BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 09:34 AM

When someone notices something new others don't, they are like a jack ass in a hail storm, they just have to stand there and take it until the storm passes.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 05:31 AM

Nice one, Doug, but I imagine you're thinking of ducking... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 04:48 AM

The trouble with schizophrenia and covid is when both of you catch it.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 04:45 AM

I'm pointing out that research on human reaction to substances must contend with a host of potential confounding factors, many of them environmental. In addition, the research must be undertaken according to the principles of science and of properly-conducted clinical trials. Keep us posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 12:24 AM

As I had no idea that pot can protect you from infection in the first place. We are getting data on immunity out the wazoo. Pity the horse has already left the farm that neighbors the one whose barn door we're bolting...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 12:21 AM

No, Steve, that's just it. They have the data now to have factored all that in. Bipolar and schizophrenia - separately from all the stuff that goes along with being seriously mentally ill - are associated with a 2-3x higher covid mortality, as the scholarly articles to which I directed the thread say. No other serious mental illnesses, for example, show the same immune problems.

Like I said, bipolar has an autoimmune thing going on. I had no idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:09 PM

Sometimes what you think is just an off the cuff bias of your own imagination. I make those kind of guesses too but reserve absolute judgement.
In the medical research field there is a remarkable amount of fudging the figures, plagerism and false claims - more often by older established members. Big Pharma pays huge dividends to winners when profit motives are the real goal. Losers can be winners based upon sales and not effectiveness in a lack of regulation enviornment.
Sometimes the easiest cheat is to steal research from a non english speaking country and just translate into English as one's own work.

Sometimes a cigar is a real cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 07:59 PM

The jury is out regarding the causes of that. Homelessness, vaccine hesitancy, overcrowded housing conditions...and maybe some physiological or genetic differences. There's enough there, I think, to prioritise people with mental illnesses for the vaccine. If they'll take it...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 07:16 PM

If you are bipolar or schizophrenic and catch covid, the chances of you dying are 2-3 times greater than if you aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 06:07 PM

"Bipolar and schizophrenia, with all other factor factored out, convey @ 2-3x the chance of dying if you catch it. Not true for other psychiatric disorders. No added chance of catching it on the first place."

Again, in English?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 05:05 PM

Bipolar and schizophrenia, with all other factor factored out, convey @ 2-3x the chance of dying if you catch it. Not true for other psychiatric disorders. No added chance of catching it on the first place.

Some are thinking of reclassifying bipolar as an autoimmune disease with psychiatric symptoms.

Too many sources for another blicky. Google scholar bipolar autoimmune, bipolar covid, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 12:09 PM

You'll get a bad dose of misformation if you adhere too closely to this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 11:33 AM

Higher risk of Covid because of bipolar? Really? Catching it or getting a bad dose of it?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:24 AM

Just don't hitch hike in a blizzard without a coat like my half bro.
CBD did nothing for my severed nerve pain. I use lidocaine.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 08:28 AM

Yeah, I saw that about canna get covid! Wonder which is stronger, that protection, or my higher risk because of bipolar.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 05:51 AM

Met a dog walker yesterday whose dog had big lumpy joints: arthritis crippling him though he's only six. She said CBD (I think that's the right initials) was really helping him.
Joe Offer, could you suggest to your neighbour that he grow tall tomatoes with the other plants inside the rows?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:34 AM

Mrrzy, you are more protected from Covid infection than you thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:23 AM

There are already murmurings of outrage among the pig populations There was controversy when fetal pigs used to go to High School biology labs. With school closings they were just added to sausage.
But taking their hearts is a bridge too far. The anger has brought forth the Spartacus of Pork, a pancetta with a vendetta, a portly pissed off pig. Farmers and Doctors are in fear for their lives.

Speaking of Medical Mariquana https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=7a09

Willie Nelson, Seth Rogan and Snoop Dog remain uninfected.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 12:51 PM

There are members here whose family was helped by heart transplant.
The modified pig heart zenotransplantation took place in Baltimore and solved 2 rejection problems at once that even applied to human heart near matches.
Experiments have not yet included the pancreas, glands or womb.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 12:07 PM

As I said, I have issues surrounding the ethics. I'm not saying I'm right. The US has been far more ready to accept genetic modification of plants and animals than we have. It's even caused the occasional spat...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM

Until you're so sick you're not eligible for a human heart transplant. The man who received this heart is on the cutting edge, just as the first mechanical artificial heart in 1982 (into Dr. Barney Clark, who lived just 112 days and moved the world light-years as far as transplant science goes). The Jarvik heart.

From an article here:

When you first approached Clark, he declined. Why was that? Barney was a tough old guy, and as a successful dentist knew something about medicine. I had him watch me put an artificial heart into a cow. He saw the cow wake up and walk around. I really wanted him to understand what he might be signing up for. Barney said ‘I have some problems that this cow doesn’t have—it’s healthy going into this, I’m not.” He decided not to go through with it. I admit, I was a bit disappointed but accepted his decision.

What changed his mind? He changed his mind on Thanksgiving. He was so sick that day that his son had to carry him to the head of the dinner table. Going to bed that night, he told his wife, he was going to go through with it. He explained to her, “I’ve been kept alive for the last four years through all kinds of medicine and therapies that other people have given their lives to inform me; now, it is my time to pay them back.” That comment has really stayed with me, especially as I went on to help other patients whose reasons for the operation were different. Barney’s reason was to contribute, to move science forward and to help others in the future. Once he made up his mind, he was quite determined to go through with it.

But we digress. Back to medical pot.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:08 AM

Yeah, and dancing around a bonfire and sacrificing a chicken will cure your warts.

I'm a carnivore but I have serious issues with the ethics around genetically modifying animals then killing them for their body parts. I'm fine with killing animals that are a direct threat to humans or their crops, or for food, but, for me, that's as far as it goes.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:07 AM

I heard an NPR report last week that suggested that CBD is within one percentage point equal with placebos in testing situations (for a particular type of pain). I'm not surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 10:55 AM

Horatio there are things that will get you higher than Heaven or Earth but not everyone has access to medical research substances. Pot has the advantage of having little addictive qualities but endorphins can put ayahuaesca in the shade if you know what I mean. Yes you can make your own but so does the animal world. Due to budget restrictions one can't get Dolphin endorphins but Rhesus or Baboon endorphins are aplenty.
Euphoria, sex, strength, you name it, it gives a boost commensurate with Peruvian Marching powder on steroids.
Experiments to overcome depression and other ailments are the reason these exemplary natural substances have emerged.
They do not have the ineffable magical qualities of psychedelic mushrooms but well being to the power of ten is a road worth traveling.
It should be enough just knowing this stuff is out there but they are so good there is no denying that once taken they are easy to crave.

That reminds me genetically modified pigs that have no rejection genes are now used for pig heart transplants for humans. Also kidneys and other spare parts are on their way.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 09:02 AM

I still have friends and family up there in Maryland and they tell me it's pretty easy to get a scrip for MM.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:54 AM

There are too many barriers to obtain pot without inconveinience for me to buy any. But if there is a will there is a way. I just don't have the will. 20 years ago my half sister had an Army prescription for pot when she was terminal.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:43 AM

" THC is defended as much as spectrum alcoholics defend their alcohol. (said in a calm manner)
As long as they both know when to not drive I'm OK with it."

Heartily agree, Donuel. I've seen a lot of bodies, lives and families destroyed by alcohol abuse but not by pot. Anecdotal for sure but experience is the final arbiter on how I live my life.

Now this thread has been dragged off topic, the question was "What are y'all smoking these days?"

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:29 AM

CBD is in the drug stores here for years. Its not a panacea nor is it claimed to be. THC is defended as much as spectrum alcoholics defend their alcohol. (said in a calm manner)
As long as they both know when to not drive I'm OK with it.
PS: UK wine is becoming better with global warming.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:25 AM

Keto works for epilepsy too...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 06:48 AM

Man, this narc is really harshing my buzz.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 04:06 AM

Stating the facts in a calm manner is not invective, and it's disappointing that you appear unable to address what I say without including a personal attack. Your claims for the efficacy of CBD for epilepsy are plain wrong. Here are the facts that have been obtained from UK research. One drug containing pure CBD has been licensed here for two serious and very rare forms of childhood epilepsy. In those cases, seizures are reduced in one person in eight who use this medicine. They are prescribed it only after other medicines have not worked very well. Seizures are eliminated in fewer than one person in 150. Serious side-effects occur in one person in three.

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 11:20 PM

What you don't know about drug research and efficacy trials is lot. For childhood epilepsy that has nearly ceaseless seizures the CBD treatments are a virtual curative. It is far better than removing a segment of brain tissue imo. I have known a friend to have lost brain tissue the equivalent of the mass of an orange. She was featured on 60 minutes. We are in an era that cutting is legal but CBD is not. Thankfully that issue is improving. If you reserved your invectives to those you actually know you would quickly learn you should know better.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 12:36 PM

The evidence for that is incredibly slight and for very limited circumstances only. There are plenty of clinically-trialled, mainstream medications that are way above CBD in the epilepsy pecking order. I won't respond to the rest of the idiocy in that post.

What I strongly suspect from some of the posts in this thread is that there are people who like using cannabis for recreational use who are trying valiantly to legitimise it (and themselves) by claiming medical efficacy on top. For any serious condition I have or have had, my resort is to mainstream, trialled medicines. My wife was involved in two back-to-back clinical trials for two drugs aimed at preventing breast cancer. Two back-to-back, five-year trials and long-term monitoring thereafter. Both were double-blind trials which involved thousands of women. That's how it's done and how it should be done. Any claims here as to the efficacy of cannabis or its extracts simply can't hold a candle to that. Which is not to say that there isn't something in them. That isn't what I'm saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 12:21 PM

If you were King of the world, the world revolution would be against you by morning.
For all those acquainted with epillepsy who are aware of the advantages of CBD - good for you and the kids.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 11:41 AM

Yes it has, Charmion. And tobacco has killed many people, and don't get me started on the hydrogenating of cheap oils. Not a great argument for legalising another potentially harmful substance, though, it it? I wonder whether Sir Walter would have got his baccy past the authorities had its carcinogenic nature been known at the time. We should have learned enough by now about how to test stuff for harmful effects before letting even more genies out of the lamp. A small irony noted in this thread: at least one person who's a dope enthusiast (cannabis, a largely untested substance for medical efficacy in clinical trials, remember) is also a coronavirus vaccine doubter (yep, those jabs that are currently saving hundreds of thousands of lives after being passed by properly conducted clinical trials).

As I said, I think that anyone should have the right to grow plants from seeds and use the crop for their own personal use. If you know where magic mushrooms grow, great, it should be your right to collect them and abuse them at will (on yourself only). Remember that it's capitalism wot ruthlessly pushes booze, tobacco, unsustainable palm oil, fossil fuels and vicious neonicotinoid insecticides at us. Capitalism will promote the worst kinds of behaviour until the rest of us sit up and notice and start to squeal and chain ourselves to railings. 'Twas ever thus. Make dope legal, the same thing will happen. Grow it for yourself, great in my book. Commercialise it and we add one more source of ill-health to the world.

By the way, if look up genuine scientific sources which discuss the efficacy of cannabis and its products, you'll find precious few scientifically-confirmed benefits. Practically none. We are hardly out of the realms of witch-doctors and snake oil purveyors. Watch out for seeking out good old confirmation bias, weed enthusiasts!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM

Some people think CBD oil is psychoactive. It's not. Some CBD oil has a very minimal amount of THC. For some conditions, THC is necessary to relieve symptoms, and doesn't for others.

I thought CBD oil might help with some symptoms I have. I figured out it didn't when I couldn't tell if I'd had any.

Charmion, maybe adding alcohol and cannabis was my problem. Whatever caused it, it wasn't serious paranoia. I just was convinced everyone was talking about me, or laughing at me. Annoying, but I knew it was substance related when it was happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 10:12 AM

In Canada, cannabis in its many consumable forms has the same legal status as beverage alcohol, which has also addled many a brain.

I recently made my first visit to a cannabis store, where I met a lovely middle-aged woman who told me that she was required by law to limit her product advice to its recreational effects. I have asthma, so I don’t smoke it, but I’m learning to use CBD oil as a sleep aid, and I’m planning to start adding weed to my favourite cookie recipe.

The stand-out advice I received was to avoid mixing cannabis with alcohol as that combination can promote anxiety in some people, and, in extreme cases, paranoia.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 09:56 AM

Terpenes, baby.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 08:43 AM

Yep, Mrrzy, response to edibles varies widely from person to person. I'm fortunate that I get the desired result with a fairly small dose, about 10 mg of decarbed weed with 16-19% THC levels.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 07:24 AM

It isn't necessarily a discussion of weed that has been subjected to the same kinds of rigorous clinical trials required for other "medicines" (I note that "medicine" is a helpful replacement word for "drug...") though, is it, Mrrzy?

Where I stand on this is that it should not be the state's business if I wish to sow seeds of any crop, or collect mushrooms from the wild, that I want exclusively for my personal use. I'm allowed to brew home-made beer and wine, but only for myself. To sell it on, I need a licence. Quite right. On the federal level, marijuana is illegal. A minority of your states allow its recreational use. Another minority of your states disallow its medicinal use. Not a great picture, is it? Let's face it. Claiming medical benefits might just be an excuse for some people to use weed to get high. For nearly all the conditions that have been claimed can be helped by dope there are mainstream medicines that are clinically proven to be efficacious. In the UK, "clinically proven" means something...

As I said, cannabis has addled many a brain. If I were king of the world I'd let you grow it and addle away.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 10:15 PM

This thread is about legal, medically prescribed weed. All discussion of Well weed isn't legal where I am is moot.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 10:05 PM

I won't argue, but I did post something that appeared in the thread (I checked) which then disappeared. Just sayin', and it doesn't matter. Move on.

Weed works for some people. Works how? And weed works badly for some people. As I said, advocacy (especially on this thread) comes from enthusiastic fellow-travellers. I won't go any further into the psychology of that as I'm not qualified. Let's just say that the more people who are on board with a notion, the easier it is to make that notion fly. There's comfort in numbers, and big numbers help you to avoid obstinate facts. Which is how Trump will be re-elected, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 09:45 PM

Mrzzy, they didn't.
There was a duplicate message deleted in 2014. There have been no other deletions from this thread.

I know weed works for some people. It mostly makes me somewhat dopey, a little paranoid, VERY hungry, and one time, I had some nice hallucinations for about 3 hours. (Seemed like that, but it could've been only one.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 08:41 PM

I don't wish to discuss that necessarily. But I feel that any discussion of substances that have been illegal, or still are illegal in some places, or which have not been subjected to clinical trials, should be at least a little bit vulnerable to that small voice which says that you need to be cautious and not expect miracles. Marijuana has addled many a brain and stunted many a personality on this planet. Plenty of negatives really. Good luck to you if you indulge, but beware of enthusiastic advocacy from biased fellow users. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 07:50 PM

Why, did the mods delete a cautionary note?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 04:28 PM

Er, mods, it should be OK for someone to offer a cautionary note about medical advice or advocacy given here about unproven substances, which, you may not have noticed, are still illegal in many countries, including my own, for reasons some of us regard as valid. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 02:43 PM

I tried the legal edibles, from a dose of 5 [I think mg] to 60. No effect at all, at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 11:21 AM

I've been decarbolyzing dispensary flower and stuffing it into size "0" capsules or stirring it into yogurt so I'm not smoking as much. As with edibles it's a high that comes on slower and lasts about twice as long as toking depending on the THC content and the amount ingested. With this legal weed it's much easier to get the desired dosage and I seem to use about the same amount of pot as smoking.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 09:36 AM

Refreshing... A lotta water under the bridge in the last 7 years.

I have switched almost entirely to medical weed, as the dispensaries here in Virginia (all pot legal to consume, own, and give, but only medical can be legally bought and sold) check, and list, all the chemicals involved, and I do not tolerate anything jazzy any more, because of anxiety.

I can look up strains of recreational but those are kinda guidelines. What is listed on the medical is more trustworthy.

What are y'all smoking these days?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:05 PM

Hehehee... I just saw a pic of my neck of the woods. There are Purple Loosestrife plants in it. It's all over the place and it's a nasty plant that chokes the other plants and our wetlands. My old man just loved ruses. When I was about 16, he told me it was Lambkill... pot. Man, was I sick. I did get high, tho. Like when a child tries tobacco for the first time and gets dizzy, gets a headache and throws up.