BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 03:03 AM

I am a simple woman (a feminist, though not man-hating) so I don't understand "Oh..and my Dad was 17 years younger than my mum...she was married at 19, had my brother at 20..."

Is the math just slightly off on those figures?

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 02:52 AM

'Rolph' should have been 'Rolf' of course...Trauma left over from that dreadful 'George Rolph' bloke a year or so back.

Freudian slip? I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Dave...You know how thick I am, surely, so you'll have to explain a little more clearly....

Here you go, Lizzie -

From Wiki: A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious ("dynamically repressed") subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the ego and the rules of correct behaviour.

So, some may think that your mention of Rolph (You did it again, twice, in your post of 02 Jul 14 - 06:09 PM BTW) could be a repressed link to your initial championing of George Rolph before you realised he was a nutter. It is interesting that you were so wrong about one Rolph. How wrong are you about this one? No matter, now you are here I suspect that this thread will go the same way as the last one.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 02:41 AM

I have just read an article by Alison Philips of that rag, 'The Mirror', which I will NEVER link to again, where she states that Alwen, the wife of Rolf Harris, must be asking herself many questions, one of them (wait for THIS!) is this:

>>>"Surely she must wonder why she couldn't satisfy him sexually so that he turned to young ­children?"<<<

Then this:

>>>"Surely she will beat herself up as to why she wasn't able to save some of those young victims?"<<<<

As I've stated before, I do not believe Rolf is guilty. I feel this trial should NEVER have come to Court and there are so many 'holes' in the non-existant 'evidence' from some darn dodgy accusers (in my opinion) that it beggars belief....BUT for anyone, ANYONE to write such vile trash as the above 'questions' are, takes this whole vile and foul media reporting to A Whole New LOW!

Today, I'll try and get through to Alison Philips to ask her who the feck she thinks she is writing such venomous crap!

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 02:15 AM

Lizzie says she knows a lot about mental health.

Living the dream man, living the dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 08:01 PM

got to admit I rather admire Lizzie for these posts. well done kid!

the thing is, I rather fancied myself in a loin cloth. although I never really had the figure for it. I think it was my childhood fantasy ....doing a war dance in a revealing loin cloth, something short and snappy like Tonto before he got into all that buckskin ......loads of innocent fun - getting an erection during a pow wow! jumping off your pony in front of Maureen O'Hara or Doris Day!

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:16 PM

Hey, Greg, why don't you just scroll on by my posts?

Shimmy, yes, I've heard of both. I don't have the precis gene, sorry about that, and..I write the way I write, never telling you how to write, please note that last bit....Thanks...

Jim Davidson on how Operation Yewtree affected his life

Freddie Starr - looking like death - on how HIS life too was torn apart

Right, I'm off to bed now, have A Good Night Of Grumbling... xx

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:10 PM

Hey Liz - here's an idea: why don't you restrict your endless assinine garbage solely to your Holy FarceBook page instead of smearing it around here?

Anyone who cares to know what you think[sic]- though why anyone would passses understanding- could easily go there and check.

Easier for you, and a helluva lot easier for the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:09 PM

Lizzie, have you ever come across the word "brevity"? And do you understand the phrase: "Get to the f***ing point"?

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:09 PM

"......as happened to the aussie couple convicted but later cleared when evidence showed that a dingo had taken their child."

Yes, Pete, thank you for remembering that poor lady. She too was put through total hell, would have been burned at the stake, had that still been permitted and yet, she was not only wholly innocent, but she had also had to live with losing her child in the most appalling way, whilst also being blamed for murdering it too....

That's humans though, someone throws them a story and they all call for blood instantly..and this whole Yewtree business has made me realize that we've never moved on for centuries, because that pack instinct of BURN THE WITCH! still remains to this day....

Nowt humans like better than a bloody good hanging, eh?

How sad are we, as a species!

Of course, had Rolph been found innocent, you'd all be in here being just like the press, "Oh my god, poor Rolph, how terrible for him, for all the others!"...but no, 12 people voted 'guilty' on NO evidence at all, and out comes the pack..."Hang The BASTARD!!"

Dave Lee Travers is facing more accusations, despite being found innocent by the way..and once The Tumbleweed Females scent that Rolf's fortune could be theirs, they'll try even harder to come up with "Oh my GOD, I remember NOW, back in 1961 I sat next to him on a train and he brushed his leg against mine, and now, I'm a WRECK! So, cut me a slice of his money too, please...and my legal team too!"


No, I do NOT like many women these days. I think they've lost the bloody plot...I loathe the way the Men Hating Feminists have created a world where ALL women are to be believed and ALL men not...

I also LOATHE the way that someone touching you FORTY years ago, can now be seen as indecent assault, when back then it was a very different time, with very different rules...and no, I am not saying that someone sticking their fingers up yer bum was acceptable, but I AM saying that a man who wolf-whistled was NOT sexually abusing you, nor was the odd pat/pinch on the bottom life-crippling either!

I would HATE to be a man these days, really hate to be a man....

I'd never touch a woman without getting her to sign a contract, seriously, it's getting THAT bad....

This is NOT equality, it's a fecking Witch Hunt against men, and whilst women have, for WAY too long been treated like Shite throughout much of history (not ALL women though) to throw it back at men as the man-hating feminists have done, are still doing, is NOT on. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

There are many elements of this case of Rolf Harris which stink, because they make no sense at all, yet that is utterly overlooked and the police stand beside the CPS spouting out rubbish, beaming that they've 'got their man'....

You know what, this reminds me of the Leonard Peltier case in some ways, because the FBI couldn't get the first three men they arrested for the murder of their agents, the judge throwing the case out due to a total lack of evidence, but by god, they were determined to take Leonard down, for he was The Last Man Standing...and so, they twisted everything they could, had him brought back from Canada illegally, threatened witnesses, who were actually not witnesses at all, not even knowing him, moved the trial to the most racist part of South Dakota, hired an FBI friendly judge, getting him out of retirement...etc..etc...

And how they CROWED when he was sent down...

And how The Met Police and CPS are now crowing too....

Now, the British Press is 'neutralizing' Rolf Harris, just as the FBI 'neutralized' those they wanted to take down, to break apart, be they an individual or a group...

This trial should never have happened without far more evidence...EVERY single trial has had Tumbleweed Women falling out of nowhere to make new accusations, regardless of whether the men were innocent or guilty...

By heck, I'd come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who'd hurt my children, abused them...but I do not believe Rolf Harris is the man we're being told he is, neither do many of his friends, who've known him for decades, neither do some folks on FB who've worked with him in the past and who never ever saw anything untoward when he was working with children, with them....Strange, as he apparently did this 'for the thrill' so the prosecution lawyer said, over and again...

And, isn't it strange that he didn't start all this until much later in his life, as most 'paedophiles' have been 'at it' for most of their lives, but heck, what the feck do I know...

Oh..and my Dad was 17 years younger than my mum...she was married at 19, had my brother at 20...

Madonna's boyfriend is around 22 (?) whilst she's in her mid 50s, but apparently, that's all OK, as she's a woman...so she's fine to go out with a man 30 years younger, but a man is no longer allowed to fancy a much younger woman of 18, without being a pervert....

For the Times, They Are A-Changin....

And now, I'm off to rest my weary eyes....Hopefully I've not used any 'inmate' words or said anything too overtly OTT, but if I have, put it down to rapidly advancing senile dimentia/dementia and too much sorrow over my own species, for many reasons...

God knows what 'vil' 'sinister' (insert vile adjective of choice, a la The Mirror and other papers) Rolf will have been accused of tomorrow, but I'm sure they'll find something...

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:05 PM

Please don't worry, Fwuffy, you never make anyone think. Indeed I doubt whether you know what the word means.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 05:43 PM

Yes, patient, I stand corrected....I have used the term 'patient' in posts about this on my FB page and on the pages of others, but hang me for using the term 'inmate' if you so wish...

Yes, I know a LOT about mental health these days, far more than you may think, SC...I also know that some folks with severe mental health issues lie...some don't..but, some do..and for the newspapers to be now be trying to spread the idea that Rolf was akin to Savile, creeping around Broadmoor, on unsubstantiated facts, from a former PATIENT, in one of the top security psychiatric hospitals, beggars belief. But hey, they've have to sell their papers, right?

Oh..and also, on my FB page, you'll find me saying that I couldn't recall which gender he/she she/he had crossed over from/into, before I wrote the post above...

And NO, I do NOT have a problem with folks who are transvestites, or who've gone for the whole sex sway, thanks, before you push that on me too, in every effort to make me look as bad as ever...

And yes, I know ALL about PTSD and sexual abuse because I married a man who had the first, was asked to marry a man who also suffered from this and BOTH of them had had a terrible start in life...really terrible. They both lied too...and were the saddest, most unhappy men I've ever come across...Not everyone is fixable, trust me on that one.....


Well, Eliza, may I politely suggest that you perhaps stop adding fuel to the ever-increasing fire of insanity that has now broken out in the papers about Rolf, by suggesting/wondering if he sexually abused his daughter...As to The Mirror, they put the phone down on me after listening, but when I asked them to explain what RIGHT they felt to now preface Rolf's name with the word 'evil', based on a trial in which there was NO evidence and gaping holes of horror in the accusers stories...they THEN put the phone down on me....

Al, you insulted the Native Americans and made out my interest in them was sexual. It is not, nor has it EVER been in ANY way whatsoever...and that deeply upset and insulted me. It also insulted them. You then went on to talk about 'natives in loin cloths' etc...It's not funny, they have suffered hugely and are, at present, desperately trying to get 'The White Man' to respect them, their culture, their history...They're not there to be made fun of any longer, nor should they ever have been in times past either....

'Rolph' should have been 'Rolf' of course...Trauma left over from that dreadful 'George Rolph' bloke a year or so back.

Freudian slip? I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Dave...You know how thick I am, surely, so you'll have to explain a little more clearly....

If I've left anyone else out, please forgive me, I can only beat off so many vultures at one time....I'm off to recharge my light sabre now...

Oh..and if you could add the 'BBC link' which I was supposed to have read and copied, above, as 'Guest' suggested, I'd appreciate it, as I can't find it via Google at all.

Thank ye all....and sorry if I made you think a little more deeply.
I do apologize wholeheartedly........

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 05:05 PM

my wife just showed me a facebook post about a "well loved pop star" about to be implicated in all this mess.
it's all been going through the due course of law, but it makes me wonder sometimes.
we shall have to accept that I suppose, until such time as, or if, they are found not guilty at a later date, as happened to the aussie couple convicted but later cleared when evidence showed that a dingo had taken their child.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:59 PM

leave Lizzie alone - she has her opinions. I am not sure its a good idea to argue with, and its never a good idea to insult anybody to their face,

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,TT
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:37 PM

A small error of fact, Lizzie "a lady called Alison Pink, who was formerly a Mister, has now said she, when she was a he, saw Savile and Rolf watching the female patients at Broadmooor undressing later that day..."

Steven George is a transman who was known as Alison Pink whilst he was in Broadmoor before he transitioned, which explains why he was in the female ward.

You've got that totally wrong. What else have you got wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Amergin
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:31 PM

And there's more women coming out about this piece of shit every day. I don't see them pursuing him for monetary gain, some may be...but not all, not most. They are making their stories heard.

Lizzie, the fact that you are defending this fucker says a lot about you....and none of it good.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:21 PM

yeah... inapropriate touching up hence forth to be knpwn as 'sexual Rolf-Harrisment'...

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:04 PM

very odd Lizzie! I got the impression you thought I was harassing you at one point. yet here you are defending this bloke who seems to have been touchy feely gropey fondley tickley for decades....

meanwhile I have waxed (GEDDIT LIKE BRAZILIAN) poetic

a wily Australian named Harris
said the queen i couldn't embarrass
he said i'll tickle her bush
with me soft bristle brush
i use artistic licence to harass

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 02:14 PM

William Roache - Innocent
Dave Lee Travers - Innocent
Michael Le Vell - Innocent

Which shows that the juries don't convict unless there is an overwhelming body of evidence. Which there was, according to Radio 4. Lots of accounts, all corroborative, from different women of different ages in different parts of the world. That is why the jury found him unanimously guilty. They heard all of the evidence. You haven't. You made up your mind that he was innocent before the trial even happened, but that doesn't make it true. He has been found guilty via due process. He's a dirty old bugger, which has been proved in a court of law, and now he is going to jail.

Why do you hate women so much?

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 12:59 PM

the letter was just Rolph being honest

Freudian slip there, Lizzie? Maybe reminding us just how good a judge of character you are? :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM

Lizzie, you say that the Mirror 'put the phone down on you'. I think I will do the equivalent here. I have absolutely nothing to say to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 12:21 PM

I noticed she called patients inmates too.

That's the least stupid thing she put though, so I wouldn't get too excited.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 12:09 PM

Lizzie sez: "Just one thing you might like to know about Miss Pink, she is a former INMATE of Broadmoor, the highest category psychiatric hospital in the country".

Patient not "inmate", Lizzie. It's a hospital and this isn't the 19th century. And not everyone there is a Sutcliffe or Brady.

I can tell you, as a mental health worker, that the police and the judicial system have a terrible track record of discounting and ignoring and refusing to hear the testimony of people with mental health needs. It's still happening today - my colleagues and I deal with the fall-out from this institutional discrimination against the mentally ill all the time. As a supposed champion of the oppressed, please don't play the same game - especially not as a cheap shot in support of a convicted sex offender.

Spend any length of time working with people with severe mental health problems and you'll find a disproportionate number who suffered sexual or physical abuse as children. Add in those who were emotionally abused and the figures are shocking. Some professionals are now argumeuing that in some cases serious mental health issues are a form of post traumatic stress disorder.

http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/04/20/childhood-trauma-linked-to-schizophrenia

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 12:07 PM

No, Richard, the letter was just Rolph being honest, being horrified at the outpouring from the woman when he ended the affair....

Her lawyer said he'd just changed the age details, that he'd really been writing about her from an age 13 point of view...

Crap...

I should imagine that Rolf is one of those folks who curls up with pain if he does something to hurt someone else and if she'd just said she had hated every moment of being with him, when he had truly thought their affair was built on love, then he would have started to see himself as vile in her eyes...

Maybe she used him? Maybe, when he said she initiated the affair he was telling the truth....

Maybe, if he has Aspegers, which I have thought for a while he may have, he was telling the truth all the way through..

He wrote the letter honestly, knowing full well it could be used against him..Most celebrities would NEVER have done that...

Yes, he had an affair behind his wife's back, with his daughter's best friend...

Shit happens...

My mother had an affair behind my father's back with my brother's best friend, when I was just 14...It's part of the reason I try to look deeper all the time, to analyze, to question, to work out why....

I know a little how Bindi felt, still feels to this day....It blew my world apart..and I was dragged in to Mum's lies, wanting to protect my Darlin' Dad in every way...Of course, he finally came to realize, it broke his heart but, he never stopped loving or taking care of my mother.....

Not ONE of us know the truth here, because there is NO evidence at all, although there IS evidence that Rolf was NEVER at the community centre where the woman who was 7 years old back then, placed him, because even the police have never been able to track him to being there, and there would have been a record..That alone should tell folks something, but all the papers do is shout out "He ABUSED A 7YEAR OLD!"

I put it to you that he did NO such thing at all......and that all the other accusations against him are all on very shaky ground.

There is a couple in Australia who now are saying he abused the woman interviewer on camera, putting his hand on her thigh and elsewhere and that her colleague saw this happen, but again, WHERE is the evidence. IF it was 'on camera' WHERE is the film? You wouldn't get rid of that kind of evidence, would you?

But, they're all having their 15 minutes of fame at least, camera crews rolling up etc.....

Sorry for sounding so cynical, but this whole Yewtree business has sickened me from the start. Yes, I know that a couple of them have been found guilty, Stuart Hall openly admitting what he did, but this has become like a Witch Hunt....

There's a 'much loved pop star' out there too who is about to be named soon...and others....

Those who seriously abused, as in raped or almost at that level, then yes, pursue those cases as best you can, but those who are saying 'he touched my breast 45 years ago and I've been a wreck ever since!"...well, my advice to them would be to STOP being The Modern Way of going into Total Shock if a man even brushes up against you...it's all gone NUTS these days, driven by real man-hating feminists who have caused a war between men and women...

ANY woman could say whatever she damn well felt like against my gentle, kind son one day..and the world would believe her and loathe him, with his reputation being scarred forever..and THAT cannot, CANNOT be right, in any way at all....

If someone pinched your bum 40 years back, get over it....I did all the time, when it happened repeatedly to me on The Metropolitan Line, after a long day's work in London...It used to be seen as 'just a bit of fun', but now, we're driven by the Fuckingly Serious Ones who want to hang, drawer and quarter anyone who even dares to touch them, let alone HUG them.....

We're becoming a species who no longer touches, hugs nor loves openly...

Yes, respect should always be shown, but when a man can get into Deep Shite, purely for wolf-whistling at a woman, well, it's time I left this odd world, because I used to LOVE being wolf-whistled at, would wave back merrily, smiling as I walked by, cheering up their day and they cheering up mine....

Bring back The Carry On films and let's all Carry On As We Once Did, happy and laughing with each other.....

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:49 AM

I wasn't re-hashing anything, just putting my OWN thoughts down, as I have been for ages on my FB page, since before the trial even began...

As to Eliza thinking he may have abused his own daughter, why on EARTH would you think that, Eliza?

Rolf is on record as saying he was selfish in his younger days, not giving Bindi anywhere nearly enough attention through being off around the world all the time.....

She resented him bitterly for that...Many children of famous parents feel the same, I know, I was married to one such man and his parents attitudes towards him broke he and his brother, for both of them were relatively well-known in their time, in the 40s...

She grew, however, to come to understand her Dad's talent drove him onwards and as she's grown out of the his shadow, in her own artistic talent, she's also grown to like him far more...

Does Rolf have Aspergers? Possibly....it would certainly explain his rendition of Jake The Peg in Court, when nerves probably got the better of him. Many famous people are on that spectrum/circle, being able to be one person whilst on stage, somehow covering up their nerves, but being unable to cope out of that 'safety net' they create for themselves....Rolf apparently prefers his own company when at home a lot too, which would also fit in, as would his being unable to understand that Alwen was so lonely when he was off on yet another gig/trip..

The main crime here is that he had affairs whilst being married..and many people live with that 'crime' every day of their lives...Some have open marriages, knowing the other does that, doing so themselves too, but none of it is the business of the public at large...

As to Bindi's friends medical notes, well, who knows what they were about. Maybe she was ensuring a back up for a later date? If Rolf's name was revealed in them, why did no-one speak out earlier?   

The prosecution barrister even tried to infer that the 'slow walk' to court each day was put on, just a publicity stunt...saying that Bindi waited around the corner for her parents, in a cafe, only getting into their car at the last moment, so they drove to Court together...Well, why would she NOT do that? She doesn't live with them, has her own life, would have parked her car close by to drive home in afterwards.....And the 'slow walk' was because not only are both Rolf and Alwen in their 80s now, but Alwen can barely walk at all..I'd imagine she may well have very bad arthritis....

The lawyer twisted EVERYTHING around, using EVERYTHING she could, even daring to say that Bindi was only backing her father to ensure she got his inheritance......

He didn't stand a chance, not without having a lawyer who was as hideously and grossly gross as that one was..and sadly, he didn't.....

Now, the press are turning him into Savile, using all the lurid adjectives they never got the chance to throw at Savile, at Rolf instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:48 AM

Some reckon it was the letter that tipped the scales. That, IMHO, WAS evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Colin Cackhead
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:37 AM

ooohh.. it do make you think tho, dunt it !!!??

and that Gary Glitter, turns out he dint do it either.
Some bloke called Paul Gadd framed him, he was the real pervy villain..
pretending to be Gary Glitter to lure young girls into his evil clutches...

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:17 AM

By the way, the whole Michael Jackson thing? Look it up on the internet, find out about the father of the 'victim', he killed himself not long after Michael died... The 'victim' was Michael Jackson, not that man's son....

Heyho...

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:17 AM

I hate to come to Lizzie's defence but she is basically rehashing an item from the BBC website in her own inimitable style. That article does give the impression that the conviction was on shaky evidence.

Hopefully there was a lot more that the jury heard that wasn't mentioned in the article.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 11:04 AM

I refer m'learned colleagues to my prediction of Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:59 PM

Just surprised it took so long...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 10:24 AM

Well, I'd have shoved a bomb of words up this jury, for sure, Musket...and made them think FAR deeper than they have...


What? A Quest for MONEY may be involved???????? Surely not! (said, tongue in cheek) Surely NOT a SINGLE woman who has made claims about Rolf Harris would have done it for.......MONEY? Oh, wait a moment, the one in the video in this link, Tonya Lee, already HAS, selling her story for $60,000, hiring an agent to get her interviews, (yes, she's able to somehow pull herself together to DO interviews, bringing up The Terrible Time over and over and over, for money)...She admitted in court to LYING to the police, telling them she'd never sold her story, at any time, anywhere...Yes, she went to the MEDIA before even going to the Police....



Yes, there goes his money! And GUESS who it will go to????

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 10:08 AM

The thought of that woman on a jury...

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 09:32 AM

>>>"He made a remark about how attractive I was with my long thick hair, and said he'd 'never seen so many lovely-looking lady teachers in one school'. In hindsight, that makes me shiver a bit!"<<

It shouldn't....

I do NOT believe for a moment that Rolph Harris is guilty.

The '7 year old' who is now a middle-aged woman of course, stated she was at a community centre, waiting in a queue to get his autograph. Rolf denied he'd ever visited that place.

THE POLICE HAVE NEVER FOUND ANY EVIDENCE THAT HE VISITED THAT PLACE EITHER....

So, WHY did the Crown Prosecution Service, and the police, accept her load of bollocks?   If she was waiting in a queue of people, it would have been an official engagement...

Gawd, I can't believe how people are reacting to all this Yewtree Shite, I really can't!

Tonya Lee, from Oz, claims he called her to sit on his lap and was moving around a bit, obviously a bit excited...she was 13, or 15, it varies (sigh)...so she went to the ladies loo, in the pub where she was with a group of Aussie Actors, on tour...

Well, knock me down with a feather, but when she came out, there was Rolf, in a public corridor, in a PUB, waiting for right outside the ladies loo, where he sexually abused her...This caused her to become anorexic and a shivering jelly...

But of course, it didn't, because in court she admitted to the fact that actually, she'd gone orf her food with the rest of her acting group, who hated British food and who all lost weight and that this happened, lo and behold, before she'd even MET Rolf Harris!

Then, she spent the next umpteen years in hell, but managed with her boyfriend, to sell her story for $60,000, employing an agent to help sell her story and to get her loadsa interviews...Her boyfriend later said she'd made the whole thing up, she said HE was lying, had abused her and served time for it....

Meanwhile, back at The Ranch Of The What Story Shall I Make Up Next Brigade, she decided to openly LIE to the Aussie Police, saying that 'no no NO, Offiers, I have not sold my story, nor received $60,000 of LOVELY money to pay off my debts with, no no no, not at all..."

She admitted this in Court...but obviously, those are my words above, for the Pedantic Brigade...

Meanwhile, she's to be found on Google Images, pouting at the camera, hand delicately under chin, in skin tight blouse and very short Ooh La LA skirt, posing in the park....

Sigh...

Then, there is Bindi's ex-best-friend who has been spreading it around, via court, that Rolf has a 'very, VERY small penis', although WHAT that has to do with ANYTHING, other than her wanting to get her own back at him in the most cruel of ways, who knows what...

Rolf said he'd ended the affair and she'd come to him to ask for £25,000 saying that she and her brother would go to the press if he didn't pay. She was a raging alcoholic by this time, having started to experiment with drink at a very early age, which she laid at Rolf's door too.....

He refused to pay her....

He sent a message to her father, you may have read his letter, apologizing for any upset caused, as he had thought their affair was coming from a place of love...Bindi said she felt her friend loved her father, even though she, Bindi, had been torn apart by the news when she discovered it..

She stayed in that affair, STAYED in it, for 10 years, so obviously his 'ver VERY small penis, as she took the trouble to describe it to the Court, didn't trouble her that much at all....

I have NO doubt she will be putting in a very, very BIG claim on his fortune though....

And then, we have Little Miss 'It's A Knockout', except, it wasn't, it was called something entirely different, and the programme was filmed many years out from the date she gave, albeit it was in Cambridge...

"Rolf DELIBERATELY lied!" screamed the papers, after Rolf had stated he'd never been to Cambridge until recently....

No, he wasn't lying, he just had not been AWARE that this programme had taken place in Cambridge, as most of the time, most celebrities are DRIVEN to destinations and this was on the outskirts of the city, in a park. Sue Cook, former TV presenter and friend stepped up immediately the next day to say in Court that she too had been taking part in that programme and she too had had NO idea it was in Cambridge either, as her schedule, just like Rolf's at that time, had her being driven from venue to venue to venue, all the time....

"You look lovely in that..." he said, about the friend of his daughter, when she was wearing a bikini. This, is now a 'sexual remark', so do NOT mutter such words yourselves ANYMORE to ANYONE...

"I was a very, very shy child" she said (Bindi's friend that is) yet she was happily parading around in a flesh coloured bikini at age 13...Hmmm? No THAT shy then, as at that age, I was still wearing my towelling top over my swimsuit, WAY too shy to take it off in public...

And now, we have the Newest of The New Headlines, of how two EVIL PAEDOPHILES (yes, Savile and Rolf) were both at Broadmoor!!

Shock! Horror! FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK#!!!$%$^&*!!!!!!!###

Right, ROLF was there at THE SUMMER FETE, signing autographs, whilst sitting down at a desk, in the sunshine.

HOWEVER, a lady called Alison Pink, who was formerly a Mister, has now said she, when she was a he, saw Savile and Rolf watching the female patients at Broadmooor undressing later that day...

Just one thing you might like to know about Miss Pink, she is a former INMATE of Broadmoor, the highest category psychiatric hospital in the country, lest we forget, which houses Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe, amongst other Friendly Folks You'd Not Ask Round To Meet Yer Granny....

But fuck it, you all carry on believing whatever they tell you to believe and never step back to question a damn thing...

Oh..and the evidence?????


There is NO evidence, zilch, none, not a shred, nothing, other than the words of others...

I rang The Mirror up earlier today to give 'em hell about their 'EVIL PAEDOPHILES!' headline about Broadmoor....they put the phone down on me...
Oh..and somethingn else to think on...had Rolf been found innocent, the papers would have run all their other stories instead, you know, the ones where so many men's lives are being ripped apart by vindictive, lying, off their trollies women...causing folks like Freddie Starr (who nearly committed suicide)becoming really ill and looking as if he's at death's door...and Jim Davidson too, to be put through hell, because the police hadn't even CHECKED out the charges that were made against them, before taking them into custody and allowing their names to be put out there in to the public domain.....

William Roache - Innocent
Dave Lee Travers - Innocent
Michael Le Vell - Innocent

"Ooh, missus, but there's NO smoke without FIRE, is there, so they MUST be guilty really, after all, they're MEN!"


And, one last thing, the mother and daughter over in Oz, who allege to have both been abused by him? Well, you'll find out there that the mother has a cartoon Rolf drew for them, hanging up in her daughter's bedroom...

I rest my case, M'Lud and I'm so feckingly, fuckingly angry that I wasn't on that jury....

Oh..and if anyone else wants to write to the Crown Prosecution Service, to ask them what the fuck they're playing at, you can do so here..:[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM

criminous.....!
I bet you're good at scrabble!
nine letters...that sort of thing wins countdown!

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 08:11 AM

Your comment, Andrez, is foolish. Harris was convicted and sentenced not for what he thought, but for what he did. His compliments to young women were neither criminous, nor, in any real sense, evidential, in relation to the crimes with which he was accused. But, hey, the newspapers squeal inaccuracies and I suppose you are taken in by them.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Andrez
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 07:39 AM

My 5 cents worth re the comment above Muskets: just ignore it, its just not worth responding to and just reflect on what it tells you about the author in the context of the theme of this thread. Nuff said?

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 05:25 AM

Here you go Dick.

Cyril Smith covering for his mates

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:56 AM

People are confusing being attracted to young women with inappropriate touching of them.

Of course men are attracted to young women (attraction to women below the age of puberty is not so usual - and technically it is only attraction to people below the age of puberty that is paedophilia. That is precisely why there are laws about acting on such attraction.

To disgress, slightly, I have heard it argued that the biological function of the hymen in prehistoric times was to prevent old men (who apparently could not get a sufficiently rigid erection) from having sexual intercourse with young women while the hunters were away from camp hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 04:12 AM

It occurs to me that, in order to be a successful 'light entertainment celeb', a performer needs to stand out from the crowd. He/she needs to be zany, eccentric and 'larger-than-life'. To children and undiscerning adults (the entertainers target audience, I suppose) this zaniness is amusing - but to a dour, critical adult, such as myself, it can be downright 'throw-stuff-at-the-telly-reach-for-the-off-switch' IRRITATING!! Now it is emerging that many of these people were peculiar (in a much darker way) in real-life as well - perhaps we shouldn't be surprised?

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 03:51 AM

musket , do you have a link to cyril smiths letter , Iwould like to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 03:50 AM

The predatory nature of peadophiles is rather like the worst aspects of capitalism. capitalism has not always been predatory , there are plenty of examples in the past of paternalistic capitalism,where particularly quakers[ rowntree cadbury colmans terrys]looked after the workforce well, but now we have moved into a multi national capitalism,where cheap third world labour is exploited and environmental aspects are abused.
people must treat others with respect, whether it is sexual or non sexual, abusing others whether it is children or adults is morally wrong, it is in my opinion wrong when the most vulnerable in society are abused.
this needs to be exposed right to the very top in society, however the more powerful get protected, would it be allowed to come out in the news if a member of the royal family or an ex prime minister had indulged in morally wrong behaviour or paedophilia?.
if you look at what David Icke says in an allegorical way, there is much truth when he describes the predatory nature of some members of society.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 03:25 AM

Here is an article from Australian online news provider a href="https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/02/and-we-just-thought-rolf-was-racist-old-prck">New Matilda on the apalling Rolf.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 02:03 AM

At the time of many of the offences, including the alleged ones the police speak of now, society did have a different attitude and he and others were able to exploit it.

Everybody is debating the parody lyrics above, but I recall The Grumbleweeds performing a parody of Two Little Boys, the theme being rather obvious and included a priest, and were performing this on the telly in a variety performance with a live audience laughing away.

No question that what he did was as wrong them as now, but not surprising that he could get away with it. The letter to The BBC by Cyril Smith in the '70s revealed this week shows how such things could be covered up by influence.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 11:44 PM

As an Australian I'd like to comment. Rolf Harris has always been someone we cringed about here - essentially a vaudeville artist portraying/ creating the worst type of stereotype and popularising it as Australian.

Yes, whether its in the entertainment industry or any other organisation, there are calculating paedophiles who use their profile and charisma to abuse the vulnerable.

with respect to everyone in this conversation, it's his light-hearted, corny approach that helped him get away with it for years, and while its easy to slip into bad jokes and funny tunes, remember, that's how he got there.

I feel very sorry for all his victims, and I'm glad that he's been made accountable.


freda

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 09:49 PM

you don't really know how nigel would have performed - and re-written a first draft. you don't know how he would have presented the song.

if it works - it works

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 07:19 PM

The whole thing is very sad and what is worse is that we were all hoodwinked over the years. Not only is it horrific the abuses that stars like Rolf Harris got away with it is a feeling of being completely let down and misled by the people that we've welcomed into our homes and put on a pedestal. It does start to make you wonder about other celebrities and view them with suspicion it's got to the point that whoever pops up doesn't surprise me any more. What bothers me most are the people who have covered up for these people in the past including the police force who turned a blind eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:18 PM

I have no idea if he's guilty, and none of us really do as we weren't in the court, but people often don't base their opinions on facts. One reason pedophiles can get away with their abuse for most of a lifetime is that people don't want to believe the "nice guy" could do such things. I knew a guy who was convicted of pedophilia, and I still have a hard time believing he could have done it, but like I said, I wasn't in the court. What I believe doesn't matter to anyone but me.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:13 PM

"you feel sorry for him"

I don't feel sorry for him. He is a liar and a predator, even if what he did didn't extend to the kind of abuse carried out by Saville. Some interesting things about the evidence:

The case came to trial because so many women came forward completely independently, from different parts of the world, who did not know each other, with such strikingly similar stories of what he did.

He claimed never to have visited some of the places where abuse is supposed to have happened, or to have visited them much later. That is, until proof was supplied (in one case by a video sent in by a member of the public) that proved he'd been in Cambridge at the time the victim claimed, and which he previously denied. He is deceitful.

Unlike some of the other celebrity accused, hardly any showbiz friends stepped forward as character witnesses for Rolf Harris - strange for someone allegedly so popular.

He had the nickname "The Octopus". So clearly people in showbiz circles knew his reputation long before it came to light.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:08 PM

This is the thing, Dave. It's easy for me (and others) to comment and pontificate, but if these dreadful offences happened to one of our own children or family, our reaction would be explosively angry and, yes, vengeful I imagine. In prison there are, perhaps fortunately, safety measures in place to protect sex-offenders and the like from attack by other categories of inmate. I'm still trying to get my head round the weird event of his performing 'Jake the Peg' in front of the jury. Was he trying to present himself as the much-loved and amusing entertainer we all knew, as a smoke-screen for the abuser he really was in secret?
Absolutely strange, and tragic somehow.

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:05 PM

Very odd - one thing I read today was that he had made an information film for use with children about being able to say no to inappropriate touching.
Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Rolf Harris Found Guilty of 12 Offences
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:59 PM

People need protecting and abusers need treating. This can and often does occur during periods of incarceration. Sadly, not always though. There is also a question of redress and/or vengeance. I am undecided on that but I am sure if anything ever happened to me or my loved ones then, being human, I would probably want both.

Just waiting for the cries of how he was framed and how badly treated he has been. It will come and I can hazard a guess as to where from.

Cheers

DtG