BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 04:35 AM

Amen to that, Silas. Thank Dog there's at least one sane American.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Silas
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 03:49 AM

Well said john p. Most sensible post in this thread by far.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 02:59 AM

No, we will point out to them where your defences are vulnerable.

Wesley. The civilised world will always preach to backward nations. At different levels we all do it.

In areas where The USA isn't so bad, you try hard yourselves. Although arming contra Rebels isn't exactly spreading enlightenment. Napalming whole countries wasn't the biggest diplomatic success you've had either.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 12:07 AM

Give all the guns to me and wes. When the zombies attack you will thank us

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 10:45 PM

Sorry, I didn't sign the above post. That was me.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 10:44 PM

Wesley, I'm an American and I think everyone in the world should lecture us about our gun laws. If you think we and our guns aren't a danger to everyone else in the world, you should wake up.

A gun in the home is seven times more likely to be used on a family member or friend than on an intruder. And then there are people like olddude who think breaking and entering should be a capital crime, with himself and judge, jury and executioner. Now THAT'S a person we want having legal access to guns. He's a fucking nut job and any sane person knows it.

Someone said earlier that guns in America are here to stay. Well, that's true as long as so many people shrug and say, Oh well, that's how it is.

Anyone who is a member of the NRA is personally responsible for lots of murders, since the NRA is one of the biggest things keeping us from acting like sane adults. If any gun control law would have ever saved one life but wasn't enacted, all NRA members are guilty.

And I don't want to hear the bullshit about criminals not obeying gun laws. So fucking what? What if guns were so illegal that people would cross the street to avoid walking past one? Someone has to start somewhere getting rid of the guns so the criminals won't have access to them. Doh! No guns, no gun deaths. Look at the chart that was posted earlier. We're killing people in job lots.

Since 9/11, which killed about 5000 people, the USA has spent 600 billion dollars fighting terrorism. During that time something like 300,000 Americans have been gunned down. I don't want your "Oh well", and I don't want you "no responsible gun owner does this or that". Prove it. Prove to me that NO gun owner leaves guns laying around. Prove to me thst NO guns are sold to criminals or crazy people. Prove to me that NO gun owners allows their children to have access to guns. Prove it or shut the fuck up.

Guess what? I'm really angry. I'm angry that I have to worry about saying something to the guy that cuts in front of me in the grocery line because he may well have a gun in his pocket. I'm angry that there are people in the mall, in the park, in the library, on the bus with guns and that the gun nuts can't prove to me that they are all well-trained, responsible, sane gun owners.

"If there were more people with guns, someone shooting in a mall would get dropped before he had a chance to kill very many people". What a stupid crock of shit. Here's the result of that scenario: Bystander 1 sees a crazy person pull a gun. He pulls his and fires at the crazy person. Bystander 2 sees Bystander 1 pull out a gun, pulls out his and fires. Bystander 3 sees a bunch of people with guns and jumps to the conclusion that they are all crazy people and starts firing at random. NONE of these people have every had a background check, any gun training, any safety training, nothing. They just went down to the store and bought a gun, no questions asked, no rules about it at all.

Olddude, this is what you promote -- lots of people with guns everywhere. Please explain to me how the above scenario isn't the sure result of an armed populace.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 09:59 PM

What it boils down to is that I don't give a flip what the English have to say about our gun laws. By the same token the English shouldn't care about my opinions of their Monarchy. But the British attempting to lecture us about guns and their usage - in our country - is something out of a Monty Python routine. They lost that right at Yorktown in 1781.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 04:10 PM

It's all but 10 years since the Provisionals laid down their arms, 16 since the Good Friday Agreement and forty since the days when the population was targetted. So your still dig up the past to prove your point, whereas your own police are targetting the public, it rather seems, today.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:36 PM

Naw I stay away from other countries mess had enough of cleaning up my own country political sewage

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:09 PM

Army tanks to keep a track of land smaller thanmy town. How vvery British of you

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 03:08 PM

Dear Oldude,

Your NORAID donation is now due.

Thank you for your continued support.

Yours

An Irish version of those who gave you 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 02:59 PM

Yeah that six year old your soldier shot was real scary. A Country that uses army tanks and heavy machine guns against its own people real civilized. I will take my wild west thank you

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 02:04 PM

"Oh you mean way back like shooting people in North Ireland"

"Criminals like those women and kids that were shot down"

You mean the ones that were shot by terrorists, many of those terrorists using guns paid for by donations from loony Americans who thought they were being really, really clever giving money to romantic 'Freedom-Fighters'? Donations that miraculously dried up when a few Arab civilians showed you what it's like when those romantic 'Freedom-Fighters' bring their romantic 'Fight for Freedom' to your own door by trashing your national pride and joy, the World Trade Centre, and your entire military organisation (backed-up, of course, by your 'well-drilled militia', armed to the teeth with their hunting bang-bangs and hand-bang-bangs) could do nothing about it?

I hope you'll bear with me while I giggle at your lack of understanding about what goes on in the 90% of the world that isn't the Good Ole US of A.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:39 PM

Amen gnu

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: gnu
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:35 PM

Indeed it is best to have an unarmed populace. Much easier to control should the peasants be revolting.

Having said that, it would appear the some feel NA peasants are far more revolting than their own. As for the "gun culture" in the USA, I find it odd that some people simply do not understand that it is required to assist in enlisting young people as mercenaries so that future enslavement of peoples foreign and domestic may be easily accomplished. Should some of the above posters find this abhorrent, as indicated by their posts, allow me to remind same that the US military might is flexed, in part, by the English Crown. You really don't think the US fucked up Libya and others for *ONLY* US oil interests, do you? Surely it was also for BP, Shell, et al? No?

In any case, guns are good and SOME people are bad. Worse are those that think war is okay if it keeps them comfy and all they have to carp about is the "gun culture" of another country located thousands of miles away... the one that keeps them comfy by the barrel of a gun.

Anybody that wants the "gun culture" to go away should focus on the causes of it and not the symptoms.

Good gun laws are good... bad gun laws are very, very, very bad.

Adieu.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:26 PM

Criminals like those women and little kids that were shot down

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 01:21 PM

Strange.. Since the armed criminals all had their guns destroyed, they have stopped shooting each other in Northern Ireland.

I wonder how that might work in The USA where people shoot each other every day?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 12:23 PM

Oh you mean way back like shooting people in North Ireland

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 05:25 AM

Funny how the Americans on this thread have to go back in time to have a pop at the British but the British can use today as an example.

The whole idea of indoctrinating children into keeping gun manufacturers in business for the future is one hell of a stain on the patchwork quilt we call USA.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:40 PM

Good points, Big Al W-Canada and a few others are far ahead of both the UK and US of A when it comes to accepting equal rights of gays and most minorities. One rarely hears of the type of discrimination discussions promoted by the few posting "throw-backs" on Mudcat.

(But, yes, Canada needs a swift kick ahead when it comes to the social acceptance of Aboriginal peoples).

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:25 PM

FULL CIRCLE

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:09 PM

"Something to do with the civilized world apparently..."

Yes because - over history England has always been a shining example of how to treat our fellow man. Which is why we uncivilized Americans always look to the UK for inspiration......

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:38 PM

The website of the first one says "we are unable to ship guns outside of The USA."

Something to do with the civilised world apparently...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 11:46 AM

Or have we misunderstood what the OP meant by a Thanksgiving Gun?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 11:01 AM

Uncle buds. Com had a great sale on glocks I almost bought another 40 cal

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:59 AM

Insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:51 AM

Don't forget these books for the little ones!!

Includes "Little Jake and the three bears"

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 08:47 AM

My First Rifle

"Quality firearms for America's youth"

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:52 AM

Naw, it's all gun related one way or another. It's just our two different countries and how we approach guns.

Here in The UK we have to talk about the military because they have them and in The USA they talk about children because they seem to be able to have them.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 09:15 PM

Yowza, how far astray we have gone!

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 04:19 PM

What happened is that when I started, it was your kind of soldiering, Ruperts and Ranks. When I finished, the Red Fog of War doctrine was everywhere, aftermath of NI, and when I came back again ten years later, it was well entrenched: you were starting to get Platoons given to Sergeants, and that's now common. You were in an unusual unit and given more initiative than most at the time, in the line units the move went from ORs who only ever did as they were told to ORs who had to think, which was tough on the middle ranks, the Corporals who'd only got there because of LSGC (yes, I know, undetected crime), their cards were marked before they'd get to retirement. These days, you've got a criminal record, you won't even get into the TA, because basic ethics are a must: in the 60s, you talked ethics and you'd get some funny looks from those who didn't think it was the fun place sahf of Suffuck.
The worst offenders, of course, went to Toulouse, where they had a complete identity change. The funniest one of those I ever came across was Colonel Bastard of the French Foreign Legion, who'd made it to a Staff Grade. From his accent he was originally a Jock...

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:05 PM

Look, any chance of you taking one of your tablets and resting for a while? Its becoming evident in your posts, not that I bothered reading half of the last couple.

You even had me quoting Akenaton at you, and that for me is something that with 20/20 hindsight I shouldn't have done. After all, you are just a pedantic old sod who can't understand beyond the literal, like your mate Keith sometimes portrays, but Akenaton having you weighed up?

Fascinating....

(By the way, I did note your endorsement of me as Prime Minister, thanks. It wasn't an electrical empire by the way, it was an engineering concern that made products for a particular task, some electrical, some pneumatic, some hydraulic.

I am relieved to see that you can't stand me and think I am a complete and utter idiot. Clapton forbid that my comments could be misconstrued and fools such as you thought I was a nice chap. if you met me in business, I'd be your worst fucking nightmare me old love.)

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 09:50 AM

From GUEST, Rahere – We get rifles; Queen Anne Salutes; Zen and the art of the Combat Rifleman – Ho Hum. All the rifle spinning, bullshit is all very well and looks good in a "mickey-mouse" American Marching Band Street Parade sort of way but it is of absolutely no practical use whatsoever – mind you as the Queen Anne they are going on about was most likely the Austrian one no wonder we never got involved with such bullshit. It does however look as though it would come in handy during basic training once you'd got to a certain standard that your D.I., would introduce it to relieve the boredom, (During my basic training they did that by letting every man in the squad "invent" a drill movement on the spur of the moment which he then had to "teach" the squad - lesson: Exercise in thinking on your feet - formulating commands - practice in giving orders and instructing).

As Musket, or Muskets, was addressing the transport and storage of guns then there was absolutely nothing wrong with Charmion's recollection – nothing whatsoever to do with, or about, carrying a gun in a hostile environment where you may have to carry it ready for immediate use.

"The thing about Teribus is that he's becoming an old man and it hurts him, he wants the world as it was and cannot bear the reality that it is as it is, he's in denial. "

Hey listen up "pal", what this "becoming" shit?? I am an old man – nothing at all wrong with that, on the contrary I am quite proud of it, considering the life I've led - and for your information I am in denial about S.F.A.

I would love to hear what this great change was that occurred in those ten years Rahere (I think that they exist mainly inside your own over active imagination) and I have not got the foggiest clue what your link is between patriotism and hierarchy.

As for politicians now being servants of the electorate? Well that is just simply laughable given the attitude and performance of the "professional politicians" who have been in charge of our country for the past couple of decades. Way back in the early to middle part of the 19th century leaders and leading members of political parties actually forced elections that they knew would turn their parties out of office in order that the matter could be put before the electorate if they thought their parties policies would hurt the interests of the Nation as a whole – Fat chance of any of the chancers currently in Westminster ever doing that today. And come to think of it there are far, far fewer people living in the United Kingdom today that have any concept of the United Kingdom being a whole Nation than there ever was in the late 18th century.

Oddly enough the bit I thought that was important in the Andrew Mitchell thing was the fact that it transpired that the police report in their official log was basically a concoction of lies contradicted by CCTV evidence and that an e-mail "eye-witness" account corroborating the concocted police version of the incident by a member of the public to his MP turned out to an e-mail sent in by an off-duty police officer who was not present at the incident – And the Police, the Police Commissioner and the Police Federation ALL thought that they could get away "Scot-Free" with that shit. And even when it was "investigated" and Mr Mitchell was accused by the Police of not co-operating with the West Midlands Police even that was proven to have been bullshit when the recorded interviews were transcribed.

"I've just been playing with Audacity on his {Ed milliband's presumably} voice, the Normalised setting reduces the nasal sneer and puts tonal warmth in which isn't there. It's subtle, and what I get at the end is still very recognisable. It irons out some of the high-frequency overtones, but I don't think he can do that himself."

If that is your idea of entertainment then you really should get a life.

Professional politicians in the UK have destroyed the faith of the electorate in all of the mainstream political parties – too many promises made, too many promises broken. David Cameron can guarantee to deliver a referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the EU until he is "blue-in-the-face" there is not a single voter in the United Kingdom will believe him – because he promised that before and failed to deliver. Anyone who is even toying with voting Labour after what resulted from their power trip between 1997 and 2010 basically need to be committed, the Labour Governments of Blair and Brown are the ones who dumped the country in the shit and Labour supporters up and down the country should never ever be allowed to forget that.

We do not want professional politicians we want people who have at least earned a living and held down an actual job – sorry but working full time within the organization of a political party does not qualify. Someone like the Musket who managed to escape the thralldom of the pit to build his electrical goods empire, expand it world-wide thereby bringing work to the masses across five continents - even HE would be preferable to the complete and utter wankers in Parliament today. I mean he's already half-way to being a politician for me - I already can't stand the prat and think that he is a complete and utter idiot.

Frank Field – Too old

David Davies – Too young (Or did you actually mean David Davis perhaps? If so Too Old again)

Of course "Teribus is from the past" and you, you pillock, are also from that same past minus ten years. And just like you, you pillock, "Teribus is living in the present" just as you are – although it would appear that "Teribus is living in the present" a damned sight more contentedly than you are.

SNP holding the balance of power? Highly unlikely, the more they promote division in Scotland the greater will be the resistance against them. The referendum in Scotland showed clearly that the consensus in Scotland is that the UK should remain as a Union. The two year run up to that referendum opened up some extremely painful divisions and any political party that seeks a repeat performance of those last two years will be punished for it at the polls in 2015 (Westminster Elections) and again in 2016 (Holyrood elections)

"Black Friday riots??" Pray tell us what entitlements were being "fought for"? All I saw were some extremely unattractive "couch potato" types voluntarily partaking in scenes that would have disgusted the inhabitants of a piggery. Mind you it is probably the only exercise they get all year. Precisely why we have to emulate and instantly adopt every bloody silly marketing and consumer sales idea that we see broadcast from the USA I have no clue whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:01 AM

Excellent!

I leave you in the incapable hands of Akenaton;

Just survived, (by the skin of my teeth),a small altercation with Teribus over debating styles,see (Blair on Channel 4).It has got me thinkin.
Teribus carries about his person,a large book of facts, which he uses to batter people into submission. Im sure most of you have suffered this unpleasant experience at some time or other.
Teribus believes that this book can cause him to win any argument, on any subject large or small. I on the other hand believe that these "facts" or statistics (grain quotas, unemployment figures,infant mortality rates ,(it goes on ad nauseum)have almost always been engineered by politicians of all persuasions, to shine as good a light as possible on their devious shenanigans.so when I write here I like to think for myself and let my own opinions come through, no matter how stupid they may seem to others.
I have always admired the effort and time which Teribus expends on creating his diatribes, even if they may be a bit pedantic at times.
Teribus of course thinks me a wooly minded wanker,butis not completely correct in that assumption,as I only become "Wooly minded" in the Scottish Blackface sheep shagging season....Any facts/opinions on debating styles would be very welcome....Ake
PS..funnily enough,Teribus is one of the strongest supporters of a war that was based on no facts at all,and entirely on the opinions of cretins...Ake

There. Never let it be said I never heed the words of the Strathlachlan Troll.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 07:39 AM

Waffling again Musket, or is it Muskets:

First you are talking about target or clay pigeon shooters - then onto bolt action hunting rifles - and now you are talking about your vast experience with a semi-automatic assault rifle.

Shotguns of which there are a vast array of makes and models. But we will take three basic ones:

Break Action (Can be side-by-side or over-and-under) to load you must break the gun open, load two cartridges and in closing the gun you automatically make it ready to fire.

Hammer Lock Either single barrel or side-by-side this gun too breaks as for the Break action type but with this gun after loading and snapping the barrels back into the closed position to make the gun ready for firing you have to "cock" the gun by pulling the hammer or hammers back

Pump Action single barrel with a three or five round magazine the gun is loaded by loading the magazine then pulling the slide back (loads the gun) then pushes the slide forwards ("cocks" the gun)

Now ask all three owners of these types of weapon to "cock" their guns and they will do three completely different things. Of the three types of shotgun you can always instantly tell when a Break Action or a Hammer Lock Shotgun are "safe" - Without close examination of a pump action shotgun it is impossible to tell if it is "safe".

Now then Muskets your tale of the 7.62mm SLR and "Your Rock Ape" (RAF Regiment - Drill Sergeant no doubt). The SLR was a semi-automatic weapon on returning from anywhere where you have had a magazine attached to the weapon every man will individually be asked the "Prove" his weapon safe:

1: Magazine off the weapon
2: Pull working parts to the rear to cock the weapon
3: D.I. may physically check the chamber by sight and by feel to ensure that the chamber is empty (returning to an armoury after a ceremonial parade or after drill)
4: The rifle is then pointed muzzle down into a sand pit or barrel and the trigger is pulled bring the working parts forward - the gun should just go click as it has just been "proven" safe - If it goes bang then you are deeply in the shit (hostile or active service returning to base after a patrol)
5: Enter base keeping the weapon with you if on active service or if not return the gun to the armoury where it is stored in an unloaded safe condition with the working parts forward i.e. "uncocked".

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 06:50 AM

On the same circuit, they then come over to Epworth to see the home of The Wesleys and methodism. Did you know, according to my neighbour, (unconfirmed) the tills at The Red Lion have exchange rates updated in them and they will accept Dollars but give change in Sterling.

What with Pilgrim Fathers, methodism & Wesleys and with Bawtry having something to do with pentecostal holy rollers, our neck of the woods is stuffed with religious heritage, yet churches close through lack of interest at such a rate around here.. When we bought our present house, the number of church and chapel conversions was huge, although none took our eye.

See? You can have the bible without the gun after all? Not many over here have the bible either for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 03:36 AM

Yep, sure is. Nice pub. Mind you, it's difficult to find a table in there because of all the bloody Yank Pilgrims paying homage to their forefathers and proper beer.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:58 AM

In our school, and bearing in mind a couple of the head Pilgrim Fathers come from nearby villages, we were taught, in so many words;

Americans celebrate the freedom to religiously persecute others without interference, as this was what The Mayflower was all about.

Mind you, when in prison in Boston (Lincolnshire UK) Brewster wrote a letter to someone saying people should have faith in armies to protect them and shun weapons. A copy is on the wall of The Pilgrim Fathers pub in Scrooby.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:19 AM

Hey....on Thanksgiving Day, who do we thank...and for what??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:31 PM

Charmion
When I was a young soldier, back in the dawn of time, weapons were carried with the action forward and the safety latch in the On position. Sort of the opposite of "cocked"."
The meaning of "cocked" is true for both senses: in a shotgun, it's broken so it's visibly unloaded, in any other weapon it's got the hammer/firing pin back, and in principle with one up the spout. It can be cocked with safety on, and cocked with safety off.
Your young soldier wasn't fully trained, and clearly never was in a position where you were realistically expecting to need to use your weapon instantly. Teribus, I think, has been, and probably OldDude, and I, once. Your weapons-handling if you're noduff in it is a tad different, and not what's taught in Basic. We'd do that moving up, but after the start line there's another and better way. It's knowing your weapon backwards, so you can do a Queen Anne's Salute because you know in your sleep the exact spot that weapon's going to spin around - and with mine, it was a tad different because I use a long stock. It's a pretty twiddle, but it's not the prettiness which is at question: it's the control, spinning a rifle with a bayonet on the end and never losing control of it even though you're not holdng it. What surprised me is it doesn't leave you: twenty-five years after I last handled one weapon, my boss, a Belgian Colonel, unexpectedly chucked one at me, I caught it at the centre of balance instinctively and continued the movement to clear it, without thinking. For that second, it was me and I was it. Zen and the art of the Combat Rifleman.
The thing about Teribus is that he's becoming an old man and it hurts him, he wants the world as it was and cannot bear the reality that it is as it is, he's in denial. He's now 70 near enough, and those days are a fond memory. I'm ten years younger, and there was a huge change in between, which he can see has caught up and he hates it. It doesn't mean we're more or less patriotic than him, it's that our image of Patria is not so focused on a heirarchy. We see the Nation as a whole, where the politicians are the servants of the electorate and not its masters, however much they might think they are. That's what just happened to Andrew Mitchell and David Mellor, they got it wrong. It's also what's just happened to Ed Miliband, crowing over them without realising that because he's putting himself in a position over them, he's putting himself in a position over their victims. That damned Lord Snooty Primrose Hill sneering accent of his doesn't help, but it's what's beneath the hood people pick up on. Maggie dropped her voice an octave, but it's too late for Ed to do the same: I've just been playing with Audacity on his voice, the Normalised setting reduces the nasal sneer and puts tonal warmth in which isn't there. It's subtle, and what I get at the end is still very recognisable. It irons out some of the high-frequency overtones, but I don't think he can do that himself.
It's why Frank Field is being pushed: he's a mensch, someone who can out-Farrage Farrage. The closest equivalent in the modern Tory Party would be David Davies. Real people who can ask the population to follow them. Technocracy should be its servant, in the Tory Party it's become master. You cannot drive all the time, sometimes you must give, and not when the population can see the bribe. The Labour problem is that all it can do is give, and so we're in a position of not having a coherent ground which shares the pot wisely.
Another viewpoint is that might is authority: this is why the Iron Kitten is the most likely heir to DC. But that kind of power remains subject to a plebiscite, for all that they had an interesting little experiment in fiving the mandate at five years. A plebiscite, it's where Mitchell got it wrong: the plebs are who he works for.

And just as Teribus is from the past, so is the current Parliamentary system: Tory vs Labour. Are we going to be happy with the SNP holding the balance of power? The funny thing in such a scenario is that they must be their own worst enemies, holding power only by denying themselves their deepest wish. A Pyrrhic Victory indeed, worthy only of a Scottish masochist.

Another interesting view on today's news is the Black Friday riots. It would seem that the population is prepared to fight for its entitlements, right or wrong. This could be a very interesting six months.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 06:26 PM

Dang if that Bigfoot gonna bother any dead Monkey with a tommy gun

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:50 PM

LOL! 😄

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:44 PM

That rumor keeps goin' around, doesn't it? Alls I can say is, I'm feelin' just fine here. I been cleanin' and oilin' the tommy gun all afternoon. Still works great after all these years.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:39 PM

Thought you were dead, Chongo?

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:25 PM

Yer ALL wrong. Congratulations! :D It makes us apes and monkeys look so good in comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:13 PM

Presumably the gun powder is soggy now then, if the thaw has started.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: olddude
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:01 PM

Rap mine are always fully loaded all over the house. I am waiting on the zombies to take over. I am ready. I sleep with a fully loaded. 45 cause of that Bigfoot encounter i told ya about. Oh foolish people someday you will thank me

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Musket
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 03:54 PM

Sorry, you have to see where others and I have been questioning some of the disturbing militaristic views of Terribulus on other threads to see why he is finding other threads and trying to make me look a cunt, managing the opposite in the process.

To me, normal people don't know the ins and outs of shooting guns any more than we know the ins and outs of any other activity that society shuns.

We just know they shouldn't be worn as jewelry and should never be used for civilian self defence.

There again, civilised country, you see.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:53 PM

I also blinked at seeing the word "cocked", then realized that it was simply a different colloquial usage. To me, anyone who couldn't tell that from the context has either a reading comprehension problem or an overpowering compulsion to raise a stink.

Subject: RE: BS: A Thanksgiving Day gun sale
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 12:49 PM

Frogprince, nothing to smirk about when a loony gun-nut tries to 'prove' he's not a loony by linking to a site that, on the face of it, confirms his loony delusions. I merely found another site that said his site is a POS.

Just showing how easy it is for anyone to trawl the Internet and come up with a site that says whatever they want it to. Doesn't mean it's right though.