BS: P.E. stops you being gay?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 06:51 PM

Allan, I dont "know", I have opinions, just like you or others who believe homosexuality is based on genetics....a "third sex"

It used to be widely accepted that homosexuality was based on a childs relationship ....or lack of one, with his or her parents.
Sexual, physical, or mental abuse in childhood was also thought to be a factor.


Both of these explanations seem more sensible than hitching ones wagon to an invisible gene.
Surely, with the advancement in genetics in recent years,any link should be patently obvious, but despite millions of £s and the best efforts of science, the pink gene remains undiscovered?

In the meantime science can trace our DNA back into antiquity, make the most amazing discoveries about our ancestors, yet cannot show homosexuality to be anything other than learned, or aquired behaviour.

On "Gat Pride" marches, my position has always been, that if hetero's were to hold such demonstrations, they would surely fall foul of anti discrimination legislation......."Proud to be Hetero is definitely a NO-NO" :0)

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 06:32 PM

"People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological,..."

Just wondering did you become heterosexual (if that is your orientation) at some point? Did you arrive at a point in your life where you had to make a conscious choice between being a homosexual or heterosexual?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:56 PM

Don Firth: "Ludicrous!
Also, I see that GooFuS is still in denial."

Denial???? denial of what?..that they have not found a gene????
So how can it be 'genetic' without there being a 'gene' involved??.....
and don't bother putting up the one with 'three markers'....the 'gene' I told you about......There is no 'gene'.....that's just your rationalization that ran out of steam AND evidence!!!

It's behavioral, nincompoop!
That's why the 'P.E.' thing is somewhat humorous in itself!

Simple as that.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:31 PM

Well said Allan!

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Allan Conn
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:18 PM

"People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological"

You know that? That sounds almost like there is some psychological reason they make that choice and I take it if that were so then a visit to the shrink could possibly 'cure' them. Couldn't it just be that maybe there were born that way and preferring people of the same sex is their natural condition? Even if it isn't the natural condition for the majority population. Why does something need to be 'wrong' with them?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:04 PM

In actuality, the separation of the sexes in typical "PE" appears to be a strong effect in the creation of the "male bonding" that's advocated in several team sports, and that some have suggested is an effective way of suppressing the overt recognition of male homosexual tendencies by disguising them as "something else" more acceptable. The implication is that PE (team sports) to some extent "keeps them in the closet," since it provides an "inoffensive outlet" for their inclinations (if they're not too strong) but there's no real evidence that it changes any one's attitudes by much.

My experience has been that this occurs less frequently in sports where the emphasis is on individual performance like track or wrestling, but is generally something that appears to be fairly common in football and almost as prevalent in basketball/soccer/hockey where there's lots of "physical contact" and much dependence on "cooperation with guys just like me."

There were several "suspects" on my old High School football team, a couple of whom actually did "come out" later. I can't think of any from the track/cross country bunch who are similar examples, and only one from the swim team (but we all knew about him long before he did, so maybe he doesn't count).

John

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:01 PM

Q....Where did the 10/15% come from?
The recognised percentage of homosexuals in the population is 2/3% (CDC...HPA)

The hypothesis that Physical Education stops people becoming homosexual is obviously nonesense.
People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological, a genetic link has not been found.
The genetic make up of homosexuals and heterosexuals is identical.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Allan Conn
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM

"Some 10-15% of the population is gay or hs some tendencies towards it."

Of course the UKIP guy is a disgrace but I was just wondering where this 15% figure comes from. For instance the household survey from several years ago came up with only about 1.5% the population who classed themselves as being either homosexual or bisexual. 95% of people described themselves as heterosexuals. 3% either said 'don't know' or refused to answer and 0.5% chose other.

How many of the population are gay of course is neither here nor there the important thing is that they treated the same as everyone else. It is just that you see stats banded about!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/official-statistics-reveal-uk-gay

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:54 PM

"RC and fundamentalist schools of course would call it a sin."

I doubt that. I attended a Catholic church for many years, and homosexuality was mentioned once. The education guy said from the pulpit that being a homosexual was okay. There was no reaction that I ever noticed. People just accepted it.

As for exercise, I'll have to ask my lesbian friend who bikes to work and runs in races how she feels about it.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, well when I was in high school, a lot of kids really hated Physical Education (gym class), and it DID tend to make them a bit surly. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:38 PM

I guess he must have skipped P.E.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:11 PM

In a world where all the knowledge we have is free, how in the hell does such utter horse shit exist?

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:06 PM

The only thing that stops me from bein' gay is complete lack of interest.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:02 PM

Ludicrous!

Also, I see that GooFuS is still in denial.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 02:40 PM

At first you just laugh, but on reflection this is actually very evil and nasty. Even if it were true (as if!), why would anyone wish to 'stop' being gay, or prevent it? What is wrong with being gay anyway? It isn't a disease, it's a prefectly acceptable human trait. Imagine if one substituted 'black-skinned' for gay, eg 'One could avoid all the horrors of being black by exercising regularly.' Terrible prejudice. The frightening thing is a lot of normally fairly sane and balanced folk quite like the idea of UKIP. God help us all!

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 12:53 PM

P.E. didn't affect my sexuality. It did contribute to my changing to a parochial school, where they didn't bother with p.e.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 12:21 PM

Unfortunately, few schools at junior/senior high school level teach anything about human genetics, and if they do, the tendency toward gay is not discussed.

RC and fundamentalist schools of course would call it a sin.

Some 10-15% of the population is gay or hs some tendencies towards it.

I don't know how the subject is covered in UK schools.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 11:23 AM

I guess they'll keep looking for ANYTHING that 'makes' people become homosexuals.....the genetic bullshit just didn't pan out!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: John P
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 10:09 AM

I sell harps for a living. I once had a woman ask me in all seriousness if her son's interest in playing the Celtic harp meant he was gay. Fortunately, there was a CD at hand by a male Celtic harpist who has five children, some of whom played on the CD.

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:26 AM

Ah yes. The UKIP candidates. ..

They would be worth laughing at but with serious candidates from traditional parties getting the blame for everything, fringe loonies such as UKIP and their cousins BNP are in danger of getting votes. Sad bad times I'm afraid.

For USA catters, I would describe them as the tea party effect. The conservative party are going round in circles to see what the attraction is and copy it. The buggers therefore win even by losing.

If you think their position on being gay is absurd, you should listen to what they have to say about immigration and restoring the British Empire.   You may regret The Boston Tea Party after all because they seem to wish to invoice for the lost duty. ....

Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 AM

Well touching my toes was a regular instruction when I did gymn at school. I don't know about gay, but it certainly didn't make me very happy!

Subject: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 07:42 AM

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/physical-excercise-prevents-you-becoming-gay-claims-uk-councillor-candidate270413


In the words of Victor Meldrew 'I don't believe it!1'