BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 09:22 AM

Dorothy Parshall: The purpose of this message...Is to introduce you to a great role model.

Nice! He reminds me a bit of my friend Graham, who climbed the Matterhorn, unguided and via one of the "technical" routes, when he was 74. He gave up running ultra-marathons at about 77 years old and still runs 4-5 marathons a year at 81, plus at least a dozen half marathons. He did the Camino de Santiago de Compostela Pilgrimage last year...a 500 mile walk solo and carrying his own kit, which he completed in 21 days.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 09:42 AM

I echo the other, Dorothy!

BTW, 340g of hot dogs = approx. 270g of weight gain but it was fun and I'll easily shed that today. All these healthy choices seem just fine but I'll stick to cereal, ice cream and haddock today.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 01:07 PM

Hey, gnu, for your cabbage day, try this:

CABBAGE AND RICE

One mid-size cabbage
One onion, pref. red
Four cloves of garlic (or 2 tsp. the stuff in a jar)
Five tablespoons brown rice
One tablespoon chili sauce (tomato paste for wimps)
One green chili pepper (take out seeds)
Salt, pepper, teaspoon of thyme
Olive oil
Two quarts of water

Chop cabbage, discard outer leaves.
Saute onion, chili pepper and garlic in a large saucepan with a little olive oil.
Add cabbage and sauté for 5 minutes more
Add chili sauce, thyme, brown rice, salt, pepper and mix
Add water
Boil, then cover and simmer until rice is done (about ten minutes)

A nice tasty cabbage in a good soup!




My version 7 underlined sauté in red (it appeared without accent) and the second time printed it with the accent. No consistency!

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 05:16 PM

I forgot to mention that I use venison sausage to season my chili when I make it. Nothing wrong with beef - like someone pointed out - you're not eating the whole batch in one sitting. This is one of the better ways to eat meat - as a small part to impart flavor, versus eating the whole steak or the large grilled hamburger patty, etc.

And that said, I'll point out that if you buy meat that someone else ground, whether it is beef or turkey or anything else - there is a greater possibility of getting bacteria mixed into it. After I read this article I stopped buying any ground meat and I only grind meat myself. I buy roasts on sale, cut them into 1-pound pieces and freeze them. When I need ground beef I let it thaw to the point where the knife goes through it easily and I run it through the grinder attachment on my Kitchenaid stand mixer. The one exception is the venison mentioned above, that my next door neighbor gets from her son - he hunts and has the meat processed and the butcher makes his sausage.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 07:13 PM

Thanks, Q. I am gonna try that one.

SRS... I am gonna think about that... sounds like a heck of a good idea ta me. And, I recently ahhh, well, hmmm... releived me mum of her hand cranked ginder.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 07:53 PM

The "chili" we make is based on the bean (pinto or tepary) with addition of onion, pure New Mexico chili powder, oregano, cumin and spices and usually cured ham. The meat is secondary; SRS' suggestion of venison sausage sounds good.

For stews, we buy roasts and cut them into small pieces; we prefer that to ground meat.

For burgers, we get lean ground that is ground fresh in the market where we shop for meats. We don't trust packaged stuff either. Low fat content means we have to add chopped onion to the patty; we also add *Hys Seasoning and oregano, white pepper.
*Local? Mix your own with pure chili powder, a little salt and spices to your taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 08:15 PM

That article I linked to makes the point that if your meat isn't ground locally, it might be a bad idea. I got tired to trying to find someone from the meat department in my grocery store to answer the question about the meat pedigree, so I took over meat grinding myself. Gnu, we used to have a hand grinder when I was a kid. Ran lots of kinds of food through it.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: KT
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 08:59 PM

The link to "Forks Over Knives" is no longer operating - taken down for copyright issues, but the film can be seen
here.   I agree with kat - this is well worth the watch!

Also, Forks Over Knives has its own website here. Lots of good info there, including some great healthy recipes. Have a look, Joe. Just jump in and tell yourself you're only going to cook really healthy food from now on. For every unhealthy recipe we really enjoy, there are lots of other really healthy recipes that we can enjoy just as well! It's just a matter of discovering them. Before long, it'll be those that you're craving!

Glad to know it wasn't a stroke, Joe, but do take good care. We want you around here for a long time!
KT

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 09:29 PM

I might be repeating myself but what KT said brought it back... set yourself a weight loss goal and say, "When I get to XXX#, I am gonna eat as much coconut cream pie from Nana's Bakery as I want for one day." That's what I did over two years ago.. four times and never had any of her pie. Ya just feel too good ta be arsed with it. I know that sounds strange but it's true.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 04:21 PM

My main stumbling block is nuts- especially those little sickles of fat, cashews.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 04:44 PM

This chili is so good my meat eating partner did not believe it had no meat in it. Easy too. Although I usually cook the beans from dry. One could also use fresh tomatoes and corn.


Vegetarian Chili
Ingredients
                1 tablespoon vegetable oil
                3 cloves garlic, minced
                1 cup chopped onion
                1 cup chopped carrots
                1 cup chopped green bell pepper
                1 cup chopped red bell pepper
                2 tablespoons chili powder
                1 1/2 cups chopped fresh mushrooms
                1 (28 ounce) can whole peeled tomatoes with liquid, chopped
                1 (15 ounce) can black beans, undrained
                1 (15 ounce) can kidney beans, undrained
                1 (15 ounce) can pinto beans, undrained
                1 (15 ounce) can whole kernel corn, drained
                1 tablespoon cumin
                1 1/2 tablespoons dried oregano
                1 1/2 tablespoons dried basil
. 1/2 tablespoon garlic powder

Directions
. Heat the oil in a large pot over medium heat. Cook and stir the garlic, onion, and carrots in the pot until tender. Mix in the green bell pepper and red bell pepper. Season with chili powder. Continue cooking 5 minutes, or until peppers are tender.
. Mix the mushrooms into the pot. Stir in the tomatoes with liquid, black beans with liquid, kidney beans with liquid, pinto beans with liquid, and corn. Season with cumin, oregano, basil, and garlic powder. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat to medium, cover, and cook 20 minutes, stirring occasionally.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 05:05 PM

"here in the UK we can get very low fat "minced beef" ("ground beef" to you I guess). Under 5% fat is common."

In the US nearly everything you can buy in a grocery store (except fresh fruit and vegetables) is required to have a nutritional label on it. So, ground meat of any kind usually has a big label on it indicating the fat content by percent like "20% fat" or even "5% fat". This is the fat content by weight. On the back of the package, in a smaller font, the nutritional facts are given including the number of calories per serving (together with the definition of a serving) and the number of calories per serving from fat. This is a totally different number. Typically, a package of ground meat labeled 5% fat on the front has 30% or more of its calories from fat. That's why we were careful to say, " ...it should have less than 10% of the calories from fat."

Also, last year we were in Israel and there there is no ground meat in the grocery store or in any of the open air markets. Shoppers select the meat they want and the butcher then grinds it up in front of them. That way they know exactly what they are getting.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 03:50 AM

JOE!?!?!?!

Basically what Sinsull said but without the expletives. I don't know you well enough to swear at you.

Please be more sensible in future and get yourself medical attention immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 07:25 AM

Bev and Jerry: This is a totally different number. Typically, a package of ground meat labeled 5% fat on the front has 30% or more of its calories from fat. That's why we were careful to say, " ...it should have less than 10% of the calories from fat."

We have similar labelling in the UK, and I understand the difference between fat by weight and percentage of calories from fat. Sorry if I misread your original post.

I can understand reducing fat content to a reasonable value, where possible, but to me, unless someone *really* has a medical problem with fat intake, lowering fat content to a point where food is tasteless is unnecessary. For turkey (or any meat)to give less than 10% of its calories from fat it would need to have a fat content by weight of under 1g per 100g of meat which IMO is too low to have any flavour at all. It's worth noting that broccoli (calabrese) has 30% of its calories (as opposed to weight) from fat. Would anyone describe broccoli as an "unhealthy" food?

Moderation again! I meet many people trying to lose weight by eating tasteless food or nasty gloop or tiny quantities such that they can take very little pleasure in eating ...they obsess about fat or carbs or both to a level that's pretty pointless. I managed to lose my 45 lb in 6 months without giving up butter, beer, cakes or chocolate. I'm losing again now, but last night I had a lamb (fairly fatty meat) curry for my main meal, and a beer with it. OK, I'm having a light soup and fruit for lunch and will have grilled fish and veg tonight, but I'll have another beer at the pub after dinner (just one), as it's Open Mic night tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 03:03 PM

Fruit and fresh vegetables for lunch, with a glass of 2% or pure juice, helps me. Then, like Rob Naylor, I can eat a "decent" meal in the evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 04:11 AM

The alarm clock, however, rang Monday. I've been kinda numb on the left side of my body all week, with occasional slurred speech and a numb circle around my mouth that feels like I just got out of the dentist's chair. And I went to the doctor today (Thursday), and he says I should have been there Monday.
Leaflets in every UK pharmacy tell you to call an ambulance at once if that happens.

If I was religious I would thang God for Nye Bevan every day since my bypass.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 09:14 AM

Joe,
You said this is a treat...you don't eat it all in one sitting, do you? With a beer with each bowl?
heh heh

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 01:13 PM

"Light" beer, we presume.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 02:48 PM

"Light beer" is as pointless a product as "lowfat sour cream." If you're not going to have the real thing, don't torture yourself with the diluted substitute.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 07 Jun 13 - 09:29 AM

Q, nuts like cashews are high in omega-3 oils -- the REALLY good kind. So many benefits...so don't give up your cashews, walnuts, almonds, etc.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jun 13 - 11:12 AM

" "Light" beer, we presume. " I would rather be fat than sober. Thursday, 7AM (two weeks)... 7.5 pounds. Tomorrow's forecast is 10C, heavy rain with WIND so it's the perfect day for my treat. TOO much boneless blade roast beef and a LOT of veggies but no spuds for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 01:29 AM

Q, it should be mixed nuts to get the range of benefits. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 06:40 AM

Hard nuts are hard on the guts. Soft nuts are good for you unless you are on a diet. I simply do not eat them when I am on a diet as I have the same weakness as Q. Having said that, I lose weight "better" when I include two slices of cracked wheat toast with peanut butter at 10PM. Breakfast was delicious; 3 tbsps of Activa strawberry yoghurt at 7AM. I am gonna pig out at 9AM with a whole hard boiled Omega 3 egg (chicken egg, large) and a cup of tea with skim milk.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 12:32 PM

Point of information:    which nuts are hard and which are soft?

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 03:57 PM

Nuts like cashews may have omegas, gammas and deltas, but 1/4 cup of mixed nuts (40% cashews) provides 45% of daily fat (and 29% of saturates). Cashews are higher in fat that the other nuts in the mixture.

Some recent research is throwing cold water on the omega idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 11:25 PM

Ron... chew a few. You'll figure it out.

Tis a wee past midnight and I think I can actally make ot to bed without crawling. What a SCOFF! I am sure I gained at least a pound. I ended up cooking the blade roast in the oven AND an outside round pot roast with spuds, carrots and turnips in the slow cooker and boiling some of the veggies on the stove with green beans. Urp... gnightgnu...

Oh... yeah... the two slices of cracked wheat toast with a huge bowl of Chapman's butterscotch ripple ice cream was an insult but s deeeelicious one. I shall have a food hangover tomorrow and longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 12:48 PM

I had a slice (or two) of a "Harvest Cake" yesterday. Spicy cake with a thick white frosting. And that was "deeeeelicious."


(Will have to discipline my Windows 7. It underscores gnu-words in red.)

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Monique
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 03:11 PM

Maybe avocados and red wine -not more than two 12.5cl (half cup) glasses per day! And of course olive oil and veggies.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 03:30 PM

"not more than two 12.5cl (half cup) glasses per day!" I prefer to have not a drop. Beer (wel... Bud) takes the weight off me.

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Monique
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 03:38 PM

Well, maybe you must just imagine it's some medicine!

Subject: RE: BS: Living Healthy Without Killing Myself
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 03:53 PM

We all lie to ourselves about weight. Gnu is a notorious prevaricator.