BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale

Subject: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 09:28 AM

Only in America. The largest retail chain in America { the one from Arkansas } is advertising a 20 percent off sale on all guns for after Christmas. Because Thanksgiving and guns go so well together I guess.
Of course I've known people that were really excited to get a Glock 9mm for Christmas.

That's right up there with my other favorite retail sale. The furniture chain that has advertises for Martin Luther King's birthday saying - "You can afford your dream".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:14 AM

Great! I wasn't aware of the sale so you know where I'll be!!!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:32 AM

Gonna be lots of nervous turkeys walkin' 'round.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 11:47 AM

"... for after Christmas."? I don't understand.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 12:28 PM

I meant to say that it starts the day after Thanksgiving.

It gives a whole new meaning to the term "Black Friday".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM

Well there ya go - utter, total and complete lunacy is alive and well in the good ole USA.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:13 PM

Most of those guns will be sold for hunting - deer, pheasants, rabbits, geese, turkeys, ducks, even doves. America has many square miles of woods and forest, and hunting is big business.

As for the guns bought out of fear: if you saw some of the vicious, brainless random crimes we see here, you might be afraid too. Not that I think a gun will help much, but then I don't get my ideas about life from movies and TV.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: IamNoMan
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:32 PM

Where I live the Monday and Tuesday following Thanksgiving are school holidays. The kids get off to go hunting!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:43 PM

Pick up another ar for me ok rap do you need another ak

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:45 PM

There are more guns than people in the US. WTF do they need more stupid guns for?
I feel sorry for American womankind - there must be a lot of very small dicks over there.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:21 PM

Guns aren't stupid. However some of then people who use them are. Kinda like some people who use the internet.

" there must be a lot of very small dicks over there."

Yes - you will fit in nicely. With some room to spare....

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:17 AM

Right back at ya WC

You may not agree that guns are stupid (like I care), but stupid people are infinitely more dangerous when guns are so readily available.

You 'answered' everything in my post except the only real question it posed - when there are more guns than people in the US, why do they need more guns?

So, Smart-mouth, what's your answer?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:57 AM

I suppose you can use the butt end of guns to bang rocks together...

I notice on another thread about a UK traffic offence and the police sending a summons to the wrong address, some joker said we are screwed because we can't carry guns. Our dear psychopathic friend Goofus posted to agree!

🔫🔫💵💵💉💉👻👻

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:58 AM

More questions for you to contemplate, Wes:-

Which country is it where cops keep shooting black males with no consequences to themselves?

Which country is it where kids regularly shoot large numbers of their school Friends?

Which country is it where guns are sold no-questions-asked at uncontrolled gun-fairs all over the country?

Which country do the Mudcat Madmen come from who squeal and giggle like daft schoolgirls in their near-orgasmic rapture over their personal arsenals (including on this thread)?

Which country is it where gun stores advertise "Your child's first gun", with six or seven year-olds holding blue or pink rifles?

Don't you fuckin' dare to infer that it's us over here who have it wrong. Like Musket says - "Keep banging the rocks together".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:15 AM

While over here, Arsenal are the best of the losers. Arse 'n Al...who's Arse, anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:35 AM

"Which country is it where cops keep shooting black males with no consequences to themselves?"

America

"Which country is it where kids regularly shoot large numbers of their school Friends?"

America

"Which country is it where guns are sold no-questions-asked at uncontrolled gun-fairs all over the country?"

America

"Which country do the Mudcat Madmen come from who squeal and giggle like daft schoolgirls in their near-orgasmic rapture over their personal arsenals (including on this thread)?"

Sorry - Can't answer that question. I'm having a near orgasmic rapture and my hand isn't very steady right now.

"Which country is it where gun stores advertise "Your child's first gun", with six or seven year-olds holding blue or pink rifles?"

Yup - We're on a roll here. America. We have lots of stupid behavior about guns here. Re-read my first post. Our attitudes suck about guns. And many of us here are trying to correct that. Here in my home state of Georgia a cop isn't allowed to ask you if you have a carry permit if he sees you with a gun on your hip. And that - among other things - is just plain stupid.

"Don't you fuckin' dare to infer that it's us over here who have it wrong."

So I won't say you have it wrong. I'll just say it's none of your business. If you want things to change over here - Get a passport - move here and vote to change things like I have. Otherwise just shut up.

And for "when there are more guns than people in the US, why do they need more guns? " You're wrong. We only have 90 guns per 100 residents. But we are number one in the world in the ratio of guns to people. So we don't need any more. Any other questions?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:22 AM

I dispute that "It's none of your business" - the out-of-control proliferation of firearms is everyone's business. But your "It's none of your business" attitude is a very telling statement about the American mindset - insular and isolated - yet you have the temerity to try to tell the rest of the world how they should run their countries?

Well, you know what? Go and play with your stupid guns, blow your own stupid heads off, shoot your kids, let them shoot each other, enjoy your stupid 20% discount gun sales, I don't care, it's none of my business - you told me so.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:33 AM

Dear Lord:

Thank you for allowing me to live in a country where I can buy guns if I can pass the background check. And to have the money to do that.

Of course, Lord, I don't need any more guns. I can't shoot more than two at any one time, and ammo costs so much know that I can't afford that either. Besides, I don't do anything much besides shoot targets these days -- you know, Lord, like the British Olympic shooting teams do.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:33 AM

I woulda thought turkey season was closed by now.

Alas, not ... There's a British Internet turkey bouncing up and down yelling to be shot at right here on this page.

Speaking as a Canadian, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:55 AM

Visualizing gun deaths – Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world


I wouldn't want to reside in a country like that, don't understand why anyone woud

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM

The British Olympic teams do not. They are not allowed to carry guns, prat. They can transport them from locked storage, which is checked annually by the police as per their licence to wherever they shoot, (Bisley etc) and they must be cocked, preferably in their case. At the places they shoot, there are licenced and police checked storage facilities for when they are not in use at the ranges.

Guns for hunting must be clearly on display at all times and cocked when not being prepared for immediate use. Nobody under any circumstances carries hand guns as they are illegal under all circumstances.

The only guns held for protection are by the police and military. (Oh and young kids in gangs who have been watching too many American TV shows glorifying guns.)

A country that puts the right to guns above the right to equitable healthcare for all is somewhat sick.

Keep banging... you know the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 12:28 PM

Backwoodman - You persist in being as dumb as a box of rocks. At no time have I approved in the proliferation of guns that we have in America. I don't shoot children, deer, or police officers. I was bemoaning the fact that a retail outlet linked up Thanksgiving with a 20% off sale on weapons. So slow down and read my posts before you go off "half cocked". Pun intended.

But face it - guns in America are not going away. So we need to promote sane guns laws and make sure that the mentally ill do not have access to them.

While we're at it - where do you live? Can we examine your country's history with firearms? I'm sure it's squeaky clean.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 12:54 PM

Not dumb at all, Wes, but sane and intelligent, and able to see what a crock of shit your firearms laws, and the ludicrous number of guns in free circulation there, really are.

If you were, as you now claim, 'bemoaning' these ridiculous sales, perhaps you need to use proper English so that others can understand exactly what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, on the Internet, irony frequently doesn't work, and your OP seems pretty clear-cut, even after re-reading several times, as somewhat of a joyous celebration.

As you should be well aware, I'm in the UK. Whilst our history certainly isn't 'squeaky-clean', we've moved way beyond that and civilised ourselves to a point where virtually no-one has a gun, and the few that do are rigidly controlled.

It CAN be done. But not while loonies like one or two on this thread are in the driving seat.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM

I read Wesley's opening post as sarcasm.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:21 PM

I didn't. So........??

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:30 PM

Particularly when Wes came right back and attacked my 'stupid guns' comment, with 'guns aren't stupid, people are stupid' - very close to the 'guns don't kill people, people kill people horse-shit put about by the gun-nuts. Anyone would understand from that that Wes is another bullet-head defending the indefensible.

My conscience is clear.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:53 PM

Anybody without a gun can have a clear conscience whilst someone with a gun never can.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:36 PM

"I didn't. So........??"

So you're not very bright. Learn to read between the lines. We agree on more things than we disagree on. Except you have a piss poor attitude.

From England huh? Didn't we bail you out of WW2 because you weren't able to defend yourself against the Germans? I seem to remember they were using guns then. I also remember touring Windsor Castle a few years ago. It's full of guns y'all captured from countries you defeated. With guns. Touring the Tower of London? Protected by guns. Lots of then. So why are you holier than thou?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:50 PM

"I didn't. So........??"

So maybe you read the opening post the wrong way.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 03:54 PM

This thread is about civilian gun-ownership, nothing to do with the situation during WW2 or ancient historical weaponry.

And no, Wes, 'you' didn't bail 'us' out - 'you' stood by and watched for two years, (and, incidentally, made fortunes selling 'us' war materials for the whole 6 years), whilst 'our' people - soldiers, sailors, airmen and civilians, thousands upon thousands of them, died at the hands of a much bigger, stronger enemy, trying to defend ourselves and help our European allies, until Japan attacked one of 'your' distant outposts and forced 'you' to get involved. Even then, 'your' civilian population went virtually unscathed (1,700 killed of a pop. of 300 million plus) whilst 'ours' suffered 67,000 killed out of 50+million, mostly by German bombing of many of our cities and towns which went on night after night for many many months, running into years. So, your comment is completely out of order and shamefully disrespectful to the memory of those from the UK who fought and died in a conflict you can't even begin to imagine. Don't fucking lecture us about WW2 - my parents and thousands like them were fighting and dying while you pricks were tossing-off in the safety of The Land of The Free.

Did you read the third para of my 12:54 PM post, which answered your question about the UK's history, and the civilisation process the UK went through during the 20th century, which process the U.S. has yet to embark on, let alone achieve. Thought not.

And Musket, in his post of 11:24 AM, comprehensively answered your comments regarding guns in the UK, and explained the situation in respect of civilian gun-ownership. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Time I bailed out, otherwise I might start getting nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:07 PM

We stood alone against the Nazis. We saved ourselves, and we all saved Europe dimwit. get over your inferiority complex and face up to the fact you live in a country where the coppers kill kids with toy guns and everyone thinks that's life.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:17 PM

I wanna tow rocket for Xmas it is wire guided takes more skills than that laser stuff

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 06:13 PM

Wesley appears to be a product of a weird education system for that matter.

Even "land of the free" is a sick joke. When you have to coerce people into patriotism with all that flag shit, and the majority of people seem normal yet are prepared to let government be run in the interest of gun and non equitable health care lobby, I don't think civilised countries have much to worry about.

Still killing your prisoners? Or is it just any black child these days? Perhaps some decent people are saying enough is enough looking at the riots.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 06:55 PM

The President pardons a turkey today. Wonder what the poor bugger did?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:20 PM

The fire-arm is easy.

The rounds to fulfill its function have become scarce - at any price.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


For one "survivalist" I know....they purchase a full box of 22, 44, 45, 9mm, and 12 Gage .... once a week from Walmart. That they cannot purchase unlimited rounds, every day, is proof, for them, that they should stockpile more.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:15 PM

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 01:55 AM

Not many facts in that link.

In fact, rather shocking that the authors couldn't find any pro gun statistics of merit. All it does is make the case for redneck stupidity and Dumbfuckistan politics look even more gormless.

Mind you, it isn't mentally challenged gun slingers I shake my head over, it's normal people who shrug their shoulders and say "Yeah, but what can you go about it?" Try democracy for starters? I find it hard to believe the majority of voters are happy for guns to be worn in public or not locked away when not hunting or target sporting.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 03:51 AM

" Musket - 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM

Apparently on gun ownership in the UK.

"They can transport them from locked storage, which is checked annually by the police as per their licence to wherever they shoot, (Bisley etc) and they must be cocked, preferably in their case."

Where on earth did you dig that up from? Bit difficult as in transport the rifle, the bolt and the ammunition must not be stored together so how the f**k can it be stored cocked in their case? Shotguns are normally transported broken down in their case so again cannot be cocked. - Any gun that is cocked or has the bolt closed should be viewed as loaded and dangerous and treated accordingly.

"Guns for hunting must be clearly on display at all times and cocked when not being prepared for immediate use.

If the gun when hunting is not in use then the bolt should be open, chamber empty and the magazine removed then anyone even with a casual glance can determine that the gun can be of no threat as a firearm (Could still be used as a club Musket) - A shotgun if not about to be used, i.e. walking to post, or back to the meeting point, should be broken and preferably unloaded.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:34 AM

When I was a young soldier, back in the dawn of time, weapons were carried with the action forward and the safety latch in the On position. Sort of the opposite of "cocked".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:51 AM

Back when I was a young soldier we just grunted and carried rocks.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 07:43 AM

Ah. Give examples of specific types of bang bangs to make me look foolish

Sadly for you, most people are intelligent enough to realise it was an example.

Still smarting over your assertion that it was a good idea to send men into the path of machine guns in WW1? Or was it when I questioned your support of Israeli terrorism that made you want to try to make me look a cunt on any given thread?

Sorry Terribulus. Get a life, you dozy twat.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:01 AM

Cocked, un-cocked, half-cocked, dismantled, whatever - it matters not a fig whether Musket's description of guns-made-safe was couched in the correct technical terminology, his point still stands true - that there are strict rules for the possession, storage, transport and use of firearms and ammunition in the UK, which are policed and enforced, and the result is that this country is very much safer indeed than the USA seems to be.

That is an indisputable fact.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:54 AM

Hard to believe. Let's recap:

I start a thread to point out the folly of linking a gun sale with a national holiday. Soon I'm being asked to defend the death penalty and shooting down black kids in the street. So let me restate my position in language that some of the thick people here will understand:

Guns R bad
Bullets R bad
Killing people R bad
Shooting people with your gun R bad
Killing prisoners R bad
NRA R very bad.

Is it clear now?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:55 AM

Quite agree Backwoodsman "there are strict rules for the possession, storage, transport and use of firearms and ammunition in the UK" - And Musket (even allowing for his "name" sounding sort of relevant") clearly displays that he hasn't got the foggiest notion of what they are - That woodsie was the only undisputed fact in his post of 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM.

"Cocked, un-cocked, half-cocked, dismantled, whatever - it matters not a fig whether Musket's description of guns-made-safe was couched in the correct technical terminology"

Just in case any are in any doubt about the correct technical terminology:

The firing/trigger mechanism of a gun MUST be "cocked" before it can be fired - so to even suggest that having a "cocked" gun in public view at all times can in any way, shape or form be viewed as being safe is utter lunacy - fair enough woodsie??

To transport a hunting rifle the rifle is in a hard locked case (minimum two locks), the locks are taped for transit so that any attempted interference with the locks is immediately noticeable. The bolt and empty magazines for the rifle are in a separate locked box carried in checked in luggage, any ammunition carried is carried separately in a second checked in case.

At home the rifle minus the bolt is stored in an approved gun safe that is secured to the wall and to the floor. The bolt is stored in a separate locked safe which anyone wishing to steal the gun must first find. The ammunition is stored in a third concealed locked safe.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 09:02 AM

Aww c'mon Musket - what me? Try to make you "look a cunt" - your words Musket - No need Musket you do a good enough job of doing that entirely on your own to need any additional assistance from me.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:30 AM

Gee, Teribus. That's pretty much how I store my guns and ammo and that's how every gunowner I know stores them. When I transport them they are in a secured case and the ammo is kept separate. WHEN I used to hunt I was only allowed in a vehicle if my shotgun was unloaded, broken open, and in a case (my hunting is now confined to lying a lot with other former hunters over coffee). Oh, yeah -- no alcoholic beverages until the guns are unloaded and secured.

Ya know, I thought the Annaheim Foundation (which funds FactCheck) was pretty fact-based because BOTH sides of the political spectrum dislikes it. I guess facts only interfere with our preconceived, television-and-movie-induced, beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:35 AM

Oh Yeah??

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:43 AM

Like I said, you sailed into this thread to bring me down to your level, after looking a right cunt in other pro killing people assertions you make in other threads.

Still, a cunt is far more useful than you Terribulus...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 11:52 AM

I don't know whether or not Backwoodsman was smirking when he made that last link. Did anyone else trace that discussion back to the site's home page? If you want really solid facts, go to a discussion thread on an online dating service. : )

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:12 PM

Perhaps 'cocked" might well mean the opposite of what most people say in some circles but to most British usage, cocked means an opened 12 bore with no cartridge up the spout.

When I did my RAF recruit training, (didn't stay long, the apprenticeship like many military ones wasn't recognised elsewhere and once I saw that, I was down the pit within a couple of months.) The 7.62 SLR rifles we trained with had to be "cocked" in, bolt back, when the rock ape shouted 'show me that the rifle is clear."

Now, you also, in certain colloquial circles, cock a pin back to fire the gun.

This is what Terribulus either got confused with or purposely confused to make him or her look good, at my expense.

Find Keith and go and play with his toy soldiers eh? This thread is about a backward country and lawlessness, not our civilised approach to firearms.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:49 PM

Frogprince, nothing to smirk about when a loony gun-nut tries to 'prove' he's not a loony by linking to a site that, on the face of it, confirms his loony delusions. I merely found another site that said his site is a POS.

Just showing how easy it is for anyone to trawl the Internet and come up with a site that says whatever they want it to. Doesn't mean it's right though.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:53 PM

I also blinked at seeing the word "cocked", then realized that it was simply a different colloquial usage. To me, anyone who couldn't tell that from the context has either a reading comprehension problem or an overpowering compulsion to raise a stink.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 03:54 PM

Sorry, you have to see where others and I have been questioning some of the disturbing militaristic views of Terribulus on other threads to see why he is finding other threads and trying to make me look a cunt, managing the opposite in the process.

To me, normal people don't know the ins and outs of shooting guns any more than we know the ins and outs of any other activity that society shuns.

We just know they shouldn't be worn as jewelry and should never be used for civilian self defence.

There again, civilised country, you see.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:01 PM

Rap mine are always fully loaded all over the house. I am waiting on the zombies to take over. I am ready. I sleep with a fully loaded. 45 cause of that Bigfoot encounter i told ya about. Oh foolish people someday you will thank me

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:13 PM

Presumably the gun powder is soggy now then, if the thaw has started.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:25 PM

Yer ALL wrong. Congratulations! :D It makes us apes and monkeys look so good in comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:39 PM

Thought you were dead, Chongo?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:44 PM

That rumor keeps goin' around, doesn't it? Alls I can say is, I'm feelin' just fine here. I been cleanin' and oilin' the tommy gun all afternoon. Still works great after all these years.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:50 PM

LOL! 😄

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:26 PM

Dang if that Bigfoot gonna bother any dead Monkey with a tommy gun

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:31 PM

Charmion
When I was a young soldier, back in the dawn of time, weapons were carried with the action forward and the safety latch in the On position. Sort of the opposite of "cocked"."
The meaning of "cocked" is true for both senses: in a shotgun, it's broken so it's visibly unloaded, in any other weapon it's got the hammer/firing pin back, and in principle with one up the spout. It can be cocked with safety on, and cocked with safety off.
Your young soldier wasn't fully trained, and clearly never was in a position where you were realistically expecting to need to use your weapon instantly. Teribus, I think, has been, and probably OldDude, and I, once. Your weapons-handling if you're noduff in it is a tad different, and not what's taught in Basic. We'd do that moving up, but after the start line there's another and better way. It's knowing your weapon backwards, so you can do a Queen Anne's Salute because you know in your sleep the exact spot that weapon's going to spin around - and with mine, it was a tad different because I use a long stock. It's a pretty twiddle, but it's not the prettiness which is at question: it's the control, spinning a rifle with a bayonet on the end and never losing control of it even though you're not holdng it. What surprised me is it doesn't leave you: twenty-five years after I last handled one weapon, my boss, a Belgian Colonel, unexpectedly chucked one at me, I caught it at the centre of balance instinctively and continued the movement to clear it, without thinking. For that second, it was me and I was it. Zen and the art of the Combat Rifleman.
The thing about Teribus is that he's becoming an old man and it hurts him, he wants the world as it was and cannot bear the reality that it is as it is, he's in denial. He's now 70 near enough, and those days are a fond memory. I'm ten years younger, and there was a huge change in between, which he can see has caught up and he hates it. It doesn't mean we're more or less patriotic than him, it's that our image of Patria is not so focused on a heirarchy. We see the Nation as a whole, where the politicians are the servants of the electorate and not its masters, however much they might think they are. That's what just happened to Andrew Mitchell and David Mellor, they got it wrong. It's also what's just happened to Ed Miliband, crowing over them without realising that because he's putting himself in a position over them, he's putting himself in a position over their victims. That damned Lord Snooty Primrose Hill sneering accent of his doesn't help, but it's what's beneath the hood people pick up on. Maggie dropped her voice an octave, but it's too late for Ed to do the same: I've just been playing with Audacity on his voice, the Normalised setting reduces the nasal sneer and puts tonal warmth in which isn't there. It's subtle, and what I get at the end is still very recognisable. It irons out some of the high-frequency overtones, but I don't think he can do that himself.
It's why Frank Field is being pushed: he's a mensch, someone who can out-Farrage Farrage. The closest equivalent in the modern Tory Party would be David Davies. Real people who can ask the population to follow them. Technocracy should be its servant, in the Tory Party it's become master. You cannot drive all the time, sometimes you must give, and not when the population can see the bribe. The Labour problem is that all it can do is give, and so we're in a position of not having a coherent ground which shares the pot wisely.
Another viewpoint is that might is authority: this is why the Iron Kitten is the most likely heir to DC. But that kind of power remains subject to a plebiscite, for all that they had an interesting little experiment in fiving the mandate at five years. A plebiscite, it's where Mitchell got it wrong: the plebs are who he works for.

And just as Teribus is from the past, so is the current Parliamentary system: Tory vs Labour. Are we going to be happy with the SNP holding the balance of power? The funny thing in such a scenario is that they must be their own worst enemies, holding power only by denying themselves their deepest wish. A Pyrrhic Victory indeed, worthy only of a Scottish masochist.

Another interesting view on today's news is the Black Friday riots. It would seem that the population is prepared to fight for its entitlements, right or wrong. This could be a very interesting six months.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:19 AM

Hey....on Thanksgiving Day, who do we thank...and for what??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:58 AM

In our school, and bearing in mind a couple of the head Pilgrim Fathers come from nearby villages, we were taught, in so many words;

Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about.

Mind you, when in prison in Boston (Lincolnshire UK) Brewster wrote a letter to someone saying people should have faith in armies to protect them and shun weapons. A copy is on the wall of The Pilgrim Fathers pub in Scrooby.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 03:36 AM

Yep, sure is. Nice pub. Mind you, it's difficult to find a table in there because of all the bloody Yank Pilgrims paying homage to their forefathers and proper beer.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 06:50 AM

On the same circuit, they then come over to Epworth to see the home of The Wesleys and methodism. Did you know, according to my neighbour, (unconfirmed) the tills at The Red Lion have exchange rates updated in them and they will accept Dollars but give change in Sterling.

What with Pilgrim Fathers, methodism & Wesleys and with Bawtry having something to do with pentecostal holy rollers, our neck of the woods is stuffed with religious heritage, yet churches close through lack of interest at such a rate around here.. When we bought our present house, the number of church and chapel conversions was huge, although none took our eye.

See? You can have the bible without the gun after all? Not many over here have the bible either for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 07:39 AM

Waffling again Musket, or is it Muskets:

First you are talking about target or clay pigeon shooters - then onto bolt action hunting rifles - and now you are talking about your vast experience with a semi-automatic assault rifle.

Shotguns of which there are a vast array of makes and models. But we will take three basic ones:

Break Action (Can be side-by-side or over-and-under) to load you must break the gun open, load two cartridges and in closing the gun you automatically make it ready to fire.

Hammer Lock Either single barrel or side-by-side this gun too breaks as for the Break action type but with this gun after loading and snapping the barrels back into the closed position to make the gun ready for firing you have to "cock" the gun by pulling the hammer or hammers back

Pump Action single barrel with a three or five round magazine the gun is loaded by loading the magazine then pulling the slide back (loads the gun) then pushes the slide forwards ("cocks" the gun)

Now ask all three owners of these types of weapon to "cock" their guns and they will do three completely different things. Of the three types of shotgun you can always instantly tell when a Break Action or a Hammer Lock Shotgun are "safe" - Without close examination of a pump action shotgun it is impossible to tell if it is "safe".

Now then Muskets your tale of the 7.62mm SLR and "Your Rock Ape" (RAF Regiment - Drill Sergeant no doubt). The SLR was a semi-automatic weapon on returning from anywhere where you have had a magazine attached to the weapon every man will individually be asked the "Prove" his weapon safe:

1: Magazine off the weapon
2: Pull working parts to the rear to cock the weapon
3: D.I. may physically check the chamber by sight and by feel to ensure that the chamber is empty (returning to an armoury after a ceremonial parade or after drill)
4: The rifle is then pointed muzzle down into a sand pit or barrel and the trigger is pulled bring the working parts forward - the gun should just go click as it has just been "proven" safe - If it goes bang then you are deeply in the shit (hostile or active service returning to base after a patrol)
5: Enter base keeping the weapon with you if on active service or if not return the gun to the armoury where it is stored in an unloaded safe condition with the working parts forward i.e. "uncocked".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:01 AM

Excellent!

I leave you in the incapable hands of Akenaton;

Just survived, (by the skin of my teeth),a small altercation with Teribus over debating styles,see (Blair on Channel 4).It has got me thinkin.
Teribus carries about his person,a large book of facts, which he uses to batter people into submission. Im sure most of you have suffered this unpleasant experience at some time or other.
Teribus believes that this book can cause him to win any argument, on any subject large or small. I on the other hand believe that these "facts" or statistics (grain quotas, unemployment figures,infant mortality rates ,(it goes on ad nauseum)have almost always been engineered by politicians of all persuasions, to shine as good a light as possible on their devious shenanigans.so when I write here I like to think for myself and let my own opinions come through, no matter how stupid they may seem to others.
I have always admired the effort and time which Teribus expends on creating his diatribes, even if they may be a bit pedantic at times.
Teribus of course thinks me a wooly minded wanker,butis not completely correct in that assumption,as I only become "Wooly minded" in the Scottish Blackface sheep shagging season....Any facts/opinions on debating styles would be very welcome....Ake
PS..funnily enough,Teribus is one of the strongest supporters of a war that was based on no facts at all,and entirely on the opinions of cretins...Ake

There. Never let it be said I never heed the words of the Strathlachlan Troll.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 09:50 AM

From GUEST, Rahere – We get rifles; Queen Anne Salutes; Zen and the art of the Combat Rifleman – Ho Hum. All the rifle spinning, bullshit is all very well and looks good in a "mickey-mouse" American Marching Band Street Parade sort of way but it is of absolutely no practical use whatsoever – mind you as the Queen Anne they are going on about was most likely the Austrian one no wonder we never got involved with such bullshit. It does however look as though it would come in handy during basic training once you'd got to a certain standard that your D.I., would introduce it to relieve the boredom, (During my basic training they did that by letting every man in the squad "invent" a drill movement on the spur of the moment which he then had to "teach" the squad - lesson: Exercise in thinking on your feet - formulating commands - practice in giving orders and instructing).

As Musket, or Muskets, was addressing the transport and storage of guns then there was absolutely nothing wrong with Charmion's recollection – nothing whatsoever to do with, or about, carrying a gun in a hostile environment where you may have to carry it ready for immediate use.

"The thing about Teribus is that he's becoming an old man and it hurts him, he wants the world as it was and cannot bear the reality that it is as it is, he's in denial. "

Hey listen up "pal", what this "becoming" shit?? I am an old man – nothing at all wrong with that, on the contrary I am quite proud of it, considering the life I've led - and for your information I am in denial about S.F.A.

I would love to hear what this great change was that occurred in those ten years Rahere (I think that they exist mainly inside your own over active imagination) and I have not got the foggiest clue what your link is between patriotism and hierarchy.

As for politicians now being servants of the electorate? Well that is just simply laughable given the attitude and performance of the "professional politicians" who have been in charge of our country for the past couple of decades. Way back in the early to middle part of the 19th century leaders and leading members of political parties actually forced elections that they knew would turn their parties out of office in order that the matter could be put before the electorate if they thought their parties policies would hurt the interests of the Nation as a whole – Fat chance of any of the chancers currently in Westminster ever doing that today. And come to think of it there are far, far fewer people living in the United Kingdom today that have any concept of the United Kingdom being a whole Nation than there ever was in the late 18th century.

Oddly enough the bit I thought that was important in the Andrew Mitchell thing was the fact that it transpired that the police report in their official log was basically a concoction of lies contradicted by CCTV evidence and that an e-mail "eye-witness" account corroborating the concocted police version of the incident by a member of the public to his MP turned out to an e-mail sent in by an off-duty police officer who was not present at the incident – And the Police, the Police Commissioner and the Police Federation ALL thought that they could get away "Scot-Free" with that shit. And even when it was "investigated" and Mr Mitchell was accused by the Police of not co-operating with the West Midlands Police even that was proven to have been bullshit when the recorded interviews were transcribed.

"I've just been playing with Audacity on his {Ed milliband's presumably} voice, the Normalised setting reduces the nasal sneer and puts tonal warmth in which isn't there. It's subtle, and what I get at the end is still very recognisable. It irons out some of the high-frequency overtones, but I don't think he can do that himself."

If that is your idea of entertainment then you really should get a life.

Professional politicians in the UK have destroyed the faith of the electorate in all of the mainstream political parties – too many promises made, too many promises broken. David Cameron can guarantee to deliver a referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the EU until he is "blue-in-the-face" there is not a single voter in the United Kingdom will believe him – because he promised that before and failed to deliver. Anyone who is even toying with voting Labour after what resulted from their power trip between 1997 and 2010 basically need to be committed, the Labour Governments of Blair and Brown are the ones who dumped the country in the shit and Labour supporters up and down the country should never ever be allowed to forget that.

We do not want professional politicians we want people who have at least earned a living and held down an actual job – sorry but working full time within the organization of a political party does not qualify. Someone like the Musket who managed to escape the thralldom of the pit to build his electrical goods empire, expand it world-wide thereby bringing work to the masses across five continents - even HE would be preferable to the complete and utter wankers in Parliament today. I mean he's already half-way to being a politician for me - I already can't stand the prat and think that he is a complete and utter idiot.

Frank Field – Too old

David Davies – Too young (Or did you actually mean David Davis perhaps? If so Too Old again)

Of course "Teribus is from the past" and you, you pillock, are also from that same past minus ten years. And just like you, you pillock, "Teribus is living in the present" just as you are – although it would appear that "Teribus is living in the present" a damned sight more contentedly than you are.

SNP holding the balance of power? Highly unlikely, the more they promote division in Scotland the greater will be the resistance against them. The referendum in Scotland showed clearly that the consensus in Scotland is that the UK should remain as a Union. The two year run up to that referendum opened up some extremely painful divisions and any political party that seeks a repeat performance of those last two years will be punished for it at the polls in 2015 (Westminster Elections) and again in 2016 (Holyrood elections)

"Black Friday riots??" Pray tell us what entitlements were being "fought for"? All I saw were some extremely unattractive "couch potato" types voluntarily partaking in scenes that would have disgusted the inhabitants of a piggery. Mind you it is probably the only exercise they get all year. Precisely why we have to emulate and instantly adopt every bloody silly marketing and consumer sales idea that we see broadcast from the USA I have no clue whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:05 PM

Look, any chance of you taking one of your tablets and resting for a while? Its becoming evident in your posts, not that I bothered reading half of the last couple.

You even had me quoting Akenaton at you, and that for me is something that with 20/20 hindsight I shouldn't have done. After all, you are just a pedantic old sod who can't understand beyond the literal, like your mate Keith sometimes portrays, but Akenaton having you weighed up?

Fascinating....

(By the way, I did note your endorsement of me as Prime Minister, thanks. It wasn't an electrical empire by the way, it was an engineering concern that made products for a particular task, some electrical, some pneumatic, some hydraulic.

I am relieved to see that you can't stand me and think I am a complete and utter idiot. Clapton forbid that my comments could be misconstrued and fools such as you thought I was a nice chap. if you met me in business, I'd be your worst fucking nightmare me old love.)

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 04:19 PM

What happened is that when I started, it was your kind of soldiering, Ruperts and Ranks. When I finished, the Red Fog of War doctrine was everywhere, aftermath of NI, and when I came back again ten years later, it was well entrenched: you were starting to get Platoons given to Sergeants, and that's now common. You were in an unusual unit and given more initiative than most at the time, in the line units the move went from ORs who only ever did as they were told to ORs who had to think, which was tough on the middle ranks, the Corporals who'd only got there because of LSGC (yes, I know, undetected crime), their cards were marked before they'd get to retirement. These days, you've got a criminal record, you won't even get into the TA, because basic ethics are a must: in the 60s, you talked ethics and you'd get some funny looks from those who didn't think it was the fun place sahf of Suffuck.
The worst offenders, of course, went to Toulouse, where they had a complete identity change. The funniest one of those I ever came across was Colonel Bastard of the French Foreign Legion, who'd made it to a Staff Grade. From his accent he was originally a Jock...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 09:15 PM

Yowza, how far astray we have gone!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:52 AM

Naw, it's all gun related one way or another. It's just our two different countries and how we approach guns.

Here in The UK we have to talk about the military because they have them and in The USA they talk about children because they seem to be able to have them.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:47 AM

My First Rifle

"Quality firearms for America's youth"

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:51 AM

Don't forget these books for the little ones!!

Includes "Little Jake and the three bears"

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:59 AM

Insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 11:01 AM

Uncle buds. Com had a great sale on glocks I almost bought another 40 cal

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 11:46 AM

Or have we misunderstood what the OP meant by a Thanksgiving Gun?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:38 PM

The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."

Something to do with the civilised world apparently...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:09 PM

"Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:25 PM

FULL CIRCLE

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:40 PM

Good points, Big Al W-Canada and a few others are far ahead of both the UK and US of A when it comes to accepting equal rights of gays and most minorities. One rarely hears of the type of discrimination discussions promoted by the few posting "throw-backs" on Mudcat.

(But, yes, Canada needs a swift kick ahead when it comes to the social acceptance of Aboriginal peoples).

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 05:25 AM

Funny how the Americans on this thread have to go back in time to have a pop at the British but the British can use today as an example.

The whole idea of indoctrinating children into keeping gun manufacturers in business for the future is one hell of a stain on the patchwork quilt we call USA.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 12:23 PM

Oh you mean way back like shooting people in North Ireland

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:21 PM

Strange.. Since the armed criminals all had their guns destroyed, they have stopped shooting each other in Northern Ireland.

I wonder how that might work in The USA where people shoot each other every day?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:26 PM

Criminals like those women and little kids that were shot down

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: gnu
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:35 PM

Indeed it is best to have an unarmed populace. Much easier to control should the peasants be revolting.

Having said that, it would appear the some feel NA peasants are far more revolting than their own. As for the "gun culture" in the USA, I find it odd that some people simply do not understand that it is required to assist in enlisting young people as mercenaries so that future enslavement of peoples foreign and domestic may be easily accomplished. Should some of the above posters find this abhorrent, as indicated by their posts, allow me to remind same that the US military might is flexed, in part, by the English Crown. You really don't think the US fucked up Libya and others for *ONLY* US oil interests, do you? Surely it was also for BP, Shell, et al? No?

In any case, guns are good and SOME people are bad. Worse are those that think war is okay if it keeps them comfy and all they have to carp about is the "gun culture" of another country located thousands of miles away... the one that keeps them comfy by the barrel of a gun.

Anybody that wants the "gun culture" to go away should focus on the causes of it and not the symptoms.

Good gun laws are good... bad gun laws are very, very, very bad.

Adieu.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:39 PM

Amen gnu

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 02:04 PM

"Oh you mean way back like shooting people in North Ireland"

"Criminals like those women and kids that were shot down"

You mean the ones that were shot by terrorists, many of those terrorists using guns paid for by donations from loony Americans who thought they were being really, really clever giving money to romantic 'Freedom-Fighters'? Donations that miraculously dried up when a few Arab civilians showed you what it's like when those romantic 'Freedom-Fighters' bring their romantic 'Fight for Freedom' to your own door by trashing your national pride and joy, the World Trade Centre, and your entire military organisation (backed-up, of course, by your 'well-drilled militia', armed to the teeth with their hunting bang-bangs and hand-bang-bangs) could do nothing about it?

I hope you'll bear with me while I giggle at your lack of understanding about what goes on in the 90% of the world that isn't the Good Ole US of A.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 02:59 PM

Yeah that six year old your soldier shot was real scary. A Country that uses army tanks and heavy machine guns against its own people real civilized. I will take my wild west thank you

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:08 PM

Dear Oldude,

Your NORAID donation is now due.

Thank you for your continued support.

Yours

An Irish version of those who gave you 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:09 PM

Army tanks to keep a track of land smaller thanmy town. How vvery British of you

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:36 PM

Naw I stay away from other countries mess had enough of cleaning up my own country political sewage

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 04:10 PM

It's all but 10 years since the Provisionals laid down their arms, 16 since the Good Friday Agreement and forty since the days when the population was targetted. So your still dig up the past to prove your point, whereas your own police are targetting the public, it rather seems, today.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 09:59 PM

What it boils down to is that I don't give a flip what the English have to say about our gun laws. By the same token the English shouldn't care about my opinions of their Monarchy. But the British attempting to lecture us about guns and their usage - in our country - is something out of a Monty Python routine. They lost that right at Yorktown in 1781.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 10:44 PM

Wesley, I'm an American and I think everyone in the world should lecture us about our gun laws. If you think we and our guns aren't a danger to everyone else in the world, you should wake up.

A gun in the home is seven times more likely to be used on a family member or friend than on an intruder. And then there are people like olddude who think breaking and entering should be a capital crime, with himself and judge, jury and executioner. Now THAT'S a person we want having legal access to guns. He's a fucking nut job and any sane person knows it.

Someone said earlier that guns in America are here to stay. Well, that's true as long as so many people shrug and say, Oh well, that's how it is.

Anyone who is a member of the NRA is personally responsible for lots of murders, since the NRA is one of the biggest things keeping us from acting like sane adults. If any gun control law would have ever saved one life but wasn't enacted, all NRA members are guilty.

And I don't want to hear the bullshit about criminals not obeying gun laws. So fucking what? What if guns were so illegal that people would cross the street to avoid walking past one? Someone has to start somewhere getting rid of the guns so the criminals won't have access to them. Doh! No guns, no gun deaths. Look at the chart that was posted earlier. We're killing people in job lots.

Since 9/11, which killed about 5000 people, the USA has spent 600 billion dollars fighting terrorism. During that time something like 300,000 Americans have been gunned down. I don't want your "Oh well", and I don't want you "no responsible gun owner does this or that". Prove it. Prove to me that NO gun owner leaves guns laying around. Prove to me thst NO guns are sold to criminals or crazy people. Prove to me that NO gun owners allows their children to have access to guns. Prove it or shut the fuck up.

Guess what? I'm really angry. I'm angry that I have to worry about saying something to the guy that cuts in front of me in the grocery line because he may well have a gun in his pocket. I'm angry that there are people in the mall, in the park, in the library, on the bus with guns and that the gun nuts can't prove to me that they are all well-trained, responsible, sane gun owners.

"If there were more people with guns, someone shooting in a mall would get dropped before he had a chance to kill very many people". What a stupid crock of shit. Here's the result of that scenario: Bystander 1 sees a crazy person pull a gun. He pulls his and fires at the crazy person. Bystander 2 sees Bystander 1 pull out a gun, pulls out his and fires. Bystander 3 sees a bunch of people with guns and jumps to the conclusion that they are all crazy people and starts firing at random. NONE of these people have every had a background check, any gun training, any safety training, nothing. They just went down to the store and bought a gun, no questions asked, no rules about it at all.

Olddude, this is what you promote -- lots of people with guns everywhere. Please explain to me how the above scenario isn't the sure result of an armed populace.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 10:45 PM

Sorry, I didn't sign the above post. That was me.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 12:07 AM

Give all the guns to me and wes. When the zombies attack you will thank us

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:59 AM

No, we will point out to them where your defences are vulnerable.

Wesley. The civilised world will always preach to backward nations. At different levels we all do it.

In areas where The USA isn't so bad, you try hard yourselves. Although arming contra Rebels isn't exactly spreading enlightenment. Napalming whole countries wasn't the biggest diplomatic success you've had either.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Silas
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 03:49 AM

Well said john p. Most sensible post in this thread by far.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 04:35 AM

Amen to that, Silas. Thank Dog there's at least one sane American.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 08:51 AM

I thought I'd made my position clear before but it looks like I need to do so at least one more time. MAYBE people will read it this time.

I DON'T support the gun laws in this country. Guns are far too easy to obtain and the fact that ordinary people feel like they need to carry one around with them is just nuts. In my home home state of Georgia you can take your gun to church if you like. That's insane. But just because I don't enjoy the lectures of the bloody British on how "civilized" countries should behave doesn't mean that I think every kid in America should wake up with a shotgun under the tree Christmas morning.

Now I know that what some of you will take away from this post is that I said "I think every kid in America should wake up with a shotgun under the tree Christmas morning." I can't help that. Facts be damned apparently.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:03 AM

Simple, Wesley. Stop defending it then. I shout from the rooftops to listen to other countries and Amnesty International since our government changed the law to allow juries to form an opinion when a defendent has refused to answer questions under caution.

I think it is something The UK should be ashamed of and if your President had the balls to berate us for it, I'd be more than happy.

Still, on balance, our problems versus yours? Still a few stems and branches between us on the evolutionary tree.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:09 AM

"Stop defending it then"

Please point out what I'm defending.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:38 AM

Wesley, rest easy, anyone reading this thread knows where you stand on the gun laws in the US. Your opening post was clearly made in horror at the situation. The "only in America" made that obvious, along with the general tone. Anyone would have to be reading with odd-colored glasses to get any other meaning from that and from everything you've subsequently said on the subject. My only disagreement with what you've said is when you tell people from other countries to not comment on the extreme lack of civilization in the US. Shall we stop talking to China about civil rights? To North Korea about missiles? To several countries in the Middle East about sexism and religious intolerance?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:00 AM

Olddude, please explain to me how the scenario I laid out earlier isn't the only possible result of your desire to have lots of armed citizens in all public places, ready to shoot anyone with a gun. How does one untrained and non-uniformed shooter tell any other untrained and non-uniformed shooter from a crazy person with a gun? What happens to all the other people nearby? How does this situation not open the door for general murder: "He had a gun so I shot him".

I have to conclude that the depth of your thinking on this subject extends to the level of the bumper sticker. That leaves you woefully unprepared to answer the next question that naturally and logically occurs, much less the tenth question down the line. Please think your position all the way through.

I've been trying to be charitable and assume that you were joking up-thread when you said that you have lots of loaded guns laying around your house, but based on other things you've said, I have a horrible suspicion that you weren't. You've just announced an all-you-can-eat buffet for gun thieves every time you leave your house. Are you really too stupid to lock your guns up when you're not using them? Do you really think that anyone can't find out where you live in about half an hour on the web? If your guns get stolen because they are easily accessible, don't you feel responsible for any crimes that get committed with them?

C'mon, defend your position. Be a grown-up and take responsibility for your words and actions. I'd like to see the facts and the logic that support your positions laid out for us so we can have a real debate on the subject. Or, as I said, shut the fuck up.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:04 AM

Wesley, we Brits know that you're on the same page as us (I certainly do after my earlier misunderstanding of your OP, and our subsequent exchange), so why do you object to us telling the idiots and loonies on here what a crock of shit your gun-laws are?

We're BACKING YOU, for fuck's sake!

Musket and I have often disagreed on this forum (even though we get on in the Real World) but I agree with him on here - where a nation's government is failing its citizens (including ours!) it's the right, no it's the DUTY, of citizens and governments of every other nation on Earth To tell it so.

And we're not taking pot-shots at you (pun intended) or any of the other sane contributors on the thread - our comments are aimed at the idiots and loonies who worship their bang-bangs, who try to equate terrorist attacks in the UK with kids shooting their classmates in the US and, when those are shown up as the horseshit they are, start prattling on about zombies.

Chill man!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:38 AM

I have never disagreed with you. You disagree with me!

Not the same thing...

😎

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 11:45 AM

Oh no I don't! 😄😎

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 11:50 AM

Yes I was joking and no I don't leave weapons laying around #@#@#

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:38 PM

I don't either.

Funnily enough.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:56 PM

Musket: "Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about."

Then...:"The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."
Something to do with the civilised world apparently... "

Then from Wesley: ""Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......"

Then from GUEST#: "FULL CIRCLE"


Well the Pilgrims on the Mayflower were FLEEING Britain, seeking political and religious FREEDOM!
I guess Britain at least has 'nice manners' while oppressing people!.... Then they can't even defend themselves without the aid of the very people who founded their country, trying to get away from them!!!

Germany had them against the ropes, while exterminating the Jews....and....They still can't get over that Israel whipped them as well!

Such pompous snobs!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:59 PM

Forgot to sign in...the previous post was mine.


Musket: "Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about."

Then...:"The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."
Something to do with the civilised world apparently... "

Then from Wesley: ""Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......"

Then from GUEST#: "FULL CIRCLE"


Well the Pilgrims on the Mayflower were FLEEING Britain, seeking political and religious LIBERTY and FREEDOM!
I guess Britain at least has 'nice manners' while oppressing people!.... Then they can't even defend themselves without the aid of the very people who founded their country, trying to get away from them!!!

Germany had them against the ropes, while exterminating the Jews....and....They still can't get over that Israel whipped them as well!

Such pompous snobs!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:02 PM

Speaking, as we were, of idiots and loonies..........

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:12 PM

...............we get both in one post.

Hey Goofus, the piece of bullshit about WW2 was answered in full way back up the thread - 27th November, 03:54 PM. It's always a good idea to keep up with things before opening your mouth and putting your foot in it.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 12:52 AM

(But that's his thing....)

Gadzooks! Obviously I've wandered into a convention of diplomats!

Being an American barbarian (of Scottish descent, which makes it even worse), I own a few handguns, one of which is a Smith and Wesson Model 41 target pistol (.22 caliber): CLICKY, which I use for perforating paper targets. The object is to put a clipful of rounds into a dime-sized group—at a distance of 25 yards. I'm quite good at this. Target shooting is much like golf.

I also have a Walther PPK .380 cal., similar to the gun made popular in the James Bond novels and movies (his was the less powerful 7.65 mm. version).

My handguns reside in a locked safe.

Any burglar who tries to break into our apartment would be more likely to encounter one of these sliding through his gizzard: "Have at thee, foul knave!"   I'm quite skilled in the use of these devices and have some trophies and medals to prove it.   

But as a descendant of an expatriate Scot, I should probably use something like this:    "Hoot, mon!!"

Now, play nice, guys. The U. S. and Great Britain were allies during WWI and WWII.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 03:35 AM

Is Goofus actually as we portray him or are Americans taught that the pilgrim fathers were fleeing persecution?

I live near where two of the big cheeses come from (Brewster and Bradford.) Lots of local history about them. They preached intolerance to anything other than their Puritan stance and were inprisoned for enforcing it before fleeing to Holland. Their "ark" The Mayflower was all about the freedom to persecute and enforce their strict code that would make a monk wince.



Don. If we have burglars, we don't need guns and risking a life in prison because its a million to one the burglars have guns either.

Having pistols seems illogical to me. Hunting rifles I can understand. I pay a man to keep the rabbit population down in my paddocks for instance. But what can you do with pistols? Antique ones in glass cases on display maybe, but live ones?

Someone said they use them to go to a target range and shoot the bad guy targets. Seems similar to having a blow up doll to simulate rape.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 01:20 PM

No I hunted for 20 years with a handgun and got a nice buck every year

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 01:37 PM

Also wandering around alaska or the Colorado bear country it is good to have one handy whileffishing

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 02:35 PM

I have a target pistol because I enjoy target shooting (which I do at a shooting range). As I said, target shooting can be much like playing golf.

As to the prevalence of guns in the United States, there is not much that can be done about that. Unfortunately, they're already out there, all too often in the hands of a relatively small percentage of paranoid, self-appointed super-patriots who have some half-assed notion that if the U. S. government turns tyrannical, they will man the barricades, overwhelm the government, and "keep America free!!" Fat chance when the government possesses tanks, fighter jets, bombers, nuclear weapons….

The gun nuts make a helluvalot of noise for their numbers, and they are obviously delusional. But short of amending the Constitution (rescind the Second Amendment), we're stuck with it being legal to possess firearms.

The Second Amendment was written for a different time, which no longer pertains.

Target shooting, as I say, I do for sport. The same with fencing. Other that good exercise and general enjoyment, it has no practical value. The days are long gone when gentlemen would settle disputes by meeting at six a.m. in the Bois de Boulogne accompanied by their seconds to engage in an "affair of honor" (try to shish-kabob each other).

With thrust, parry, riposte, and counter-attack, fencing is like a sort of high-speed chess as far as tactics is concerned. Totally impractical, but heaps of fun!

Don Firth

P. S. Heard tell about a thirteen-year-old girl in Alaska who was out berry-picking one day when suddenly this huge Kodiak rears up out of the bushes. She grabbed the .22 pistol she had in her berry basket and shot the thing. It stood there for a moment, then fell over like a tree, dead.

Damned lucky shot. It had it's mouth open, roaring at her, and the .22 bullet went into its soft palette and into its brain!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 02:48 PM

Never had to shoot a bear but came close. I was glad I had the. 44mag with me. Get rid of the gun show loophole and a lot less guns on the street for bad guys. I disagree with you on the 2nd admendment but it is fine we disagree. Law makers can't sort it out. I target shoot about every week because it is fun

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 03:22 AM

I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow this doll up.

Hear about the thousands and thousands of EU citizens each year who have lucky escapes? Something to do with it not being easy for criminals to get their hands on guns coupled with no tradition of doing so.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 11:38 AM

Not that we know anymore about what happens in your country than you know about what happens in ours, Musket, but we hear that there is concern at the highest levels over there
that Police have been fiddling with crime statistics to make things look better than they are.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 12:01 PM

Funnily enough I know your country rather well. I personally paid $450k in taxes last year so tend to get curious about what my business interests are funding in the three states and federally.

Anything in your link of relevance?

Thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 07:03 PM

Officials from both Scotland Yard and the Metropolitan Police seem to have told MP's that they've been underreporting crime statistics for quite a long time, meaning that murder, violent crime, and such things, are deliberately underreported to make your country look safer than it really is.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 08:48 PM

Quite possibly - and are being held to account, unlike in the US. Cops are human too, and rather too clannish for their own good, so an occasional purge is very necessary.
Our House Committees are starting to use their teeth.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 07 Dec 14 - 03:30 AM

Yes there is under reporting. In pockets by individual forces, and there is over reporting too, getting petty criminals to have crimes taken into consideration to get them off the books.

Violent crime is followed up. There is nothing to report anywhere that isn't down to target chasing. That is slightly different to shooting black men indiscriminately if you are a white cop. The hoo ha when corruption is revealed results in huge name shame and clear out.

Not quite The USA eh?

Oh and not with guns either. We debated for years before letting police have tasers or allow armed police to patrol airports.

No mate. I travel extensively and know parts of your country better than parts of my own. I feel less safe in yours and part of that is allowing people to carry guns. Another part is letting police carry guns. Ours don't. An armed response unit is deployed as needed in a situation. If your bang bang industry folded, we'd have less guns too.

The difference is that over here, the few guns carried in the street are by criminals. Gangs mainly, and then we have less in the whole country than in some of your small towns.

Police target fiddling and the fact it is being addressed has no bearing on this.

Keep banging the rocks together.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:03 AM

More Loonies

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:07 AM

Looks like some people see the Constitution as a mutual suicide pact. I don't know that they're loonies, but they sure are fucked up in the head.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:14 AM

Get on out there, guest, & get your tank & bazooka before they're all snatched up! Only a limited time offer. Yee-HAH!!!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 01:56 PM

Yer all fucked when Bigfoot comes outta the mountains

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 02:01 PM

Naaah, Dan - everyone knows Bigfoot can't climb trees!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 02:47 PM

Lol

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 08:48 AM

"Naaah, Dan - everyone knows Bigfoot can't climb trees!"

What? No link provided to back up your claim? We need proof - not just an "everyone knows" type of quote. Facts. We need facts! Or at least a Wikipedia link we can trust.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:11 PM

A picture is worth a thousand prognostications.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:25 PM

They can climb they just choose not to. Now zombies well some day you will thank me for my prep

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:31 PM

Is that the "fast" or "slow" zombie subspecies, Dan?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:56 PM

Gotta think on that good point forgot about the fast ones

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:33 AM

Wow . . . I'm someone who was trained in UK to handle all sorts of firearms - indeed, qualified to run ranges too. It is most interesting when two cultures collide head on.

On a personal basis, with what's happening in our world, I'd be happier if I had my 9 mm Browning locked in the safe. Or a Glock of course. But then I think I'd be a safe handler and know it's not some form of chest-beating ego trip.

Seems I have missed all the 'fun'.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:41 AM

Aw, fret not, they'll be doing a special on ammo for the New Year...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 12:01 PM

Ah, now I know why. Jeb is thinking about running. No, Jeb, learn to walk first.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 01:50 PM

Get a glock 23.. 40 cal it is awesome right out of the box no need for trigger jobs

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 01:55 PM

UK training forget it. Fine for a rifle look into thunder ranch here in the state.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 02:00 PM

Your British snipers, superb. But you're SIS guy's with a handgun, they would do better using it as a club

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 02:01 PM

Or better still, save your money and put it towards another Martin, Brian. That's what somebody sane would do. Guns are no good to anybody, especially in a civilised country like the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:40 PM

Thanksgiving comes during deer season. I've heard of more than one guy who skips the dinner to go after Bambi. It's legal in the states as long as you have a license and the proper equipment. Hence the gun sale at Wally World for Thanksgiving.

Do I hunt deer? Hell no. I don't like guns and I don't like venison. Do I have a problem with deer hunters? As long as they stay off posted land, and stay sober, no I don't. Deer are beautiful creatures. I know because they like to come into my yard and eat my chrysanthemums. But they are also a prey species and breed like one.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 10:16 AM

How you doing JB? Ready to buy a 12 string yet?

I can see your point here mate, that's perhaps the difference . . .

Anything that's dealt with using discernment, respect and skill is likely to be safer than ignoring those attributes - sadly that's what we tend to see reported from the USA.

On my visits, seeing how glibly and over-confidently some folks seemed to handle loaded weapons was worriesome - I used to go to shooting clubs regularly when I did States trips with Airtours and MyTravel airlines.

Combined with the 'reset' button on a computer game, there is some question that the irresponsible don't realise reality until it's too late. Firing at people is REAL, not a game.

That said, I met some really responsible, friendly and knowledgable shooters and instructors, they would not cause me any grief at all.

Begs the question about the efficacy of Gun Law and how discerning the authorities are.

I can't see there are any winners in this kind of situation, only losers of one degree or another, victims or NoK.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 12:44 PM

I keep turning the idea of a 12-er over in my mind.......almost bought a D12-28 like yours in November at Westside. I went in in the afternoon (viewing the Tower of London Poppies in the morning)......they'd sold it that morning!

Still thinking though...... 😀

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 05:11 PM

I've sent you a PM John.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 05:48 PM

I've replied, Brian! 👍

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 18 Dec 14 - 03:37 AM

I've got a 12 string going spare. Sausage fingers force sale. (I used to kid myself but since the old balls dropped and I stopped trying to play Gordon Giltrap songs..)

PM as ever. When Mrs Backwoodsman lets you out to play next in our back yard, I can bring it over.