Lyr Req: Love Is a Many Splendored Thing

Subject: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Coralena
Date: 13 May 97 - 08:17 AM

I know this is not a folk song but the tune is stuck in my head. Anyone have the lyrics? Thank you. Know the movie?

Subject: Lyr Add: LOVE IS A MANY SPLENDORED THING
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 13 May 97 - 11:22 AM

Dear Coralena, here goes:

LOVE IS A MANY SPLENDORED THING
(WORDS: Paul Francis Webster; MUSIC: Sammy Fain; in C)

"Love is a many splendored thing;
It's the April rose that only grows in the early spring.
Love is nature's way of giving
a reason to be living,
The golden crown that makes a man a king.
Once on a high and windy hill,
In the morning mist, two lovers kissed and the world stood still;
Then your fingers touched my silent heart, and taught it how to sing,
Yes, true love's a many splendored thing!!"

(and now for the man at table 4, here's "Melancholy Baby".....)

Yours, Peter

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Rodney Rawlings
Date: 14 May 97 - 12:55 PM

Actually, "Melancholy Baby" is quite a beautiful song, and I'm not surprised it gets requested so much that there is an old joke about it.

Two great melodies - but of course not folk songs. I don't mind them being discussed myself; I'm just afraid the administrators are going to rebel!

I think it is the FORMAT of this forum that is so attractive to lovers of all kinds of songs. Why not create a parallel forum, someone, with the identical format. I'd contribute a lot to a like forum on pop and rock!

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Bill D
Date: 14 May 97 - 05:02 PM

Amen, Rodney...I have been biting my tongue a lot when requests like this are posted.But as long as there are 'nice' people like Peter who answer these way-off-the-topic requests, they will keep coming.

I would love to see parallel databases for other music,but I suspect those who might do this are not likely to be looking here. There has been some decline in such requests after the last bout of complaints and arguments.I wish it were possible to put the equivilent of a 'keep off the grass' sign, but I understand that management is loathe to do that. Other than that, though, it will just keep happening to some extent--just like people will keep parking in handicap spaces "just for a minute" because they couldn't find a better parking spot.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Bert Hansell
Date: 14 May 97 - 05:16 PM

Uh - Oh! Rodney you've started me off again.

I have thoroughly enjoyed the recent discussions on - what is folk music- and have changed my views somewhat.

I think now that there are three distinct kinds of folk music (or song)

1. Commercial Folk music: that stuff which exists because people make a profit out of singing it.
It consists of records and CDs, singer/songwriter stuff, and a lot of the sixties revival stuff.

2. Academic Folk Music: stuff which has been collected in the past & stuff which is taught in schools.
A lot of people think that this is TRUE folk music.

3. Folk folk music: stuff which survives without academic or commercial patronage.
this is the songs that people are still singing just because they enjoy them. It includes some Country - Popular - Rock - Music Hall - Chamber Music - Classical- etc..

As for creating a parallel forum - that would mean that I would have to set another bookmark:-)

Bert.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 97 - 05:53 PM

I can hardly call myself a purist. If there's a tradition I come from, it's the "camp song tradition." I'd like this forum to be open to all forms of singable music, a one-stop forum for everything I'm likely to want to sing. For me, "Rise Up Singing" is just about the perfect song book. It doesn't limit itself to folk music - it covers just about anything that's singable. I'd like to see Digital Tradition cover the same area, only with lots more songs.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Elsie
Date: 14 May 97 - 05:53 PM

a portion of Peter Timmerman's post at the end of the 'long thread'

"Why work through programmes, search engines and the rest -- which are incredibly frustrating and time consuming -- when you can ask other people using the Web? No Yahoo/Altavista in the world can beat Dick and Susan and Gene and Bert and Frank and whoever else is DT (or so I have learned). There will never be an IBM "Deep Folk"!!"

When I was in college, there were professors with specialties who could have answered almost ANY question.....but they expected the students to go to the library and do research, too!! They did not have time & energy to answer everything....that's why those books (and the card catalogue) are there. And.......even if Professor 'X' were willing (as 'some' of our resident experts seem to be), the line outside the door would soon become a real problem for others wishing to use the hallway!

The search engines are SUPPOSED to be how you find things that are on the WWW!...Like a 'folk music' database! And if you do not know how, there are libraries, music stores etc. In a few years, I expect that almost ANY reasonably popular song will be online somewhere. In the meantime, lets not demand that anyone with a good FORMAT (as Rodney says) be expected to have everything!

As to an IBM "Deep Folk"...that is what this forum is aiming towards...a very complete list of FOLK songs!There are 6000+ now...a computer could easily handle 72,937 (or whatever)...and know enough to beat Dick & Les & Barry & Gene & Peter etc. combined! And free them to sing and play and listen!And the forum could be about history & and versions and discussions of which songs have qualified to be added because they seem to have become folk! (And, as Dick said in one post, this is HIS to moderate...if you don't like what he puts in, start your own!! There could easily be competing Chess-playing computers, if someone wants to prove they have a better idea on how to beat Gary Kasparov...if YOU want to start a forum/database with YOUR notions of what should be in it, go ahead! Call it "Songs I like". THIS one says DIGITRAD on the front door, and at least Dick has the final say about what gets added to the database. He seems to add mostly folk/trad, so I take that as my guide as to what is appropriate to ask about...I take my opera questions elsewhere.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Les to Elsie and others
Date: 14 May 97 - 06:57 PM

Hey Elsie, what is your opinion of Cecelia Bertoli ?? Seriously, (I couldn't resist it !!), I got here about six months ago at the suggestion of a performer/friend of mine as the result of a conversation concerning a repository of HIS music. I say, honestly, that I have really enjoyed the lyrics, chording and even the attempts at musical notation, though I have not yet been able to use it to any advantage. I am, however, now tiring of the constant tirades and snide remarks and, sorry to say, the well written posts of the other side of the argument. Can we not please get back to what I discovered a while back and forget all the rest? At least, begin a thread titled Complaints or Bitching or something non-musical so that we, who don't care anymore, can ignore and wallow in what DT does so well. I, for one, promise not to ask for, add to or post anything that is not folk music. By the way, what is the definition of folk music once more ??

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From:
Date: 15 May 97 - 11:26 AM

Love is a many-threaded thing. Where is our California parodist when we need her?

I am in two minds about all this. I am the manager of a number of Web sites on other subjects, and I have found that separate discussion forums seem to die. There is something about the mix of a need for information, the expectation that you might get something unexpected, and so on that provokes real discussion. My feeling is that the tradition of sitting around swapping songs and stories and getting somebody mad (but not mad enough to leave the room) is essential to this space. Discussion is sparked by something specific. I admit to wondering if there would be some way to start relabelling a site when its theme migrates way away from the original theme. On the other hand, (against Les) does it really matter if one thread is filled with this sort of thing? Just don't pick up the thread. Especially if it is a Broadway tune.

There has been some discussion among internet aficianados about what is called the "commons problem" -- that is, how do you police access to an open site which has grazers and fly-by- nighters? The general answer seems to be civic manners, reminding people of the rules, sending them on their way with a smile, and so on. My experience with this site is that this is what goes on all the time, extraordinarly graciously. I am only concerned about constant supporters getting fed up with some of this and leaving. I certainly think there should be an uncontroversial pleasant sentence at the top of the threads reminding people to check the database first, put the name of the song in the title (as requested before). This shouldn't have to keep being added.

Finally, I hate to disagree with you Elsie, but I don't believe there can ever be a Deep Folk even for the songs. Part of the humanity of folk, with all its flaws, is the innumerable changes and variations added to and subtracted by fallibility and creativity. think about all the variations of "Fennario" or "The River is Wide" we have already had here. I wonder what would a computer think of the disgusting conversation going on next door in the Woodpecker Song thread! Yours, Peter

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 15 May 97 - 11:27 AM

sorry, last one from me.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Ralph Butts
Date: 15 May 97 - 11:53 AM

Peter......I hope its only the last one on this thread, not the LAST one.

As for the problem in general, I think we are seeing a microcosm of the world here. Instant communication is what's happening, and we've only scratched the surface. I think this is major reason the Soviet Union crumbled, for example.

If we're going to prosper in the interconnected world we have to be prepared to deal with a plethora of inputs, many of which will be unpopular and unwelcome. And, it’s going to get worse. Of course, it's possible to become an electronic hermit, but I don't recommend it. Just ask the buggy whip manufacturers. Make’s me grateful that I went into computers, not some of the other things I had considered.

Eventually, technology improvements will help us to filter those inputs but, for now, it’s up to us. In the meantime, I say live and let live, use the gong freely, and stay away from double-digit threads that are off your chosen topics.

Hang in there, Peter. Illegitimi non carborundum…….Tiger

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 15 May 97 - 12:30 PM

Dear Ralph, No, it was just I forgot to address it!! (I am really slow) But I suddenly realised when I came back that I was being criticized earlier in the thread (I am really slow) for encouraging these sorts of requests by helping. It is probably true. The problem for me is that I know what it is like to be desperate for a song, and why not help? And you learn things -- I was asked the other day for the Beatles' tune "I Will", and someone came up and said did you know about Alison Krauss' unbelievably beautiful version, and I said, who is Alison Krauss? (I am really slow). Boom! Back to Doc Watson and away! Also it is a challenge -- rummaging in piano benches and stuff. I think (in spite of Elsie's remarks about Professor X, that we are not here to learn how to do research. This is not a university of the air -- thank god. Yours, Peter

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 May 97 - 03:02 PM

As long as the song in question is clearly identified in the header, I see no problem with it; folks that aren't interested cn just skip it.

As far as finding its way into the DT, I'll worry about that. My tendencies are, generally to be overly inclusive, rather than overly exclusive. Which means that the DT will likely have songs that SOMEONE won't consider to be folksongs. Hell, there's a ton of them in there that I don't consider worth singing, and more that I probably will never think of as folksongs.

So what?

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From:
Date: 15 May 97 - 03:06 PM

"Hey Elsie, what is your opinion of Cecelia Bertoli"...never heard of her, (as you might guess!)

"By the way, what is the definition of folk music once more ??" here-at this site, it is whatever Dick decides to add to the database....and other stuff which is similar My personal opinion is even narrower, but I can live with the general run of what is in the database. Much if what is being requested is outside that realm, therefore I object...what else cam I say?

" how do you police access to an open site which has grazers and fly-by- nighters? The general answer seems to be civic manners, reminding people of the rules, sending them on their way with a smile, and so on"....exactly!!

"I hate to disagree with you Elsie, but I don't believe there can ever be a Deep Folk even for the songs" sure there can...nothing is ever 'complete', but the more that is in a data base, the less we will have to look elsewhere! Songs will still be folk-processed, and there is always another variation out there, but the basic idea is to gather a lot of stuff into one place, so we can refresh our memories easier, or add something new easier, or make research easier.

" wonder what would a computer think of the disgusting conversation going on next door in the Woodpecker Song thread!" The computer would not care...and if we are smart, we would not add most of that to it's database!

"

I can hardly call myself a purist. If there's a tradition I come from, it's the "camp song tradition." I'd like this forum to be open to all forms of singable music, a one-stop forum for everything I'm likely to want to sing. For me, "Rise Up Singing" is just about the perfect song book. It doesn't limit itself to folk music - it covers just about anything that's singable. I'd like to see Digital Tradition cover the same area, only with lots more songs. "....aaaarrrgggghhhh!! I should have known!!! NO!NO!NO!NO!NO! That is the ultimate form of dilution!! It's like saying, throw away all of those narrow recipe books and whenever you want soup, just dump the contents of your fridge in a pot!!If YOU want to cook (or sing!) that way...fine...but allow those who WANT to to have their books of traditional recipes (and songs).You don't go into a Mexican restaurant and expect them to cook you Ravoli with mustard and goat cheese! If you FIND a restaurant that serves that, feel free to eat there! Start one, if you like....but this place needs a polite sign on the door that says 'we serve only traditional folk-soup here'.The kitchen does not have room in the pantry for "Mamas & Papas" & "Love is a Many Splendored Thing".....Please, Joe Offer, understand...I am NOT criticizing your taste and choices...only your notion that THIS restaurant ought to serve you any meal you want! As for "Rise Up Singing"...it is a nice book, but it is NOT a modern equivilent of the Dead Sea Scrolls(although it is being treated like that by some)

"If we're going to prosper in the interconnected world we have to be prepared to deal with a plethora of inputs, many of which will be unpopular and unwelcome." And these little discussions are one way to do that.....

" I think (in spite of Elsie's remarks about Professor X, that we are not here to learn how to do research. This is not a university of the air -- thank god." And some do get through school doing very little research! ONE MORE TIME.....No one can, or will, stop you from making requests outside the stated topic of this forum....and you may even get someone to take pity on you and 'find' it for you! In doing so, however, you are contributing to a watering down of the basic purpose(go on, call it 'expanding'..it still muddies the waters)

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Bert Hansell
Date: 15 May 97 - 03:32 PM

Before I start I need to clear up one little point.
A message above seemed to suggest that I was one of the DT guys
Unfortunately I'm not. I'm just a user like you who thinks that they are doing a wonderful job.

Is "Love is a many splendored thing" a folk song?
I will agree that most people would think it is not.
However, it does fit in my classification number 3 above.
Also, about a month ago, a friend came to our house and asked about that very song. We'll I, remembering if from the fifties (or thereabouts), stood there in the kitchen and sang it to him. So I for one am going to claim that as oral tradition.

So if it's not a folk song yet, I think it's only a matter of time.

I love all this discussion, it helps us get to know one another on a more personal level.

Bert.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 15 May 97 - 04:42 PM

Speaking of Muddy Waters....

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Elsie
Date: 15 May 97 - 07:06 PM

"So I for one am going to claim that as oral tradition."..................and so it is, Bert...but it needs a lot more than being sung to a friend to qualify as 'traditional'! AS to whether it will someday qualify....I'd bet 'no'-the topic and 'style' just don't work...but if it happens, so be it! Ask me in another 40 or 50 years.

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From:
Date: 15 May 97 - 09:03 PM

I'm sticking to my original assertion that the Web is the real "MUSIC DATABASE" and that Elsie is right to be exclusive. Case in point just yesterday. A year ago I heard the "Queensland Version" of Waltzing Matilda on Vicky Gabareau's show from CBC Vancouver. Something jogged the old carbon based memory banks and I decided to look for it. I could have posted a request in this forum but I decided to try a search. Waltzing Matilda input to Excite uncovered a gold mine. Not only do I have buckets of information regarding Aussie folk singers I never heard of but on going to Roger Clarke's page I hit the jackpot. Imagine my excitement on seeing this:

--------------------------------------------------- The original score. This is referred to as 'the Queensland version'. The tune most commonly sung these days is quite different, and is referred to as 'the Victorian version'. -----------------------------------------------------

Clicking on the original score brought up a page with a pictorial copy of the actual original score. It's in E flat but I can always transpose eh!

Now instead of bothering DT participants to do research for me, I got my results in 10 minutes. Even better, I can contribute to the DT forum and make only really esoteric requests.

By the way Cecilia Bartoli has even made a live performance out here in the wild frozen west of Canada. A lot of people whom I thought were tie-died folkies went to hear her.

Maybe, like me, they believe that really good singing can sometimes transcend the genre of the song but that discussion is a whole nuther thread.

Frank Phillips

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: Elsie..
Date: 16 May 97 - 12:19 AM

*gulp* ...wow...I'm impressed....(and maybe I'll go find out who Cecelia Bartoli is)

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From:
Date: 16 May 97 - 10:21 AM

Elsie

If you don't DO opera you might not want to know about Cecilia Bartoli... I am not sure how eclectic my friends musical tastes were but an Italian soprano (?) seemed out of character for them.

Frank Phillips

Subject: RE: Love is a many splendored thing....
From: toadfrog
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 10:01 PM

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