BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale

Subject: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 09:28 AM

Only in America. The largest retail chain in America { the one from Arkansas } is advertising a 20 percent off sale on all guns for after Christmas. Because Thanksgiving and guns go so well together I guess.
Of course I've known people that were really excited to get a Glock 9mm for Christmas.

That's right up there with my other favorite retail sale. The furniture chain that has advertises for Martin Luther King's birthday saying - "You can afford your dream".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:14 AM

Great! I wasn't aware of the sale so you know where I'll be!!!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:32 AM

Gonna be lots of nervous turkeys walkin' 'round.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 11:47 AM

"... for after Christmas."? I don't understand.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 12:28 PM

I meant to say that it starts the day after Thanksgiving.

It gives a whole new meaning to the term "Black Friday".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM

Well there ya go - utter, total and complete lunacy is alive and well in the good ole USA.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:13 PM

Most of those guns will be sold for hunting - deer, pheasants, rabbits, geese, turkeys, ducks, even doves. America has many square miles of woods and forest, and hunting is big business.

As for the guns bought out of fear: if you saw some of the vicious, brainless random crimes we see here, you might be afraid too. Not that I think a gun will help much, but then I don't get my ideas about life from movies and TV.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: IamNoMan
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:32 PM

Where I live the Monday and Tuesday following Thanksgiving are school holidays. The kids get off to go hunting!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:43 PM

Pick up another ar for me ok rap do you need another ak

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:45 PM

There are more guns than people in the US. WTF do they need more stupid guns for?
I feel sorry for American womankind - there must be a lot of very small dicks over there.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:21 PM

Guns aren't stupid. However some of then people who use them are. Kinda like some people who use the internet.

" there must be a lot of very small dicks over there."

Yes - you will fit in nicely. With some room to spare....

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:17 AM

Right back at ya WC

You may not agree that guns are stupid (like I care), but stupid people are infinitely more dangerous when guns are so readily available.

You 'answered' everything in my post except the only real question it posed - when there are more guns than people in the US, why do they need more guns?

So, Smart-mouth, what's your answer?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:57 AM

I suppose you can use the butt end of guns to bang rocks together...

I notice on another thread about a UK traffic offence and the police sending a summons to the wrong address, some joker said we are screwed because we can't carry guns. Our dear psychopathic friend Goofus posted to agree!

🔫🔫💵💵💉💉👻👻

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:58 AM

More questions for you to contemplate, Wes:-

Which country is it where cops keep shooting black males with no consequences to themselves?

Which country is it where kids regularly shoot large numbers of their school Friends?

Which country is it where guns are sold no-questions-asked at uncontrolled gun-fairs all over the country?

Which country do the Mudcat Madmen come from who squeal and giggle like daft schoolgirls in their near-orgasmic rapture over their personal arsenals (including on this thread)?

Which country is it where gun stores advertise "Your child's first gun", with six or seven year-olds holding blue or pink rifles?

Don't you fuckin' dare to infer that it's us over here who have it wrong. Like Musket says - "Keep banging the rocks together".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:15 AM

While over here, Arsenal are the best of the losers. Arse 'n Al...who's Arse, anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:35 AM

"Which country is it where cops keep shooting black males with no consequences to themselves?"

America

"Which country is it where kids regularly shoot large numbers of their school Friends?"

America

"Which country is it where guns are sold no-questions-asked at uncontrolled gun-fairs all over the country?"

America

"Which country do the Mudcat Madmen come from who squeal and giggle like daft schoolgirls in their near-orgasmic rapture over their personal arsenals (including on this thread)?"

Sorry - Can't answer that question. I'm having a near orgasmic rapture and my hand isn't very steady right now.

"Which country is it where gun stores advertise "Your child's first gun", with six or seven year-olds holding blue or pink rifles?"

Yup - We're on a roll here. America. We have lots of stupid behavior about guns here. Re-read my first post. Our attitudes suck about guns. And many of us here are trying to correct that. Here in my home state of Georgia a cop isn't allowed to ask you if you have a carry permit if he sees you with a gun on your hip. And that - among other things - is just plain stupid.

"Don't you fuckin' dare to infer that it's us over here who have it wrong."

So I won't say you have it wrong. I'll just say it's none of your business. If you want things to change over here - Get a passport - move here and vote to change things like I have. Otherwise just shut up.

And for "when there are more guns than people in the US, why do they need more guns? " You're wrong. We only have 90 guns per 100 residents. But we are number one in the world in the ratio of guns to people. So we don't need any more. Any other questions?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:22 AM

I dispute that "It's none of your business" - the out-of-control proliferation of firearms is everyone's business. But your "It's none of your business" attitude is a very telling statement about the American mindset - insular and isolated - yet you have the temerity to try to tell the rest of the world how they should run their countries?

Well, you know what? Go and play with your stupid guns, blow your own stupid heads off, shoot your kids, let them shoot each other, enjoy your stupid 20% discount gun sales, I don't care, it's none of my business - you told me so.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:33 AM

Dear Lord:

Thank you for allowing me to live in a country where I can buy guns if I can pass the background check. And to have the money to do that.

Of course, Lord, I don't need any more guns. I can't shoot more than two at any one time, and ammo costs so much know that I can't afford that either. Besides, I don't do anything much besides shoot targets these days -- you know, Lord, like the British Olympic shooting teams do.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:33 AM

I woulda thought turkey season was closed by now.

Alas, not ... There's a British Internet turkey bouncing up and down yelling to be shot at right here on this page.

Speaking as a Canadian, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 10:55 AM

Visualizing gun deaths – Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world


I wouldn't want to reside in a country like that, don't understand why anyone woud

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM

The British Olympic teams do not. They are not allowed to carry guns, prat. They can transport them from locked storage, which is checked annually by the police as per their licence to wherever they shoot, (Bisley etc) and they must be cocked, preferably in their case. At the places they shoot, there are licenced and police checked storage facilities for when they are not in use at the ranges.

Guns for hunting must be clearly on display at all times and cocked when not being prepared for immediate use. Nobody under any circumstances carries hand guns as they are illegal under all circumstances.

The only guns held for protection are by the police and military. (Oh and young kids in gangs who have been watching too many American TV shows glorifying guns.)

A country that puts the right to guns above the right to equitable healthcare for all is somewhat sick.

Keep banging... you know the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 12:28 PM

Backwoodman - You persist in being as dumb as a box of rocks. At no time have I approved in the proliferation of guns that we have in America. I don't shoot children, deer, or police officers. I was bemoaning the fact that a retail outlet linked up Thanksgiving with a 20% off sale on weapons. So slow down and read my posts before you go off "half cocked". Pun intended.

But face it - guns in America are not going away. So we need to promote sane guns laws and make sure that the mentally ill do not have access to them.

While we're at it - where do you live? Can we examine your country's history with firearms? I'm sure it's squeaky clean.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 12:54 PM

Not dumb at all, Wes, but sane and intelligent, and able to see what a crock of shit your firearms laws, and the ludicrous number of guns in free circulation there, really are.

If you were, as you now claim, 'bemoaning' these ridiculous sales, perhaps you need to use proper English so that others can understand exactly what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, on the Internet, irony frequently doesn't work, and your OP seems pretty clear-cut, even after re-reading several times, as somewhat of a joyous celebration.

As you should be well aware, I'm in the UK. Whilst our history certainly isn't 'squeaky-clean', we've moved way beyond that and civilised ourselves to a point where virtually no-one has a gun, and the few that do are rigidly controlled.

It CAN be done. But not while loonies like one or two on this thread are in the driving seat.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM

I read Wesley's opening post as sarcasm.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:21 PM

I didn't. So........??

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:30 PM

Particularly when Wes came right back and attacked my 'stupid guns' comment, with 'guns aren't stupid, people are stupid' - very close to the 'guns don't kill people, people kill people horse-shit put about by the gun-nuts. Anyone would understand from that that Wes is another bullet-head defending the indefensible.

My conscience is clear.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:53 PM

Anybody without a gun can have a clear conscience whilst someone with a gun never can.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:36 PM

"I didn't. So........??"

So you're not very bright. Learn to read between the lines. We agree on more things than we disagree on. Except you have a piss poor attitude.

From England huh? Didn't we bail you out of WW2 because you weren't able to defend yourself against the Germans? I seem to remember they were using guns then. I also remember touring Windsor Castle a few years ago. It's full of guns y'all captured from countries you defeated. With guns. Touring the Tower of London? Protected by guns. Lots of then. So why are you holier than thou?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:50 PM

"I didn't. So........??"

So maybe you read the opening post the wrong way.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 03:54 PM

This thread is about civilian gun-ownership, nothing to do with the situation during WW2 or ancient historical weaponry.

And no, Wes, 'you' didn't bail 'us' out - 'you' stood by and watched for two years, (and, incidentally, made fortunes selling 'us' war materials for the whole 6 years), whilst 'our' people - soldiers, sailors, airmen and civilians, thousands upon thousands of them, died at the hands of a much bigger, stronger enemy, trying to defend ourselves and help our European allies, until Japan attacked one of 'your' distant outposts and forced 'you' to get involved. Even then, 'your' civilian population went virtually unscathed (1,700 killed of a pop. of 300 million plus) whilst 'ours' suffered 67,000 killed out of 50+million, mostly by German bombing of many of our cities and towns which went on night after night for many many months, running into years. So, your comment is completely out of order and shamefully disrespectful to the memory of those from the UK who fought and died in a conflict you can't even begin to imagine. Don't fucking lecture us about WW2 - my parents and thousands like them were fighting and dying while you pricks were tossing-off in the safety of The Land of The Free.

Did you read the third para of my 12:54 PM post, which answered your question about the UK's history, and the civilisation process the UK went through during the 20th century, which process the U.S. has yet to embark on, let alone achieve. Thought not.

And Musket, in his post of 11:24 AM, comprehensively answered your comments regarding guns in the UK, and explained the situation in respect of civilian gun-ownership. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Time I bailed out, otherwise I might start getting nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:07 PM

We stood alone against the Nazis. We saved ourselves, and we all saved Europe dimwit. get over your inferiority complex and face up to the fact you live in a country where the coppers kill kids with toy guns and everyone thinks that's life.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 04:17 PM

I wanna tow rocket for Xmas it is wire guided takes more skills than that laser stuff

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 06:13 PM

Wesley appears to be a product of a weird education system for that matter.

Even "land of the free" is a sick joke. When you have to coerce people into patriotism with all that flag shit, and the majority of people seem normal yet are prepared to let government be run in the interest of gun and non equitable health care lobby, I don't think civilised countries have much to worry about.

Still killing your prisoners? Or is it just any black child these days? Perhaps some decent people are saying enough is enough looking at the riots.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 06:55 PM

The President pardons a turkey today. Wonder what the poor bugger did?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:20 PM

The fire-arm is easy.

The rounds to fulfill its function have become scarce - at any price.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


For one "survivalist" I know....they purchase a full box of 22, 44, 45, 9mm, and 12 Gage .... once a week from Walmart. That they cannot purchase unlimited rounds, every day, is proof, for them, that they should stockpile more.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 09:15 PM

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 01:55 AM

Not many facts in that link.

In fact, rather shocking that the authors couldn't find any pro gun statistics of merit. All it does is make the case for redneck stupidity and Dumbfuckistan politics look even more gormless.

Mind you, it isn't mentally challenged gun slingers I shake my head over, it's normal people who shrug their shoulders and say "Yeah, but what can you go about it?" Try democracy for starters? I find it hard to believe the majority of voters are happy for guns to be worn in public or not locked away when not hunting or target sporting.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 03:51 AM

" Musket - 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM

Apparently on gun ownership in the UK.

"They can transport them from locked storage, which is checked annually by the police as per their licence to wherever they shoot, (Bisley etc) and they must be cocked, preferably in their case."

Where on earth did you dig that up from? Bit difficult as in transport the rifle, the bolt and the ammunition must not be stored together so how the f**k can it be stored cocked in their case? Shotguns are normally transported broken down in their case so again cannot be cocked. - Any gun that is cocked or has the bolt closed should be viewed as loaded and dangerous and treated accordingly.

"Guns for hunting must be clearly on display at all times and cocked when not being prepared for immediate use.

If the gun when hunting is not in use then the bolt should be open, chamber empty and the magazine removed then anyone even with a casual glance can determine that the gun can be of no threat as a firearm (Could still be used as a club Musket) - A shotgun if not about to be used, i.e. walking to post, or back to the meeting point, should be broken and preferably unloaded.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:34 AM

When I was a young soldier, back in the dawn of time, weapons were carried with the action forward and the safety latch in the On position. Sort of the opposite of "cocked".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:51 AM

Back when I was a young soldier we just grunted and carried rocks.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 07:43 AM

Ah. Give examples of specific types of bang bangs to make me look foolish

Sadly for you, most people are intelligent enough to realise it was an example.

Still smarting over your assertion that it was a good idea to send men into the path of machine guns in WW1? Or was it when I questioned your support of Israeli terrorism that made you want to try to make me look a cunt on any given thread?

Sorry Terribulus. Get a life, you dozy twat.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:01 AM

Cocked, un-cocked, half-cocked, dismantled, whatever - it matters not a fig whether Musket's description of guns-made-safe was couched in the correct technical terminology, his point still stands true - that there are strict rules for the possession, storage, transport and use of firearms and ammunition in the UK, which are policed and enforced, and the result is that this country is very much safer indeed than the USA seems to be.

That is an indisputable fact.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:54 AM

Hard to believe. Let's recap:

I start a thread to point out the folly of linking a gun sale with a national holiday. Soon I'm being asked to defend the death penalty and shooting down black kids in the street. So let me restate my position in language that some of the thick people here will understand:

Guns R bad
Bullets R bad
Killing people R bad
Shooting people with your gun R bad
Killing prisoners R bad
NRA R very bad.

Is it clear now?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:55 AM

Quite agree Backwoodsman "there are strict rules for the possession, storage, transport and use of firearms and ammunition in the UK" - And Musket (even allowing for his "name" sounding sort of relevant") clearly displays that he hasn't got the foggiest notion of what they are - That woodsie was the only undisputed fact in his post of 27 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM.

"Cocked, un-cocked, half-cocked, dismantled, whatever - it matters not a fig whether Musket's description of guns-made-safe was couched in the correct technical terminology"

Just in case any are in any doubt about the correct technical terminology:

The firing/trigger mechanism of a gun MUST be "cocked" before it can be fired - so to even suggest that having a "cocked" gun in public view at all times can in any way, shape or form be viewed as being safe is utter lunacy - fair enough woodsie??

To transport a hunting rifle the rifle is in a hard locked case (minimum two locks), the locks are taped for transit so that any attempted interference with the locks is immediately noticeable. The bolt and empty magazines for the rifle are in a separate locked box carried in checked in luggage, any ammunition carried is carried separately in a second checked in case.

At home the rifle minus the bolt is stored in an approved gun safe that is secured to the wall and to the floor. The bolt is stored in a separate locked safe which anyone wishing to steal the gun must first find. The ammunition is stored in a third concealed locked safe.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 09:02 AM

Aww c'mon Musket - what me? Try to make you "look a cunt" - your words Musket - No need Musket you do a good enough job of doing that entirely on your own to need any additional assistance from me.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:30 AM

Gee, Teribus. That's pretty much how I store my guns and ammo and that's how every gunowner I know stores them. When I transport them they are in a secured case and the ammo is kept separate. WHEN I used to hunt I was only allowed in a vehicle if my shotgun was unloaded, broken open, and in a case (my hunting is now confined to lying a lot with other former hunters over coffee). Oh, yeah -- no alcoholic beverages until the guns are unloaded and secured.

Ya know, I thought the Annaheim Foundation (which funds FactCheck) was pretty fact-based because BOTH sides of the political spectrum dislikes it. I guess facts only interfere with our preconceived, television-and-movie-induced, beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:35 AM

Oh Yeah??

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 10:43 AM

Like I said, you sailed into this thread to bring me down to your level, after looking a right cunt in other pro killing people assertions you make in other threads.

Still, a cunt is far more useful than you Terribulus...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 11:52 AM

I don't know whether or not Backwoodsman was smirking when he made that last link. Did anyone else trace that discussion back to the site's home page? If you want really solid facts, go to a discussion thread on an online dating service. : )

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:12 PM

Perhaps 'cocked" might well mean the opposite of what most people say in some circles but to most British usage, cocked means an opened 12 bore with no cartridge up the spout.

When I did my RAF recruit training, (didn't stay long, the apprenticeship like many military ones wasn't recognised elsewhere and once I saw that, I was down the pit within a couple of months.) The 7.62 SLR rifles we trained with had to be "cocked" in, bolt back, when the rock ape shouted 'show me that the rifle is clear."

Now, you also, in certain colloquial circles, cock a pin back to fire the gun.

This is what Terribulus either got confused with or purposely confused to make him or her look good, at my expense.

Find Keith and go and play with his toy soldiers eh? This thread is about a backward country and lawlessness, not our civilised approach to firearms.