bear or caribou or moose. Yes I am being a bit sarcastic. For those the tiny bullets in the automatic weapons would be useless anyway. A hunter needs nothing more lethal than an old-fashioned single-shot bolt-action 303 like I used to use in the corps at school.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:29 PM

Worth reminding people that a pretty sizeable majority of Senators voted in support of the gun law proposals, and the evidence imdicates that a sizeable majority of people agree with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:01 PM

I am a gun owner. Some decades ago I was also a member of the NRA, mainly to receive a copy of their magazine, "The National Rifleman." I was introduce to the "shooting sports" by a guitar student of mine, and he took me to the Seattle Police Athletic Club's firing range (although he wasn't a policeman, he had a membership) for some formal target shooting, and we would also go out to a gravel pit (good backstop) and "plink" (shoot at soft drink cans filled with water and other improvised targets).

On other threads, I have told how my friend always carried a Colt .45 automatic, and how on one occasion he almost killed a good mutual friend of ours when he didn't recognize him in the dark. And how he got arrested and his gun confiscated for 90 days when he sought to "assist" the police in making an arrest by drawing his gun and threatening the "fugitives." He was arrested and sharply reprimanded by a judge because the minor offense the "fugitives" were guilty of did not justify the use of deadly force in apprehending them.

A number of incidents like this, plus some of the more hard-charging articles in "The National Rifleman" convinced me that I was treading in dangerous territory literally, and that I was also dealing with a bit of a lunatic fringe. My gun-toting friend move out of town, and I let my membership in the NRA lapse.

I have a Smith and Wesson Model 41 .22 caliber target pistol (CLICKY (looks more like it should shoot laser beams), and a small, .380 caliber Walther PPK (CLICKY #2), same gun but heavier caliber than the one various James Bonds have used in the movies.

These guns are safely locked away and haven't been used for decades. I feel no need for going armed. Granted, I could encounter a situation such as the one in the Aurora, Colorado movie theater where I wish I had the Walther.

Say I was in that theater situation. I could stop the shooter with one or two shots (the magazine holds six rounds and I'm a damned good shot!). I would have no need for a thirty round magazine. Nor would I be packing an AK-47 around with me.

I refuse to accept the mentality that states that I should go armed all the time.

The Second Amendment, which was written at a time when firearms were single-shot muzzle loading flintlocks, and individuals often depended on hunting to feed themselves and their families, is seriously outdated.

And the idea that a bunch of wild-eyed, self-appointed "militiamen" could stand up for more than ten minutes before a modern, well-equipped and trained army should someone try a totalitarian take-over of the country is simply delusional.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: kendall
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:20 PM

Is there a good reason to go UNarmed?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:38 PM

Yes Kendall. You reduce the risk of killing someone by mistake or unlawfully.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 06:40 PM

I don't think the framers of the Second Amendment could have conceived of anything like THIS!!

Or THIS!!

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Kendall, mandating background checks is not going to keep people from obtaining guns if they feel they really need them. Or hunters, for that matter. It is for the purpose of weeding out those who have already proven that they are dangerous, or who have serious mental problems.

And for self-defense purposes, in most states one can obtain a concealed weapons permit if one has a legitimate reason, such as, say, a wholesale jewelry salesman who, in the course if his work, may have to carry an attaché case full of precious gems. Or a courier with important confidential documents. Or large quantities of cash.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:24 AM

Could someone help me out with a blue clicky for www.ngagunshow.com.? I recently moved to this area from New Hampshire and would like to hear what Mudcatters think of this web site.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 01:38 PM

You're not serious, are you Elmore? And why in God's name did you move to Georgia?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:16 PM

Greg F. Thought people would be interested in how most of the people think in this, the the third most conservative congressional district in the country. We moved to the mountains of North Georgia to be closer to my wife's family. Politics aside, It's beautiful here.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:20 PM

Clicky for Elmore: http://www.ngagunshow.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:37 PM

A hunter needs nothing more lethal than an old-fashioned single-shot bolt-action 303 like I used to use in the corps at school.

I am shocked and saddened that Mr. Bridge would post something like this. How on EARTH could any sane person need even a SINGLE bullet? We need to be DISARMED! I never thought Mr. Bridge would display this level of anti-Obamanism. It must be the race thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 09:18 PM

Well, Elmore - beware of albino banjo players. Among other denizens of that part of the world.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 09:43 PM

I gotta say, Elmore, that North Georgia Gun Show is extreme to the point of being truly frightening.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 10:17 PM

Joe Offer: That's why I was requesting a blue clicky. Sorry about my lame computer and typing skills. Thanks to Bobad.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 10:39 PM

Well as a gun toting Neanderthal I listened to the Boston police say stay inside, lock your doors. And most were saying gee I hope the bad guys don't kick my door in and hold my kids at gun point hostage or kill us all. Me you see, I lock my doors in such situation (and yes we had it 2 years ago with Bucky Phillips on the rampage - cops told us all the same thing) But, after I locked my doors, I loaded two glocks, a shotgun and a .44 mag. A colt .380 Now go ahead and break into my house. You won't like it much

You are right Captain

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 10:45 PM

far as Kendall killing someone by mistake. Again you know nothing of what you talk about. May I remind you he was a Federal and State law enforcement officer who forgot more about firearms then you could ever guess at knowing. I would trust him with the life of anyone.

In any event closing the gun show loophole was righteous, sad that it failed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 10:48 PM

and you are welcome to stay back in England and avoid the States, then you won't have to worry yourself over such Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 10:49 PM

"...after I locked my doors, I loaded two glocks, a shotgun and a .44 mag. A colt .380."

Dan. May I ask how many in your household are trained in crisis shooting? And if there is only you, why on earth did you need three handguns and a shotgun?? And unless you are telling us that Bucky Phillips had a large gang with him on his rampage, he was just one man. In my opinion you are telling us that you are/were an overly fearful man.

Frankly, I agree with our critics that Americans, USA style, are gun crazy. Gun stupid.

Strangely enough, I love you and your generous spirit. But obviously I will never understand you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:02 PM

Ebbie
he killed an officer, wounded two others, they were not sure how much support he was getting or if he truly was alone. was shooting randomly at everyone. Was on the loose breaking into homes. To answer the question, Everyone in my home is very well trained because well their dad was a instructor. There is a difference between fear and prepared

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:06 PM

If I am told a tornado warning it out, I will put food and water in the basement and make ready just in case. No difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:09 PM

Why multiple guns, same reason a police officer carrys a shotgun in his car and a backup firearm. Most also carry pepper spray, stun guns and sharp edged weapons. Why ... well it is a lot easier to have more than you need then less should a jam occur or some other unforeseen event

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: olddude
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 11:11 PM

covert military term is "violence of action" overwhelming force on an aggressor. That is how you stop it. Like the police having 9000 cops after two guys. Those cops were armed with auto weapons, shotguns and even a armed personnel carrier with a 30 cal machine gun if you watched.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 01:35 AM

Elmore: I got the hell out of northern Georgia some 30 years ago because I could not stand the menacing undercurrent of potential violence that ran through all everyday transactions. Those are not well people. Leave while you can.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,SPB at work
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:41 AM

When I visited Athens, Georgia back in 89 it seemed a nice, rational city. What has changed since then?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:53 AM

Georgia is a beautiful state with good people. Like any state there are nut jobs but it is no different than any other state in terms of nut job ratio. 99.99% of the people would be the first to help you in need.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 09:57 AM

I went to North Georgia about 5 years ago on a fishing trip. The fishing was tough but the people couldn't have been nicer, like most folks I've encountered in rural communities.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 10:13 AM

While headed for my new doctor's office, I stupidly backed into a ditch on this old (younger than me?) guy's property. Instead of sending the dogs after me, he got his friend up the road who, with his truck pulled me out of there. The whole event took about 10 minutes. So yes, olddude, I believe I can coexist with these people although their politics are not my politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 10:26 AM

These people? (see above) Did I just use the term, "these people"? OMG, I'm in trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 11:30 AM

coexist with these people although their politics are not my politics.

That'll work until they discover what your politics are...... then watch your back.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 11:33 AM

Yep, you don't want to wind up squealin' like a piggy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 11:54 AM

Ronny Cox, who starred in "Deliverance", is appearing in concert next town over (Hayesville, NC), Saturday night.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 01:01 PM

I'm glad they're helpful. Most people are, in my experience, more especially in small communities. But perhaps it might not be a good idea to go knocking on a strangers door late at night, if they are liable to have five loaded weapons around the place...

There's a saying that when youve just got a hammer everything strats to look like a nail, and I suspect that something analagous might be liable to apply to guns as well in certain circumstances.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama to use Executive Orders on Guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 01:01 PM

I'm glad they're helpful. Most people are, in my experience, more especially in small communities. But perhaps it might not be a good idea to go knocking on a strangers door late at night, if they are liable to have five loaded weapons around the place...

There's a saying that when youve just got a hammer everything strats to look like a nail, and I suspect that something analagous might be liable to apply to guns as well in certain circumstances.