BS: Angus third pounder

Subject: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 01:52 PM

YUM! This must be reported.

A burger with one third of a pound of Angus beef, with red onion, cheese, lettuce and tomato
in a sesame bun.
A glorious meal, satisfying the most jaded of appetites. Add a bit of mustard or tomato ketchup-

The Big M is 5-star.

Nutrition Date-
780 calories, 47 grams of fat. 151.33 grams before cooking.

It may even displace the loco moko in Hawai'i!
(Two scoops rice, covered with brown gravy, hamburger patty and a fried egg or two). Worth a trip to the islands. The dish has even spread to Japan.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 01:59 PM

Add smoky bacon. DOUBLE YUM!

Add now appearing on my mudcat screen.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 02:09 PM

Being McD's, you don't get to add or subtract unless you do it on your own. The 3rd pounder comes in a couple different styles, which I can't remember right now. Yeah, they're good, but much better after you've been lost in the wilderness for a week or two with nothing to eat except buggers and moose poop.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 02:18 PM

780 calories, 47 grams of fat.

Yup - and folks wonder why an inordinate percentage of people are obese...

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 02:34 PM

Who wonders about that?

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:58 PM

The average sedentary male, age 30, needs 2200 calories per day.

2% milk 122 calories per cup.
1 medium raw carrot 25 calories
Pumpkin pie, 1/8 of 9-inch pie, 325 calories
8 oz steak, 310 calories.

Lotsa room for a Mac third pounder!

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:57 PM

You bet, Q - tell that to the Three Hunderd Pounders!

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 06:24 PM

Wow, Greg, are you saying that if one at a lot of those burgers, one might become obese? I'm shocked! Who ever would have guessed? Maybe you could call into this radio show and see if they have any insight.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:18 PM

Well, Jeri - I think you need to take that up with Mr. Q, dontcha? He's the one pushing the high-calorie, High-fat diet.

And it sure wouldn't take "a lot" of 'em. Check out the WamLart parking lot next time you're down there looking for cheap, plastic junk made in China at starvation wages and sold WamLart employees at worse than statrvation wages.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:33 PM

Kill the fat, kill the burger.
Thems the facts, Jack.

Damned near everything in life is a trade off. If I have to give up two prunes, a 1/4 ounce bowl of puffed wheat, skim milk and a deep breath, then so be it. I'll take one for the team. Medium well, svp :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:37 PM

Another great appetizer-

The Okonomiyaki, Hiroshima style.
Look that up on Google. Soon to displace the fish bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:53 PM

That I could have without the bun.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 09:12 PM

BOOM!

I just figured out my BMR (Base Metabolic Rate) is 1483.25
So, assuming I got this with no fries and a diet Coke, and just sat on my ass all day, I could eat 2.12 of them a day and not gain weight. As there are about 3500 calories in a pound of fat, and if I ate three of them a day:
2100 cal - 1483.24 cal =616.76 extra calories per day
So that adds 1 pound every 5.67 days, or 5.29 pounds a month.

Of course, walking to the car and the bathroom burns a few more calories, and one occasionally has to have some ice cream. But there also would be inevitable trips to the store to buy toilet paper, antacids, and larger size clothing at WamLart from employees making statrvation widges who can't afford buying these burgers and so would all be skeletons, unlike the people who shop there.

Except this is all wrong, because the burger (according to McD's) has 760 calories and 39 grams of fat. That's a whole 20 calories fewer than originally mentioned. I'm too tired to recalculate all of the above. The last time I got one of these, maybe a year ago, I remember thinking "Wow, there really IS such a thing as "too much mayonnaise"!

Let's not even talk about the sodium...

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 11:02 PM

The Black Angus folks sure have done a great marketing job, haven't they? (as my beef-raising ranching friends say).

I don't criticize others food intake, lest I be judged. But my weight, blood sugar, HDL, LDL, that other LDL, blood pressure, kidney functions, liver functions and the rest are in good shape*. I may live to finish this post even!

This morning I had two (2) McD's Sausage McMuffins (w/o egg), a medium Dr. Pepper, and hash browns for breakfast. I enjoyed it.


*As of last Monday.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:58 AM

Check out the Ranger Burger.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Musket
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 03:13 AM

If I feel like ingesting those many calories at one sitting, I reckon at least do it with real food.

I have never seen the fascination with McCoronary, serving chicken in buckets or any of the other life shortening "lifestyle" shit. Some of us have evolved sufficiently to eat real food served with knife and fork.

A local public health consultant researched his PhD a few years ago studying Greece, where his mother came from, and the timeline of shortening life expectancy, co morbidity and health inequality with the advent of multinational fast food and how especially younger people saw this as a statement rather than a food choice, and the growing problems over the following thirty years.

Sure, one doesn't kill you. Neither does two. The steak Rossini I had on Friday was possibly worse for you.

But the reliance on what is frankly shit by many people not only causes problems later but is denying discovery of real food, both cheaper to buy and prepare, vastly better tasting and better for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 03:23 AM

hear hear

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Raedwulf
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 09:50 AM

Greg - You'll be delighted to know that that has nothing to do with calories (the biggest lie in so-called nutritional science), and nothing to do with fat either. It's carbs that are the problem. I highly recommend Gary Taubes' "Why We Gat Fat". It may not change your mind about your diet, but it will give you plenty of "food for thought"! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 10:42 AM

Raedwulf, you'll probably be less than delighted to hear that a significant proportion of the scientific community think Taubes' claims are a crock. Just the old, discredited Adkins Diet re-warmed.Click Here

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 11:19 AM

The best diet is a balanced diet. Living on burgers and fries not constitute a balanced diet. Apart from which, McDonalds stuff smells and tastes like shit.

I prefer to follow the advice of the British Diabetes Association, which recommends careful control of intake of fat, carbohydrates and salt, and advises the regular consumption of fruit and vegetables.

There's a reason why their regular publication is called "Balance".

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 11:23 AM

Atkins may be discredited but it's the only diet I tried that ever worked for me. Lost about 70lbs doing Atkins and wasn't hungry and ate voraciously (mostly meat of course -- but being primarily a meat-eater I had no problem with that)...YMMV

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 12:11 PM

1/3 #er with bacon and cheese (2 slices) is 780 too? What kinda bacon and cheese would THAT be?

Vidalia onions just arrived in this neck of the woods for this year, lean ground beef is $2.99/# and Bick's sliced dill pickles are $2.25 a 500 ml jar at Sobeys this wek. GUESS what's gonna happen!... and it ain't got 1990 mg of sodium needer.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 12:12 PM

Indeed it DOES work FOR SOME, guest. As with all diets - they mostly all work for some. The Atkins diet has also darn near killed SOME.

But the theories that Atkins (sorry about typo above)bases his diet on are something else entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 12:58 PM

"But the theories that Atkins (sorry about typo above)bases his diet on are something else entirely."

Errrrmmm, you mean 'based', not 'bases'. He's dead. Died of cardiac arrest, the result of cardiomyopathy, in 2003.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: mg
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:30 PM

I think he died of complications from a fall. Read up on low carb high fat diets..essential for some people.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Raedwulf
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:59 PM

Two questions, Greg. What did we evolve eating? When was agriculture invented? The Pope and the entire Catholic priesthood would respond to an argument that God does not exist with "It's a crock..." Turkeys do NOT vote for Xmas. The balanced diet is a modern promotion. There's no substance, no proof that it is better, or even "good", for us, as far as I am aware.

Incidentally, I did not say what I believe, as regards diet. I just said Taubes will give you food for thought. What I do believe, and have for a very long time, is that calories, as a basis for diet, really are a crock...

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 02:02 PM

Vidalia onions vs. red Maui type onions- decisions, decisions! I like both of them. Very different tastes.

I may make my own Angus burgers in the next few days. I will cut the bacon, reducing the salt. Some chili sauce instead? Cut the cheese slice? Dust with shredded Parmesan instead?

I always tell the Mcd order clerk "No mayonnaise." Here in Canada and U. S. they will leave it out if asked. Don't like commercial dressings.

Salt- The Mayo Clinic recommends a salt intake of 2300 mg a day, or 1500 mg if you are age 51 or older, or if you are Black.
I am age 90 and have never worried about salt. Always ate lots of salted nuts,

The Mcd third pounder has 1990 mg salt, most from the cheese and bacon.

One tablespoon Heinz Ketchup has 190 mg (they also have Ketchup with 25% less salt and less sugar).

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 02:04 PM

Apologies - he had a cardiac arrest in April, 2002, believed to be the result of viral cardiomyopathy. He died a year later following head trauma resulting from a fall.

However he died, my point was in response to Greg F's statement that he 'bases' his diet.......he 'bases' nothing, he's dead. Therefore he 'based' in diet...yadda, yadda, yadda.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Musket
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 02:06 PM

The public health doctor I mentioned above was in a meeting with me where someone asked, not as part of the meeting but over coffee, whether The Atkins Diet helped you lose weight. Yes, he said it does. It may also help you die younger than if you follow a balanced diet with plenty of exercise.

Or as noted elsewhere; eat less, move more.

Diet is big business. Those who benefit from diets are the same as those who benefit from junk food. Shareholders of the companies who make money from them. I would suspect that they don't follow the diets or eat the disgusting shit either...

You never make money by following the habits of those who make you rich.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 02:10 PM

Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 02:35 PM

Soooo... eat 1/4 for brekky, lunch, supper and night snack. You'll lose weight. Eat often, eat light, lose weight and, once a week, PIG OUT! I lost 110# by eating light every one to two hours and tucking into a HUGE "burger" once a week. Tonight's "burger" is way too much macaroni and cheese. Far less healthy that a 1/3 #er. But I look good.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 03:25 PM

Well, Raedwulf, I'm not qualified to pronounce on such matters personally as I'm not a scientist.

But I think that the many scientific folks that say Atkins & Taubes ARE pretty much a crock are so qualfied.

Next thing you'll be promoting this "paleolithic diet" fad hogwash, I suppose?

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Raedwulf
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 04:19 PM

I'm not promoting anything, Greg, except reading & investigating for yourself. You, yourself, wrote that a proportion of the scientific community think... whatever. "Significant" is a wholly subjective word. Proportion... Well, that's only a part of the whole, isn't it? 1%, 99%, they are are both proportions. And when Einstein proposed relativity, he was thoroughly mocked for it, not least because it went against all conventional scientific wisdom. And yet he turned out not only to be right, but also to be wrong...

There are two things I am quite sure of. The first is that calories (and, whilst I am also no scientist, I do know how they're measured) are a poor yardstick for measuring food intake & nutritional value. But they're a simple, convenient, and easily understood marker which most people are not knowledgable enough to know are seriously flawed. Never mind that, as Musket more or less said, there's a huge billions of dollars diet industry out there that has a vested interest in you believing in the calorie & the calories in / calories out paradigm (and also in the balanced diet), despite the fact that there is a considerable body of evidence that suggests it's rather less than watertight.

The second is that agriculture was only invented 12,000-odd years ago. We could not possibly have evolved eating a carb-rich diet because the carb's weren't there. Grains weren't there, starches weren't there, fruit was both seasonal & far less sweet (the crabapple is the ancestor of all modern apples, as far as I am aware, ever bitten into one?). So where did we get all of those carbs from? We don't have a gut that can cope with cellulose, which is why we process & cook. But, of course, we had to evolve far enough to learn HOW to cook first...

I can offer you other reasons why I think there is a powerful argument that the "balanced" diet is so much hokum, but Taubes says it far better than I could. As I said at the outset, his book may not make you want to change your diet, but I do think it's worth reading. He may not be entirely right, but I've yet to see anything other than dogma repeated to refute him (your blicky, by the way, gives me a 404).

I am also reminded of a series that ran some years back on the BBC, called Heretics. I think I used this example a decade or so ago on the 'Cat, too. One programme dealt with a French scientist who was convinced that he'd found a rational scientific basis for homeopathy. One of the "experts" in the series was James Randi, of whom I have no particularly high opinion. The other was the then editor of Nature magazine, one of the most respected scientific journals in the world. His whole attitude boiled down to "It goes against everything I've ever learnt, so it must be wrong".

As it turned out, a couple of years later, it was proved to be wrong. There were fundamental errors in the methodology of the experiments, I believe. But the powerful impression that I was left with at the time was the absolute closed-mindedness of this supposed scientist - "It must be wrong because it goes against everything I know. No, I've got no other explanation, it just has to be wrong." Not a very scientific mind-set, I'm sure you'll agree!

You make your own mind up about things. But maybe it's worth reading a bit more on the subject (whichever subject), before declaring your faith in those that have one vested interest or another in backing the status quo? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 04:47 PM

The sedentary male needs about 1500 calories a day. 2200 is needed by a male in a reasonably active job.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 05:24 PM

(your blicky, by the way, gives me a 404)

Try this, then:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2011/05/16/thin-body-of-evidence-why-i-have-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/

But maybe it's worth reading a bit more on the subject (whichever subject), before declaring your faith in those that have one vested interest or another in backing the status quo? ;-)

And it might avail YOU to read more of those that explain why Taubs is a crock. I'm not about to try to change the mind of a "true believer".

However, science is not about "belief".

Meanwhile, do have fun with the marrow bones, maggots and einkorn.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:00 PM

"Meanwhile, do have fun with the marrow bones, maggots and einkorn."

Got any recipes?

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:10 PM

No, But I'm sure that Raedwulf can supply some -

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 09:25 PM

It's a sad day at Mudcat when a flamewar over burgers breaks out.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: gnu
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 07:34 AM

Yer thinking of Burger King, I think. Don't they flame broil their Whoppers?

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:46 AM

Beauty In The Eye of the beholder

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I'll never love blue eyes again.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:52 AM

AWKWARD. To blue blickyfy ... without an http.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The above came from a Dutch advertising campaign -

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Stu
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:13 AM

McDonalds. yuk. All lips 'n' oles. Or pink slime. Or bleached, reformed chuck.

Our local farm shop does a fine burger, animals raised locally. Yum.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:39 PM

Stu, if you are in UK, I agree, it's difficult to find a good hamburger.
Mcdonalds does a pretty good job in Canada, with good Canadian beef. I do prefer the burgers from a good café of which there are many here.

In UK, better to stick to fish and chips (or a pork pie).

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Stu
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:30 PM

The trouble is that once you've been to the US and tried proper ground beef burgers it's nigh on impossible to even contemplate Maccy D's.

The Field Museum in Chicago has a Maccy D's int he basement and so we wondered down there to see if there was a difference between the US and UK McDonalds buyers. One floppy crap cheeseburger later we knew there wasn't.

Now I do eat Maccy D's occasionally as Mrs Stu likes them, but I think they're awful buyers.

US buddies: why go to Maccy D's when you have such great burgers in other cafes?

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 02:26 PM

Handmade Burger Co's burgers are pretty good - a million times better that McDonalds shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 03:26 PM

In Calgary, Peter's is one of the better ones, but there are many.

A number of restaurants here ofer a "steak sandwich," a piece of good bread with a small steak and drippings, with vegetable, salad, etc., on the side.
Much better than ground meat.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 03:44 PM

"Fresh flame broiled burgers that are never frozen and ....made from 100% whole Canadian Grade A ground..."
(Peters)
Also great milkshakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: gnu
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:44 PM

BTW, if anyone is inclined to try one of the OP burgers, wait until early September when the coupons come out. All of the fast food joints and pizza shops and such will be competing for the university crowd if there is same in your area.

Me? If I was hard up for a burger... say, I got run over by a bus and couldn't cook my own... Wendy's. I am a sucker fer red hair and good burgers. Then again, I have the option of a cheeseburger platter from Deluxe French Fries as I live in the city of it's birth. Once voted best burger in Canada by... ahhh... hang on... was it Maclean's Magazine? No matter. It's less $ than the other guys and you get Deluxe French Fries and coleslaw. Deeeelicious. Haven't had one in years.

When I was lad, me and a buddy would pedal down to the Mountain Road store and buddy would GIVE us each a large chip and we would sit on the brick window sills outside and eat em while waving at the traffic stopped at the traffic lights. Remember Graham Kerr, The Galloping Gourmet? The faces he would make while tasting food on his show? We sold a shitload more fries than he ever did.

Subject: RE: BS: Angus third pounder
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 02:50 PM

Flame war? Not from me. It's Greg that appears to want to start one. Chucking out labels like "true believer", for a start. I'm not, I'm just open-minded.

I've read your article, Greg. There's nothing in there that proves, or even suggests, that Taubes is any sort of crock. The author's favourite word seems to be "misgivings"; that's not proof of anything, especially when the authors own bias is amply suggested in his first few para's. Apparently, being an amateur boxer is "telling" of something; of what, is less clear. Similarly, the author finds Taubes' diet "gross". Perfect scientific detachment?

But the last para of that article is probably the best part, and it only reinforces what I was saying, not what you have been.

So, when Gary divides diets into two basic categories—the Atkins diet, which is good, and all other diets, which are bad—he's oversimplifying and distorting reality. But read his new book with a critical eye, check out my Bloggingheads interview with him and make up your own mind.

That's right - go read stuff, and then make your own mind up. If you prefer to make your own mind up & then only read stuff that reinforces your choice that also is your choice.

P.S. For what it's worth, I don't, in large part, follow Taubes "diet". So much for a "true believer". I do find his arguments interesting, though. As for einkorn, no recipes from me, sorry. I didn't even know what it was till I looked it up & found that it's essentially what I've always referred to as emma, the hairy, sticky grass of my youth, the earliest form of barley / wheat. Learn something new every day, eh? I have, anyway. Thank you.