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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:42 PM Eliza, don't leave us - I always enjoy your posts sandra |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: PHJim Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:04 PM I started posting here many years ago as GUEST,Jim. It took me a few years and a suggestion from Joe to realise that it might be a good idea to join up. I finally realised that I was not the only one posting as GUEST,Jim, and rather than take credit/blame for the other GUEST,Jim(s), I joined. It never occurred to me that someone was trying to impersonate me. I do feel that guest postings should have the decency to use a constant name for each thread, in order for us to be able to follow their arguments. Eliminating anonymous GUEST postings would not be a big burden on anyone. This thread, for instance, has had at least ten posts from someone or a number of people posting as "GUEST". Are we to assume that these are all from the same person? It's sometimes useful to be able to say, "GUEST, on 08 Jul 14 - 03:21 PM you said, 'Blah, blah...'..." but it's hard to do when you may not be talking (typing) to the right person. GUEST posters, please choose a name and stick with it for the whole thread. If you want to change names for every thread, I have no problem with that, but let's have continuity through each thread. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: bobad Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:22 PM How do we know that it's really Eliza posting that she is leaving and not someone spoofing her? It was a spoof. It has been deleted. --mudelf |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:13 PM The Gaughan forum permits posters to post under pseudonyms but the real name of every poster is always available to all. Guest posts are not allowed. The debate is often robust, often quite bad-tempered, but always under control, mostly of the "self" kind. There is little moderation of the overt kind. Allowing anonymous guest posts on any forum that might even vaguely court controversy, even if it's about the latest Billy Bragg song, is completely and laughably head-in-clouds insane. There are people pontificating here about guests, etc., who might as well be anonymous guests themselves because we can't find out who they are. Actually, you can't find out who almost anyone is if they don't want you to. I regard that as extremely unhealthy. There are people in this current thread who are pretending to be all reasonable and nicey-nicey who, under their cloak of protected anonymity, have, in the past, posted far-right, racist and homophobic bile. I say what I think here and the only thing that reins me in is the fact that I use my real name and make no secret of where I am. I feel certain that I'm one of the forum bad boys who is, among the others, only pusillanimously mentioned behind the hand, never by name. Makes me laugh, does that, the sheer irony of it, considering how open I am myself. Post under your name and let's never see the word "guest" ever again. You're not all spies or murderers or important politicians who'll lose their careers if anyone finds out who you really are. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:18 PM And, to revert to bad-boy type, anyone who uses the word "fora" is a complete twat! :-) |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: maeve Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:20 PM Gentle, laughing Eliza, you are always welcome here. The only reason I myself would love to see you (and other interesting guests)as a member is that I could send you a private note or query from time to time. Maeve |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:57 PM Actually, I do think that real names are a good idea too. And I've thought of another member (in addition to those I have vilified above) whose posts are consistently asinine too. I do not support the suggested rule that one may not criticise a poster. If someone is posting stuff that is idiotic, why not call them an idiot? Duck, quack! (that is not a reference to Geoff the Duck who is always fun). It's only the people posting rubbish who object to being called on it. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Janie Date: 09 Jul 14 - 12:04 AM Nothing is perfect, and human beings in relationship with one another is a messy business. I heartily second Richard Bridge's first post to this thread. Also applaud the healthy debate (thus far) that is taking place. Good posts all, whether I agree or not. Mudcat at its stimulating and insight provoking best. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 12:26 AM "Actually, I do thing that real names are a good idea too." If that's the case, and assuming that Richard Bridge actually is your real name (bearing in mind that most of us, including me, don't know you from Adam), why then do you post under a pseudonym on the Mudcat FB page? Isn't that some kind of double-standard? I'm of the belief that everyone has the basic right to protect their identity, for all sorts of reasons. If someone is comfortable using their real name on a forum such as this one, no problem, they can do it but, if an individual chooses the anonymity of a pseudonym (or as close to anonymity as it's possible to get), that's their right. Membership under a pseudonym still provides a constancy of identity. "I do not support the suggested rule that one may not criticise a poster. If someone is posting stuff that is idiotic, why not call them an idiot? Duck, quack! (that is not a reference to Geoff the Duck who is always fun). It's only the people posting rubbish who object to being called on it." Well, the problem with that approach is that, in stooping to insults rather than debating the point with reason and logic, you lose the argument. There are certain individuals whose views I find absolutely repugnant, but who wipe the floor with their regular opponents because those opponents choose to insult the person rather than challenging his arguments. The whole point of debate is surely to persuade an opponent that your views hold greater validity than his, and thus to move his standpoint closer to one's own, or to learn from one's opponent and modify one's own perspective? Calling someone "Idiot" or some other insult won't persuade him of anything other than that the one hurling insults is himself an idiot, and serves to entrench his views, however misguided or repugnant they may be. If you want to "Call" someone on the rubbish they post, you need to challenge the rubbish. An insult is just an insult, a release of testosterone, it's not any real kind of challenge. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jul 14 - 01:13 AM Steve Shaw: fora - much better than forumses, dontchathink? |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Jul 14 - 01:40 AM Rest assured, Richard Bridge is the real person. Whether a real name or a moniker, a person who is registered as a member is no longer a moving target, they are a known individual. At this point if I stopped using a moniker most people wouldn't know my real name. The only people who use that are trolls, and in their mendacious world, they try to turn using someone's personal name into an insult. Who knew? [shakes head] Richard, I agree. Characterizing an argument as flawed or misguided is one thing, but some of the posts that appear go far beyond that, they assassinate character and cause mischief. They are mean-spirited and predatory. Those are the guest posts we need to curtail. Name calling comes from someone whose arguments are otherwise bankrupt. We have no need of that kind of argument. Mudcat management has no reach beyond the Mudcat.org venue. The troll has victimized various mudcat members with fake accounts on lots of social media over the last five years or more. Until he's back in jail, regular users should realize that the spoof guest posts in your name, and some of the unnamed guest posts, are placed exclusively to start or inflame arguments. They are the product of a mind that thrives on discord. It is worth your time to select and consistently use a guest moniker if for some reason you can't join. (And Eliza is fine, today's earlier deleted post supposedly from her was another troll spoof). SRS |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: GUEST,Musket Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:29 AM Mmm... As my name gets mentioned in dispatches, I may as well clear things up. I am posting as guest Musket this morning for, as Backwoodsman correctly identifies, the quid quo pro for having a certain MS Exchange account on my iPhone is not being able to log into accounted websites. (Including on line banking Grr) However, this particular Musket just retired (again, watch this space) and shortly, once the excitement dies down, the account will be deleted and I can log on in Mudcat on the phone. So shortly, if it says guest Musket, it ain't the three musketeers. For now though, only mods checking IP addresses know whether I am me or that other bloke taking the piss right now. Oddly I was agreeing with one false Musket till the final sentence on one particular post on a thread. A bit like those who say they like my posts but why do I have to use words such as nipple, poo and orifice? Steve Shaw got one little bit wrong... Regarding real names. If Akenaton used his real name, it would be easier to ask the police to investigate his incitement to hatred. I have tried as gay people on Mudcat shouldn't be confronted with such wicked lies. Opinions are one thing and Mudcat should support the free speech principle. But coming out with twisted and false information to encourage people to distrust a section of society? It's quite rightly a criminal offence where he lives. Just thought I'd mention that. This being about moderation. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:06 AM Richard, what is it that you so hate about me? You can be really vile to me at times. I don't do the same to you. I don't complain to the mods, ask them. Nor would I ever seek to do so. Even when people write vile things about me I don't ask for those posts to be removed. This all started because I used to champion the music of Show of Hands, a band you all loathed...and for THAT, I have been followed around and quite frankly, been verbally abused for years. What is wrong with you? I never tell any of you how to write, what to write about, how much or how little to write, how often, etc...but all you seek to do, is control me, over and over and over...whilst I have never sought to do the same to any of you. At times I DISAGREE with you, yes. But surely, that's my right, is it not? How many of you use the 'guest' button to insult me, cowardly hiding behind it? I'd expose every single one of you, if this were my site, shaming you into being seen as the bullies so many of you are. I know that many in here are teachers...maybe you're the kind of teachers who can't let go of always demanding your students obey you in every way. Maybe some of you have Aspergers, so you can never see anyone else's view but your own, having to control everything about folk music, about this board, for your own ends, wanting no-one on here who disagrees with you in any way, or writes in a way which almost physically seems to upset you. I am VERY emotional, Richard. You are not. You cannot cope with emotions, it seems to me. You have been insulting me for years and years, as have many others. Why? I happen to believe that Rolf Harris has been set up and the more I find out, the more I believe that. It is horrendous what has happened to him..but what is also horrendous is the way the British people have become so stupid, so ready to turn into a Baying Mob, calling for him to spend the rest of his life in prison.... I've tried my damndest to open the eyes of some on here, but no, all you want is to believe the worst about him that is possible to believe. Today, hopefully, I will finally get to talk to one of the Operation Yewtree officers, as I was told last night they'd phone me back. I doubt they will though, but I can live in hope. You can't even email these guys. You have to go through to the Met Police, then dictate your message to them, word by word, to one of the call handlers, who then email Operation Yewtree... Last night I put the post explaining what I'd found yesterday, on here. Today, it has been removed. I have no idea why. I also have no idea, Maggi, why you have such a downer on me. But you do. Yes, I DARE to have opinions. Yes, I DARE to write in the BS section. Yes, I DARE to have DIFFERENT opinions to many in here, but that is my right, surely? Tell them, Maggi, tell them that whilst they're busy complaining to you and other mods about me, doing their damndest to get you to ban me from 'their' site, that I NEVER complain to you about them. I think that only once have I done so, years back, to Joe, about a particularly venomous woman. (No, it was not Diane) Oh..and Richard, in relation to me saying what I did about Diane the other day, how one of the rare compliments she ever gave me was about my ability to search out interesting and unusual links, she DID say that, on the BBC board, years back. Diane and I had a grudging respect for each other, understood one another far better than any of you knew about. You all think you know everything about everything and sometimes, I come along to remind you that actually, you don't. This place is now the venue for bullies and control freaks, little else...and it's no wonder that so many of the best posters in here have left, driven out by constant allowance of 'guest bullies' I'll leave you all to your narrow-minded, vitriolic, bullying little world now..... And yes, Eliza, it hurts doesn't it, when they do it to you. That person used my name too. What you don't realize, Eliza, is that they've been doing this to me, in many different ways, for YEARS and YEARS...and THAT is why I have tried so hard to stand up to them...They took me to a very place emotionally, years ago. They've driven me away from the music I once loved, which once I used to write so much about, loving it with a passion... Not now though, for these folks have poisoned it.....The English folk world, in particular, has a Foul Group of Folks inside it...personally, I blame Ewan MacColl, who attracted like-minded bullies into the folk world, serious, humorless people with no empathy at all, and who have to control, at all times...... I'll leave you to do just that, Richard, and all the others.... Here, have BACK your nasty, narrow-minded, unpleasant and vitriolic little world..... I'm done with it.... and mods, I will never again post as 'guest Lizzie Cornish 1' so please ensure that anyone who uses my name is zapped immediately. This place has come to stink and I'm not surprised Bruce left..... |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:17 AM For those who don't belong to the inner-circle of Cognoscenti, will someone please tell us - WTF is 'Bruce'? |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Musket Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:38 AM I dunno. (Cookied, did you notice?) She just said "you all" which presumably means err.. us all? Apparently I loathe Show of Hands now? I must mention this the next time I speak with Phil Beer, I'd hate him to think he has been a mate since Arizona Smoke Review days.... She also blames Ewan McColl. That's buggered it. Jim will weigh in now. Have you noticed that those who shout Bully! use lots of capital letters in their posts? A psychiatrist friend once mentioned that to me. He also pointed out to beware of people who wear tinted glasses indoors..... Shepherds tend to get to know a bit about sheep. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:42 AM Mmmmm, nice cookie! :-) |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: akenaton Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:50 AM I never knowingly post untruths. I never curse or use personal insults. I never knowingly cut and paste from "right wing" web sites. I make sure that all the data I post can be verified, if I am posting an opinion I make it clear that it is an opinion. Ian on the other hand, is guilty of misrepresentation, downright lies and disgusting personal abuse, not only to me but to anyone who dare to contradict his egalitarian dream. My views on the promotion of homosexuality are controversial on this forum, so I suppose most of the membership quite enjoy the personal abuse being directed in my direction. People like Teribus and Keith, although I oppose them politically, make excellent points in debate and only fools would wish to see them banned, or call them "thick c***s"...the use of "c**t" as a term of abuse should tell thinking people the measure of the man who does it and how "strongly" he holds views of gender equality.....he is a fake ladies. Finally, the points I make concerning male homosexual health rates and other matters are not "hate speech" and are backed by Health agencies like CDC and PHE. If these points were actionable in law, Ian would have made damned sure that I would have been charged with some offense by now. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:50 AM There are certain individuals whose views I find absolutely repugnant, but who wipe the floor with their regular opponents because those opponents choose to insult the person rather than challenging his arguments. Do you really believe that, Backwoodsman? Because someone says please and thank you they are better people? Sorry, but I just cannot understand that. What about content? If a repugnant view is packaged in flowery language is it any less repugnant? I think not. You seem to be suggesting that as long as the argument stays within within what is deemed to be acceptable behaviour, it is an acceptable argument. Is that right? I don't often use bad language or insults but sometimes I feel it is the only response. Sometimes I get frustrated and just use it in anger. Wrong, I know, but even if my moniker says otherwise, I am only human. Anyhow, I believe that it is a far better person that opposes bigotry, in whatever language, than one who is a bigot but polite. And Lizzie, this thread is not about you or Rolf Harris. Try opening your own thread. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:53 AM ...nor is it about you ake. Likewise, start your own thread. D. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Musket Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:59 AM "Controversial" doesn't exist alongside homophobic, criminal, disgusting, bigoted, ignorant or disgraceful in Roget's thesaurus. Yes, I have reported you. My good friend Seaham Cemetry gave me your full details and I passed them on via my ISP. Look on the bright side, you aren't dangerous, nobody on Mudcat has ever supported your odious hatred and you haven't exhibited any understanding of the information you use to persuade people to judge others. I doubt the police are interested in insignificant small people, what with resources and all that. Still, I have reported you twice and Mudcat once to date. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: akenaton Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:08 AM Dave....if I am named (twice) in a thread, I have a perfect right to defend myself. You are also quite wrong to assume that your definition of "bigotry" Is the correct one. Who do you think you are? There is no rule against posting on controversial subjects. Backwoodsman is correct, as long as members tell the truth and avoid personal abuse, all subjects should be open for discussion. The moderation is pretty good here, with the exception of allowing the use of the word "c**t" as a term of abuse. Which is of course a denigration of women. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Doug Chadwick Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:19 AM How do we know that it's really Eliza posting that she is leaving and not someone spoofing her? It was a spoof. It has been deleted. --mudelf ------- (And Eliza is fine, today's earlier deleted post supposedly from her was another troll spoof). ------- The last post still standing from GUEST,Eliza (at 08 Jul 14 - 05:45 PM) was saying goodbye. That doesn't sound fine to me. DC |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:22 AM DtG - there you go, the favourite Mudcat pastime of challenging something that wasn't actually said (or rather, interpreting what was said in such a way as to suit your own purpose). It's nothing to do with using flowery language, repugnant opinions are just that -repugnant. But put yourself in the position of someone undecided, with no axe to grind, reading a thread - if one party puts their arguments in a civilised manner, no insults, no shrill screams, just points made as they view them, and the other party relies on "thick cunt" or shrill screams of "bigot" or "homophobe", which of the protagonists is likely to have the most influence on that reader? Insults are not debate. I completely agree that bigotry needs to be challenged but, if you tell a bigot he's a "thick cunt", do you really, honestly believe that he will be influenced by that to change his bigoted views? I'd suggest that solid logic and reason would have far more effect than insults. I don't post a lot, but I read a great deal, and I'm conscious that I modify my own position on various subjects on the basis of the influence of well-reasoned and well-presented arguments of others. However, when the "thick cunt" stuff starts, I just switch off, and I'd like to bet that's the case with many others too. Anyhoo, I don't propose to allow myself become the next "thick cunt", I've stated my case, now I'm out. Insult away - I won't be listening. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Doug Chadwick Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:22 AM OK, ignore my last post. Good to see you're still here Eliza. DC |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Tattie Bogle Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:28 AM I would not have a problem with having to log in with user name and password before posting, if it would reduce the problem of fake and multiple identities. This is the norm on just about every other forum I visit (as well as, of course, banking, email, etc.) Usually you can read other posts but not post yourself without logging in. As it is, I often get logged out, either when the site is down for maintenance, or when my security software does a clean-up. This results in my next post here going up as a Guest post unless I notice that my Personal page and traced posts have disappeared. On other sites I use my own name, as that is the preferred option. I only use a pseudonym as it was suggested that that was what Mudcatters do, at the time I joined some 14 or so years ago. Trish |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:43 AM Backwoodsman: if you tell a bigot he's a "thick cunt", do you really, honestly believe that he will be influenced by that to change his bigoted views? I'd suggest that solid logic and reason would have far more effect than insults. I don't believe that a bigot will be influenced by solid logic and reason anyway. Bigotry is illogical and cannot be reasoned with. As to your assertion that I am 'interpreting what was said in such a way as to suit your own purpose'; how do you know what my purpose is? Ake: You are also quite wrong to assume that your definition of "bigotry" Is the correct one. Who do you think you are? I have not attempted to define bigotry. Why do you think my definition is incorrect? And I know who I am thank you. No real need to think about it. And I have changed my mind. Please feel free to stay on this thread. If it keeps all the crap in one place it is doing a good job :-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:57 AM Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Censorship in Rolf Harris thread From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1 - PM Date: 04 Jul 14 - 02:08 PM ...I no longer want to be a full time member of Mudcat... Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Lizzie Cornish 1 - PM Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:06 AM ...I'm done with it.... and mods, I will never again post as 'guest Lizzie Cornish 1' ... No wonder I get confused. If someone no longer wants to be a member and will never post as a guest, how do the posts get here? :D tG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:00 AM I'm confused too! Is Eliza still here or not? If the "Guest Eliza" post at 08 Jul 14 - 05:45 PM was a spoof and is supposedly deleted, why can I still see it? Eliza, if you're still with us, YAYYYY. If not: I really hate to see you go, and can't understand why you think you're not welcome as a guest (if that undeleted 5:45 message is genuine). As Backwoodsman pointed out, his comment was referring to those non-members who troll - which certainly isn't you. But there are a lot of them about, and it's hard to know what to do. (Then there are the members who troll…) I hope you will reconsider your decision and stay around. Do you have an iPad or Android tablet you could perhaps use for online things requiring cookies? Those generally don't contain such sensitive info (or wouldn't have to, if you've got a laptop) and I think they're less vulnerable to malware (no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong). Then your identity would be safe from impersonators. We've lost so many good members over the past couple of years, many from circumstances not of their choosing, that I hate to see another one leave over an issue that has a fairly simple fix. (IF that's the reason - if not, my apologies.) I know what you mean about the unpleasantness (and feel the same way) but this is still one of the best forums out there for extended discussion and exchange of info, which you can actually access even years later. In the age of the severely-restricted tweet, the ephemeral Facebook comment, and disappearing snapchat, it's all the more to be valued. Please give it another chance - |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:03 AM Backwoodsman, you have in the past posted offensive prejudiced material, if I correctly recall. I cannot immediately bring to mind exactly what your view concerned. I accordingly class you as one of those who would better this place by leaving. MLC - once upon a time I thought and said that some were unnecessarily beastly to you. Your irrational illiterate and verbose rantings soon cured me of that weakness. For the sake of accuracy I will say that I don't dislike Show of Hands. But the way you wet your knickers over them was toe-curlingly embarrassing - to the extent that one of them had to come here to ask you to stop. Names - remember the fun we had with a thing that is not a political party and is now bankrupt? There used to be a facebook setting so that one could not search for you by name. I used it in that connection. Then facebook removed that setting. So I changed my facebook name so that those neanderthals (I know, the real neanderthals were better than that) could not look me up by name. Eliza - I have long wondered if you are in fact real. Did you meet any nice people at the recent Sheringham Potty festival with whom I might check? I know quite a number who went to it. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:07 AM You are one of the people who has consistently attacked me over years, Dave (the gnome), to the point where you were actually forbidden to even mention my name at one point. So yes, I've left, then come back when I was not feeling so down about this place... Again, WHY do you do this??????? WHY do you and Richard, and others, consistently do this? And the fact I type capitals (which I use on my OWN facebook page) means nothing, other than trying to get some emphasis and intonation into a Silent World Of Words...nothing more, nothing less. The fact, Dave, that you also copy my posts, to use them against me at a later date is more than somewhat disturbing. 'folkiedave' used to do this too. He rarely posts here now, other than if I turn up in a thread, it seems, when he appears as if out of the blue.... This forum should be fixed so that no-one can post unless they are a registered member, traceable via email and whatever other techy things are needed to trace a person. No duplicate names should ever be allowed to come up on here, being used by sick individuals who only want to cause hurt and upset to others, whilst sniggering behind the Cloak Of Do JUST As You Want, which Max provides in having this 'guest' button in the first place. It has spoiled this site for many years now, many..and it merely encourages the kinds of people who use the internet for these very purposes to come here to this site too. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Leadfingers Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM This is something I have said before , and will no doubt have cause to say again before too long In MY opinion , Mudcat is a Community , like ALL communities has a wide variety of different characters . Sadly , some of these characters are a tad dubious , and as the Community grows ,the dubious characters become more numerous , and , even more sadly , they seem to make more noise than the less dubious characters . |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:38 AM You are one of the people who has consistently attacked me over years, Dave (the gnome), to the point where you were actually forbidden to even mention my name at one point. Not true. I was asked not to post replies to your posts in the hope that it may help cut down your barrage. Feel free to provide evidence if you think I am wrong. Otherwise it is just the say so of an unreliable witness :-) Unlike you, I have never been banned from any internet forum. The fact, Dave, that you also copy my posts, to use them against me at a later date is more than somewhat disturbing. I don't. I just have an attention span slightly better than a goldfish and can remember things that most people said a few days ago. I am also quite capable of finding them again without keeping a copy anywhere. You, or anyone else, are more than welcome to search my computers for anything I have copied. I can quite assure you that none of it includes your inane ramblings. Anyhow, I will take the advice that I received before. I will try my best not to encourage you but, as I said earlier, I am only human. DtG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:50 AM MLC - your inane, childish and grammar-free ramblings are what I object to. Your glorification of self-centred refusals to learn are what I object to. Your childish crazes are what I object to. If you feel that you absolutely must propagandise, for goodness sake learn to write. MtheGM may be an objectionable prig, but at least his use of English is largely impeccable. At present your outpourings are much like those of an undisciplined child intruding into (occasionally) adult conversation. Mither - I am sorry to say this but again I agree with you. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:55 AM . . . and it's off the rails again. Go to sleep for a few hours and the UK crew goes nuts. Lizzie, sometimes the first time you post, I agree with you. Ocasionally we agree about political things. I also think Peltier was set up. But it sounds like they got Harris dead to rughts and by the dozenth or so post you lost anyone who thought your anguish had to do with a court case. And you have an amazing capacity to dredge up old wounds but rarely recall favors and olive branches. In other business glanced at via my small phone screen, so far it is Musket. All of the rest can wait till morning. I'm going back to bed. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:00 AM Oh, thank you, Richard. You had left mention of me out of your previous scattergun animadversions on this thread, and I was beginning to think you didn't ♥ me after all! Phew, what a relief. Yours, objectionably, priggishly and largely impeccably, ~Michael~ |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:04 AM If Mudcat insists on membership, it will lose many posters, but the average level of manners and brains will not necessarily increase. This has been observed many times. Posters who, however vaguely, consider taking part in a discussion evolving from their message, need a moniker, preferably protected against spoofing. Such a protection, while preserving anonymity, is fairly easily implemented technically:
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:09 AM Forgot one point: 20. There will be a little checkbox "I am a new poster". If it is not checked, but the moniker is not known either, a typo in the moniker will be assumed, and the poster is given the opportunity to correct it. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:45 AM BTW - Is Guest, Ed, the opening poster, really Guest, Ed, or an imposter It's getting like an Agatha Christie whodunit here! DtG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM PS. I should say however Eliza that you seem to have improved over the years. When you first came here you were very ready (far too ready in my view) to condemn young women who assumed the same liberties as young men. I have not seen you do that recently. I also felt an air of unreality about the way you revealed your husband (and the fact that you did not I think have a language in common when you met) - I seem to remember it was in a discussion of racism (or maybe it was homosexuality), and you I think sought support from your husband's nationality. My thought at the time was that it seemed a bit too convenient. M the GM - you should try to find a more accurate adjective than "scattergun". My condemnations benefited from precise and disclosed aim. Grishka: Although the 'cat seems to be running well right now (thank you Max) she has been a bad tempered lady in the past when her internals were fiddled with. Your solution might well be harder to implement than you think. If it does work, why not seek a real name - no penalty at that stage but quasi-member ship lost if found to be false. Indeed why not start a real name policy for all new members and seek to get existing members to rename in real names? |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:25 AM Richard: You are not altogether a bad old stick, at that -- even if something of a poor old stuck-in-the-1960s leftie self-abuser. But, dash my old boots, can you ever be bloody patronising! We will charitably put it down to that weary old bromide of a get·out, "an unfortunate manner", shall we? But be so good as to bear in mind that you have absolutely no warrant even to think about patronising ME. NONE ABOUT ANYTHING EVER Geddit? ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Musket Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:34 AM If anybody did patroniseMichael, how would he tell? |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 09:04 AM Richard - By starting your last post "PS" does that indicate it follows from another one? If so, something seems to have gone missing :-( Or is it just my brain cell that has gone AWOL? DtG The post by a fake Eliza was deleted, and so was Richard's reply. The last post by the usual GUEST,Eliza was 08 Jul 14 @05:45 PM. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: The Sandman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 09:39 AM i disagree, i think some threads should have been closed before, I think the mods are doing a good job |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 09:48 AM Ah - OK, thanks mudelf. How do you keep up with it all! What are you disagreeing with, Dick? I think the mods are doing a good job too but just saying 'I disagree' in amongst this lot does not really let us know anything! Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Jul 14 - 09:55 AM Ah - I seem to remember that my deleted post was not wholly about Eliza, but I am open to being corrected. A thought, however. If the real Guest Eliza (supposing, etc) did post from a different place eg on a relative's computer whilst visiting, the IP address would show up as different and so she would be thought an impostor. Unless the test is a certain band of IP addresses... on which Eliza would be unlikely to be. M the GM - you are normally fastidious about language. Many posters I would not have bothered to pick up on the misuse of "scattergun". But my do those capital letter seem to be catching? Excessive propinquity to fwuffy ickle squiggles, I fear. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: The Sandman Date: 09 Jul 14 - 10:12 AM the rolf harris thread should have been closed, that is my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jul 14 - 10:26 AM Ok - Thanks Dick. D. |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jul 14 - 10:26 AM "SCATTERGUN adj: referring to a way of doing or dealing with something by considering many different possibilities, people, etc. in a way that is not well organized" - online Oxford Dictionary. Seems to me a perfectly acceptable term for your somewhat random accusations and denunciations throughout this [& other] threads, Richard. YMMV; but my "normal linguistic fastidiousness" is perfectly well satisfied with my use of the term within this context. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: GUEST Date: 09 Jul 14 - 10:35 AM "GUEST posters, please choose a name and stick with it for the whole thread. If you want to change names for every thread, I have no problem with that, but let's have continuity through each thread." Absolutely agree with you PHJim. It's one of my personal rules of conduct; though for reasons mainly of tiredness and/or lazyness, it's a rule I'm often guilty of failing to adhere to. However, in this case, I didn't expect the thread to survive for more than a few minutes before being summarily deleted. But, considering how the OP started this thread to berate over officious modding, just sticking to "GUEST" as a constant name for this particular thread serves my purpose, no matter how problematic, perverse of daft that purpose may be..??? |
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Subject: RE: This is really poor From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD Date: 09 Jul 14 - 10:47 AM 2nd thoughts.. I might stick this thread out to the end. So in honour of one of my favourite "C" words which has already made several appearances here today, and my Geo location so that mods can verify I am 'me'. For the remainder of this thread I shall be known as "CL!NT WESTWOOD".. .. alright with you mods..??? |
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