BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 18 Dec 14 - 03:37 AM

I've got a 12 string going spare. Sausage fingers force sale. (I used to kid myself but since the old balls dropped and I stopped trying to play Gordon Giltrap songs..)

PM as ever. When Mrs Backwoodsman lets you out to play next in our back yard, I can bring it over.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 05:48 PM

I've replied, Brian! 👍

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 05:11 PM

I've sent you a PM John.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 12:44 PM

I keep turning the idea of a 12-er over in my mind.......almost bought a D12-28 like yours in November at Westside. I went in in the afternoon (viewing the Tower of London Poppies in the morning)......they'd sold it that morning!

Still thinking though...... 😀

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 10:16 AM

How you doing JB? Ready to buy a 12 string yet?

I can see your point here mate, that's perhaps the difference . . .

Anything that's dealt with using discernment, respect and skill is likely to be safer than ignoring those attributes - sadly that's what we tend to see reported from the USA.

On my visits, seeing how glibly and over-confidently some folks seemed to handle loaded weapons was worriesome - I used to go to shooting clubs regularly when I did States trips with Airtours and MyTravel airlines.

Combined with the 'reset' button on a computer game, there is some question that the irresponsible don't realise reality until it's too late. Firing at people is REAL, not a game.

That said, I met some really responsible, friendly and knowledgable shooters and instructors, they would not cause me any grief at all.

Begs the question about the efficacy of Gun Law and how discerning the authorities are.

I can't see there are any winners in this kind of situation, only losers of one degree or another, victims or NoK.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:40 PM

Thanksgiving comes during deer season. I've heard of more than one guy who skips the dinner to go after Bambi. It's legal in the states as long as you have a license and the proper equipment. Hence the gun sale at Wally World for Thanksgiving.

Do I hunt deer? Hell no. I don't like guns and I don't like venison. Do I have a problem with deer hunters? As long as they stay off posted land, and stay sober, no I don't. Deer are beautiful creatures. I know because they like to come into my yard and eat my chrysanthemums. But they are also a prey species and breed like one.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 02:01 PM

Or better still, save your money and put it towards another Martin, Brian. That's what somebody sane would do. Guns are no good to anybody, especially in a civilised country like the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 02:00 PM

Your British snipers, superb. But you're SIS guy's with a handgun, they would do better using it as a club

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 01:55 PM

UK training forget it. Fine for a rifle look into thunder ranch here in the state.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 01:50 PM

Get a glock 23.. 40 cal it is awesome right out of the box no need for trigger jobs

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 12:01 PM

Ah, now I know why. Jeb is thinking about running. No, Jeb, learn to walk first.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:41 AM

Aw, fret not, they'll be doing a special on ammo for the New Year...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Brian May
Date: 16 Dec 14 - 10:33 AM

Wow . . . I'm someone who was trained in UK to handle all sorts of firearms - indeed, qualified to run ranges too. It is most interesting when two cultures collide head on.

On a personal basis, with what's happening in our world, I'd be happier if I had my 9 mm Browning locked in the safe. Or a Glock of course. But then I think I'd be a safe handler and know it's not some form of chest-beating ego trip.

Seems I have missed all the 'fun'.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:56 PM

Gotta think on that good point forgot about the fast ones

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:31 PM

Is that the "fast" or "slow" zombie subspecies, Dan?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:25 PM

They can climb they just choose not to. Now zombies well some day you will thank me for my prep

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 12:11 PM

A picture is worth a thousand prognostications.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 15 Dec 14 - 08:48 AM

"Naaah, Dan - everyone knows Bigfoot can't climb trees!"

What? No link provided to back up your claim? We need proof - not just an "everyone knows" type of quote. Facts. We need facts! Or at least a Wikipedia link we can trust.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 02:47 PM

Lol

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 02:01 PM

Naaah, Dan - everyone knows Bigfoot can't climb trees!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 01:56 PM

Yer all fucked when Bigfoot comes outta the mountains

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:14 AM

Get on out there, guest, & get your tank & bazooka before they're all snatched up! Only a limited time offer. Yee-HAH!!!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:07 AM

Looks like some people see the Constitution as a mutual suicide pact. I don't know that they're loonies, but they sure are fucked up in the head.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 14 - 11:03 AM

More Loonies

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 07 Dec 14 - 03:30 AM

Yes there is under reporting. In pockets by individual forces, and there is over reporting too, getting petty criminals to have crimes taken into consideration to get them off the books.

Violent crime is followed up. There is nothing to report anywhere that isn't down to target chasing. That is slightly different to shooting black men indiscriminately if you are a white cop. The hoo ha when corruption is revealed results in huge name shame and clear out.

Not quite The USA eh?

Oh and not with guns either. We debated for years before letting police have tasers or allow armed police to patrol airports.

No mate. I travel extensively and know parts of your country better than parts of my own. I feel less safe in yours and part of that is allowing people to carry guns. Another part is letting police carry guns. Ours don't. An armed response unit is deployed as needed in a situation. If your bang bang industry folded, we'd have less guns too.

The difference is that over here, the few guns carried in the street are by criminals. Gangs mainly, and then we have less in the whole country than in some of your small towns.

Police target fiddling and the fact it is being addressed has no bearing on this.

Keep banging the rocks together.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 08:48 PM

Quite possibly - and are being held to account, unlike in the US. Cops are human too, and rather too clannish for their own good, so an occasional purge is very necessary.
Our House Committees are starting to use their teeth.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 07:03 PM

Officials from both Scotland Yard and the Metropolitan Police seem to have told MP's that they've been underreporting crime statistics for quite a long time, meaning that murder, violent crime, and such things, are deliberately underreported to make your country look safer than it really is.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 12:01 PM

Funnily enough I know your country rather well. I personally paid $450k in taxes last year so tend to get curious about what my business interests are funding in the three states and federally.

Anything in your link of relevance?

Thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 11:38 AM

Not that we know anymore about what happens in your country than you know about what happens in ours, Musket, but we hear that there is concern at the highest levels over there
that Police have been fiddling with crime statistics to make things look better than they are.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 03:22 AM

I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow this doll up.

Hear about the thousands and thousands of EU citizens each year who have lucky escapes? Something to do with it not being easy for criminals to get their hands on guns coupled with no tradition of doing so.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 02:48 PM

Never had to shoot a bear but came close. I was glad I had the. 44mag with me. Get rid of the gun show loophole and a lot less guns on the street for bad guys. I disagree with you on the 2nd admendment but it is fine we disagree. Law makers can't sort it out. I target shoot about every week because it is fun

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 02:35 PM

I have a target pistol because I enjoy target shooting (which I do at a shooting range). As I said, target shooting can be much like playing golf.

As to the prevalence of guns in the United States, there is not much that can be done about that. Unfortunately, they're already out there, all too often in the hands of a relatively small percentage of paranoid, self-appointed super-patriots who have some half-assed notion that if the U. S. government turns tyrannical, they will man the barricades, overwhelm the government, and "keep America free!!" Fat chance when the government possesses tanks, fighter jets, bombers, nuclear weapons….

The gun nuts make a helluvalot of noise for their numbers, and they are obviously delusional. But short of amending the Constitution (rescind the Second Amendment), we're stuck with it being legal to possess firearms.

The Second Amendment was written for a different time, which no longer pertains.

Target shooting, as I say, I do for sport. The same with fencing. Other that good exercise and general enjoyment, it has no practical value. The days are long gone when gentlemen would settle disputes by meeting at six a.m. in the Bois de Boulogne accompanied by their seconds to engage in an "affair of honor" (try to shish-kabob each other).

With thrust, parry, riposte, and counter-attack, fencing is like a sort of high-speed chess as far as tactics is concerned. Totally impractical, but heaps of fun!

Don Firth

P. S. Heard tell about a thirteen-year-old girl in Alaska who was out berry-picking one day when suddenly this huge Kodiak rears up out of the bushes. She grabbed the .22 pistol she had in her berry basket and shot the thing. It stood there for a moment, then fell over like a tree, dead.

Damned lucky shot. It had it's mouth open, roaring at her, and the .22 bullet went into its soft palette and into its brain!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 01:37 PM

Also wandering around alaska or the Colorado bear country it is good to have one handy whileffishing

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 01:20 PM

No I hunted for 20 years with a handgun and got a nice buck every year

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 03:35 AM

Is Goofus actually as we portray him or are Americans taught that the pilgrim fathers were fleeing persecution?

I live near where two of the big cheeses come from (Brewster and Bradford.) Lots of local history about them. They preached intolerance to anything other than their Puritan stance and were inprisoned for enforcing it before fleeing to Holland. Their "ark" The Mayflower was all about the freedom to persecute and enforce their strict code that would make a monk wince.



Don. If we have burglars, we don't need guns and risking a life in prison because its a million to one the burglars have guns either.

Having pistols seems illogical to me. Hunting rifles I can understand. I pay a man to keep the rabbit population down in my paddocks for instance. But what can you do with pistols? Antique ones in glass cases on display maybe, but live ones?

Someone said they use them to go to a target range and shoot the bad guy targets. Seems similar to having a blow up doll to simulate rape.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 12:52 AM

(But that's his thing....)

Gadzooks! Obviously I've wandered into a convention of diplomats!

Being an American barbarian (of Scottish descent, which makes it even worse), I own a few handguns, one of which is a Smith and Wesson Model 41 target pistol (.22 caliber): CLICKY, which I use for perforating paper targets. The object is to put a clipful of rounds into a dime-sized group—at a distance of 25 yards. I'm quite good at this. Target shooting is much like golf.

I also have a Walther PPK .380 cal., similar to the gun made popular in the James Bond novels and movies (his was the less powerful 7.65 mm. version).

My handguns reside in a locked safe.

Any burglar who tries to break into our apartment would be more likely to encounter one of these sliding through his gizzard: "Have at thee, foul knave!"   I'm quite skilled in the use of these devices and have some trophies and medals to prove it.   

But as a descendant of an expatriate Scot, I should probably use something like this:    "Hoot, mon!!"

Now, play nice, guys. The U. S. and Great Britain were allies during WWI and WWII.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:12 PM

...............we get both in one post.

Hey Goofus, the piece of bullshit about WW2 was answered in full way back up the thread - 27th November, 03:54 PM. It's always a good idea to keep up with things before opening your mouth and putting your foot in it.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:02 PM

Speaking, as we were, of idiots and loonies..........

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:59 PM

Forgot to sign in...the previous post was mine.


Musket: "Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about."

Then...:"The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."
Something to do with the civilised world apparently... "

Then from Wesley: ""Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......"

Then from GUEST#: "FULL CIRCLE"


Well the Pilgrims on the Mayflower were FLEEING Britain, seeking political and religious LIBERTY and FREEDOM!
I guess Britain at least has 'nice manners' while oppressing people!.... Then they can't even defend themselves without the aid of the very people who founded their country, trying to get away from them!!!

Germany had them against the ropes, while exterminating the Jews....and....They still can't get over that Israel whipped them as well!

Such pompous snobs!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:56 PM

Musket: "Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about."

Then...:"The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."
Something to do with the civilised world apparently... "

Then from Wesley: ""Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......"

Then from GUEST#: "FULL CIRCLE"


Well the Pilgrims on the Mayflower were FLEEING Britain, seeking political and religious FREEDOM!
I guess Britain at least has 'nice manners' while oppressing people!.... Then they can't even defend themselves without the aid of the very people who founded their country, trying to get away from them!!!

Germany had them against the ropes, while exterminating the Jews....and....They still can't get over that Israel whipped them as well!

Such pompous snobs!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:38 PM

I don't either.

Funnily enough.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 11:50 AM

Yes I was joking and no I don't leave weapons laying around #@#@#

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 11:45 AM

Oh no I don't! 😄😎

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:38 AM

I have never disagreed with you. You disagree with me!

Not the same thing...

😎

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:04 AM

Wesley, we Brits know that you're on the same page as us (I certainly do after my earlier misunderstanding of your OP, and our subsequent exchange), so why do you object to us telling the idiots and loonies on here what a crock of shit your gun-laws are?

We're BACKING YOU, for fuck's sake!

Musket and I have often disagreed on this forum (even though we get on in the Real World) but I agree with him on here - where a nation's government is failing its citizens (including ours!) it's the right, no it's the DUTY, of citizens and governments of every other nation on Earth To tell it so.

And we're not taking pot-shots at you (pun intended) or any of the other sane contributors on the thread - our comments are aimed at the idiots and loonies who worship their bang-bangs, who try to equate terrorist attacks in the UK with kids shooting their classmates in the US and, when those are shown up as the horseshit they are, start prattling on about zombies.

Chill man!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 10:00 AM

Olddude, please explain to me how the scenario I laid out earlier isn't the only possible result of your desire to have lots of armed citizens in all public places, ready to shoot anyone with a gun. How does one untrained and non-uniformed shooter tell any other untrained and non-uniformed shooter from a crazy person with a gun? What happens to all the other people nearby? How does this situation not open the door for general murder: "He had a gun so I shot him".

I have to conclude that the depth of your thinking on this subject extends to the level of the bumper sticker. That leaves you woefully unprepared to answer the next question that naturally and logically occurs, much less the tenth question down the line. Please think your position all the way through.

I've been trying to be charitable and assume that you were joking up-thread when you said that you have lots of loaded guns laying around your house, but based on other things you've said, I have a horrible suspicion that you weren't. You've just announced an all-you-can-eat buffet for gun thieves every time you leave your house. Are you really too stupid to lock your guns up when you're not using them? Do you really think that anyone can't find out where you live in about half an hour on the web? If your guns get stolen because they are easily accessible, don't you feel responsible for any crimes that get committed with them?

C'mon, defend your position. Be a grown-up and take responsibility for your words and actions. I'd like to see the facts and the logic that support your positions laid out for us so we can have a real debate on the subject. Or, as I said, shut the fuck up.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:38 AM

Wesley, rest easy, anyone reading this thread knows where you stand on the gun laws in the US. Your opening post was clearly made in horror at the situation. The "only in America" made that obvious, along with the general tone. Anyone would have to be reading with odd-colored glasses to get any other meaning from that and from everything you've subsequently said on the subject. My only disagreement with what you've said is when you tell people from other countries to not comment on the extreme lack of civilization in the US. Shall we stop talking to China about civil rights? To North Korea about missiles? To several countries in the Middle East about sexism and religious intolerance?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:09 AM

"Stop defending it then"

Please point out what I'm defending.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:03 AM

Simple, Wesley. Stop defending it then. I shout from the rooftops to listen to other countries and Amnesty International since our government changed the law to allow juries to form an opinion when a defendent has refused to answer questions under caution.

I think it is something The UK should be ashamed of and if your President had the balls to berate us for it, I'd be more than happy.

Still, on balance, our problems versus yours? Still a few stems and branches between us on the evolutionary tree.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 08:51 AM

I thought I'd made my position clear before but it looks like I need to do so at least one more time. MAYBE people will read it this time.

I DON'T support the gun laws in this country. Guns are far too easy to obtain and the fact that ordinary people feel like they need to carry one around with them is just nuts. In my home home state of Georgia you can take your gun to church if you like. That's insane. But just because I don't enjoy the lectures of the bloody British on how "civilized" countries should behave doesn't mean that I think every kid in America should wake up with a shotgun under the tree Christmas morning.

Now I know that what some of you will take away from this post is that I said "I think every kid in America should wake up with a shotgun under the tree Christmas morning." I can't help that. Facts be damned apparently.