BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 08:55 PM

Equality is aspirational. A bit like intelligence and empathy are for semi evolved morons.

pete. I can't express my disdain on an intellectual level for creationism any better than the pointing and laughing phrase.   In short, it fails at every level. But and this is a big but. Many of our sanctimonious fashion Christians who feel embarrassed by the metaphysical aspects of the Bible still have no issue whatsoever using the content as a tool to sneer at others.

That galls me. Either the established church leaders sit with the armchair Christians and talk of stories to aid moral compass or they state, as they do, that their members are believers.

The word believer isn't, to my knowledge, a word in the Lewis Carroll sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 02:52 AM

Christians do not sneer.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: TheSnail
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 05:30 AM

Nice to see some proper discussion of wht science is and how it works.

For instance -

Stu
what is important is understanding what science is and how it works, and you don't need to be a scientist to know that. You do have to get off your arse do some work though to familiarise yourself with the philosophies and methodologies that make 'science' what it is, and explains how it's come to be practiced as it is and how it changes with time.

Shimrod
evolutionary scientists, like all true scientists, assign probabilities to their conclusions - and rarely, if ever, do they assign a probability of 100%.

Could someone explain this to Steve "Evolution is true! Evolution is true! Evolution is true!" Shaw?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 05:40 AM

Sorry, GUEST Date: 09 Oct 13 - 09:24 AM was me, looks like my cookie had done one for some reason.

"the stock answer that more study and hard work will resolve this sounds like an admission that it cannot be demonstrated to be established fact. I have before quoted evolutionists admitting as much."

OH. MY. GIDDY. AUNT.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 06:04 AM

""OH. MY. GIDDY. AUNT.""

It's not your aunt Stu!

She would have more sense.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 09:57 AM

Musket evolving slowly - PM
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 08:55 PM

Equality is aspirational. A bit like intelligence and empathy are for semi evolved morons.


Very slowly indeed Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 02:47 PM

It is interesting how many of these discussions come down to three self-appointed spokesmen for science being such miserably poor representatives of scientific thought.

Its like they are secretly acting for the Creationists.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 03:20 PM

methinks shimrod, that you are downplaying the comments of evolutionists that own up to the BIG holes in the theory.
of course creationists can,t insert their explanation, but its ok to talk about evolutionary unobservable ideas like multiverse etc!
good for the goose........

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,The artist formally known as concerened
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 03:24 PM

Tee! hee ! you bunch of self rightouse prigs..you are so full of yourselves you dont get how absurd you all sound..keep it up phonies....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 03:58 PM

I am gutted that you are in the slightest way implying that I amy be a phoney.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 04:20 PM

Not your usual sparkling riposte, Conc, my old chum. Loosing momentum? Running out of stupid insults? Well, just spend a day or two in that nice padded room and I'm sure you will feel much better.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 04:36 PM

Gosh, Conc, now that you say it, I plainly see what fools we are. Thanks for informing us.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 05:10 PM

pete, I'm not too sure where the "multiverse" comes into this(?) But you did link it to the word "idea" - so it does not represent absolute truth, does it? It's an IDEA - which, I believe, may have some explanatory power. Oh! But I forgot! We can't advance such an idea because it's not in the Bible, is it? Silly old atheist me!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 11:46 PM

Christians don't sneer. Thanks for that Keith. I wish I had courage of my conviction enough to make such huge statements knowing them to be utter bollocks.

Obviously most people aren't Christians then and wear it as a fashion statement. I always suspected as much.

Anyway, talking of sneering Christians. Hi Jerk! Who are three talking on behalf of science? Not sure the Church of science sent a representative.

Actually, Keith can say that Christians do this and don't do that because he sees Christianity as being whatever you want it to be. The embarrassing bits of the Bible to be ignored and the rest to twist to a more secular agenda. Welcome to The Church of England! How's the women Bishops idea getting on? Any news on the interpretation of gay versus practicing gay yet?

I'll take a photo of the old biddies putting the flowers out on a Sunday morning when I get back to Blighty. Like chimney sweeps and rickets, some traditions are withering on the vine of relevance. Can't even bugger a choirboy these days without the village Bobby getting arsey about it. Tutch..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 03:27 AM

"Tee! hee ! you bunch of self rightouse prigs..you are so full of yourselves you dont get how absurd you all sound..keep it up phonies.... "

Surely, "concerened", a truly "self rightouse prig" (I'll assume that means what I think it means) sits loftily on the sidelines hurling (poorly spelled) insults and put-downs without ever contributing any meaningful content?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 06:52 AM

Ahhhh - probably Shimrod. I took 'right ouse' to be the Yorkshire version of 'Rive Gauche' :-)

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 07:02 AM


Christians don't sneer. Thanks for that Keith. I wish I had courage of my conviction enough to make such huge statements knowing them to be utter bollocks.

That is my experience of Christians Musket, but perhaps I should have just said "It is unchristian to sneer."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 10:20 AM

What Jesus said.
" but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Or in the translation in Holman Christian Standard Bible
"But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Fool!' will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, You moron!' will be subject to hellfire."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 11:26 AM

One to watch out for?

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 02:09 PM

Bugger hell fire. Sweltering heat already where I am. Mind you, Saturday teatime I shall be landing in Blighty and the temperature seems nice and cool.

Anyway. Where does it say anywhere that Christians don't sneer? What makes a Christian? You claim you are. pete claims he is. Yet you fundamentally disagree on what Christians are supposed to represent or indeed believe in?

What good is a religion that accepts money from people who believe what the Bible says but accepts membership from people who reckon they are too clever? Christians shit on the bog as often as I do.   "Christians do this, Christians don't do that. Churches follow the advice for consumers as per their website. "

Do Christians send money to African thugs to get them elected on capital punishment for gays tickets? Christians do that. Do Christians murder doctors and nurses working in abortion clinics? Christians do that. Do Christians organise book burnings of the Q'ran? Christians do that just to get a reaction.

So. .. is it a broad church or is there a book of Keith they have to agree to before they fit your description?

And what about the good bits? The chaplains I support in my work. The selfless peoplewho use the opportunities their church offers to help others. If they think God created the world in 7 days, aren't they Christians then?

We are getting to the bottom of this now. Your arrogance is breathtaking. All the worse for trying and failing to come over as reasonable.

Oy! Co Messiah and associated gnome! I reckon we have found our ideal ambassador to God bothering movements. He moves in mysterious ways and doesn't recognise religion. I suggest we offer him a decent bung? How much is there in the bingo slush fund?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 04:24 AM

"All the worse for trying and failing to come over as reasonable. "

Now where have I heard that line before?
"Ake....(pissing himself laughing)


On reflection isn't it a bit "chilling"?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 07:25 AM

Well Gnomet.. it was a little short I know ..but I was rushing of to catch me flight to Dubai A big meeting with some of the world leaders on how we can feed the world without imposing to much tax on the rich..

A little more important wouldn't you say than you lot pricking about with your smug, self righteous, ginger pussy inane comments on here.

Jack, I did have hope for you and really did not wanna burst you little self deluded bubble, BUT, you are, always have been and always will be a grade A phoney..a little better than wizzjet and the rest...but your nautical pretensions alone gets you into the the thumb up bum, crayon wedging brigade.

Shinrod..if you read me posts properly you will see there is nothing of the sitting loftily on the sidelines about me. All the crap you and the other rank outsiders and cads spout I have heard, read, absorbed and discarded for the self deluded pseudo intellectual psychobabble and claptrap it is.

The mistake you, seaman styanes, stringplaiter, wizjeter make is looking on my valid comments as insults. Far from it, it is my honest comment on how I perceive you all...lighten up a little you balloons.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 08:08 AM

Could someone explain this to Steve "Evolution is true! Evolution is true! Evolution is true!" Shaw?

Don't think I've ever said that three times in a row or included an exclamation mark (scientific observation must be accurately recorded in order for it to be useful). I guess you just have a bee in your bonnet. You're either prattling away at me or prattling away about you flavour-of-the-month philosopher, you sad thing you. For the record, evolution as a phenomenon that occurs is irrefutable. It's true. The theory of evolution by natural selection is a fantastic explanation of the phenomenon of evolution, though there are still gaps and arguments to be had and probably always will be. To declare that a phenomenon exists is not the science. The science comes in the explanation. You do seem to have difficulty with this and I am trying to be nice to you here. Have you a bike you can go and ride?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 08:59 AM

http://www.covertmessiah.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 09:53 AM

So, "concerened", still nothing meaningful to add then? How can I, and others, judge your lofty claims to superiority when you have added nothing of substance to the conversation? And why, if you're so elevated in intellectual and moral stature, are you still bothering with this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 10:24 AM

"but its ok to talk about evolutionary unobservable ideas like multiverse etc"

Multiverse theory is part of cosmology or physics, and is not something scientists studying evolution or past life are involved in researching. A quick google shows the ever-imaginative creationists have linked the two for some reason.

Pete never produces anything to back up his arguments, which are the usual regurgitated creationist pap.

At least science is a broad church, and there are many people of faith (such as Mary Schweitzer) who are committed believers. A conversation with them would be most interesting I'm sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 10:34 AM

Bloody hell!

If this semi literate twerp with the puerile line in immature insult has done one tenth of what it claims, it must have succeeded in inventing the 48 hour day, and it would still need to be two hundred years old.

My guess is a Walter Mitty teenager with delusions of intelligence.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 11:09 AM

Well shitrod..if you want the answer you obliviously didn't understand the question..back in a while playmates with a more comprehensive report..Flying out to chair a very important meeting in Brussels on food sustainability.


You are close wizzjet on my workload; 18 hours a day is a short shift for me, travel I do not count as I eat and sleep in them times. I do find taking the example of that great states person Mrs Thatcher both sustains me and inspires me..you should try it some time wizzjet.

In my not so humble opinion the amount of time you spend on here with your inane crap MUST be done in works time,, and you know that is the same as stealing of your employer.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 12:12 PM

the amount of time you spend on here with your inane crap MUST be done in works time

Tsk, tsk conc me dear. What makes you think that we actually need to work? I do believe that most of us on here are beyond such menial tasks. Whether you work 18 hours a day saving the world, ferrying tea to China, cooking up curry for the Tanzanian navy or are simply a deluded nincompoop, I genuinely feel sorry for you. Well, for a few minutes anyway, until the laughter sets in again.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 12:36 PM

Hi DtG,

I thought I'd have a go at being a super-being, like "concerened".

Screws up face in concentration:

"Concerened"! You're a silly twat who can't spell!

Phew! That tooks some effort! It's not easy being a super-being!

I think I'll have to go and lie down now.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 03:03 PM

well I, in my admitted relative ignorance, thought all this stuff was interconnected. it seems to be when evolutionists want to assert that all branches of science attest to their belief!.
I think it goes like this. as darwinists know the laws of probability weigh heavily against them, a conjecture that their might be multiple universes, supposedly give the impossible more chance of happening - or is it more complicated than that?.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 03:57 PM

well I, in my admitted relative ignorance...

There is nothing relative about your ignorance. You are the most absolute closed-minded and pig-ignorant person I've come across on this board, and, considering concerened is here, that's saying something. At least he's faintly amusing, unlike you. You insult us by thinking we'll forget that you've posted your ignorant shit many times before and that we won't notice when you recycle it ad nauseam. Nasty little man.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: TheSnail
Date: 12 Oct 13 - 08:43 PM

Sorry, missed the capital letters.
thread.cfm?threadid=151677#3549746

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 01:13 AM

Mr Shaw. You really must be working for the creationists.

You said this.

"The theory of evolution by natural selection is a fantastic explanation of the phenomenon of evolution,"

The dictionary definition of "fantastic."

fan·tas·tic
fanˈtastik/
adjective
adjective: fantastic

    1.
    imaginative or fanciful; remote from reality.
    "novels are capable of mixing fantastic and realistic elements"
    synonyms:        fanciful, extravagant, extraordinary, irrational, wild, absurd, far-fetched, nonsensical, incredible, unbelievable, unthinkable, implausible, improbable, unlikely, doubtful, dubious;

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket impersonating Dr Johnson
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 04:04 AM

Dredging the barrel a bit aren't we Jerk?

Co Messiah Steve can speak for himself but I didn't read his use of the word fantastic in that sense.

Dictionaries by definition are behind the times as they seek to map out the evolution of language.

But trying to explain evolution in any sense to anyone who factors metaphysical into their take on life ain't going to get us anywhere. So instead, I'll work on the basis you were taking the piss.

Welcome to the club brother!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 08:33 AM

Well thank'ee shaw.. I told you I was GREAT!!!!!!!!

I should be a tad upset with shitrod for his inappropriate remarks.. but I have recently been ordained so an I can now say; "to err is human to forgive divine".

Is it just me or are cracks beginning to show in your little smug club?

The old arch phony seaman staynes and pete from seven starts lenk under attack from some of the more self righteous brethren.

Not very christian is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 08:49 AM

pete is not under attack. 'Tis he who assaults all reason at every turn. He and his sorry ilk are the attackers. His adversaries here are merely the defenders of common sense and reason. I have my own way of putting up that defence, which includes not putting up gladly with fools like him.   

As for you, Wacko, "the dictionary", huh? And which dictionary would that be? The Oxford Concise also gives "extraordinarily good or attractive", the meaning clearly intended in my post. Perhaps you stopped reading the entry before you got to that bit. Or did you just choose not to include such inconveniences in your response? Or maybe you've just got a shite dictionary. I try to write plain, clear English and I don't take take kindly to my use of it being questioned by semi-literates such as your good self. Do have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 11:40 AM

"I think it goes like this. as darwinists know the laws of probability weigh heavily against them"

You can't invoke "the laws of probability", which have been discovered by one branch of science, whilst discrediting an other branch; you're either for science or against it, you can't pick and choose to suit your argument. Your argument consists of 'those nasty Darwinists will say anything to defend their position', whilst back in the real world people have been addressing Darwin's theory since it was published; lots of detail to go into there.

If you're arguing is God (or whatever deity or being you believe in) could exist then that's one thing, if you are arguing if she made the earth in six days 4000 years ago then you need evidence, not just the say so from one source.

Palaeontologists are very well versed with probability and other statistical methodologies, so no issues there (I am yet to get seriously stuck into stats, but it will happen over next few years), but your invocation of multiverses doesn't have any relevance to the argument over evolutionary theory, as even if there are multiple universes all palaeontologists and other earth scientists are only studying the one we can see, which is this one.

Look pete, YOU can settle this and you do not need to be an expert or need to travel to far away places (lots of good fossil-bearing rocks right here in the UK). Find a non-derived fossil where modern palaeontological theory says it shouldn't be. Test the science and prove it wrong. Find a horse in Triassic strata, a salamander in the Edicarian or a turtle in the Devonian. Produce one out of sequence fossil, record and note it's location (so it can be confirmed) and you will be the most famous person in history, you would probably win a nobel prize: the man who re-wrote the textbooks, who proved creationism might be correct.

Go on.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket doing Dr Johnson again
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 12:34 PM

Co Messiah Steve. Of course he has a crap dictionary. Webster was a lazy fraud according to Bill Bryson. But notwithstanding that, our nautical friend is a Christian and judging by other idiots on recent threads, selective posting to make rational people look fools is part of the deal.

But they don't sneer. Clapton forbid that you accuse anyone who sneers purely on the basis they are sneering. After all, they may be christians and according to Keith, Christians don't sneer, therefore we must be mistaken.

I reckon I'm going to become a boutique Christian. You don't have to believe in all that seven day stuff, or whales that eat men, or rain of the type usually found in Bury, or bringing a bloke back from the dead, or keeping slaves, or seeing women as chattel, or finding a tart rather than having a wank, or divine intervention. In fact, all you have to do is say you believe and then you can command respect! It doesn't matter what you believe. The embarrassing parts of the bible are fodder for the petes of this world.

Perhaps all you have to believe in is your own vanity?

Now that IS a thought...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 12:38 PM

"I should be a tad upset with shitrod for his inappropriate remarks.. but I have recently been ordained so an I can now say; "to err is human to forgive divine".

Is it just me or are cracks beginning to show in your little smug club?"

That deranged little outburst points directly to where the cracks lie!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 02:06 PM

Conc, can I ask a question. If you were flying out to Brussels at 12 Oct 13 - 11:09 AM, shortly after getting back from Dubai at 12 Oct 13 - 07:25 AM and then posted back here at 13 Oct 13 - 08:33 AM how on earth did you ever find time to become ordained? And what did you become ordained as? Just wondering.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 04:13 PM

God moves in mysterious ways my gnomish friend, that's how...

I was on the plane following his most of the way. Mine set out from Abu Dhabi, just down the road. I wasn't ordained there though, just sobering up en route from Thailand.

And there Back in Thailand I did something rather religious... I had a Buddhist monk put a wrist band on me and bless me. Still got it on now, although I will have to cut it off before tomorrow. Bare below elbows and all that, and my office is in a hospital.

Religion versus your average infection control nurse? God isn't even in the same league when it comes to obedience and scaring people into doing as they are told.

Anyway, early night and back to reality in the morning. I bought a three wise Buddhas ornament for my desk. Hear no bollocks, see no bollocks, say no bollocks. Doesn't seem very religious to me? Mind you the price was right, they look cute and when people pop in for a whinge, they may put them off their stride.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 04:35 PM

""I do find taking the example of that great states person Mrs Thatcher both sustains me and inspires me..you should try it some time wizzjet.""

Well sonny, if you took the trouble (or possessed the intelligence) to apprise yourself of the facts concerning (without the supefluous "e") those whom you so despise, you might have known that in addition to having retired from paid employment, I am in fact a Tory who probably knows a great deal more than a jumped up schoolboy about the politics of the 20th century.

I never needed to indulge in self aggrandisement by inventing spurious credentials, and imagined skills, having paid my own way by constant employment, without a gap from 1957 till 2006.

When you grow up, I hope you will have developed a self image which will render this behaviour unnecessary, but I have some doubts about the likelihood.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 04:56 PM

and why can
I not "invoke" the laws of probability , stu.
you are again just asserting that the other disciplines provide strong evidence, and expect me to believe it.
you are also still trying to pass off belief in a creator as anti science , when it is rather a case of competing ideas which interpret the data variously.
the only challenge of any substance that you present regards the positioning of fossils in the geologic column.
whilst acknowledging that there is apparently an order in the fossils , it is not as clearcut as you might like to think, and specimens have been moved in position as new fossil discoveries are unearthed.
I have no doubt that in the event of spectacular discoveries in the fossils coming to light, you will only fall back on your pious pronouncements of science never assuming anything, just as you now do with the dino discoveries.
mind you, you do offer more to chew on than someone else here who only offers insults and flowery assertions!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 05:47 PM

and why can
I not "invoke" the laws of probability , stu.

You can't invoke them because you don't understand them. Simple. Actually, you understand very little about anything that actually matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 06:32 PM

I notice you invoking the name of the Thatcher ... person there "concerened". Presumably you believe that all you need to succeed in life is 'hard work', that "markets should be free" and that if we remove the burdens of regulation from Big Business and the banks and taxation from the already rich then they will get even richer and the wealth will 'trickle down' and enrich us all!! Allelueia!!!

Well if you believe that load of shitey bollocks you're as deluded as pete!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 08:38 PM

I wouldn't worry, Shimrod. He understands nothing. He is, of course, an excellent source of amusement. He's far more fun, for example, than the ignorant pete and the depressingly-dismal Wacko. Thank Clapton for small mercies, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 03:28 AM

Trouble is Steve, these idiots represent a danger to the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 05:43 AM

"and why can I not "invoke" the laws of probability"

Because you're cherrypicking which parts of science to believe according to your belief system. You are starting with a premise and shoehorning certain theories to fit, rather than observing something and working backwards to find out why/how etc and then developing a theory from that. That's fine, but it ain't science.

"whilst acknowledging that there is apparently an order in the fossils , it is not as clearcut as you might like to think, and specimens have been moved in position as new fossil discoveries are unearthed."

Not as clearcut as I like to think? Really? You need to tell me more about this, I'm just about to undertake an extended period of research on dinosaurs and thought I understood how the fossil record was laid down and how palaeontologists and geologists use these fossils in a myriad of ways. Explain this please!

"I have no doubt that in the event of spectacular discoveries in the fossils coming to light, you will only fall back on your pious pronouncements of science never assuming anything, just as you now do with the dino discoveries."

I don't do pious Pete, not my thing. There are infinitely more talented and knowledgeable palaeontologists than I whose opinion me and many others would like to hear, were such a spectacular discovery to occur. Except it won't occur will it? Because if any creationists are out there looking for such fossils they haven't found them, and you're not out there helping. Given all this, how could you even know the science is wrong? You presume to know the mind of God?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 06:35 AM

""when it is rather a case of competing ideas which interpret the data variously.""

You certainly got that right Pete!

two methods of interpreting data!!

The scientist taking the data and questioning whether it is self consistent and logical and seeking peer review for whatever conclusions derive from it, and even when the data proves valid and fits all the criteria of the many disciplines it must satisfy, he does not speak of proof, truth, or completion. He is open to the idea that his conclusions may be superceded as new data emerges.

The Creationist "knows" God did it 6000 years ago in seven days and makes the data fit that preconception by ignoring or suppressing any inconvenient evidence to the contrary.

You deviously skirt round the fact that your claim of scientists drawing conclusions based upon preconceptions falls at the very first hurdle.

Tell me Pete, what preconceptions do you suppose the devout Christian, Charles Darwin, acted upon? THERE WAS NO PRECURSOR, so his conclusions were based purely upon the evidence which he found in his explorations, and being a Christian, he agonised for years before publishing.

How does this fit with your preconceptions of what scientists do, or are?

Don T