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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:04 AM Michael. You excel yourself. I put two other red rags to pedants in that post. Can you spot those too? Lay lady lay Lay across my big wood kennel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Doug Chadwick Date: 14 Dec 13 - 11:38 PM Grammar and syntax and spelling also of course involve facts, but almost always facts irrelevant to a discussion ....... Unless, of course, the misuse of grammar, syntax and spelling leads to ambiguity, in which case the facts may be misinterpreted. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Dec 13 - 08:47 PM Opinions actually are a variety of fact - they are facts about the person holding them, and if they are misstated by another person, or for that matter by the person themselves, it is quite relevant to try to put the record straight. Grammar and syntax and spelling also of course involve facts, but almost always facts irrelevant to a discussion, unless the discussion is actually about grammar and syntax or spelling - and most of the time pretty insignificant facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Ebbie Date: 14 Dec 13 - 08:22 PM Ah, but from which end? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Doug Chadwick Date: 14 Dec 13 - 04:58 PM 'decimate':- one tenth of a friend. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Ebbie Date: 14 Dec 13 - 04:04 PM Having been reared on a farm, the image that comes to my mind when someone speaks of 'laying' is of a farm chicken. However, the word is so commonly misused I think there is little doubt that it will make it into the dictionary as an alternative, rather sooner than later. There are thousands, perhaps, of such distortions that have become correct through such process. Think of 'decimate', for one example. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Dec 13 - 03:34 AM Aaaahhhh! — pedantry! Nonononono - forget I said that!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 14 Dec 13 - 03:16 AM Very true. But bear in mind that opinions are usually supported by the perception of facts. Very few people go out of their way to verify what they consider to be fact. A holder of a doctorate in canine orgasms may consider their thesis to be the fact of the day but tomorrow YouTube May have footage of a Labrador laying back enjoying a cigarette whilst a poodle nips to the bathroom. Or some such bollocks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Lighter Date: 13 Dec 13 - 09:30 PM > "Pedantry" about facts is another thing, because facts matter. That pretty much puts the rest of it into perspective. Except for the growing number of those (some with PhDs) who insist that "fact" and "opinion" are synonymous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Bill D Date: 13 Dec 13 - 09:19 PM Ebbie said: "I know we often say the 'fridge' but do you that it is therefore OK to spell it 'refridgerator'? " MY pedantic peeve is directed at those who abbreviate it 'frig'.... Google tells you that ignorance can be embarrassing as well as blissful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Dec 13 - 08:05 PM Pedantry about grammar and spelling is a bit irrelevant, and tends to trivialize things. "Pedantry" about facts is another thing, because facts matter. And I include getting names right as a fact. For example when people write about Ghandi I tend to point out that the name is Gandhi. Getting it wrong there seems to me a kind of discourtesy, just as it would be to refer to Mandella or Mandala - which I have no doubt is going to happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Dec 13 - 07:31 PM I give it him- terrible, init? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 13 Dec 13 - 05:52 PM I hate to hear "eye-dillic' when it should be 'id-illic'. And as for 'haitch' ...aaaaaaggghhhh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Ebbie Date: 13 Dec 13 - 04:29 PM Kendall, that reminds me of a quote I read in my local paper the other week. I laughed until I couldn't laugh any more. It had to do with a commissioner of something or another who was commenting on a misdemeanor that has largely gone unpunished even though the law is clear on the matter. He said, Well, I just hope they will literally throw the book at him. gigglegigglegigglegiggle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: kendall Date: 13 Dec 13 - 04:20 PM Another abused word; Unique. It can not be qualified. Something is either unique or it is not. No middle ground. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Airymouse Date: 13 Dec 13 - 01:39 PM I sing old-time songs,because I really am an old timer. I am stuck with all sorts of pedantic grammatical baggage. Does anyone believe any of these rules? You can stand in the dock (in court), but you can't stand ON a dock unless it's a dry dock, because a dock is where the water is. Hence "dockside" but not "wharfside." You can't be "more specific", because you can't "more specify" something.It's a false comparative. It's OK to say "the delay, DUE TO the thunderstorm, lasted 3 hours", but "due to" is adjectival, so it's not OK to say "the game was delayed, due to the thunderstorm. (You need "because of".) You TAKE the basket to the picnic and you BRING it back. In mud cat parlance "bring back my bonnie TO me." As an old-timer I also find myself defending constructions to which others object. Anyone object to these: It's a RIGHT pretty day.("Right" means "very", just as in "right reverend Dimesdale.")I sang it WRONG."wrong" means "wrongly" just as in "the divine right of kings to govern wrong". The house needs PAINTED. The infinitive is understood and hence omitted just as in "The dog wants out" or " I now pronounce you man and wife." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Doug Chadwick Date: 13 Dec 13 - 04:24 AM Nobody can 'try and do' If I make an attempt at something which turns out to be successful, I both 'try' and 'do'. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: kendall Date: 12 Dec 13 - 07:58 PM That is not aimed at anyone. It was 2 degrees above zero this morning here. They say it's going to get cold this weekend. May have to button up my vest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: kendall Date: 12 Dec 13 - 07:56 PM A Hawk is an Eagle among Crows. hehehehe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,laptopgnu Date: 12 Dec 13 - 07:03 PM Nah, MGM. My tack is just fine. I'm jus sayin eh? I dunno why pedants not only attempt to edify, which I DO appreciate, but also feel the need of demonstration of their 'superiorty'. Especially when they are, to the actual letter, absolutely incorrect. To wit, on a thread a while back, I offered 'try and do' vs 'try to do'. Nobody can 'try and do'. It's grammatically impossible and no amount of common usage or any other bullshit arguements can convince a sane pedant otherwise. Some pedants who offer such and same say it is okay for them to utter such travesties which assault not only language but also basic logic in defense of only their own self proclaimed superiorty. So, when someone posts 'try and do' instead of 'try to do', I cringe but I don't tell them they are illiterate or illogical. N at dere, buddy? Dat is good enough fer da girls I goes wit. Roight? Eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: MGM·Lion Date: 12 Dec 13 - 05:23 PM Might be time for you to start on a gnu tack, eh, new? ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: gnu Date: 12 Dec 13 - 03:50 PM "refridgerator" Ah... fridge, right? Actually, Ebbie, I am being refriggerated at the moment. Minus WTF? here in both F n C and even K and it's windy ta boot! And it ain't really cold yet. That's come Febuary month. Tank da lard jAYsus fer me inside plumb er I'd aft ta skin a skerwl fer ta make a powch fer me own nuts. Apedants unite! We shall overcome tiranny. Er not. Ooo gives two fucks from Tuesday? BTW, I spelt 'Ooh' wrong just to piss off the pednts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:16 PM ped·ant n."Undue attention" depends on the context. A shop owner must criticize an emplyee who writes "Potatoe's 89cents a pound" for reasons of orthography; a customer had better ponder on the price. Dan Quayle did do some politics, didn't he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: kendall Date: 12 Dec 13 - 12:51 PM forMIDABLE. jewlery |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,olddude Date: 12 Dec 13 - 12:49 PM musket LOL .. brings back my college memories |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Nigel Parsons Date: 12 Dec 13 - 10:16 AM Squirrels protect their nuts by burying them. Why do squirrels swim on their backs? To keep their nuts dry. 100 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 Dec 13 - 10:15 AM An hundred. OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 12 Dec 13 - 10:01 AM aren't chaps those leather leg things the cowboys use to keep their nuts from getting sore while riding ? No, chaps are those leather leg things the cowboys use to protect their legs when they have to ride in rough brush. Chaps are leg coverings only, and wouldn't be any help in protecting their nuts. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Nigel Parsons Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:45 AM hey Gnu aren't chaps those leather leg things the cowboys use to keep their nuts from getting sore while riding ? or is it shaps ... I get so confused. My lips got pretty darn chaps once when I was trudging through the snow carrying a .338 magnum Then there was the woman who fell asleep naked in the city centre ... She woke up with a chap between her thighs. Or the woman who fell asleep naked on the syagogue steps... She woke with a heavy dew upon her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:19 AM Yo olddude! Could have been worse. My mate was sleeping over at his recently new girlfriend's house a few years ago. They went for a drink, which turned into a few drinks... In a nutshell, without getting too crude, he had to disappoint her, blame the beer and tell her to "wait till the morning." The morning never came. He was turfed out carrying his clothes in the middle of the night. Still drunk, he had got up for a pee and walked towards her en suite bathroom. He got as far as the wardrobe..... Local folklore has added a nice bit about pulling hangers off the rail trying to flush it........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST, Ebbie Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:23 AM Well, I, for one, don't mind being called pedantic when it comes to correcting, even if silently, some of the egregious stuff I come across. Point: I know we often say the 'fridge' but do you that it is therefore OK to spell it 'refridgerator'? Or 'Congradulations!' Or 'Potatoe's 89cents a pound'? Or 'There going to be their soon'? Or a myriad of other common ignorantics? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,olddude Date: 11 Dec 13 - 11:09 PM hey Gnu aren't chaps those leather leg things the cowboys use to keep their nuts from getting sore while riding ? or is it shaps ... I get so confused. My lips got pretty darn chaps once when I was trudging through the snow carrying a .338 magnum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: gnu Date: 11 Dec 13 - 10:08 PM Hahahahahaaaa! I just read a bunch a posts since I was arsed ta come back after ye pedants decided I mistalked a thought that ye all understood. Ye are a strange lot. Some a youse even try and do instead a try to do and then try to justify it. Been there, done that on another thread(s), much to my amazement... pedants CANNOT be held accountable, even when clearly in error. Holier than thou ain't worth shit. This thread was/is about that/you. Defending yourselves in such a manner as evidenced herein is indicting yourselves as self pretentious. Then again, who would expect less? Me? I just read what buddy said and can't be arsed to tell him he said it wrong. I mean, if I could tell him he said it wrong... well, do the math eh? Lighten the fuck up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 13 - 07:44 PM WE Yanks also have talent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: MartinRyan Date: 11 Dec 13 - 06:34 PM "Britons got talent" - the rest of us had to settle for genius! ;>)> Regards |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,olddude Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:15 PM you must have been there, why yes I did. The plants looked like it needed water LOL I shouldn't post when I am in a bad mood my apologies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,musket giggling Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:12 PM Well if you must read bog wall graffiti. .. Probably popped into the office of Lew the pub owner and pissed in his plant pot. Reminds me of a pub in Ireland in a village near Wexford called Screen that had a trophy on the wall with a rabbit's head on it. Oh, it had rather well crafted small antlers too. When we got in, the barman was busy explaining to two American tourists that such rabbits were indigenous to that corner of Ireland. Out came the cameras. .... Bless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,olddude Date: 11 Dec 13 - 03:44 PM by the way the sign in your own pub had an arrow and the word "Lew" so correct your own spelling |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,olddude Date: 11 Dec 13 - 03:37 PM how about musket if I be a good old redneck chap as you say and slap the shit out of you ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,LynnH Date: 11 Dec 13 - 01:32 PM Then, of course, there are those here on Mudcat who feel that they have to correct other peoples songs because of some real or imagined linguistic sin.......................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Lighter Date: 11 Dec 13 - 08:18 AM Check out Taylor Swift's get-up at the Victoria's Secret show as an example. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: Lighter Date: 11 Dec 13 - 08:13 AM Watch spelling. What you mean is "Britons got talent." Us Americans got talent too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,kendall Date: 11 Dec 13 - 07:59 AM The other day, one of our young weather reporters posted BLIZARD warning. Do they not teach spelling in weather school? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:59 AM I am no longer a pedant. Not since I bought an electric bicycle. Which I did actually... Far easier coming home from the pub now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Troubadour Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:27 AM And so do I really, but a pedant I ain't! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Troubadour Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:19 AM "Britains got talent may be acceptable over there, but it's poor grammar here." Unacceptable here too, without the apostrophe "Britain's got talent". Pedants realy need to proof read more carefully GUEST. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Troubadour Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:04 AM ""Good" speech and writing style depends upon the setting, the occasion, and the speaker/writer's intention. And for most occasions common courtesy is more important than proving one's superiority." Persackly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:56 AM Well, it was Meadowhall, which is uncomfortably close to Barnsley, so she could have been speaking deeh daah..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:53 AM What the silly woman meant to say was that you were espressing it wrong, I suppose. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pedants be damned From: GUEST,Musket Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:45 AM Pedantry alert.. Loo, not Lew, Johnny Foreigner. Be a good chap and do try to keep up. A good few years ago when a large shopping centre (sadly, we too see the word "mall" being used these days,) opened near us, I went into a coffee shop. Their menu offered "expresso." Not wanting to be crass and point out the error, I still wasn't going to join in either and and asked for an espresso. I was delighted to be told by the waitress I was saying it wrong..... |
