BS: low fat diet

Subject: BS: low fat diet
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 12:46 PM

I there

my wife has just been diagnosed with gallstones.

my mind is a blank. has anyone some practical suggestions for food that will not upset her tum - low fat. fish obviously. chicken - but how to make it into a meal that tempts.

thanks in advance!

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 12:50 PM

Get the Mayo Clinic Diet. many enticing recipes.
Under $15 through your book store or Amazon, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 01:03 PM

Al, PM me your address, I have a hand-out I was given when I was diagnosed with gall-bladder and pancreas issue. I'll get Ms. BWM to photocopy it for you and post it out to you.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 01:05 PM

Second thoughts, PM me you ee-mail address and I'm scan it and e-mail it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 02:39 PM

Al, check out the National Health website http://www.nhs.uk/. It's also worth having a look at myfitnesspal and active.com.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 07:13 PM

If you like salads- some with fish, some hearty- try those at Mayo Clinic.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/recipes/salad-recipes/rcs-20077224

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 09:57 PM

I wouldn't advise doing it the way I did: being diagnosed with a twisted gut and when they had me open, discovering that my gallbladder was asymptomatic but gangrenous and needed to come out asap. One could say, two surgeries for the price of one but that's not how it worked out- they charged for both.

That said, I am extremely grateful.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 03:49 AM

No charge here Ebbie, we have the National Health Service!

In the past nine years I've had at least ten hospital-stays (the last one earlier this year lasted a month), two major open-surgeries for gall-bladder/pancreas/bile-duct issues, five endoscopies, numerous ultrasound/CT/MRI scans, drugs,, yadda-yadda-yadda. Cost billed? Zero, zilch, nada, nothing - all covered by the National Health Service.

Despite the criticism frequently hurled at the service (mainly for failures and shortcomings not of its own making, but resulting from the decisions of politicians), it's a fantastic organisation providing care and treatment, free at point of delivery, which comes through for the patient when they need it most.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Rumncoke
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 07:01 AM

When I was eating a low fat diet I used to have episodes of pain about as bad as giving birth diagnosed as a gallstone making an exit.

With some trepidation I started doing low carb Atkins - sure enough, three hours of agony and then - nothing - not for over a decade.

Treating gall stones which can't get out - you have to do low fat or risk permanent blocking of the bile duct, but to not have them - eat the fat normally associated with the foods instead of skimming it off, leaving it on the plate or trimming before cooking.

When you eat fat the gall bladder empties as part of the process of digestion.

The low fat diet so touted as healthy unfortunately goes against the design of our digestive tracts, we were meant to eat fat.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 09:21 AM

thankyou - all of you - keep it coming. I will make my way through with your help.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 11:30 AM

I did a low fat diet back in the late eighties when it was 'the way.' It's not too hard and over time your taste-buds adapt to the low fat.

Alcohol adds flavour lost by omitting fat, bung red wine in all your stews, casseroles and pasta sauces.

En papillote is a good way to cook and keeps food moist without adding fat put your skinless chicken breasts, or cod fillets in a foil parcel on a bed fresh herbs, add a little white wine or lemon juice or tomato juice, so it will steam, roughly seal and bake in the oven.

Make white sauce with skimmed milk and cornflour, again add plenty of seasoning. This can be used over green veggies and new potatoes instead of butter.

Mashed potatoes, use skimmed milk and plenty of fresh parsley and white pepper.

Make plenty of use of your spice rack, your herb patch and get in good quality bouillon powder (Marigold or Kallo) also as said, always keep a bottle of wine to hand for the kitchen.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 11:33 AM

Quark (fat free soft white cheese) and 'fat free' Greek yoghurt can be used as cream substitutes in creamy savoury sauces, and for puds.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 12:06 PM

What Rumncoke said. Please do some research. There's some evidence that a low fat diet can actually cause gall stones.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 12:58 PM

There are low fat diets that are too severe or ignore body needs.

Dieting should be with the direction of your physician.
Physician-approved diets, such as those developed by the Mayo Clinic, are not entirely fat-free, but maintain a balance.

Also helpful is this very good list from the UK, Basingstoke and North Hampshire. (Attention paid to gallstones)

http://hampshirehospitals.nhs.uk/media/168017/low_fat_diet_gallstones_.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 01:00 PM

Al, I'd ignore amateur wannabe-medics on here, and follow your specialist-consultant's recommendations. He/she will have already had condsiderable training, and done a large amount of research on behalf of his/her patients. Not only that, he/she has detailed knowledge of the precise nature of your wife's condition. If you have any questions or concerns, ask him/her.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 01:15 PM

Cross-posted Q - very sound advice in your post.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 03:09 PM

Investigating this is a good idea, even though I'm sure Al's doctor has read all the results of the most recent studies.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 05:06 PM

I'd certainly not discourage anyone from seeking background information, Jeri, but I would always prefer face-to-face interaction with medical professionals with regard to my personal health issues (which have been considerable, and include gall-bladder, pancreas, biliary-duct and severe liver conditions), and I would always advise others to do likewise.

Don't forget that, in the UK, access to health care at all levels is free to the patient at the point of delivery - hence there is no advantage, financial or otherwise, in seeking advice elsewhere when we can consult medical professionals at no cost.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 05:14 PM

It's free to me, too. I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, though.

Research it, then discuss what you find with your doctor.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 05:20 PM

Yep, can't argue with that, Jeri.
Understanding the other person's point in written discussions like this can sometimes be difficult, especially given our differences in nationality and the way our respective versions of 'English' have developed. I find it increasingly so as the years take their toll and mental processes slow down!

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 10:38 PM

Had mine out, can eat anything again...but good luck! Very painful!

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Aug 14 - 02:00 AM

Me too, open cholecystectomy, not keyhole, due to complications with pancreatitis/pancreatic pseudocyst which had to be cleared out at the same time as the gall-bladder was removed.

Pain control was very good (I was in Queen's Medical Centre, Nottingham, UK), initially intravenously by one of those morphine-administering machines where you press a button and get a shot when it starts to hurt, then later by oral medication.

Takes a bit of getting over, but the results are worth it.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 14 - 05:54 PM

A half liter of vinager a day....Continue one week. Flush for one week with distilled water while eating one Kg Brussels sprouts daily.

Continue for six months...or until you feel relief. The "magic" of this kidney cleansing elixir is the balance between sulferous crudiforms and acidic acid.

consider a donation of 1,000 USD to the Mudcat....most clients pay ten-fold more for a private prescription. ( not covered by NIMH or SS.

Subject: RE: BS: low fat diet
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 14 - 07:14 PM

Mayo Clinic recipe-

STRAWBERRY BANANA MILKSHAKE
6 frozen strawberries, chopped
1 medium banana
1/2 cup soy milk
1 cup fat-free frozen vanilla yogurt
2 fresh strawberries, sliced

Combine first four items in a blender. Garnish with fresh strawberry slices. Serve immediately.

That "Five foods you should never eat" advertisement crap is showing up on mudcat again, so I looked up this recipe at Mayo Clinic.

Look up the Mayo Clinic recipe for whole grain banana bread.