BS: lets invade Iceland!

Subject: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:27 PM

bbc reporting is crap!

so ISIS is invading Iraq.
now one thing we know for certain is that invasions cost money. we know we've paid for three of them in the last few years. so instead of telling us that ISIS is invading - tell us who is paying for all this organisation, bullets, bombs etc.

then we can decide which country to smack in the gob. lastime we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq (an old favourite!). neither of which - it turned out had anything to do with 9/11.

if we are going to invade a country that has nothing to do with ISIS - then Iceland or Switzerland would manage it better. they would put up extra parking meters for the tanks, and probably be quite decent about it. charge a lot for coffee or a beer - but that's foreigners for you...

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:54 PM

Iceland would be a great escape. The more I hear about what is going on elsewhere it sounds like heaven.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:57 PM

Maybe too much news?
After all, most of us have little control over such events.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:58 PM

Why invade? Just offer to do a house swap for a month.

And didn't Britain have a ASWbase up there in WW2?

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 07:04 PM

According to The Daily Beast ISIS is being funded by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three US allies. Who's to know?

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 07:57 PM

I fail to find humor in the events taking place in Iraq.

ISIS is composed of activist Sunnis. The Iraq government is Shia-dominated.
The invasion of Iraq and deposition of Saddam Husain threw out the Sunni government. Now the Sunnis are re-building and want their slice of the country.

The three hostile groups in Iraq are a recipe for chaos and death.
(The third being the Kurds)

The unholy mixture was created by British and French pens as they carved up the Ottoman Empire following WW1.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:37 PM

Come now, the Sunni and Shia were knocking the seven hells out of each other from mid 7th Century, long before either England or France were even conceived of.
True, Sykes-Picot did little to help, but they'd still have been at each others throats even if Lawrence had been listened to.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 09:00 PM

Greenland. Let's have Lichtenstein invade Greenland.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 09:27 PM

follow the money. who has financed this attempt to bugger up our multi million dollar attempt to establish a democracy.

before we put a single british or American life on the line - find out who the enemy is. then kick the shit out of them.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Janie
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 09:50 PM

Watch the real news - The Daily Show and the Colbert Report, and all will be clear. (Tongue only partially in cheek.)

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 01:47 AM

" ... find out who the enemy is. then kick the shit out of them."

Unfortunately, the 'enemy' (see bodad's entry above) are also the US and UK's 'allies' and supply us with lots and lots of oil. It's a funny, profoundly toxic old world!

Still, it won't be long until climate change (caused by the oil - and other fossil fuels) finishes our species off ... Peace will finally prevail then.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 08:00 AM

Yes , I believe that there was an RAF base in Iceland in WW2 ; British humourist and comedy-scriptwriter Frank Muir was stationed there , and didn't find it funny ! Skarpie has had a rough time too ,what with having his village wiped out by an un-pronounceable volano ,etc.No, let's invade Singapore, it is much nicer !!

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 08:01 AM

VolcaNo , of course !

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 11:31 AM

Q is correct: British and French pens did create Iraq and Syria, but it doesn't follow that doing otherwise nearly 100 years ago would have resulted in a significantly different situation in Syria and Iraq today. Maybe, maybe not. Arguing about hypothetical situations is diverting but useless.

The conflict in Iraq today is not national but chiefly religious and tribal. Its ultimate causes have more to do with the 2003 invasion and the mishandling of the brief "peace" by all concerned.

As unjust as European colonial administration may have been, it resulted - while it lasted - in nothing like this.

Besides, pinpointing a historical moment that set the ball rolling for *anything* is a futile enterprise. Every historical event results from countless influences. And creates countless others. It *is* a jungle out there, a jungle of cause and effect.

Was it *merely* defeat in WW1 that made Germany attack Poland and perpetrate the Holocaust? Was it merely the Treaty of Versailles? Was it merely Hitler? Was it merely these things - and no others - all taken together?

Of course not.

No single act by the French, British, Israel, the USSR, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Bush, NATO, al-Maliki, or Obama is *the* cause of the ISIS attack on Iraq.

We also need to get over the idea, and fast, that an American President or anyone else has the personal capacity to predictably set everything right, if only he'd use it properly. (Which means, "The way I want it.")

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 11:57 AM

Iceland? THIS is in Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:42 PM

In a way, the problem was caused by a British Colonel in 1999, who refused to consider including any plan to install a clean-up administration in the wake of a peacemaking operation, along the lines of the civil administrators put into Europe in the wake of the liberating forces, ensuring all Nazis were purged from local administration.

By leaving enemies in a position where they could seek revenge (and many of the Baathist elite under Saddam have resurfaced in this gang), we have made a rod for our own backs. In WWII they were removed from circulation into prison camps for long enough, a couple of years, for society to reform without them, and for them to be about as much use as chocolate teapots thereafter. They got what was left, bottom of the heap, and although some had status they could eventually recover, it was far from sufficient to return to the bad old ways.

So once again, a Colonel Blimp sunk us. God rot Staff Colonels!

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 04:47 AM

The product range is far better in Tesco or Sainsbury than in Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:54 AM

Yes , I believe that there was an RAF base in Iceland in WW2
We occupied the country on 10 May 1940. The USA took over the occupation in 1941.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 10:20 AM

> In a way, the problem was caused by a British Colonel in 1999.

Many people felt the same way, but at worst all they did was   *contribute to* an imperfectly foreseen problem. Additional NATO failures were only further unfortunate contributions. No single condition or action is likely to determine the future.

Other things were happening i Iraq too, like rebuilding, that were contributing (though unsuccessfully) to far different outcomes. And still other things, like the continued American presence, were influencing in unquantifiable ways the potential of both good *and* bad outcomes.

Hindsight is rarely 20/20. It's more like tunnel vision.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:09 PM

The Sunni-Shia division has existed for many years, as Lighter notes.
In Iraq, the Shias are (were) dominant in an area in the east and south of Bagdad; a kinship with the Shias in Iran.

Sunnis were more numerous in the west part of the "country," with the predominantly Sunni Syria, Jordan and parts of Turkey.

Kurds were dominant in the northern area of Iraq and adjacent parts of Turkey and Syria.

I feel that these divisions should have been foreseen and taken into account in the divisions made following WW1, but as Lighter says, hindsight is imprecise, and actions by the alliance and American occupation only added to the problem.

In 2003, the invasion force consisted of the Americans, UK, Australia and Poland. Later, over 30 more nations became involved (Iceland sending two troops; number of Kurdish irregulars unknown).

Bush and Tony Blair maintained that the action was to "disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support of terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people" (quote cobbled together from several speeches by our peerless leaders).

It looks like the U. S. may continue to be involved in one way or another, but the other nations have wisely retreated from further participation.

So lets punish Iceland for sending those two soldiers, by invading and building winter resorts and casinos.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:12 PM

Donald Trump should lead the invasion, adding to his attempt to invade Scotland with development plans.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:27 PM

Can we wait until the start of next Summer, it can get mighty cold from September !

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: skarpi
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 03:55 PM

Well , Guest is right

Yes , I believe that there was an RAF base in Iceland in WW2
We occupied the country on 10 May 1940. The USA took over the occupation in 1941.

not long ago the US left Iceland the Airforce gave up his base in
Kelfavík Airport ,
now you want to take Iceland , well its either US , China or Russia ...
so you can guess what we want up here in the North Atlantic ..

Yes my home town in Vestmann Island went hard in 1973 when it erupted ,
and yes we have another volcano waiting to erupt , Hekla , Katla , Vatnajökull -Glacier ...there are about 5 volcano in the Glacier .

so take Iceland make a star in your flag , its either you or them ..

but future will only tell the truth ..

all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 02:13 AM

" GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:42 PM

In a way, the problem was caused by a British Colonel in 1999"

Can anyone explain what this clown is wittering on about?

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 09:13 AM

A reference to Iraq not Iceland. Some attribution for his claim would have been nice.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:18 PM

The post by guest of 23 Jun 14 is incomprehensible. Best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 07:17 PM

Maine's governor LePage visited Scotland last week and from all reports managed to keep his big mouth shut and his foot out of it.
Skarpi - please tell me it's true. The man can be such a bull in a china shop.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: lets invade Iceland!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 07:44 PM

perhaps ISIS are all Cambridge men....